I watched all the vids of the guy installing the LS head on the 351w. He only did it because there were people that said they had done it 10 years ago. It was alot of work including blocking water passages and machining pushrod holes. It made 400 on engine and blew up on boost at 975hp. A must watch vid as the rod blew out the side of the block and hit the dyno window.. Thanks For the great vids
It made 975 and didn't come a part tell they tried running 27+ on Boost. If they would have left it alone at 20 lbs it probably never would have came apart. But your right its still really cool to watch it blow lol
@@ponyboytv4320 if it went that high with a stock block windsor thats crazy because they only have cast pistons and thats probably what made the rod fail
I would like to see you flow a AFR 220 ford head and see the difference in flow numbers. i think the AFR 220 will surprise a lot of people. Very underrated head. Thanks good content.
Good stuff! I'd be curious to see your take on the high port vs the R head. Same CNC intake runner program. I went with the R head for my n/a big bore 347 and took some flak for not going with the high port. I'm happy with the results regardless.
lots of people don't know that the bore spacing for the small block Ford Was adapted in 1954 for the Y block and used For every small block From the 239 Y block to the 221 and even the 400. Shelby American Modified 292 Y block Cranks to build Stroker 289 engines for There racing Cobras!
Sbc is 4.400" bore spacing and the sbf has a 4.380" bore spacing. So they're within .020" of each other. But it's not that simple, here's why; At the center 2 cylinders are each .010" off on the left and .010" off on the right. Which is close enough for those 2 cylinders but as you work you way out from the center the farther off they are because for the end cylinders you add the .010" to the .020" difference the bore centers are and now the end cylinders are. 030" off. .030" can be a lot if the bores are on the larger size for that platform and if the chambers on the heads are on the wider side. If that's the case then the head gaskets may not seal? Anyway, great video, if anything you cut your videos off to short. Should be at least 30 minutes for this kind of cool content.
@@WeingartnerRacing Your welcome, thanks for your porting video you make. Even though I probably won't do much porting in my lifetime, I do like learning about it.
My TFS Hi-Ports (porters head) are 240's... with a 2.10 int. and 1.60 exh. on a conservative SF 600, with an exh. pipe, 4.125 bore, my cam is right at 700 lift with the lash figured... I'm more impressed with the excellent mid-lift #'s and at .700" 355 int. and 273 exh... even with a 2.10 valve, the flow isn't going to make up the more than 10% loss from the #'s my 240's flow on a conservative bench. These 240 heads in the video flow #'s are way down for even Hi-Port 225's
*** Is there anywhere that offers flow #'s for the Bennett TFS Hi-Port 285's ??? Debating on upgrading my 438W TFS Hi-Port 240's with 12:1 comp. to increasing comp. around 15.2:1 with Hi-Port 285's and .800"+ cam
Eric, your thoughts in the Highport vs. the Twisted Wedge? I realize you just named this highport as the nice head to have out of the box, but I'm curious.
If the rules called for inline valve high ports make sense. However the TW heads the original and larger heads rotate the valves in the bore for a more direct line of sight and improved valve angles which don't shroud as much. A superior combustion chamber design. They get more low an mid lift flow than inline heads which have similar peak flow numbers. On the dynos the TW's always made more torque and power than comparable inline valve heads.
Eric, I am not very wealthy, I'm a disabled veteran, I have a 351w and I am considering trying Speedmaster 175cc heads that go for around $600 or Speedmaster 210cc heads that come as a top end kit on ebay with an intake, rockers and valve covers for $1,165 have you ever looked at them or tested them? If money wasn't as tight I'd probably got with TFS 11R 190cc or 205cc heads which would work on either a stock displacement 351, a 393w a friend of mine is selling or a 393/408/418/427/434w I might build later. Also have you ever seen anyone make a 434w with 4.030" bore and a 4.25" stroke in a stock block using a 331 piston, 6.2 rod and 4.25" crank, from what I have gathered block clearancing is necessary and a small base circle cam. It seems like it wouldn't cost much different than the other displacements and get as much TQ as possible for my F250 that I want to run with a ZF-5 S47 with a long travel suspension as a homemade Pre-Runner rig. I have noticed that those 351w engines make the most power with a single plane intake and a carb than all but the most expensive EFI intakes like a Hi-ram or injectors in a single plane with a 4150 4 hole throttle body or an elbow with a throttle body. The mustang style intakes seem like a huge bottle neck and proper EFI control like Holley terminator or sniper is big money over a carb.
Eric nice videos! Can you elaborate on air speed and flow the head on the bench so we can hear the port sound and explain when air flow goes turbulent.
The Hi Port is king daddy of 20* inline SBF heads, and has been since the old Wil-Burt and KPI days, nothing else compares. The old Canfield heads were a close second in both flow and performance, the casting quality just wasn't quite as good as the TFS. Great video buddy!
Would the trick flow clevor heads have the spark plug hole moved further away from the intake valve as you mentioned or are they basically the same design as far as that distance is concerned? Your videos are very helpful and im happy to see a set of sbf heads on this channel especially since ive chosen these for my boosted sbf build. 🐎👍🏼
Eric awesome Video. I am just learning about heads so your Videos are very valuable to me anyways. Got a question on your Short side numbers you have written on the head?? 1.655" X 1.915". Is the 1.655" the width and the 1.915" the height?? Thank you.
Hey Mate just found your channel,at last we have a guy that knows what hes talking about,not just a guy thats brainwashed with GM,I was raised in GM family and had GM cars,but found out FORD mainly Cleveland were great motors to mod and had great success with them.I use mainly CHI HEADS,and going by your flow numbers[maybe they vary with different benchs]CHI out performs these heads. I am going to build a dart 8.2 deck iron eagle 363 cid,pro street build, solid roller,what heads would you recomend,been playing with idea of AFR 220,but i have set yates c3 would make more hp,i think i will trouble finding an intake
Eric Weingartner I just stumbled across your video when you were talking about David Frieburger lol. Yes, he can be a shit bag to Dulcich for sure and he is very annoying. Anyways, I have the Trick Flow Cleveland 225cc cnc heads. I bought them in 2012 from Total Engine Airflow. 1st question- have you ever reviewed or flowed these heads? 2nd - some say T.E.A. fudge their flow numbers by leaving the spark plug out. Have you ever flowed any T.E.A heads and compared their advertised numbers to yours? I know flow bench to flow bench the numbers will slightly vary but I was just curious.
@@dennisrobinson8008 yes. 359c stock crank, Eagle rods, SRP flat tops , 11.1 compression. My TF 225cc heads, out of box TF Track Heat intake, Mighty Demon 750 carb no spacer. Cam is a custom Bullet solid flat with 239/243@.050 .611/.605 lift 107 lobe sep. Made 521hp@6300/453@5600 at crank. I wanted good power in by 6500rpm - it runs well.
@@WeingartnerRacing hello eric,Eric, like your videos, have you ever got to port a ford fe cylinder head,you do very good work,I wish you would maybe reconsider and port maybe a ford fe iron head,would you maybe at least think about it ,thanks Eddie
Tfs is king in sbf stuff. Twisted wedges, high ports, 11r all great stuff
Yeah they are, for the money its hard to beat a properly dialed in set of Trickflows for the Windsors!🏁🔥
I agree. TFS is great for the average sbf guy.
For off the shelf generic type stuff, but the real kings are Brodix neil and head hunter,Edelbrock SC1s and victors, bluethunder and Darts
Vincent performance 255cc tfs highports are badass
I believe it’s 4.380 vs SBC 4.400 bore spacing, different but close.
I watched all the vids of the guy installing the LS head on the 351w. He only did it because there were people that said they had done it 10 years ago. It was alot of work including blocking water passages and machining pushrod holes. It made 400 on engine and blew up on boost at 975hp. A must watch vid as the rod blew out the side of the block and hit the dyno window..
Thanks For the great vids
It made 975 and didn't come a part tell they tried running 27+ on Boost. If they would have left it alone at 20 lbs it probably never would have came apart. But your right its still really cool to watch it blow lol
@@ponyboytv4320 if it went that high with a stock block windsor thats crazy because they only have cast pistons and thats probably what made the rod fail
Just informational, Promaxx Shocker 210, flows very comparable to the high ports. It’s a very nice head, and well priced.
It does not on my bench. It’s about 20cfm difference
I would like to see you flow a AFR 220 ford head and see the difference in flow numbers. i think the AFR 220 will surprise a lot of people. Very underrated head. Thanks good content.
I’m sure a new set will come through eventually.
Great video Eric! My GM buddies tease me by calling my 408W a Gen 1 LS. 😂😂
Thanks for the Ford video can t wait to see them ported
Good stuff! I'd be curious to see your take on the high port vs the R head. Same CNC intake runner program. I went with the R head for my n/a big bore 347 and took some flak for not going with the high port. I'm happy with the results regardless.
The 3.937" bore centre is mod motor. Its 100mm. As far as I can tell its unique of all engine families.
The ford is 4.38 bore center, the Chevy is 4.4 ! The LS is an advanced design of a Cleveland head!
lots of people don't know that the bore spacing for the small block Ford Was adapted in 1954 for the Y block and used For every small block From the 239 Y block to the 221 and even the 400. Shelby American Modified 292 Y block Cranks to build Stroker 289 engines for There racing Cobras!
Sbc is 4.400" bore spacing and the sbf has a 4.380" bore spacing.
So they're within .020" of each other. But it's not that simple, here's why;
At the center 2 cylinders are each .010" off on the left and .010" off on the right. Which is close enough for those 2 cylinders but as you work you way out from the center the farther off they are because for the end cylinders you add the .010" to the .020" difference the bore centers are and now the end cylinders are. 030" off.
.030" can be a lot if the bores are on the larger size for that platform and if the chambers on the heads are on the wider side. If that's the case then the head gaskets may not seal?
Anyway, great video, if anything you cut your videos off to short. Should be at least 30 minutes for this kind of cool content.
Thanks for that. I couldn’t remember the Ford bore spacing right off.
@@WeingartnerRacing
Your welcome, thanks for your porting video you make. Even though I probably won't do much porting in my lifetime, I do like learning about it.
My TFS Hi-Ports (porters head) are 240's... with a 2.10 int. and 1.60 exh. on a conservative SF 600, with an exh. pipe, 4.125 bore, my cam is right at 700 lift with the lash figured... I'm more impressed with the excellent mid-lift #'s and at .700" 355 int. and 273 exh... even with a 2.10 valve, the flow isn't going to make up the more than 10% loss from the #'s my 240's flow on a conservative bench.
These 240 heads in the video flow #'s are way down for even Hi-Port 225's
I see those are going to ZSR. Zach builds great stuff.
You Port the Will-Burt Fox lake Trick Flow Small Block Ford Cast Iron High Port Street Heat Heads
At an given port volume which head has a larger cross sectional area the Ford Windsor or a Chevrolet v8?
*** Is there anywhere that offers flow #'s for the Bennett TFS Hi-Port 285's ???
Debating on upgrading my 438W TFS Hi-Port 240's with 12:1 comp. to increasing comp. around 15.2:1 with Hi-Port 285's and .800"+ cam
Eric, your thoughts in the Highport vs. the Twisted Wedge? I realize you just named this highport as the nice head to have out of the box, but I'm curious.
If the rules called for inline valve high ports make sense. However the TW heads the original and larger heads rotate the valves in the bore for a more direct line of sight and improved valve angles which don't shroud as much. A superior combustion chamber design. They get more low an mid lift flow than inline heads which have similar peak flow numbers. On the dynos the TW's always made more torque and power than comparable inline valve heads.
Eric, I am not very wealthy, I'm a disabled veteran, I have a 351w and I am considering trying Speedmaster 175cc heads that go for around $600 or Speedmaster 210cc heads that come as a top end kit on ebay with an intake, rockers and valve covers for $1,165 have you ever looked at them or tested them? If money wasn't as tight I'd probably got with TFS 11R 190cc or 205cc heads which would work on either a stock displacement 351, a 393w a friend of mine is selling or a 393/408/418/427/434w I might build later. Also have you ever seen anyone make a 434w with 4.030" bore and a 4.25" stroke in a stock block using a 331 piston, 6.2 rod and 4.25" crank, from what I have gathered block clearancing is necessary and a small base circle cam. It seems like it wouldn't cost much different than the other displacements and get as much TQ as possible for my F250 that I want to run with a ZF-5 S47 with a long travel suspension as a homemade Pre-Runner rig. I have noticed that those 351w engines make the most power with a single plane intake and a carb than all but the most expensive EFI intakes like a Hi-ram or injectors in a single plane with a 4150 4 hole throttle body or an elbow with a throttle body. The mustang style intakes seem like a huge bottle neck and proper EFI control like Holley terminator or sniper is big money over a carb.
Eric nice videos! Can you elaborate on air speed and flow the head on the bench so we can hear the port sound and explain when air flow goes turbulent.
The Hi Port is king daddy of 20* inline SBF heads, and has been since the old Wil-Burt and KPI days, nothing else compares. The old Canfield heads were a close second in both flow and performance, the casting quality just wasn't quite as good as the TFS.
Great video buddy!
Do you ever get any import 4V stuff through the door?
No
Would the trick flow clevor heads have the spark plug hole moved further away from the intake valve as you mentioned or are they basically the same design as far as that distance is concerned? Your videos are very helpful and im happy to see a set of sbf heads on this channel especially since ive chosen these for my boosted sbf build. 🐎👍🏼
Do you have the ported flow numbers after you did you work? Great video thank you
Not yet they are in line but I’m slammed.
What did it flow after you finished it?
I’m almost done porting it.
Subscribed. Good video! I appreciate the info
Eric awesome Video. I am just learning about heads so your Videos are very valuable to me anyways. Got a question on your Short side numbers you have written on the head?? 1.655" X 1.915". Is the 1.655" the width and the 1.915" the height?? Thank you.
You think their big ford 290 head is just as good?
Hey Mate just found your channel,at last we have a guy that knows what hes talking about,not just a guy thats brainwashed with GM,I was raised in GM family and had GM cars,but found out FORD mainly Cleveland were great motors to mod and had great success with them.I use mainly CHI HEADS,and going by your flow numbers[maybe they vary with different benchs]CHI out performs these heads. I am going to build a dart 8.2 deck iron eagle 363 cid,pro street build, solid roller,what heads would you recomend,been playing with idea of AFR 220,but i have set yates c3 would make more hp,i think i will trouble finding an intake
Eric Weingartner
I just stumbled across your video when you were talking about David Frieburger lol. Yes, he can be a shit bag to Dulcich for sure and he is very annoying. Anyways, I have the Trick Flow Cleveland 225cc cnc heads. I bought them in 2012 from Total Engine Airflow.
1st question- have you ever reviewed or flowed these heads? 2nd - some say T.E.A. fudge their flow numbers by leaving the spark plug out. Have you ever flowed any T.E.A heads and compared their advertised numbers to yours? I know flow bench to flow bench the numbers will slightly vary but I was just curious.
Any results on your Cleveland?
@@dennisrobinson8008 Are you asking me about my Cleveland?
@@nova467spanker Hi. Yes was asking about your Cleveland.
@@dennisrobinson8008 yes. 359c stock crank, Eagle rods, SRP flat tops , 11.1 compression. My TF 225cc heads, out of box TF Track Heat intake, Mighty Demon 750 carb no spacer. Cam is a custom Bullet solid flat with 239/243@.050 .611/.605 lift 107 lobe sep. Made 521hp@6300/453@5600 at crank. I wanted good power in by 6500rpm - it runs well.
@@nova467spanker It must hit hard with that tight LSA.
Chevy so much cheaper for heads go fast LS, Yet short block of 427 or larger is needed it is at race engine pricing
Thanks!
What about porting some old odd ball stuff, (Studebaker) 🤭
I don’t port cast iron anymore.
@@WeingartnerRacing hello eric,Eric, like your videos, have you ever got to port a ford fe cylinder head,you do very good work,I wish you would maybe reconsider and port maybe a ford fe iron head,would you maybe at least think about it ,thanks Eddie
I like you already! Lol
what head is better the AFR 220 or the trick flow highport 240
Trick flow