Engine OS 4.0 First Look - Standalone, Refined? | Beatsource Tech
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- čas přidán 11. 06. 2024
- The 4.0 release of Engine OS is here, and it brings with it an overhaul to much of the user interface, including a unique new view manager feature, offering customisation potential never seen on standalone DJ hardware before. There are a bunch of other small improvements, too, and the usual bug fixes, so if you’re a user of the Engine OS hardware from Denon DJ or Numark, you’ll definitely want to check this version out.
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Denon pushing the tech limits! Thank you for being the PIONEER on this
Engine 4.0 is a great update. However, I still miss being able to give or withdraw a star rating "on the flight". I can do that on the PC version, but I would greatly appreciate it if this function could also be entered on the Denon Prime 4.
I can't wait to update my decks. Also nice D&B and Jungle playlists
Mojaxx is a junglist fr fr
4.0.0. is a nice update I also noticed that downloading the firmware on the prime 4 was much faster than normal just after the update came out. The screens have become nice looks really professional now and all works good. Denon has again shown that we keep going up in ease of use. Still waiting for the AI version where the human no longer turns the decks 😉
Looks great. Glad to see them keep working on it.
Its kind of amazing what you get with the prime 4+ for the price of a pioneer flx10 midi controller.
My first impression on Denon DJ SC Live: pretty good! 🌈
The 2/4 Decks & 2/4 Waveforms is exactly what I needed. Now... if they would only add a Favorite FX list.
Had my SC5000s for 5 years now and really enjoying them more than ever. This new update is great and the eject button is exactly what's needed, especially when they crash
Troubling changes:
Changed how layer B is disabled or hidden on the Prime player separates, and Shift + Layer now randomly changes the layout.
Dropped the active layer’s whole static waveform needle drop always being at the bottom.
Removed from the ‘standard single deck view’ the above deemphasized background whole static waveform when the other layer has something loaded.
Removed whole static waveforms at the bottom of the screen when browsing the library.
Key change stuff is much smaller and in a different location that obscures useful information and needle drop. I prefer the old position than the new.
The on-screen performance / HUD track & deck info & controls now completely disappear when a track is downloading or loading.
Other suggestions:
An option to automatically swap the stacked waveforms when changing the layer might mitigate some of the former issues, though I think just showing the other layer’s whole static waveform deemphasized worked better on the player separates.
Your load boxes still don’t swap.
I suggest if you’re going to stick with this change of how layer B is disabled, you instead have Layer + Shift toggle predictably between your three layout View 1,2,3 choices. Right now, it just weirdly changes your current view and doesn’t even toggle back to what you had.
We still can’t change layer by any way on screen. If your Layer button goes out, that’s a problem. And before someone suggests that’s the case for Play & Cue, there’s already redundancies for starting, stopping, and setting cues.
When layers aren’t deactivated, ability to change layer by:
In Dual Deck Performance / HUD View: tapping the moving waveform.
In Single Deck Performance / HUD View: tapping the deemphasized background layer’s whole static waveform. Obviously tapping the foreground current layer’s whole static waveform would either do a needle drop if that’s allowed or do nothing.
In Browser View: tapping the bottom mini whole static waveform for the respective layer.
Screen usage is poor in vertical moving waveform mode unless the Performance Library is active.
Even single deck and horizontal moving waveform view, if you can tolerate the moving waveform at the bottom instead of the needle drop, has gaps above & below that seem odd aren’t being used to show the background layer’s whole static waveform somewhere.
For the Prime player separates, I’m not a fan of the two stacks of four on-screen hot cue representations per layer when in side-by-side view modes. I think eight smaller in a row better matches the physical buttons.
Side-by-side horizontal moving waveforms would be a nice option for the dual view mode.
Obviously ditto with more customization as previously mentioned elsewhere.
The good and bad:
I’m sure the all-in-one standalone console users will be happy and probably owners of the LC6000, too, but this is partly a step backwards in many ways for owners of just the player separates… especially if they’re using layers. You haven’t just added capability and options but removed quite a bit, too.
I will stick to 3.4.0 until at least some of the above is sufficiently resolved.
I forgot why but I always wanted to eject a track. So I'll figure out why soon enough again
Can we please get beat jump on the mixstream pro series
hmm, any news on the bluetooth out implementation that was "coming soon" after the 3.4 update unlocked bluetooth in for select devices?
been holding off on deciding between a prime go with bluetooth monitors and a sc live 4 with it's built in ones ever since they announced it
Solid upgrade … now serato integration on par with virtual dj please
I wish they would listen to the users and give us the option for RGB waveforms.
Why oh why is this so hard to implement????
Probably just a Denon signature look
Because the waveform is not constructed in such a way to change it. Imagine the current waveform as a drawing that scrolls across the screen. To have RGB would require the player to process and store a whole seperate drawn waveform.
Now scale that up for however many tracks you have.
It would fill your hard drive in no time and slow the units down considerably.
@@Fran-or3lt Pioneer does it with their plays on usb sticks! Surely denon can do it on a HDD with a lot more capacity.
@@Marcos503-AU Not strictly accurate. Rekordbox does it on a computer with better chipsets, more Ram and better processing speed. At most people will save a few hundred tracks to USB, all the CDJ does is read the USB, it doesnt have to process anything.
The thing with Denon players is theyre marketed as stand alone players, that means they have to process and store everything onboard, if you think Denon have put Intel Core I9 chips and 16gb of Ram inside the units then your wrong. Think about it logically, its the reason why STEMS are so bad on all players, and if denon does it to Prime 4 and not to SC6000 then customers will be complaining theyre flagship player isnt as good as a cheaper all in one.
Its probably possible to do it but a marketing nightmare.
Sensational update for SC6000/5000. Edit: dual waveform is only for the dual layer on one player. Ripped off.
When are they going to do it?? Or is it even possible?
I actually now own an engine device. Time to upgrade I guess
See the changes 👍
dig it. dig easily being able to load samples. can't figure out how to switch the clock to 24/hr but i'll take another look. i'm just glad that denon keeps at it & not "giving up" to pioneer.
could be wrong, but i'm sure the standalone & controller sales have helped their bottom line (i use their players) & i'm most impressed with the sc5000s still getting these updates. that's one area i expected to get screwed, but constantly impressed.
i can't use stems anyways on the the 5000, but hope they get them for the sake of continued popularity.
Denon, Stems + BT please!
Buzzing just noticed now and came to see whats happening.
Quality of life improvements are great an all, but id prefer some quality control on the actual units themselves.
Nice update, but the sc6000's still sound harsh to me! Robotic digital artifacts especially when performing slow scratching movements.
А модель sc 6000 m для скрейча лучьше.
This update killed my Wifi. When I try to connect, it turn Wi-Fi off on the player. When I factory reset and tried my phone-network it works fine! As soon as I login on my local network it turn it off and grey it out🙈
Seeing that denon tech support no longer responds to inquiries, can someone here tell me how to export history files? The format saves as a excel file format for some reason. Thanks
Where did you get this blue skin for you numark midstream?
12inchskins it's on the skin itself lol
They need to add the save q points on those streaming services.
You can save them if you have a drive connected
An u record on the player yet ?
You can on the Prime4, direct to the SSD drive.
Will we see denon hardware in more booths? or will Alpha theta continue to dominate
No, their market will be more DJs who take their own gear, or mobile DJs.
Nope. The worst quality outdated gear gets put front and center because of massive marketing and massive paid sponsorships to use Alphatheta equipment.
Ministry of Sound in London has them
@@dj_paultuk7052 they’re an outlier though aren’t they, let’s be honest.
Wouldn't hold your breath for stems in standalone mode,,,,
Akai MPC is only on desktop software and has indicated it won't be enough power in the MPC to be used in standalone>>
So don't see them coming to the Denon SC range anytime soon>
Denon / InMusic will have to buy DJay first I think....
Why haven't they updated the software on the computer? It's super dated and featureless.
Amazing hardware and Software
The problem is that Pioneer is in 98% of clubs, venues and festivals.
In order to this at a professional level I am starting to go towards Pioneer more
If you can DJ on one device you can DJ on them all, the buttons are largely in the same place.
This ‘but pioneer is in clubs’ argument is beyond tired now. I managed to be resident in a bar with CDJ2000s for over 9yrs without owning a pair.
@@djstuc what this ^ gentleman just said. If you're a real "pro" the brand doesn't matter. Choose your tool.
I make USB in rekordbox still despite having a Denon player at home. The denon player can use the rekordbox USB just fine and when I go out I can use the rekordbox USB on all the pioneer stuff.
I'm not going to gimp myself at home because of what is 'club standard'
thirding that. i have denons at home & playing on cdjs out is no problem at all.
@@djstuc100 percent - a DJ is a DJ regardless of the gear.
Pioneer shares must surely be worthless at this point 😂
It's a good update but this thing with the stems is bullshit. We are promised stems I spent all this money on a Prime 4 plus to get stems and all I have is this crappy beta that hasn't been updated in like 10 months. It's a total scam
The computing power of an embedded device is not enough to make good stems. I am afraid that will not change.
@@martinaupperle220so then they should give an option to preprocess tracks on engine desktop
@@martinaupperle220no reason they couldn't have engine desktop preprocess stems
@@LuisMontes indeed, yes. But this is solvable and will sure come in one of the next updates of desktop software. Most people complain about bad quality of on-device stem separation. And that is unsolvable with todays hardware.
@@martinaupperle220 agreed it's solvable. Plenty of high quality open source stems ai models that run great on desktop hardware. The embedded hardware on things like the prime go is several years old now, and this stuff probably wasn't in consideration back then. Doubt any of them have great GPUs on board.