When Scottie Pippen OUTSHINED Michael Jordan
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A breakdown of the Playoff games Scottie Pippen outperformed his teammate, Michael Jordan.
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Do we as the Basketball community appreciate Pippen too much, too little, or just right?
Channel is blowing’ up, my man. Great work. Keep it up. The Artest video was excellent…stirred a lot of debate. I hope you do more in that vein.
Nice to see
Depends on who you ask but I would say just right
Pretty good segway there, not gonna lie.
Yo @jonnyarnett make thus a series by dynamic duo example kareem and magic,shaq and kobe,curry durant,d wade and lbj when they outshine there tag team partner in crime in the series
Scottie Pippen in 17 seasons:
- 6× NBA champion (1991-1993, 1996-1998)
- 7× NBA All-Star (1990, 1992-1997)
- NBA All-Star Game MVP (1994)
- 3× All-NBA First Team (1994-1996)
- 2× All-NBA Second Team (1992, 1997)
- 2× All-NBA Third Team (1993, 1998)
- 8× NBA All-Defensive First Team (1992-1999)
- 2× NBA All-Defensive Second Team (1991, 2000)
- NBA steals leader (1995)
- NBA anniversary team (50th, 75th)
- No. 33 retired by Chicago Bulls
- USA Basketball Male Athlete of the Year (1996)
- 2x Olympic gold medalist
Career Regular Season Stats
- 34.9 MPG
- 1,178 Total GP
- 16.1 PPG
- 6.4 RPG
- 5.2 APG
- 2.0 SPG
- 0.8 BPG
- 47.3/32.6/70.4%
- 53.6 TS
- 18,940 total Pts
- 7,494 total Reb
- 6,135 total Ast
- 2307 Total STLS
- 947 total Blks
Career Playoff Stats
- 39.0 MPG
- 17.5 PPG
- 7.6 RPG
- 5.0 APG
- 1.9 SPG
- 0.9 BPG
- 2.9 TO
- 208 GP
- 44.0/30.3/72.4%
- 52.4 TS
- 3,642 Total Pts
- 1583 Total Reb
- 1048 Total ast
- 395 Total STLS
- 185 Total Blks
- 21 career triple-doubles (17 regular season, 4 playoffs)
- Top 3 all-time in points, rebounds, assists and steals by a Bull.
- One of four players, to lead his team in points, rebounds assist and Blocks and steals
For more stats like this,highlights,lowlights, updates and debates follow my page @NUMBERSSTATFAX ON IG,TIKTOK🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
He played 15 seasons the last two seasons don’t count since he was so bad
Michael Jordan..
#1 All Time reg season PPG 30.12
#1 All Time playoff PPG 33 4
#1 All Time NBA Finals PPG 33.6
#1 All Time reg Season PER
#1 All Time playoff PER
#1 All Time NBA Finals PER
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So is Pippen better than LeBron?
@@GoodStuff115who says this?
That transition to the promotion at the begining😂😂😂.... But people just love downplaying Pippen like u can juet replace all he does with just anybody
What the 1998 Last Dance season show you?
Pippen could've been replaced also Pippen didn't have no other choice but to maximize his talent or else who wouldn't been there.
Also the front office wanted to trade Pippen often so yeah Pippen could've been replaced.
Everything u think Pippen did so did Jordan. There wasn't nothing on the court that Pippen did that Jordan couldn't do lol.
Nice try though
@@g24deez🗣️THANK Y👤U , MAN . PE👤PLE CONTINUE TO OVERRATE SCOTTIE PIPPEN BECAUSE HE PLAYED⏯️ WITH THE G.🐐.A.T.>🎤 🏀🗑️
With MJ against the Knicks, Pippen went 5-0. Without MJ, Pippen went 0-1
In the 1994 playoffs, his first year without Jordan, Pippen had his lowest playoffs FG% of his career to that point (43.4%)
Also in 1994, that was the lowest apg he had in a playoff since his 2nd year in the league
Both jordan and pippen played their roles perfectly. Thats what led to the bulls success.
My take is that Pippen is both overrated and underrated depending on who you ask, but he’s almost never properly rated
Pippen should never be considered overrated,ever..
Wildly overrated most of the time. Yes he was damn good but there's no question that it was Jordan's not just his immense talent and skill and drive but the reason that team was so successful Beyond of course great coaching was the fact that Jordan had unlike any other star in the history of the league, a will to win that he could impose on not only the game but on his own teammates.
We've never seen anything like it in the history of the nba. It made me less of a fan throughout the 90s because it was basically a foregone conclusion that the Bulls were going to win whatever they wanted to win except in that come back year of his butt in the sixth championship years every single year you knew the bulls were going to win the championship every single year you could just tell that there was this thing happening where Jordan was imposing his will on each game which meant he could thus control each series. If the guy could control an individual game then of course he knew what he needed to do was to control four individual games within any given series and he did. And he did it by not only imposing his own will on what was happening on the floor but he imposed his own will through relationships and through practice and through pregame and through whatever happened on the court, on his teammates. It's not as if you didn't see it, guys like John Paxton and Steve Kerr would step up and come through in the clutch when they needed to constantly. Once he learned how to control this aspect of himself once he discovered that he had that ability to literally not only will himself to victory but to will his team to victory, he learned how to get over the hump of the Pistons and the Celtics.
Pippen was certainly great but I'm offended that he's considered greater than Dominique Wilkins, Bob McAdoo etcetera. My interpretation is that it was supposed to be the 50 greatest players of all time, not the 50 greatest teammates. He had really good individual skills but his skills and talent were nowhere near that of certain other people that never made that 50 or 75
And Johnny asking the question what is Michael without Scotty and what is Scotty without Michael.... I think we saw enough of that to know the answer. Michael was hitting clutch shots winning the NCAA championship as a freshman.... He was wildly dominant in the NBA even before Scotty made his rise cuz it took him a couple years to really get his footing and during that period the Bulls were improving every year and Jordan was getting better and better and was dominating the league with scoring titles, MVPs, and DPOY awards. Not to mention that even in his old age when he came back to play Washington for those couple seasons he was still unbelievable I remember begrudgingly picking him on my fantasy squad as much as I dislike him because I just knew that even at almost 40 he was going to stull be really productive. No certainly he didn't win his titles until Scotty became scotty, but at the same time it is kind of rare for individuals to lead teams to an NBA title it very very very very very very rarely happens. I've gone back through every team dating back to the year I was born in 1970. And if I'm correct the Pistons in 04 were the only team to ever win without a superstar and a second "somewhat star" to compliment him. Arguments can be made about how big of a star people like ginobili and Tony Parker were, an argument can be made about how big a star the players on the Seattle team that won the title in the late 70s. But the backcourt alone on that team were both considered stars back then then
@@jasonallen3678he should be. Some people think he's top 25/20 or was better than mj
He's Jrue Holliday.
Larry Bird’s take was pretty decent: with MJ, Scottie is the #2 player in the league, without MJ he drops to #5.
Nobody who ever seen MJ and pip play with the bulls ever questioned who was Batman and who was robin pippen was the point forward and mj was the closer who took over in the 4th qtr
I thought pippen was better but my dad was a magic Johnson fan
They complimented each other so well. Watching those games was a treat. Pippen true value was in the little things he done extremely well night in and night out that won’t show up on a stat sheet. Kobe pointed that out in a video. I was like YES, finally someone gives a glimpse of what Pip was doing and appreciated it. He really shined that season MJ was gone because he had the spotlight. It’s sad how bitter he seems to be now. Still one of my favorite players.
I watched most of the Bulls games in MJ's era. You can count on your hands how many times Pip outshined MJ. Loved Pip, but he was the very definition of a #2 star.
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@@KaineTremaine 👏👏👏👏
Absolute facts!
Exactly, no player will be the #1 everyday for his team given that you have another superstar. However MJ was the clear #1 and especially in the playoffs.
@@faruquekhan3353 Superstar tho?
Scottie has always been fairly assessed as an exemplary #2 option to MJ on the Bulls. It’s only the warped narratives the younger generation spam and the resulting reactions they receive that muddy the reality.
My take is that PIppen was certainly a key piece of Bulls' success but Jordan could still win a lot if we replace Pippen w/ Reggie Miller or Shawn Kemp caliber players. Kemp would be in HOF and top 50 / 75 had that happened. Pippen OTOH mighta very well be just another good player like Kevin Johnson that never made it to HOF.
@@TellenJonesyou're part of the problem, the way you just dismissed pips elite defense (which defense was the biggest part of the bulls success) and the fact he ran the triangle...and suggesting Reggie etc could replace that is laughable
@@twizzy585ful Who's to say defense is the only way to win championships? Bulls might be a bit off defensively if Reggie came in for Pippen but they'd gain more offensively to compensate that. The way Reggie kept moving around off the ball to loosen defense up, he's like the prototype of Curry and would definitely create more open looks for Jordan.
During Jordan's first retirement, Reggie Miller took his lone-man Pacers to back 2 back ECF while Pippen only went for ECSF in 94 and then was in danger of missing playoff in 95. When asking both Pippen and Reggie to be that franchise guy, Reggie put out BETTER PERFORMANCE. It's not even close. Reggie had bigger heart and clutchier than Pippen.
Triangle offense is not so difficult that only Pippen could do. Hell, a bunch of scrubs like Mills and Diaw in that 2014 Spurs team already moved the ball around so clinically they made Lebron chasing AF. You think Pippen was the only one capable of moving the ball? Think again.
@@TellenJones
Kevin Johnson was NOT just another good player who didn't make the Hall of Fame. Prior to his hernia issues, he was a 20 ppg/10 apg speed demon playoff BEAST, who only failed Hall of Fame induction because of child grooming allegations; people have extremely short and revisionist memories.
@@camaradiop3731 KJ's primary problem was he lacked of nuf stellar performance to boost his case. He had a good stretch in early 90's and then got injured a lot to miss many games so he could not build his resume up. KJ and Shawn Kemp both had HOF capabilities but didn't make it. I'll say this: If Suns had won in 93 and Sonics in 96 over Bulls, both KJ and Kemp would be in HOF right now. The same could be said of Jeff Hornacek. Jordan's overwhelming dominance ruined a lot ppl's career.
Lebron OTOH in comparison was embarrassingly an enabler. He enabled Norwitzki's legacy who at the time was deemed a has-been. He enabled Duncan to be the only one to win championships in 3 decades. He enabled GSW to be a dynasty.
You know, that's why i love your channel, it is objective and you dont have a black or white mentality. I love the NBA but i hate their casual takes. Basketball is a team sport and every player have a role in other to win. The Bulls needed MJ to win as much as they needed Pippen, because they played their role perfectly. Kobe needed Pau and Shaq in certain occasion, in order to win. LeBron needed Kyrie, Wade and Streetclothes to win. Pushing a narrative that a player is worse than other player because they need a player is just stupid, everyone need someone, in order to win.
Very well said!
You are right tho. Jonny does a great job with his takes/videos and I completely agree with this video. "Streetclothes" Hahaha! It's even listed nicknames on his Basketball Reference. Hahaha
@@17thNO yeah, it is a funny ass nickname. In 15-30 years fans will be confused about that nickname, and that might be an inside joke for the people who watched AD's career.
@@marcosmartinez8088 They gonna think it's because he has style.
wasn't for Kukoc's game winner, a new addition to the 1994 Bulls team that hadn't played with Jordan in the first 3peat, the Bulls would have been down 0-3 against the Knicks while Pippen sat on the bench from the sidelines. Pippen did not push the Knicks to 7 Games by himself. He needed extra pieces that Jordan did not have pre-1996 such as Kerr and Kukoc.
Wait a second. That close out game in 91 MJ and Pip had 60+ points and 10 steals…
That’s crazy!
LeBron James, Kyrie Irving 1st Teammates to Score 40 Points Each in NBA Finals
@@k.b.s973why are you talking about kyrie
As a lifelong Bulls fan, Scottie could on any given night have a big offensive game, but he always gave a strong defensive effort. The problem was that Scottie never realized that his game was not always at that level… there is a reason his career average is around 18 PPG, and it isn’t just his post prime years. He could generally be counted on for about 18 PPG and when you got 30 it was just gravy. Honestly, when he played I thought he was gracious and understood that his role was important if not glamorous. Watching him now, he sounds like a delusional entitled jerk. Scottie’s biggest issue on the court was coming up small in the biggest moments, the 1.7 seconds in New York, game 7 in Detroit, the way he handled the 97-98 season, and his time with Blazers/Rockets. He was great in moments, but small in too many big moments. Just my take.
Spot on!
To his case jordan never went far without pippen. Jordan was the shot taker while pippen did the small important things that jordan didn’t even do
Jordan needed Pippen because it is a team sport and you need a good team. This apply to every player but Jordan was far more valuable to Bulls than Pippen. People tend to think of NBA as a one man sport, it is not. It's a team sport and one player cannot win the championship by themselves. Everyone needs great teammates to win. The question becomes how valuable you are to your team and whether you can help the team win the championship. To me Jordan was way more valuable to the Bulls than Pippen was. It was not even a debate. However they needed each other to win championship, just like Shaq needed Kobe and Wade and Kobe needed Shaq and Pau Gasol, or Lebron needed Wade and Bosh and Kyrie and Anthony Davis. You need other players to help you win. It depends on how much value you add to the team.@@KlikQuot
@@faruquekhan3353 fact is jordan didn’t do shit without pippen
Well obviously, just like Pippen didn't do anything without Jordan. And Jordan played really 2 seasons without Pippen so I have no idea what you are talking about? Jordan played his rookie years and sophomore year he was injured and played only 18 games and he played 3rd year, than the Bulls got Pippen. And the first 3 years together they could not win championship but eventually they won the championship.@@KlikQuot
i really dont think The Last Dance portrayed Scottie as bad as he seems to believe. In fact there are many occasions where Jordan explicitly says I couldn't win without Scottie or there's no one I'd rather have by my side than Scottie. At times he was hyper critical but that's the point, it shows how much Mike needed scottie so when he was out for whatever reason it was inevitably gonna make Mike's job harder. He really shot himself in the foot going on that "revenge tour" afterwards
I guarantee that nothing MJ had to say and or did say in that Last Dance Documentary was shocking or new information that MJ previously hadn’t or wouldn’t have said directly to Scottie’s face.
You’re 100% on point with your assessment that MJ being hyper critical was a reflection of his disappointment about being left to carry that load alone; no doubt about it.
Scottie has definitely hurt himself with his recent bitterness/ hate directed against MJ/ MJ’s legacy… Scottie has lost a whole lot of credibility and respect.
It’s just sad.
He was already crazy when just a few years ago he accused Phil Jackson of being racist for picking Toni Kukoc to take the clutch shot against the Knicks in the '94 playoffs. Phil didn't even say anything bad about him in the documentary.
Pippen developed faster, and reached stardom quicker with Michael's presence there to deflect the pressure off him. That being said, he was destined for stardom, and at peak overall was just a notch below Drexler overall (stronger defender, but more limited offensively).
Kyrie 2016 Finals vs any version of Scottie Pippen..
Google it
Drexler was clearly a better player than Pippen, if not much better.
It wasn't just Jordan being there to deflect pressure off of him, but also Jordan working with him to help him with his game. If Pippen had never been drafted to the Bulls, who knows where his career would've went. I don't think anyone aside from Jerry Krause was even looking at him for the draft, but I could be wrong.
@@davidmartinez52420 Jordan was called the best basketball player ever before Pippen was drafted.
@@furiogiunta7886no he was not what are you smoking he wasn’t even considered a top 20 player
Scottie's Bulls playoffs as second: 18.1 PTS; 7.7 RB; 5.2 AST; 1.9 STL; 1 BLK; 2.9 TO; 3.3 FL on 44.9%, 30.3% and 71.8%
MJ's as primary focus of opponents: 33.4 PTS; 6.4 RB; 5.7 AST; 2.1 STL; 0.9 BLK; 3.1 TO; 3 FL on 48.7%, 33.2% and 82.8%
I like Scottie a lot, but he's a #2 for sure, not a 1B. A player that developed around the GOAT and benefited from his gravity.
And sometimes he wasn’t the second best player, it was Horace Grant ( like in 1992).
in 98 finals PIPPEN got injured and it was JORDAN who carried them.
And BULLS still won most of the games in 98 without PIPPEN..
Perfectly put. Pippen was a Robin he was not a 1B like Kobe with Shaq or the case with Magic and Kareem, or Durant and Steph. Not every championship team will have two superstars that are 1a and 1b. For example with Spurs Duncan was batman and others played Robin roles like Parker and Ginobli.
That goat has zero rings without pip so there's that
@@faruquekhan3353clearly he was cause mf couldn't guard magic or bird that was pippen job btw without pippen 0 rings sound 1b to me
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Why didn't Pippen step up in the 97 Finals with the game in the balanced 2-2 and Jordan was sick?
That was the perfect time for Pippen to step up and put the Bulls in his shoulders and lead the way.
Back and foot injuries messed Pippen up that year (1997) in the playoffs.
And that was kind of the beginning of the end for his prime athleticism, too.
He injured his back at the end of game 3 in the first round against the Bullets and then he messed up his foot against the Heat in the ECF that same year.
That foot injury is also the injury that caused him to need surgery and ultimately miss a bunch of the 97-98 season (although it was also because Pippen didn't get surgery in the off-season).
And that back injury from the Bullets would pop up every now and again, too (Game 6 in the 1998 finals is probably the most well-known example of this).
Why Jordan couldn't win shit til pip came😂😂
@Wolvesnation when Pippen arrived the Bulls was still losing lol.
Pippen drafted in 87 but they didn't win until 91.
Isiah Thomas brags about being 3-1 against Jordan and guess who was playing alongside Jordan???? Pippen so remind me again what did the Bulls win when Pippen arrived?
Also Pippen didn't even start his rookie year and the Bulls went 50-32 3rd seed all this with Pippen coming off the bench averaging 7.9 ppg and he wasn't even the 6th man lol.
Nice try though. Go study up fella because when u REACH I TEACH lol
Just goes to show you how great Michael was that the majority of these “Scottie saves the day“ games have Jordan performing just a slight hair behind Scottie.
Yep, Scottie over performing on some nights while MJ having an average night.
Why did Jordan get dissed this whole video?
Scottie has exactly one (1) career 30 point game in the NBA Finals.. 1991 he scored 31
Scoring wasn't generally his job, and this was in no way "dissing" mj. Are you 12..? @@KaineTremaine
The numbers he put up in these games were a lot more than a hair better..
@user-cn8nu6lq4w Jordan got disrespected throughout the entirety of the whole video. With only a couple of weak compliments tossed in.
Maybe you need to listen to the commentary a second time.
- Even the title was disrespect.. "OUTSHINED Michael Jordan" .. as if Jordan isn't allowed an occasional helping hand while in title runs.
Pippin didn't break MJ 3pt record . The record was for the first half not the game. Game 5 of the Lakers series was dominated by Jordan's passing down the stretch. Vs the Knicks in 1993 everyone seems to forget that Jordan had 2 injuries on his shooting hand
Incorrect, the record was for the Half AND the game. Game record was tied, half record was exclusively MJ’s.
@@jonnyarnettso Pippen broke the NBA finals and Bulls record for most 3 in a finals game? While Jordan still has the most in a finals half. Crazy thing is Curry almost tied MJ record in 2022 with 6 in the first quarter(also first half( but holds the record for most in the first qt and 9 in a finals game in 2018 is the most lol
@@jonnyarnett Scottie didn't set a record tied the record at 7
@jonnyarnett yall keep saying Pippen doesn't get his credit but Pippen was on the 92 Dream Team, Top 50 Player and Ultimately a Hall of Famer.
Seems like all the respect to me. Especially since he was able to be on the Dream Team and a top 50 player over Dominique.
Funny how I never hear anyone going out there way to give credit to James Worthy, Kevin McHale or even Dwayne Wade lol.
@@g24deez Dwyane Wade doesn’t get any credit when he’s UNIVERSALLY viewed as the third best SG of all time? homie GTFO. just because you’re literally circle of friends or the basketball forums don’t talk about McHale or Worthy or Wade doesn’t mean the rest of us don’t. Jonny has literally made videos about all of them. everyone talks about McHales torture chamber and amazing defensive skills. everyone talks about Worthy being an amazing finisher and a great clutch player. i don’t even need to bring up Wade because he retired like 5 years ago and still is reminded of his greatness. nice try though. YOU REACH I TEACH. isn’t that what you say?
Scottie was that dude and this video is a great tribute to him..
Magic and Bird were never forced to carry the type of load that Jordan had to with Pippen's inconsistency during the Bulls' second 3peat. Could Magic or Bird have ever won NBA championships with their best teammate playing as horribly as Pippen? I doubt it. Sure, Magic had a great performance in Game 6 of the 1980 Finals with Kareem sitting out, but he was helped a lot by Jamaal Wilkes 37 point effort.
Jordan won regardless, even if his best teammate played horrible in 1997 and 1998. Thats something Magic, Bird, Kareem, Lebron, Kobe, etc can't say. They never singlehandedly carried their team and consistently took over big games to decide the NBA Finals while their second/third options of Magic/Kareem/Worthy, McHale/Maxwell/Johnson, Wade/Bosh, or Gasol played as horribly as Pippen did in several series of the Bulls' last 3peat.
Yawn smooth brain
Pippen's under-performance was just sometimes too glaring to overlook tho. He choked in G7 of 90 ECF. He refused to set Kukoc up with 1.8 sec left in G3 of 94 ECSF. He was about to miss 95 playoff until his "horrible teammate" Jordan returned to right the ship (so much for being MVP candidate just a season ago). He went 5-17 in Jordan's flu game when Jordan desperately needed help. He choked 13-pt lead away yet again in G7 of 00 WCF. His G7 90 ECF and G7 00 WCF were among the biggest chokes in NBA playoff history.
He had a migraine in the '90 ECF. So I wouldn't count that as a choke.
He also missed 35 games in 97-98 and the Bulls still went 62-20.
@@Cain353that's WHY it was a choke
I think the issue with Pippen is that you weren't sure what version you were going to get.
I think the biggest impact Pippen had on Jordan (and vice versa) came from the two of them guarding each other in practice for over a decade. Both had great defense, and a lot of that developed over countless reps going up against each other every day. Jordan was already scary, but going up against one of the best defenders in the league every day is going to pay off huge in games. And Pippen became the player he was because of it as well. If you are guarding the best player in the league in practice, stopping the other teams stud is going to look easy. I'm not saying Pippen made Jordan, but Jordan might not have been as good without 33 on his side. I think the biggest thing holding Pippen back in a lot of conversations is that he just wasn't as competitive as a Jordan. If he had more of that drive, he might have been an even better player, and the Bulls might have been more dominant, which is really scary.
I think the best bit of data we have on what Pippen would be without Jordan is the season and a half he played without Jordan between the 3peats. A lot of people like to talk about how the Bulls had almost the same record the following season but a lot of people don't like to talk about the struggles the bulls were having the year after that before Jordan came back. They were hovering around .500 and were having consistency issues. Jordan came back and they went on a 13-4. Pippen lost a good chunk of that first championship team going into that season and it showed that Pippen struggled to win without them.
I think Pippen without Jordan is a limited offensive player/legendary defender that needs a specific team/system built around him to maximize his strengths to be competitive. Jordan without Pippen is still the best player in the world and can get slotted in on almost any team in any system in any era and he is going instantly make that team better and he is going to thrive because his skillset complemented almost any playstyle you could think of. Pair him with any other star of his era, regardless of position they play, and they're going to be ultra competitive and I think you'll see similar results.
👌perfectly said
Also to add, the 93-94 season was not the same 92-93 team minus Jordan. They added Tony Kukoc that year, also added Luc Longley late in that season. BJ Armstrong was an all-star that season. The regular season record was similar to the year before, but they were nowhere close to winning the title that year. Playoffs was MJ's playground, where he eats his lunch. This is the same reason why Kevin Durant joined a 73-9 Warriors team and their record became 67-15, it doesn't mean they were a worse team, regular season is regular season. Playoffs tells the real story.
Great examples, Jonny! Scottie was a great player. I agree with the Nightwing analogy that august6281 made. Jordan is the GOAT, but Pippen was absolutely integral to the Bulls' succes and a star himself. So, I agree with you that he wasn't as great as MJ but also should not be discounted either.
Hope you have a nice weekend.
Game 3 of the 1991 Finals, Jordan was forced to take over after Pippen fouled out and put Divac at the line for an And-1. With the Lakers up 2 and only 11 seconds left in the 4th quarter, Jordan led the Bulls to a 14-4 run (scoring 8 points and assisting on 2 baskets to Paxson + Grant) after Pippen fouled out right before OT in Game 3, 1991 Finals. Pippen played very well in that game before fouling out (19-14-5-4), but Jordan still got it done when he had to with Pippen sitting out.
Great video 💯💯🤙🏾. We've already seen what they both were like w/o each other to answer your ? 😅. They're like PB&J, they BOTH compliment each other really well & bring out the best in one another. That's the best way to put it for now 😂😂🫡
Jordan didn't have Hakeem & Barkley Rockets or a stacked Portland team that made the WCF the yr before without Pippen. Jordan played on provety franchises without Pippen.
@@sideshowbobsaget8876 Regarding the 2000 WCF, Pippen joined a Blazers team that already made the 1999 WCF in the previous year without Pippen.
You must remember what MJ said that without Scottie he may not have won championships, though I believe he would and if he went team hopping like LeBron he could have won more.
At one time when receiving his finals MVP he took Scottie by his side and proclaimed they should be co MVPs that's how Jordan respects and loves Scottie, a dear friend and a brother but too much jealousy & bitterness destroys everything. MJ made Scottie, Jordan will still be Jordan but Scottie will never be who he is without MJ.
If MJ would’ve team hopped and built superteams he probably would’ve won 10 championships
This lebron team hooping narrative is stupid. Why would MJ ever team hop if his team was the one to beat , and the front office gave him good players. Lebron went to Miami because in Cleveland 7-8 years they didn’t give him anyone good. He went back to Cleveland because he wanted to win a chip with his team, and they were not absolute favorites. He went to lakers when they had no one who was an all star. People don’t give MJs teammates enough credit for their contributions
I’ll disagree with you that Jordan will still be Jordan without scottie. Without him , he wouldn’t have won as many rings and Jordan was Jordan because of his double 3-peat that’s his crowning achievement . He would be more like a better version of jerry west , or elgin baylor
smh at most of those games being non pressure blowout wins and 97 finals game 3 they lost, pippen was a hell of a player but man its so many games pippen dissapeared in the 4th quarters its really laughable
I'm just wondering where's the AD in the bubble video.
Where's the Kyrie 2016 video?
D Wade?
I was an adult when the bulls started winning, Scottie was not on Jordan’s level. This is a ridiculous conversation only had with children who weren’t around then.
Pippen was HUGELY important to their success and my second favorite player all time, but come on now.
Pip just can't score consistently. Especially without Jordan
Not sure if Pippen ever drew a double team lol
Go and watch actual games from 94-95. Regular season and playoffs. He drew plenty of double teams. And his offence was on point. Without actually watching a season full of games there is no ground to comment on it. he scored consistently no problems. Late 40% FG is pretty fine. It’s actually better than kobes fyi. He just didnt take more than 17 shots per game ever.
@martinsimek boy stop it 21 points being his highest ever. That's a second option. Dude can't avg 25. That's consistent. Nor does he hit clutch shots as we saw in Portland... Stop it
Pippen's game complimented Jordan's game. It was more than just stats. They fed off each other and it was beautiful to watch. As Jordan said you can't mention his name unless you mention Pippen's.
Jonny Arnett always has unique and entertaining topics that always get me hooked whether it is the regular season or not.
Jordan fans never want to hear about Jordan being outshined or outplayed. And the hate is more extreme now because Pippen has a problem with Jordan. He wasn't the best or the go to player, be he was their most important player. He covered up Jordan's short comings, especially in being a team leader. No Bulls player has anything negative about Pippen, can't say the same about hindering Jordan.
You're beyond delusional if you thinking Pippen was the team leader anywhere close to Jordan.
Pippen was the "den mother" who let guys cry on his shoulder when Jordan applied hard coaching.
- They made certain to show us those examples in The Last Dance.
Den mothers aren't leaders of championship teams.
well as the #2 option your job is to pick up the slack if the #1 guy is having an off night.
This video shows how consistent Jordan was lol
Lol. True
From 1986-1990 in the playoffs, Michael Jordan averaged 40/7/7 on 53-36-85, 61% TS against everyone other than the Pistons (and their "Jordan Rules" defense)... and he still averaged 30/7/6 on 47-27-81, 56% TS against them.
included the Bulls' team TS% in all series so you can see how little teammate support he had. And remember, team TS% includes his own scoring, so really his supporting cast's TS% was even lower.
the Bulls shot 51% TS against the Cavs in '88, but Jordan shot 63% TS (on 45 ppg), his teammates shot 44% TS (on 57 ppg combined). So he scored 44% of his team's points, on +19% above their efficiency.
Fun fact: he did not have an 11 ppg scoring teammate in that series. His two double digit scoring teammates averaged 10.8 and 10.6, on 51% and 49% TS respectively. That series is probably the greatest one man carry ever.
@@jonnyarnett Game 2, 1991 NBA Finals- Michael Jordan’s 1st career Finals win: 33 Points, 13 Assists, A SPECTACULAR MOVE
@@jonnyarnett Game 1, 1992 NBA Finals- Michael Jordan: 35 First Half Points, 6 Three-Pointers, and 1 Shrug
😂😂😂😂 when pippen had the balls and Manscaped promo
Great video, loved Scotties game. Great defender, reliable scorer
Pippen has exactly 1 career 30 point game in the NBA Finals.. ever
Dude, Jordan’s record for 3 pointers in a finals game was for a half, not the whole game. Jordan hit 6 threes in the FIRST half!
Thank you so much for this video. I watched so many Bulls games, and Pip more than a few times carried them.
Pippen has 1 career 30 point game in the NBA Finals.. ever
Now check out Jordan's series against every other defense in that timespan:
1986 ECFR (Celtics): 44/6/6 on 51-100-87%, 58% TS (Bulls shot 52% TS as a team)
1987 ECFR (Celtics): 36/7/6 on 42-40-90%, 53% TS (Bulls shot 52% TS as a team)
1988 ECFR (Cavs): 45/5/5 on 56-92%, 63% TS (Bulls shot 51% TS as a team)
1989 ECFR (Cavs): 40/6/8 on 52-40-82%, 60% TS (Bulls shot 52% TS as a team)
1989 ECSF (Knicks): 36/10/8 on 55-31-82%, 65% TS (Bulls shot 59% TS as a team)
1990 ECFR (Bucks): 37/8/7 on 54-17-77%, 60% TS (Bulls shot 58% TS as a team)
1990 ECSF (Sixers): 43/7/7 on 55-39-85%, 62% TS (Bulls shot 57% TS as a team)
No he didnt smooth brain
thanks Johnny for this video. Scottie Pippen is a great player and his contribution to the Bulls' legacy was properly acknowledged by MJ himself during his HOF speech.
Overrated
Jordan also went 26-12 (0.684 win%) without Pippen in the 97/98 season, and this was after the Bulls slow 9-7 start. The Bulls went on a 15-4 run without Pippen after that start, so they would have had an even higher win% without Pippen, the same way the Bulls started 4-7 without Jordan (but with Kukoc and Kerr) in 1993/94 but ended with 55 wins.
1995/96 season
MJ = 5-0 without Pippen
MJ = 15-3 without Rodman
MJ always gives Pip his flowers
Jordan made Pippen, without Jordan pippen, doesn't exist 😬
Phil Jackson was the Robin of that team.
Tex Winter was Alfred.
Pippen was a batarang. One of many tools in the utility belt.
If you put Pippen on any other decent team, he's winning rings.
@user-cn8nu6lq4w He was too soft, kid. You probably don't remember that though😬
As a huge chicago bulls fan that followed the team as closely as possible since MJ rookie season and am a huge MJ and Pippen fan I can honestly say Scottie did receive the proper amount of credit and ever since his book and all his crazy interviews have come out to me their's been a change in how we view his career in order to meet a certain fan base that would like nothing more than to try and diminish MJ legacy by uplifting Scottie's. The fact is Scottie was not the player he became when he first entered the league his first 3yrs where abysmal I clearly remembered interviews by teammates and coaches talking about how MJ would go after Pippen in practice and how management repeatedly asked MJ to slow it down. Have Pippen just showed up in 89 and 90 against the pistons we might be looking at 7 or maybe even 8 championships instead of 6 Pippen in 2 elimination games he gave a whooping 10 pt combined Pippen had his moments of course just how this video has shown but their was a clear reason why in the 90's the chicago bulls where actually being called Jordan and the jordanears Pippen to me in some ways today is overrated while back then I would say he got his just due.
IF (I know terrible word) but IF Pip hadn’t signed that long contract then it’s possible The Bulls may have been broken up sooner.
Jerry R’s statement in 98 about it costing too much to keep the team together may have been applicable in 94/95.
MJ’s 93 retirement also prevented that happening, or at least caused it to happen in such a way that he was able to come back in 95.
I agree, Pip wanted to get paid as he deserved it, if he had a shorter contract he would def have left for a max deal someplace else. Bulls would only have 2-3 championships.
meadowlark lemon is the goat.
Pippen was amazing, but he tarnished his legacy with his antics at different stages, such as while MJ was gone and off the court with his contract gripes and trade requests - and also now being bitter in general.
How come The Last Last Fsnce Documentary dod not talk about any of these gsmes?
TLD kept the myth about Pippen being Magic primary defender in the 91-Finals. TLD made it seem like the Bulls were struggling without Pippen in 97-98 when they had the best record in the East. Stop crying Pippen got plenty of love.
3:55 hold on. I had to pause the video after that to let that soak in. 62pts and 10 steals between Jordan and Pippen. In one game. That's crazy!!!
Ummmm! Last time I checked MJ said he didn't win anything without Scottie Pippen!
When you are not the main man on the team it is a lot easier to do great things when defense are not focused on you. Just take Jordan Poole as an example. Not only him but a lot of guards playing along side Steph curry got big paychecks coz they looked great playing alongside Steph but can't hear about them anymore once they left the team
Exactly. And Pippen wasn't a point forward. He occasionally brought the ball up, but Chicago ran the triangle, so everyone was assisting
Please do this for Kobe with Shaq, Steph with KD and Dwade with Lebron
Every 'Bronny talked up Pippen's 94 season to bash Jordan while ignoring how poorly Pippen performed in 95 season. First of all, Pippen's 94 season was not as great as they claimed. Prior to 94, Bulls won 12 playoff series in a row on their way to a 3-peat. In 94 under Pippen's leadership, they won 1 and then got eliminated by Knicks. From 12 in a row to 1 and done. I say the differences are NOTICEABLE. Then in 95 Pippen was in all sorts of troubles. The team was on the verge of missing playoffs. Pippen wanted to be traded away for better contracts so he caused chemistry problems in locker room. He had off-court legal problems with his fiancée... you name it.
During the same period there's this guy Reggie Miller from the same division who's also a lone star on his Pacers. Reggie took his Pacers to ECF in back to back seasons, clearly better performance than Pippen, and yet no one talked about it. Reggie proved he's a better leader than Pippen. Pippen ain't even as good as Reggie when he's given the #1 option. It's playing alongside Jordan that elevated his historical place.
He has outshined jordan a bunch of times which is really a great thing for your teammate to do. I’m always happy when Scottie Pippen outshines Michael Jordan. That shows you that Michael Jordan has some great help. There are 3 games that they both score 37 points apiece against Boston, Atlanta and Phoenix. What about the game when they both scored over 40 together? What about the game when Pippin had 47 and Jordan had 24? What about the game when Pippin had 41 and Michael Jordan had 24? What about the game when Pippin had 43 and Michael Jordan had 29? Yeah many other games similar to that with Pippin bailed out jordan in clutch moments. Joel never complained. He just wanted to win and know that he had somebody that complemented him and helping him get to that stage of winning.
Pippen was a glue guy. If they needed him to defend he would, if he needed to play make, he would. Likewise rebound, score, lead. The definition of a team player.
Pippen did not outshine Jordan in game 5 of the 1991 finals. Sure, his 32/13/7/5/1 is slightly better than Jordan's 30/4/10/5/2, but Jordan is the one who led the team down the stretch, either scoring or playmaking. Not to mention that Jordan was the one who guarded Magic the entire game(did a good job with Magic shooting 33.3%, but Magic still ended up with 20 assists), while Pippen's assigment(Worthy) was hurt and he had to guard the likes of Perkins,Green and Terry Teagle. Jonny was also disingenuous about about game 6 of the ECF in 1992. Pippen was the best player in the first 3 quarters, but Jordan went crazy in the 4th and led them to victory with a bunch of clutch baskets in a very close game. In game 2 of the ECSF against the Cavs in 1993, Pippen was the best player. However, that's the game Jordan injured his wrist so badly he started shooting with his left hand, until he had to leave the game still in the 3rd quarter. He was probably on his way to another 30pt+ game.
Yeah. Johnny's joining the "overrate Pippen to downplay Jordan" train that so many content creators do.
Pip is my fave player.
It's sad he came from Robin -> Nightwing -> "DICK" Grayson.
So, basically Pippen was an awesome number 2 who in 3-4 games out of a hundred had marginally better stats. Sounds a bout how I remember it as a Bulls fan. Love Pippen for exactly who he was.
Awesome tho? lol Awesome at riding coattails
@@KaineTremaine Ya, every batman needs a robin and Pip was great as a robin. Hard to find better number two men than great defense, great ball handling, and just enough offense to shoulder a little of Jordan's burden. Pip couldn't have gotten it done and did not as a batman.
@@johnjackson229be quiet sidekick
@@NoNameWillBeGiven-sj2ib What? Who are you?
@@johnjackson229 i said be quiet
I think overall Pip is under-rated by others outside of Jordan and some teammates. But over-rated by himself and Jordan haters.
People forget its a team sport..Jordan needed Pippen to win....Shaq needed Kobe and Wade to win..Kobe needed Shaq and Pau to win...Lebron needed Wade Bosh Kyrie Love AD to win...its a team sport
Yes Pippen wouldnt be the effective underrated hall of famer today. See Micheal aways said he couldn't win the 6 championnships without Scottie. He never claim he was the goat especially after the Wilt convo. At the 50th greatest players celebration. Thank you Johnny for another great Video. 🖤
Of all those Pip was only arguably better than MJ in 1-2 games the rest they performed equally. That’s no knock on Pip but keeping it for real
Salute 🫡
I think Scottie was a great #2 and a Robin to MJ the Batman, but you listed a bunch of single events he was better, but this was over over a decade together, MJ was far superior
Kudos. However, the difference between MJ and LeBron is that MJ has ALWAYS said he couldn't have done it without Scottie. Whereas LeBron has ALWAYS said he did it HIMSELF and has NEVER given the proper credit to his teammates. Of course, LeBron has ALWAYS blamed somebody else when he's lost (and, to be fair, he's lost a lot).
Great video. I appreciated Pip growing up. I think Pip wouldve been great competition for MJ if drafted by another team. Groomed properly, he couldve been just as great as MJ, winning a couple chips in the process.
Jordan with any competent player is still the goat . Pippen without Jordan would be an unknown person.
Like you always say. Context is important. Pippen only ever had a better offensive game than Jordan because all the attention was on Jordan and none on Pippen.
What do you think about what I think about while thinking?
Scottie did his role at his highest level. Even with Portland he had the swag over his teammates and in the play offs he showed he was the goat against Utah. His over all talent puts him above other players and they knew it. Whenever he led then I’ll without Jordan he ran a total different pace where his teammates seem to step up at the moment and they played less stressed and weary. With Kukoc, Harper and Rodman you could see how Scottie got the Bulls involved in the game to win. He is the man and I must admit he is my player. I followed his career and watched him from 1987 to the end. My goat!
Be quiet sidekick
Make a video on the 1998 Indiana Pacers. They came so close to beating the Bulls and ruining the last dance.
My Pacers!.. still took a beating in game 7
Ayo everytime @jonnyarnett drops a vid, @Andyhoops drops a vid. I'm around for it
Scottie Pippen was incredible and back then teams played defense so as they pound on Jordan double and triple teamed him Pippen has plenty of opportunities to come through and thank god he did.
Yawn
Jordan’s record was making 6 three’s in a single half not just in a game!! I wouldn’t say Pippen outshined MJ when they hit close to the same numbers in most of your examples. Matching and outshining are NOT the same.
So many disrespectful comments aimed at Jordan in this dumb video
If MJ and Scottie didn't have each other neither of them would have 6
They needed each other, same as any championship team, when one is having an off night the other picks up the slack. We still see it to this day🤷
Nope, Pippen needed Jordan
Next do when kobe outshined shaq in their runs since everyone always says kobe was carried
I'm one of these people. Because I had season tickets between 1989 1993..Scottie dominated games like Bird Magic Shaq and Air Jordan....He only grew as a player by 1994. Scottie speaks facts about never getting the last second shot to win games ...He made a ton of shots w 2mins or less remaining but the last second shot always went to MJ.....so Pip couldnt develop the confidence ...
No. Be quiet sidekick
People really underplay those Bulls, saying MJ 'only' had one other all-star player.
But Pippen wasn't just an all-star. He was also a 1st team all-NBA player, AND regularly 1st team all-defense, as many times as Jordan. Phil Jackson and other Bulls coaches talked about how Pippen covered up any defensive lapses, including when Jordan gambled for a steal and didn't get it. Pippen usually led the team in assists, as a point forward type, while typically taking on the hardest defensive assignment.
Then you had Rodman as a constant all-defense team pick (2x DPOY, earlier), and leading the league in rebounds and offensive rebounds for many consecutive years. Steve Kerr, the all-time 3pt career percentage leader. The best Euro player in Toni. The best Australian player.
It was basically an unrecognized super team. Taking only Pippen alone, what other great player besides Jordan had the luxury of having a consistent all-NBA player and all-defense team player for so many years?
So when Jordan said he would not keep playing unless Pippen played with him, you understand what he meant.
Michael Jordan's stats in the 1991,1992 and 1993 NBA Finals
Stats
Michael Jordan stats in those finals were 36.2 PPG, 7.8 APG, 6.6 RPG on 52% from the field and 42% from 3.
'91 Lakers were 5th in defense.
'92 Blazers were 3rd in defense.
'93 Suns were 9th in defense.
Jordan without pippen is ringless... Pippen without Jordan is ringless
Jordan is the alpha, nice try
Anyone who was being fair in the argument would rate Scottie properly. I think it's just in the last few years takes on social media got out of hand. And on top of that Scottie himself started spewing outrageous narratives that ate up any sympathy that was out there
What is the proper rating? Top 50? Top 20?
@@sideshowbobsaget8876 as time goes on 20 is probably too high. As players like Durant, Joker, etc keep racking up accolades he probably slides more towards the 30-ish range. IMO once you get out of the top 10 you're almost arguing semantics and preference anyway
@@jonnykilroy9762 I don't think Pippen was ever top considered top 20. But I agree and say between top 30-40 all-time.
Somehow every bad Jordan game he still averaged like 25 8 and 8 and 5 steals
During Pippens prime he was first team all NBA and first team all defense in the same season three times. Doesn't sound like a lot but when you consider only eleven players in NBA history have actually done this more than three times and that list is a who's who of all time great players. Kobe, Jordan, Duncan, Lebron, Giannis, Dwight, KG, Hakeem, David Robinson, Walt Frazier and Jerry West are the only people to do that more times than Pippen. So he was a superstar player 100%. You could argue that with his own team he'd have made more first team all NBA selections as he'd have stood out more as the main guy. Two of his selections came the two years MJ left to play baseball. 94-96 Scottie was a top 5 player in the league for sure.
I have a lot of respect for Pippen. He wasn't as good as Jordan, but he could have been the first option on an extremely good team. He chose instead to backup Jordan, and won the bulls 6 rings. I don't think Jordan could have done that. If there was a hypothetical better player than MJ active in the 90's, I don't think MJ would have been able to back that guy.
Pip is way underrated. When MJ left he was on fire. If they built a team around him like they do to stars these days, he would have brought more rings.
Pippen was good, but not great, that's actually gave MJ & the Bulls benefit, Pippen knows it well too, until recently
So sad that he talk about MJ like that, when MJ always give him praised, every time he can do it
Still best duo in my life
Putting Scottie on Magic in that Finals was their key to success.
Pippen only guarded Magic in game two because Jordan got into foul trouble in the 1st quarter. Other than that Jordan guarded Magic majority of the Finals Series.
Pippen had his hands full guarding James Worthy who had a bum ankle lol.
i loved scottie pippen i use to sit an long for him to be a consistent 20 point scorer
Thank you for this video. Scottie Pippen is the most under appreciated NBA player of all time.. (Thanks to all of the Jordan fans, just to win a G.O.A.T debate) They talk as if it was just Michael doing all of the winning himself 😅🤦🏽♂️
Pippen has exactly 1 career 30 point game in the NBA Finals.. ever
MJ without Scottie Pippen would still be the greatest individual Player since Wilt,Kareem. MJ came to the league fully formed as he led league in scoring in rookie year and was great defensively too. And it only got crazier from there beforvSvotyie got to the Bulls and continued all the way to 98.
Not so with Scottie.
Scottie would not be the Scottie we know without MJ. Let’s be serious Arnett🙂
They needed each other. Period.
7:48 the Magic won 60 games not 64
No team has ever three-peated without at least two legitimate star players. MJ is the goat. Scottie was good enough to be the best player on most teams in the league. I'm not sure why any part of that is hard for some people to accept.
I don't accept that at all..
Scottie hid in Jordan's shadow of leadership. Scottie depended on Jordan to continuously score the tough shots.
- When was Pippen ever double teamed?
He definitely put work in in them games but the other games is Jordan so what pippen did go always get overlooked especially when u look at they playoff stats in them six championship playoff games
To many people downplay scottie pippen contributions during their championship runs
Tbh, MJ rated Pippen high and that’s all that matters.
legend of time & space... PG skills with C wingspan and could dunk from FT line, could compete with LeBron in a head-to-head match up... i always thought Pippen was as good as the other Finals teams best player (Magic, Drexler, Barkley, Kemp, Karl Malone)... his team outscored Knicks in '94 playoffs & '00 Lakers, both tough losses... fax!!!
I didn’t watch the video but I can say that headline was crazy. MJ gave pippen his flowers every time he could and pippen shine bright as hell next to MJ ! It’s disappointing to hear pippen talk that way but I still respect his game. He is an all time great but not the greatest ever!
Michael Jordan has said it himself. You cannot say Michael Jordan without Scottie Pippen.
He made Pippen
Just wanna help the video
What about Scottie's 47 vs Denver Nuggets in 1997?
This video is only talking about Playoff games. It would be A LOT longer if it included regular season performances
What about Jordan having 12 assist in that same game? Lol
Game 7 of the 1990 ECF, Jordan had a near triple double of 31-9-8 on 48%, and simultaneously held Isiah Thomas to 41% shooting. Jordan's teammates on the other hand did not play so well.
Pippen had 2 pts, 4 rebs, and 2 ast on 10% shooting
Grant had 10 pts on 3-17 (18%)
Hodges had 8 pts on 23%
Cartwright had 6 pts on 33.3%
Armstrong had 2 pts on 12.5%
Every other teammate was a benchwarmer playing in garbage time
The Pistons' Dennis Rodman, who is an almost exclusively defensive player, outscored every single one of Jordan's teammates with 13 pts on 6-7 shooting.
@@jonnyarnett A look back at Michael Jordan’s first win in the Finals, and his record 13 consecutive made field goals (a record that still stands).
Two things can be true. Jordan was the GOAT and when it came down to crisis time, of course you wanted the ball in his hands. Of course it was his team and he was the man, superman. But at the same time Pip was an absolute beast and one of the best teammates you could ever have. Of course Pip complicates things by his silly antics post retirement.