East Indian Rosewood and Mahogany guitars compared - Collings

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  • čas přidán 27. 08. 2024
  • My thanks to Kevin Severson for requesting this comparison.
    I'm comparing two Collings 12 fret dreadnought guitars both over 12 years old and of not dissimilar age and usage.
    Both have sitka tops but the difference is in the tonewood of the back and sides, with the model DS1 having Honduras Mahogany, and the DS2h having East Indian Rosewood
    These models are in the image of the "original" Martin dreadnought i,e, pre 1934. The advantages are the wider fretboard (1 & 13/16" nut width & 2 & 3/8" string spacing, and the more central bridge placement in the lower bout, compared to the later 14 fret design.
    Someone once said that a chord played on a rosewood backed guitar sounds more like a chord whereas the chord played on a Mahogany backed guitar sounds more like 6 separate notes.
    What do you think? Your comments and queries are always welcomed and responded to if I can.

Komentáře • 144

  • @gibbonsdav
    @gibbonsdav Před 2 lety +2

    These videos are great. I appreciate you sharing all your thoughts about some of the nuances I hadn't really thought of before!

  • @allan1302
    @allan1302 Před 4 lety +4

    I love the sound of both. What an honor to have such wonderful instruments. Like picking a favorite child, I just can't do it. Love each of them for what they are.
    Thanks for putting this video together.

    • @SillyMoustache
      @SillyMoustache  Před 4 lety +3

      Yes, it is like picking a favourite child - well put! Each has its unique qualities. Thanks for watching.

  • @haroldclark1787
    @haroldclark1787 Před 4 lety +4

    This is splendid! You are a true talent with a discerning ear and a wonderful command of the instrument. I enjoyed this immensely, as I do your cogent and exceedingly helpful contributions to the Acoustic Guitar Forum. Keep up the stellar work!

    • @SillyMoustache
      @SillyMoustache  Před 4 lety

      Hi Harold, what a delightfully flattering summation of my humble video. Thank you! I do my best to provide information when asked and so I'm always interested in comments and questions. Thanks for watching.

  • @sc5759
    @sc5759 Před 4 lety +3

    I took possession of my “new” 97 DS2H yesterday. I will show it to you during our Zoom lesson on Saturday. The guy ended up being a lousy photographer and the issues we spoke about on the headstock were just smudges that cleaned right off. The guitar is in amazing shape for being 23 years old and it sounds great. I’ll drop it by my luthier’s shop for a once over after our lesson but I can’t find any issues with the guitar at all. Just a phenomenal Collings that I can’t wait to put some playing time on. A true work of art in my opinion. Thanks for all your help with the purchase Andy. Your input really assisted me when I was dealing with the seller in Los Angeles.

    • @SillyMoustache
      @SillyMoustache  Před 4 lety +2

      Hi Shawn, I'm really happy for you! Now we need to have a grown up talk about GAS (LOL)

  • @arctichare8185
    @arctichare8185 Před 3 lety +3

    Thank you very much for this video, and for every video that you share with us. If I had my druthers it would be mahogany, although I also like the rosewood a lot. I also have a maple guitar that I like a lot, as well as a carbon fibre guitar that I also like-but more for utilitarian reasons. One regret that I have is having sold a Martin D-18. It was a case of, I didn't realize what I had until it was gone. Reflecting now, I think that I had taken that D-18 for granted even though it was the guitar I played more often and, in fact, I reached a plateau with my guitar playing. I must have "blamed" it on my plain old "boring" D-18 and someone ended up getting a very very good deal from me.

    • @SillyMoustache
      @SillyMoustache  Před 3 lety

      Hi, I suspect that most of us have parted with perfectly good guitars for the wrong reasons, and sometimes when circumstances required it. Probably best to consider it an object lesson and learn from the experience.

  • @kathie8842
    @kathie8842 Před 4 lety +3

    Hello! THANK YOU for sharing this video! BOTH guitars are lovely, but ... the ROSEWOOD one just is a balm to listen to. Totally enjoyed both of them, so beautiful in looks and sound.

    • @SillyMoustache
      @SillyMoustache  Před 4 lety +2

      Hi Katherine, so nice to know I'm not always talking to other old men! I'm so glad that you enjoyed my video. Please have a look at some of my other ones. Thanks for watching.

  • @peterpulpitpounder
    @peterpulpitpounder Před 4 lety +3

    In the "masters" hand, both sound great! Thanks for the video. :)

  • @martoneill
    @martoneill Před 2 lety

    Very interesting; thank you. Rosewood was my preference between the two but the differences I can hear are pretty subtle.

  • @johnadams2981
    @johnadams2981 Před 4 lety +3

    Thank you for your review of these guitars. Both are great, but I prefer the DS1. I like the volume and articulation of mahogany.

    • @SillyMoustache
      @SillyMoustache  Před 4 lety +3

      Hi John. glad you foud it useful. I'm not counting but it seems most prefer the EIR DS2h, so it's nice to see a vote for the DS1 (hog) Thanks for watching!

  • @Silky-2727
    @Silky-2727 Před 4 lety +2

    Hey Andy, Greetings from Plano TX just 200 miles north of Austin! To me the rosewood sounds richer, more complex, but not as even. Midrange is “scooped out “ compared to low & high notes. Lovely guitars both. All the best, David

    • @SillyMoustache
      @SillyMoustache  Před 4 lety +2

      Hi Dave, I've been to Plano, or at least drove through it on our way to Sherman and to the Texas Acoustical Festival called Beanstock. I didn't know it at the time, but I was made an Honorary Texan and performed there. 2004 or 2005. Intersting what you write about the midrange scoop, I don't hear that myself but we all hear different things. Anyway, thanks for watching, and give my regards to Texas. The hosptality we received there was a delight. Andy

  • @kenschachsieck1357
    @kenschachsieck1357 Před 4 lety +3

    Hello, wanted to pass this a long. I was looking at the agf a few years ago when I got my first sample of you. A little later I caught your video comparing these same two models and was so impressed that as it turned out I had a chance to purchase a new dsh2 from soundpure, since I couldn't find a ds1 priced well enough I chose a d12 from santa cruz..mahogany b/s..love them both, still have them..thanks.

    • @SillyMoustache
      @SillyMoustache  Před 4 lety +1

      Hi Ken, when I bought my first Colling in '99, I was offered a D12, a Bourgeois DS260, and an HD28VS. All were excellent but it was the fretboard size and controlled tone of the DS2h that won me over.

  • @spring74light
    @spring74light Před 4 lety +1

    Thank you for having taken the time to put together this comparison. Clearly, both are outstandingly good instruments and each, I am sure, a delight to play. My observation would be that THE criterion for chosing a guitar is, "What meaningful expressive sounds can the player get the instrument to produce?" Most comparison vids try to feature the effects of a uniform set of input stimuli - more or less "unit impulses" in vibration-speak. But the tone production the player can coax out from the instrument is, I would suggest, the clincher! Can he, no PC infringement intended, get the sound out from the instrument that he hears inside his head?
    I am in the fortunate position of having both a Martin D-35 S (Indian rosewood) and a D-18 S ( mahogany, though this one is presently undergoing a neck reset). The '18 has spent time briefly in the hands of M. Simpson and I. Guillory, both of whom emitted expletives of approval.
    [Tyneside, England.]

    • @SillyMoustache
      @SillyMoustache  Před 4 lety +1

      Hi, it was playing "junior" (Isaac's D35-s ) that led me to my love of 12 fretters. I was whingeong on about a J-40 I'd just bought to replace my old D35. "Here, try this one" he said, Wide fretboard = problems gone. I searched and searched for a Dxx-S -any of them but none to be found which is why/how I discovered the first two Collings 12 fret dreads to come into the UK in 1999. When Isaac's widow was selling off his gear, I said that I would pay her price for the D35-S but she told me that was the one guitar the family had decided to keep. Isaac was one in a million.

  • @torontolarrivee7965
    @torontolarrivee7965 Před 3 lety +1

    Great video... think I prefer the sound of the rosewood, and the look of the mahogany

    • @SillyMoustache
      @SillyMoustache  Před 3 lety

      Well, I like them both so there is only one choice - have both !

  • @redson425
    @redson425 Před 4 lety +1

    A good point i missed on first listen was your comment at 7.48 about the Collings being quite sensitive to humidity.
    Found the same thing with my D35 as the humidity in Queensland is high. It's a very valid point in choosing a guitar.
    Recently got a Furch Blue CMC which has impeccable craftmanship but they are made in the Czech republic so it will be interesting to see how goes over time.

    • @SillyMoustache
      @SillyMoustache  Před 4 lety +3

      Hi, The following is my theory - not fact, just what I have observed and believe:
      1. a newer guitar is still in that process of "opening up" and so should be expected to change over time - better tone, but adjustments will be necessary and in the drying out period will be more sensitive to temps and humidity.
      2. The better quality the guitar, the lighter the build for best tonality and volume. This makes them more sensitive to atmospherics than, say, that old Eko Ranger n the corner!
      3. Older "fine" guitars are , in my experience less affected by atmospherics even if finely built. Maybe, like us, they've doe pall the moving about they needed to.
      Hope this helps - mmm, I may do a video on this. Thanks

  • @jamescoughlan8193
    @jamescoughlan8193 Před 3 lety +1

    I wish my ears were good enough to detect a difference, they both sound and look fantastic to me.

    • @SillyMoustache
      @SillyMoustache  Před 3 lety +1

      There have been times when I've been performing on stage when it occurred to me that I had forgotten which guitar I'm playing ...a quick glance down reminded me!

  • @pnomis
    @pnomis Před 4 lety +2

    Good comparison. I think the rosewood is richer and I like that but not always. There are times when the richness gets in the way of string separation. So the answer is that you need both. Having said that, I'd prefer an OM most of the time.

    • @SillyMoustache
      @SillyMoustache  Před 4 lety +1

      |Hi, each to his own. Dreads for performance, but at home 12 fret 000 or similar. Thanks for watching.

  • @abloke8834
    @abloke8834 Před 3 lety +1

    I'm really enjoying your videos. I think I prefer the rosewood visually and acoustically. The grain on the rosewood I find, is more attractive to my eye both inside and out.
    Is there a difference in the price between the two woods?

    • @SillyMoustache
      @SillyMoustache  Před 3 lety

      Hi, I agree, although It hasn't stopped me getting three great 6 string hogs, and both of my 12 strings. The issue I have with hog is the way that most stain them so dark. A more natural finish would surely be prettier. I think that traditionally EIR is more expensive than hog, but there are many different Rosewoods and they vary in cost extensively. Thanks for watching.

  • @steveb9325
    @steveb9325 Před 4 lety +1

    Hi Andy!
    Steve from ATX home of Collings as you know. Love them both! I'll take both of them thank you very much!!!
    Hope you and yours are all well. Take care!

    • @SillyMoustache
      @SillyMoustache  Před 4 lety

      Hi, spent a little time in Austin in 2004, and remember leaving in the morning on the 290 heading for Alpine. Didn't stop 'til we got to Wimberley and Luckenbach. I unknowingly passed by the Collings factory - a sad oversight! Thanks for watching!

    • @steveb9325
      @steveb9325 Před 4 lety

      @@SillyMoustache understand Buddy! We've had this conversation before. I know you answer so many people.....
      Take care Andy! Appreciate your videos!

  • @petergoddard1960
    @petergoddard1960 Před 4 lety +2

    It's hard to decide on a preference when both are such beautiful examples with glorious tone. So i've had to take a couple of passes before concluding that I slightly prefer the DS1 tone. I'd say it is slightly less 'sweet' but exhibits what I describe as a little 'growl' on the attack of the note. It's subtle but I'd say it would lend itself better in a bluegrass setting when being played 'stridently'. All my opinion of course. I play both flat pick and fingerstyle and so far I do prefer the balance of Hog's although I'm very seriously considering buying an Eastman E20-00!
    I have been using the TC Electronic Unitune for some time and I'm very satisfied with it. I might have to give the Stroboclip a try too.

    • @SillyMoustache
      @SillyMoustache  Před 4 lety +1

      Hi Peter, We are in accord with the tonal differences of my two Collings. I have been sent a Stroboclip for evaluation, so I'll be doing a video on clip on tuners shortly.

  • @bobaldo2339
    @bobaldo2339 Před 4 lety +1

    Rosewood is clearly mellower to my ears.

  • @rickycarter7154
    @rickycarter7154 Před 4 lety +2

    Hi Andy, Your video was very good. Just wanted to comment that as you know, each instrument is different and that tonal qualities are subjective. To my ears your rosewood box has thinner highs than the mahogany with more overtones in the low end. The DS1 seemed more balanced across the chords. I guess that's why guys like us need so many guitars. Thanks.

    • @SillyMoustache
      @SillyMoustache  Před 4 lety

      Hi Ricky, thanks for your observations. You are correct of course -two guitars made from woods from the same trees, on the same day will have subtle differences. Most are voting for the rosewood, but they are both fine guitars. Thanks for watching,

  • @steveb9325
    @steveb9325 Před 5 měsíci

    Hog man myself. Both beautiful guitar's thank you Andy🙏

  • @gangnamstylegrandpa6352

    After watching a few of your videos I purchased a Alvarez ARD-70 used . Which is a 12 fret , slope shouldered , slotted headstock , rosewood back and sides .dreadnaught . I found the tone to be deeper , and the volume to be louder than a 14 fret dreadnaught , with a modern headstock . Thank you for your videos , which pointed me in the direction of this style . I always did prefer rosewood , seems a little more mellower to me , or sweeter , I guess ! Thanks for some great videos !

    • @SillyMoustache
      @SillyMoustache  Před 4 lety +1

      Hi Grandpa, good to hear from you. I'm not aware of the instrument you have bought - we don't see many Alvarez guitars here in the UK. but it looks fine - a modern twist on the original dreadnought. I guess it has the wider fretboard that is an important factor? Thank you for your kind words. My mission is merely to try to help.

    • @gangnamstylegrandpa6352
      @gangnamstylegrandpa6352 Před 4 lety

      @@SillyMoustache , stay healthy , and keep on picking !! Keep up those great videos !

  • @stevemogan5384
    @stevemogan5384 Před 4 lety +2

    Love the clear tones of the Collings, but can't afford one, so I bought a Maton which sounds similar to the Collings, both well made guitars.

    • @SillyMoustache
      @SillyMoustache  Před 4 lety +3

      Good choice! I was fortunate that I found both of these on Ebay, with little/no competition.

  • @Amadeus1066
    @Amadeus1066 Před 4 lety +1

    I’m Andromeda over on the Acoustic Guitar Forum...I love your videos. I’m a big fan of Rosewood guitars and that is my preference although I do love Mahogany too.

    • @SillyMoustache
      @SillyMoustache  Před 4 lety +1

      Hi Liam, good to hear from you. Thanks for watching my vids and be sure to let me know if you have an idea for more. The eir seems to be winning so far! but I love 'em both.

  • @clscreate1060
    @clscreate1060 Před rokem

    Enjoyed the video. Both guitars sound beautiful. Wondering if anybody in your world talks about right shoulder pain in relation to such large deep instruments.

    • @SillyMoustache
      @SillyMoustache  Před rokem

      I do! I talk about posture with my Zoom clients a whole lot! Initially, I ask the to play for me for a few minutes, and I make notes about right and left hand skills , music style, vocals (if appropriate) and posture. I'm an old man, I have a damaged and deformed left shoulder (cycling accident) I've been over weight and had cancer and heart issues, so maximising playing comfort is an important factor for me and I've helped a lot of folks (mainly middle aged or older).
      I have researched matters with a great sports injury physio why helped me with different issues, and am happt to pass on best advice.

  • @sc5759
    @sc5759 Před 4 lety +1

    I also ordered a Peterson Stobo tuner earlier today to compliment my Polytune. I tried to order a 2nd Polytune but Guitar Center told me there was only one left in their US inventory. It’s in their store in Mesquite, TX I was told and they would not ship it to me so I decided to try out the Peterson.

    • @SillyMoustache
      @SillyMoustache  Před 4 lety

      I'm currently evaluating the Stroboclip. I'll do a video in a while.

    • @sc5759
      @sc5759 Před 4 lety

      @@SillyMoustache I hope you do! This thing looks quite intimidating.

  • @markrichardson6629
    @markrichardson6629 Před 4 lety +1

    Great stuff Andy, been passing through your back catalogue, most enjoyable, I have picked up loads of tips. I noticed in one of your videos you had a guitar scales book, can you review it and mention how you make use of it please.

    • @SillyMoustache
      @SillyMoustache  Před 4 lety +1

      Great tip! Not that I use anything like all those scales, but I guess I could do a video on it.
      BTW - if you wanted to have a video lesson/meeting - I'm getting the knack of talking to my laptop! see czcams.com/video/sBPaRCez0Eg/video.html Regards, Andy

  • @redson425
    @redson425 Před 4 lety +1

    Happened upon this video as I sold my Martin D-35 and don't have a Rosewood ATM and looking around at options.
    Very much like your channel and now a new subscriber.
    I am wondering what you use to record your utube videos.

    • @SillyMoustache
      @SillyMoustache  Před 4 lety +1

      Hi, I had a D35 for twenty years - sold it to a frind, and it is still a remarkable guitar. Thanks for subscribing! I use a very simple Zoom Q4 -camcorder - no editing just straight to the single camera.

  • @KOLDBLU3ST33L
    @KOLDBLU3ST33L Před 4 lety +2

    Great stache', friendly gent. I like him. 👍
    (To my ears, the E. Indian rosewood is warmer, which I prefer.)

  • @michaelbobson6375
    @michaelbobson6375 Před 2 lety

    I love your videos!
    I just bought a Martin 000 28 reimagined. I am a fairly new player and going back and forth about whether the 2 5/32" Bridge Spacing
    is going to hurt any Fingerstyle desires I have in the future. I hope your answer is no. Lol
    I wish you the best in your health and I just subbed.
    Take care SM🙏

    • @SillyMoustache
      @SillyMoustache  Před 2 lety

      Hi, Ican only speak from my own experience, and knowledge of other fine(r) players. Whilst that is narrower than my guitars (all 12 fretters) which are either 2&3/8" or 2 & 5/16". But I also have archtops with narrower spacing and don't seem to have any trouble playing them, (apart from my talent limitations of course). I suggest that you just have some "me" time with your new guitar and get to know each other, and I'm sure it will be just fine.

  • @stephen3073
    @stephen3073 Před 4 lety +1

    First impression, the Indian Rosewood guitar is a little louder, and more three dimensional sounding. It seems to project really well. Both are very nice. You're lucky to have such a nice pair of sibling guitars. IMO, Collings versions of Martin designs are generally better than the original Martins.

    • @SillyMoustache
      @SillyMoustache  Před 4 lety +1

      Hi Stephen, it is so interesting that I've had so many opinions and that they are so differing. Fact is they a re both good instruments. The build quality of my Collings guitars is generally better than Martins of maybe the 70s and '80s. I think Martin has responded to the competition from Colings, Bourgeois etc., hence the introduction of the "Traditional" series. It all makes for good instruments. I count myself lucjky to have found these two on ebay and got them for reasonable pricers, but it has taken me many years to assemble my little collection.

  • @angiesiddall9563
    @angiesiddall9563 Před 4 lety +1

    I find the mahogany to be more bass tone to it and as you mentioned louder. Both are beautiful guitars and have a good quality sound.

    • @SillyMoustache
      @SillyMoustache  Před 4 lety +1

      Hi Angie, that's interesting. Most others seem to hear it differentially. Of course, it really doesn't matter - as both are fine and few non guitarists would/could tell the difference. Nice to hear from you!

  • @NoteConference
    @NoteConference Před 4 lety +1

    Nice! I do the same thing with a few nice guitars in house. Thanks

    • @SillyMoustache
      @SillyMoustache  Před 4 lety +1

      Nice to have the facility to play and compare though isn't it? Thank for watching!

  • @LoffysDomain
    @LoffysDomain Před 4 lety

    Both are extremely nice sounding. I like the second one the most though. Dunno know why though. Great guitars. Thx for sharing.

  • @doublearon5150
    @doublearon5150 Před 2 lety

    Both are beautiful sounding instruments but of course I have to go with rosewood. The rounder sounding high end is a notch above in my book. God Bless

  • @USNAVDC
    @USNAVDC Před rokem

    The DS1 seems to have a lot more sustain in the video. Both sound beautiful. I don't know why but I always thought mahogany, visually, was the most beautiful wood; and
    I've always been in love with the way the Martin 15 series guitars look.

    • @SillyMoustache
      @SillyMoustache  Před rokem

      Each guitar, it seems, are individuals, even ones which share builder and design. Thanks for watching.

  • @Saxlicker
    @Saxlicker Před 4 lety

    Hi and thanks for all your video's you inspire me. The difference is very apparent and consistent with my recent experience with that other brand some people might have heard of... Mar.. Mirr..Mert...Monton D-18? and D-28? 🤣 It demonstrates perfectly the mahogany v rosewood sound.

    • @SillyMoustache
      @SillyMoustache  Před 4 lety

      Hi, thank you! No shame in Martins - love 'em! But yes, I think you'd find a similr comparison would show the same difference ....if that's ..a thing ?! Thanks for watching!

  • @Bowie.
    @Bowie. Před 8 měsíci

    Note to those who are researching; my DS1A is warmer and heavier in overtones than rosewood DSs from any other maker I've owned. Incl a braz rose Bourgeois. Don't expect the mahogany to be like hog dreads you are used to.

  • @stealthworx4371
    @stealthworx4371 Před 3 lety +1

    Oh man both sound a million dollars but rosewood always gets my vote lol

    • @SillyMoustache
      @SillyMoustache  Před 3 lety +1

      Hi lo0ve love 'em both, they both have their strengths. Rose is more complex - Hog is more direct. Thanks for watching.

  • @axplayer6918
    @axplayer6918 Před 2 lety

    Your observations of the two are very like my own. I would like to know what you might think of "sinker Mahogany" compared to rosewood if you may think of a difference from regular Mahogany. thanks very much.

    • @SillyMoustache
      @SillyMoustache  Před 2 lety

      Hi Thanks for your question, but whilst I am aware of "sinker" woods I have had no personal experience - and so cannot judge. I don't go to guitar dealers much and not at all since covid. Most of my instruments have been bought online.

    • @axplayer6918
      @axplayer6918 Před 2 lety

      @@SillyMoustache thank you, with High end guitars, there can be hype online about this and that.. Vince Gill has some youtube videos about this wood via Gruhn Guitars in Nashville. Thanks for your reply.

    • @mikereynolds3294
      @mikereynolds3294 Před 2 lety

      The ‘hog

  • @tenzinla1
    @tenzinla1 Před 4 lety

    Your voice is sounding very good. I do have a question-- I know you're pretty much self-taught so, what was your practice session like? How has it changed? What would you recommend for getting over that 'hump'?

    • @SillyMoustache
      @SillyMoustache  Před 4 lety +1

      Hi Jeffrey, to be honest (why not?) I no longer practice. sometimes I don't touch a guitar for days. However, i try to get together with my double bass player and mandolin player and go remember some of our rather large repertoire. Lockdown has had a considerable effect on our memories.
      Getting over a "hump" ? Well, perhaps a zoom meeting, chat and discussion could give you some inspiration ? Happy to arrange if you are interested. see; czcams.com/video/sBPaRCez0Eg/video.html regards, Andy

  • @tpf1952
    @tpf1952 Před 4 lety +1

    Enjoyed this video. Went in thinking I’d pull for the hog but the rose won the prize. Volume is nice but tone is more.

  • @John-ic6zo
    @John-ic6zo Před 4 lety

    Hi Andy..Thanks for another stimulating video. I was listening via a cheap pair of in ear phones through an Acer Tablet and I don't think I could hear a difference..perhaps because the delay between switching guitars caused me to forget what the first one sounded like? More likely I just have cloth ears!
    Maybe you could edit the sounds to be closer together for more of an AB comparison?
    I owned a D28 for a while and a couple of Atkins that all had rosewood back and sides.,so I seem to be drawn to that style although my current guitar is a Fylde with English Walnut back and sides and a cedar top.( I think!) Are your Collins the equivalents of Martin styles 18 and 28 Andy?

    • @SillyMoustache
      @SillyMoustache  Před 4 lety +2

      Hi John, I wish I could do as you suggest but as you can see from my videos I totally lack any technical abilities and so I simply switch on the camera, talk/play and then turn it off again. I have no access (or ability) to editing tools, and it seems that most prefer my (seemingly) casual and amateurish approach. In truth, the differinces are minor, and
      I defy anybody to listen to even fine recordings and identify the brand, or materials in a guitar without seeing it.
      Buying a rosewood Collings then a mahogany one was, in truth, just an excuse for buying another guitar! There truly is a difference, as every guitar will be slightly different to the next, but us guitar nerds love to dwell on them.
      Are my Collings versions of Martin designs? Absolutely, but as you will see, they are 12 fretters with slotted headstocks which was the "original" Martin dreadnought design made between 1931 and 1933, which in turn were slightly modified versions of the very few 111 dreadnoughts made for the Oliver Ditson company. Thanks for your interest.

    • @John-ic6zo
      @John-ic6zo Před 4 lety

      @@SillyMoustache no worries..it was good to watch you play them.

  • @deblane401
    @deblane401 Před 4 lety

    Hello Andy from Montana. I prefer the the tone of the rosewood, it is a little more rich in tone. The Hog is a truly bluegrass machine and a banjo killer. George in the Big Sky

    • @SillyMoustache
      @SillyMoustache  Před 4 lety

      Hi Deb, good to hear from you. I think you are right. Thanks for watching,

  • @tommysixstring5094
    @tommysixstring5094 Před 6 měsíci

    That's quite a balanced rosewood. More bass overtones than mahogany. However the trebles of rosewood are extended which hurts my ears tbh.
    Mahogany trebles are perfect - not too sharp. Doesn't have that ringing bass of rosewood but the mid range is wonderful, it has that typical thrum / throaty thing going on. Sounds more woody to me, more character.
    Good to have both!

  • @Andrew-vj7gw
    @Andrew-vj7gw Před 4 lety

    thanks for the demo.

  • @ole7236
    @ole7236 Před 4 lety +1

    Both guitars sound amazing in my opinion, but I prefer the East Indian Rosewood.

    • @SillyMoustache
      @SillyMoustache  Před 4 lety +1

      Hi, and most seem to agree! I guess I'll have to put the DS1 in the trash then ! Seriously the EIR is best for tonal quality, but the hog is best for cutting through a combo, but neither fall short in any capacity in my mind. Thanks for watching. Regards, Andy

  • @charlesbwilson8
    @charlesbwilson8 Před 4 lety

    Rosewood...like it for fingerpicking complex sounding..also where can I buy a mustache like yours

    • @SillyMoustache
      @SillyMoustache  Před 4 lety

      Hah, it can't be bought, you have to grow your own!

  • @RogerThat902
    @RogerThat902 Před 4 lety

    2 beautiful guitars. Personally for those guitars I slightly prefer the rosewood BUT my favorite guitar is actually an all mahogany Martin. I just love that it's a little mellower and subtle to my ears. Have you ever owned an all mahogany? I know people tend to love them ore hate them ha
    Also, you are making me really want a Collings. Obviously a great brand but those 2 instruments are stunning. I keep telling myself just 1 more guitar and I'll stop haha. Have you any experience with Larrivees? Beautiful guitars that tend to be more even that the bright Taylor and bass heavy Martin.

    • @SillyMoustache
      @SillyMoustache  Před 4 lety +1

      Hi, no real experience with Taylors. Just not my style. I had a Larrivee SD50-TSB which was given to me by a dealer in part compensation for a failed Huss & Dalton. It was a fine guitar - 12 fret dread - beautifully finished, and beautifully sounding., 1 & 7/8" nuit width. Sadly they've dropped the sunburst, and made the neck 1 & 3/4" which spoils the point of a 12 fretter to me. Resale value seems too low for such quality, under regarded in the market. Kinda sad I sold it to a friend who has brought out the tonal quality well.

    • @bobaldo2339
      @bobaldo2339 Před 4 lety

      I love all "hog" guitars. All things being equal, except price - which many times does not really enter into the sound - they "open up" quicker, and are naturally mellower than spruce top guitars.

    • @SillyMoustache
      @SillyMoustache  Před 4 lety

      @@bobaldo2339 Hi, I like both equally really.

  • @dylanthomas7443
    @dylanthomas7443 Před 3 lety

    About the comparison, I feel very strongly that the mahogany sounded much better. Why do most people feel that Rosewood is better?
    Also, please let me know a couple of things? how much did the fretboard replacement cost? and also could you kindly let me know if Slotted head is better than solid? Thanks.

    • @SillyMoustache
      @SillyMoustache  Před 3 lety

      Hi, You question as to why some prefer rosewood to mahogany or otherwise is simply because people have differing opinions and preferences, hence this video. I prefer the hog for larger combos - bluegrass etc., and the rose for solo work. I feel the hog is louder and the rose is sweeter. I had to watch my video again to see where you got the idea that a fretboard was replaced. I did not say that - I did say the the DS1 had a REFRET, because after a couple of years in a bluegrass band, I had worn them down somewhat. The slotted headstock is a part of the "ORIGINAL" design of the dreadnought from 1916 ish when made for Ditsons,and from 1931 made under Martin's own brand. When they decided to make the guitar for rhythm use only , with a thin neck meeting the body at the 2th fret, they used the spade style headstock simply to save production costs. Again, one it not necessarily better, but I prefer the slotted headstocks, findnig them easier to adjust tuning on stage, and to change strings on. hope that helps.

    • @dylanthomas7443
      @dylanthomas7443 Před 3 lety

      @@SillyMoustache Sorry but what is a "refret" mean? and is it expensive?

    • @SillyMoustache
      @SillyMoustache  Před 3 lety

      @@dylanthomas7443 Really ? A refret is a process of removing worn frets from the fretboard and replacing crowning and polishing the new ones. It is a precision job to be done by skilled techs/luthiers only. Often the bare fretboard is "shot" to clean and straighten out any minor hills and valleys. Hope that helps. Expensive ? I think that last two cost me about £250 a time.

    • @dylanthomas7443
      @dylanthomas7443 Před 3 lety

      @@SillyMoustache Thank you.

  • @handsomemann1
    @handsomemann1 Před 4 lety

    The Rosewood sounded better while the Mahogany, I found the sound was hidden back. I'd go to the Rosewood. Are you selling it?

    • @SillyMoustache
      @SillyMoustache  Před 4 lety

      Hi john, thanks for watching , but no not selling.

  • @brucedickson6019
    @brucedickson6019 Před 4 lety

    An interesting comparison. In all honesty, I don't like the sound of the mahogany instrument. It seems to lack the richness and high frequency sustain that rosewood offers. I suppose though that this could just be my hearing.

    • @SillyMoustache
      @SillyMoustache  Před 4 lety

      Hi Bruce, sorry my DS1 didn't make the cut for you. The EIR box seems to be getting the votes though. Thanks for watching!

  • @vernonknight8611
    @vernonknight8611 Před 3 lety

    Rosewood has lower lows and higher highs than Mahogany. While Mahogany has more midrange punch. Imo an Acoustic built out of Rosewood with a Mahogany strip down the back might be just perfect!

  • @texhaines9957
    @texhaines9957 Před 4 lety

    Hard to decide but I think my voice would sound better with the EI Rosewood back. I would prefer an Adirondack or Lutz spruce 'aged' (torrified) top.

    • @SillyMoustache
      @SillyMoustache  Před 4 lety

      Hi Tex, I've had different comments, but most have sided with the EIR. I alsohave an older and well used hog with an adi top which I probably use more than bothof these. I may do another vid. Thanks for your comment and for watching.

    • @texhaines9957
      @texhaines9957 Před 4 lety

      @@SillyMoustache yes. Thanks. I mostly lead singing so that Addy top & mahogany back is probably a winner. I have a number of EI Rosewood backed guitars & ONE aged Adirondack top with Madagascar Rosewood that has superb sound.

  • @malakagirley
    @malakagirley Před 4 lety

    Roswood sounds better projecting and balanced ..sweet sound

    • @SillyMoustache
      @SillyMoustache  Před 4 lety

      Hi, I fel that the rosewood has a more complex and warmer sound, but I know that the Mahogany one certainly projects more.

  • @joelgevirtz6181
    @joelgevirtz6181 Před 4 lety

    Mahogany is brighter, Rosewood is darker. What is the scale length? My 1935 D28 compared to my 1972 D18 is similar. The D18 is brighter, and the D28 is much darker. Of course the age difference is also a factor. Yours are about the same age so it is a better comparison.

    • @SillyMoustache
      @SillyMoustache  Před 4 lety

      Hi Joel, hope you are both keeping safe. the published scale of Collings is 25.5" against Martin's scale of 25.4" but there are long scientific discussions about scales so I'd say , pretty much the same . Yes as both of these guitars are 12/13 years old I thought it would be the best comparison I could make. Best to both!

    • @joelgevirtz6181
      @joelgevirtz6181 Před 4 lety

      @@SillyMoustache just a general comment. You really do have some wonderful instruments! I think we are fortunate to still be able to play our stuff! Best to both and stay well!

    • @SillyMoustache
      @SillyMoustache  Před 4 lety

      @@joelgevirtz6181 Hi Joel, my guitar collection came about when Nanny Jane stopped me from Chasin' wimmins! (actually, I'm not sure I could remember what to do now if I caught one - jus' keep pickin'

    • @joelgevirtz6181
      @joelgevirtz6181 Před 4 lety

      @@SillyMoustache right there with you :-)!

  • @aoac1
    @aoac1 Před 4 lety

    I preferred the rosewood, but am poor selection for an opinion, being unaccustomed to this quality. But thanks!

    • @SillyMoustache
      @SillyMoustache  Před 4 lety

      Hi Steve, your opinion is still of value, and most seem to agree with you. Thanks for watching and please have a look at some other of my videos. Regards, Ol' Andy

  • @markmuch1295
    @markmuch1295 Před 4 lety

    What about maple like the Everly brothers played?

    • @SillyMoustache
      @SillyMoustache  Před 4 lety

      What about it? It is the tonewood of preference for archtop guitars as it has a very fast velocity of sound and doesn't colour tonality much. I have my Waterloo WL-12 which has a maple back ad sides, and rally like it.

  • @bastardsonofretkillr
    @bastardsonofretkillr Před 3 lety

    More chime on the Rosewood....more midrange on the Mahogany

    • @SillyMoustache
      @SillyMoustache  Před 3 lety

      Hi Dale, that's about it. but more "power" with the hog, which is why it w3as my preference for bluegrass. Thanks for watching.

    • @bastardsonofretkillr
      @bastardsonofretkillr Před 3 lety

      @@SillyMoustache thanks with my iPad Pro the speakers are not very good I did hear more chime with the Rosewood and midrange with the Mahogany but sounded even in volume with my speakers

  • @Jam-m7m
    @Jam-m7m Před 4 lety

    What are the top woods Adirondack or ???

    • @SillyMoustache
      @SillyMoustache  Před 4 lety

      Surely I said they were sitka at least once?? Didn't I?

  • @craighill388
    @craighill388 Před 4 lety

    The rosewood sounds more than just a little better, sounds a ton better than the Mahogany. ..almost makes the non rosewood one sound a bit tinny.

    • @SillyMoustache
      @SillyMoustache  Před 4 lety

      Hi Craig, not sure about the DS1 sounding tinny, but certainly it is a simpler tone with more complexity in the rosewood. However, most seem to prefer the DS2h as do you. Thanks for watching.