What if Japan Lost the Russo-Japanese War?
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- čas přidán 30. 06. 2024
- In today's video we explore what would have happened had Japan lost the Russo-Japanese war, allowing Russia to become a superpower. If you enjoy the content make sure to like, subscribe and share as it helps out the channel a ton.
I tried to make this scenario more fun-centered and less realism-centered so please let me know your thoughts on this style of content
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The Entente are missing Great Britain, the USA, Belgium, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Portugal, the enitre Naval Blockade of Germany. Japan even beeing on the Central Powers, yet Germany lost in 1916? Their is a difference between alternate History and Fantasy.
Most of the Anglosphere actually didn't change the outcome of the war. The UK helped massively with the naval blockade and economic support, but that's all.
@@zazr83 What? Britain and its Dominions have estimated casualties of 900.000, to compare this, France had 1.350.000 estimated casualties. Brititsh and Canadian Troops were especially at the start of the war considered, one of the best performing ones. So Britain + Dominions were almost as engaged as France on the ground. The naval blockade did break Germany in the end, because they lacked vital ressources.
Britian was the strongest financial power, paying for American Arms, Germany now would be able to buy in this timeline.
Britains Air force was vital.
Britain invented tanks.
Britain kept the Germany Navy in Check, the German navy could have challenged the French one, although this would have been close.
US troops were the ones holding the lines in the final German offensive.
BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY. Germany kicked Russia out of the war, even with Great Britain etc. in the war. Russia collapsed, and you are telling me that owning a bit of underdeveloped land in Asia would have changed all that?
In the video the war ended in 1917 but the timeline towards the end was a bit unclear so sorry for the confusion
Secondly, though Japan may have been on the Central Powers, their contribution was next to zero. Sure, they may have occupied Korea and a little bit of Manchuria but I doubt that would affect the Russian war effort
Now, in this timeline, Germany attempts to first knockout Russia and then focus on the "weaker" French
Of course, since the majority of the German army was on the Eastern Front, the French would have an easier time pushing through the border and into the Rhineland. A counter-argument can be made that the fortifications were basically impossible to break through and though I do agree with that, I still think France would find some way around it - likely forcing Belgium to break neutrality and join the Entente and pull a reversed-Schlieffen Plan. The British, seeing this move, wouldn't join the Central Powers but would be disappointed at the Entente, which would render them completely neutral.
In the video, it is shown the Germany makes similar progress as it did in our timeline but that was a mistake on my end. I originally wanted to show them reaching near the gates of Kyiv but that part of the script ended up shorter than excepted and the video turned out the way it did
So, as a result of the French capturing the Rhineland completely by late 1916, soon German war capabilities would slowly start to collapse, and the Russians would see major gains which would boost troop moral. Thus, the revolutions are avoided and Russia remains an Empire.
That's really the explanation I could give, and before I close off, I don't completely reject that the Central Powers would win. Obviously, there are many possibilities, from the French deciding that it's not worth to force Belgium into the Entente, to Britain threatening the Entente after the French push through Belgium to a lot of over possibilities. Any of these would obviously lead with the Central Powers victory, but it's really difficult to say for sure really. I hope this explains better my though process with the scenario and why I think this outcome - though not fully - is somewhat realistic and is not just fantasy
@@munchkin7508 That's exactly why I said "most of the Anglosphere" and then said that the Brits helped massively.
And no, the French actually were already starting to push the Germans when the Americans came.
Also, Russia, in this video, would've been ready for this war quicker as they wouldn't had to rebuild their army. Plus Russia actually could've been able to basically knock out the Austro-Hungarians extremely quickly had they focused their attack on them. This, without their full army ready (as it should've been fully operational in 1917 irl).
So yeah, with luck and poor decisions from the Central powers, it's not so insane to say that this war would've been winnable for the Entente had the Russians win the Russo-Japanese war.
@zazr83 Britain had almost as many troops in France as France, the second biggest force in the balkans after Serbia and easily the biggest force in the middle east, over 3× what Russia had, the next closest force and the blockade is what beat Germany. Not to mention Britain did the majority of the work capturing German colonies. Britain carried ww1
How does Russia winning against Japan somehow cause them to beat Germany in WW1 despite being the focus of the German war effort and not having Britain on their side? Makes absolutely no sense for Germany to do so much worse against Russia despite the massive advantages given to them in this timeline.
The map frames were lower than I initially expected, I wanted to show the Germans reaching the gates of Kyiv but I didn't get the chance to do that
Regardless, I do still the Russians would win due to the Germans being in constant annoyance by the French and would have to constantly redirect troops to the western front
@@justagreekhistorian France wodunt be a problem if anything they were Like Austria for allies second best yes but only because others Like Russians were around.I mean did you forgot french starting uniforms.Germanies economy wodunt chrash because there wodunt be a British blokade and without invasion of Belgium and UK other states like USA wodunt help Russia or France as much.Also if anything thanks to early russian loss of Ukraine it woud mean more hunger for Russians and earlier revolution (just not communist under Lenin because Germany wodunt allow his departue from Swz.Simply put this scenario makes biggest leap of logic I have ever seen
@@justagreekhistoriani think they could still don’t see why they wouldn't have a Bolshevik revolution
There’s a simple reason, Russia wouldn’t have been embarrassed by a non-western nation. It wouldn’t be as unstable internally from the loss and would likely be able to muster up more internal forces.
@@justagreekhistorianLosing the war was a massive wakeup call for Russia. It was thanks to losing against Japan that they even did as well as they did against Germany, Austria and the ottomans...
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Great vid, would love a part 2!
Great video… it awesome to see your channel’s growth
Hey! Thanks a lot for the support mate
Great Video! A part two would bee very interesting! :>
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Nice work!
If russia never became socialist: Better world
if it never became socialist the germans would've won ww2 meaning a worse war
your channel has grown so much now this is epic
Indeed it is haha
Ending on such a cliff hanger. Plz make a part 2
I think it's pretty obvious that with Russia Industralizing, giving more autonomy to all kinds of peoples and generally just being in a much better position than that of Soviets in our timeline. As well as with India trying for independance, Germany not having the Rhineland, Axis having to support that absolutely terrible ally that the Ottomans are and also the thing in China (and possibly Iran trying to rid utself of Russian and British influence) not to mention the USA would obviously wait to see that's happening but would most likely join on the French-RUssian side.
This is actually a very one sided war.
Yeah I would have though the Franco-Russian faction would win too
With what it is now, yeah I agree but ofc the US isn't gonna let 1 faction have total victory and would need to side with the faction loosing with Tsar Francus the great alliance it's possible the US is gonna intervine and side with British Panzer Blockade
@@kurtdustinbajar713 I think strategically it makes much more sense for USA to cut their loses and steal as much of British possessions as they can, after all either way Russia will be an issue in the future so it only makes sense to want to strengthen oneself too.
nice vid man
I would like a part 2 to this scenario please!
Love your content! Thanks For this! Suggestion: What if the sixtus affair succeed?
That was my first video xd
but I do plan to make a part 2 sooner or later
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We need ep2!!!!!
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Indeed!
For next video, I want to see what if Bulgaria won the 2nd Balkan War, What if Russia won the Crimean War, What if British Empire annex US after the War of 1812, and What if British Canada Keep Oregon territories.
Britain winning the war of 1812 is a planned scenario (though likely not going to annex all of the US) and so is Britain keeping Oregon
Bulgaria winning the second Balkan war isn't really feasible especially when the Turks and the Romanians got involved, but I'd likely to attempt that one
Lastly, Russia winning the Crimean War also sounds interesting, I'd probably plan it for the later scenarios
Thanks for the suggestions mate!
Part 2 please
Me too. :)
Who let bro cook bro what the hell were you smoking when you made this video
Pt 2!!
loved the cenario, but a bit unrealistic
a few points:
russia winning the russo-japanese war would make them over confident in their army capabilities, wich where really backwards compared to Germany's.
the uk would definitely enter on the entente's side, either when Germany launches it's full invasion of russia and shows the world how imbalanced things were or when japan joins the central powers, as a 4vs2 would make Britain leave its isolationism for the balance of power.
the war would be longer, the Germans having polish and ukranian resources as well as not committing wars crimes against Belgium would make the US really firm on their neutral position, helping us goods to ignore the UK blockade to keep good relations with the Americans.
after years of war very fell territorial changes happen, as both sides would go for a negotiated peace, the french dont loose anything (or a feel colonies), poland and possibly Finland and Ukraine would become independent (either because of revolutions or because every other great power was afraid of the massive russian empire, and would very much like to see it crippled) and korea would become independent, russian ports in china would be given to japan (as it would be seen as rightful owner) and uk to balance it.
the most impactful thing of this war would be the revolutions. after years of war and countless deads, the monarchs would be seen as the only reason for the war. as we saw in our timeline, i believe any monarchy suvirves after that (even Britain's)
forgot about italy
depending on when italy joins:
-before the UK:
then its a central powers victory. Italy was as good as the austrians, and i doubt the UK would join in this case, as the war would be balanced.
-after the UK:
maybe russian dont get as screwed in the peace deal, Austrians and russians are obligated to give autonomy to their minorities, but russia definitely loses it's grip over korea (maybe france and italy gets a some referendums on disputed territories like alsarce and istria)
Do a video on Bulgaria
Sure! What scenario would you like to see?
I have a weird what if idea, what if ancient greece made an empire across the Mediterranean? Like a sort of rome but its more greek than in our timeline (yes i know the byzantines exist)
Ancient Greece already had an Empire across the Mediterranean lmao
(Also the Byzantine Empire is literally the same as the Roman Empire)
@justagreekhistorian wait really? I was aware they had colonies and outposts, but did they like, go full rome? I had this idea of the ancient Greeks taking over Italy Spain and discovering Britain, which they called tin land, I think, and starting an earlier era of the European development. Oh well.
Also I mentioned the byzantines cause I didn't want to create confusion, I remembered hearing the byzantines became more focused on their greek identity over time. Also I do know the byzantines are romans. Why are they called the byzantines?
@@Gre-Chaos They were never called Byzantines, they had always called themselves the Eastern Roman Empire
The term Byzantine came later to try to delegitimize Byzantium's claim to Rome
Nowadays it used for convenience as saying Eastern Roman Empire is a mouthful
As for Ancient Greece, they didn't go full Rome as they were naval centric and not so much military centric
As such, it is really hard to construct a timeline where the Greeks form an empire without fundamentally changing the Greeks
They had colonies all over the Mediterranean but that's really about it
@justagreekhistorian OK gotcha. Thanks for the information, and sorry for the trouble
Yo I like this type of scenario it gives me alot of goosebumps I hope there's part two or a continuation of this video 💪🇷🇺
Guys like the vid so we can make a part 2!
The Eurasian axis would win it due to France still being glad about winning ww1 and hasn’t changed the army that much. And china is in a civil war so it’s basically Russia vs 4 powers which would cause Russia to loose
There is a problem with this video and is that in 13:50 you say that finland would get autonomy but it already had a lot because it was a personal union of russia. But apart from that great video
Ye I am aware of Finnish autonomy pre-WW1 - though they were not in a personal union
In the video I just mentioned it to add time and it just went well with the flow of that part
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Thanks a lot mate
I would as a greek to suggest a scenario: what if rigas feraios plan to unite the balkans under a greek democracy of sorts. It would be interesting and I would love to see it
Thanks
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That'd be fun to explore
Thanks for the suggestion
@@justagreekhistorian np
People are questioning how this would make a big difference eve though this war is one of the biggest reason for the internal instability and the rise of communism within Russia. If Russia won against Japan national morale would be way better meaning for example the economy would be way better, people wouldn’t riot as much etc.
Bro, what if Portugal tried to colonize Japan and sucessed?
Hey, just wanna say great vid and pretty realistic imo, although I think after ww1 japan would lose the Kuril islands and Russian puppets in Europe may join the Russians in the alternate WW2, it's crazy to think that Britain would support the former axis but ig it had to be done to keep the balance of power
I was legit so confused who had the Kuril islands so I just gave up and ignored them lmao
Also yes, Britain would likely support the Axis mainly because German crimes would still not have come to light, and also if they support the Russians now, Russia would be at the perfect position to dominate the world
Russia's defeat to japan led to a huge army reform which in the future showed to be important to resist germany and austria hungary. If they had won the war against the japanese it probably wouldnt have happened and without the english help they would have been completely destroyed in ww1
Yeah that's also a possibility, however since this scenario was meant to be more Russian centric (just cuz I wanted to do that lmao) I decided to make the French push through the German fortification, providing a serious threat to the Rhineland and by extension German war capabilities
Interesting stuff! I'm wondering if Japan and Russia would change places vis-a-vis China though... after all, it's Russia which has grabbed a chunk of Chinese land, so Japan could pitch themselves as the anti-foreign friend.
Another thought for a scenario... instead of huge Russian victory in the Russo-Japanese war, what about a stalemate, where Japan keeps Korea and Russia is free to bother Manchuria?
And another... instead of Italy joining the Axis, they decide to double down on the "Fourth Shore" idea of settling Libya, and tell both alliances to stay out of their turf.
The Russian army would gain also experience as well which definitely let them hide their lines in the east eventually as thry could not fully stop the Germans but they definitely be able to slow them.doqn considering Germany tries to attack Russia first.
We're in the Axis bois
I don't think Eupen-Malmedy would be ceded to Belgium
Oh yeah right... I don't know how I missed
Germany would win in this timeline, Russia would have far fewer reforms to modernise as they don’t have the wake-up moment of losing to Japan and are under attack by more opponents. The Germans would likely capture all the lands they had in our timeline in a third of the time or less, and the French would absolutely not make anywhere near that progress in the west without British support.
I wonder how this would effect Nintendo
I think you confused the scenario of Russia winning the Russo Japanese war with what if everything went absolutely perfect for the Russian empire.
How did they win Ww1 completely unaffected.
How come tsar Nicolas is completely different from actual tsar Nicolas.
Why is France still Russias ally, they have no reason to stay Russias ally in fact staying Russias ally and allowing them to get even stronger is completely contradictory to what France would want.
I've mentioned in this in previous comments but basically let me explain
First, Russia wins WW1 due to the Germans constantly having to send troops over in the west
Now, the one thing that was kinda odd and looking back at it seems kinda impossible is the fact that France just pushed through the fortifications with no problem
Well that was a bit unrealistic but you can always say that France forces Belgium to join the Entente and does a reversed Schlieffen plan. we assume that does happen, the Rhineland would be left pretty under-defended and when the French eventually do take over the region, German war capabilities would take a massive hit which would eventually lead to their downfall
As for Czar Nicholas, I don't know what you mean exactly by "completely different"
Sure, he was a really paranoid leader and a hungry for power dictator but I do think he would federalize the country regardless
Finland was already autonomous and the Poles and the Armenians really demanded autonomy, he would have to eventually agree to it
Lastly, France staying an ally of Russia is just the logical thing to do
Though they wouldn't be enthusiastic about it, they'd have to out of convenience. Think about it, France now holds the whole of the west bank of the Rhine
The British would hate them as they were also growing really powerful. The Germans would hate them as they would want to recover their loses
As such, the only country France could possibly see an alliance with is Russia
I hope this answers your questions and remember, this scenario is meant to be less realistic and more of the fun of it
@@justagreekhistorian Thank you for responding but if France tries to exploit Belgium wouldn’t Britain try to intervene to secure Belgian neutrality and to weaken a Russian which in this world is significantly stronger and most importantly appears a lot stronger not having been humiliated. So it would be fairly likely you’d see some sort of British intervention to stop Russia and secure Belgium.
@@kylezdancewicz7346 Well, even if Britain doesn't join the Entente I do still see them being close to them at least before the war's end
If France does force Belgium to break neutrality then Britain would be disappointed and would move closer to Germany but I doubt they'd actually do anything apart from diplomatically
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absolutely impossible. Russia after losing the russo-japanese war undertook huge reforms in their doctrine that came to aid them in ww1. If they won its likely that their already over zealous military staff wouldnt pursue any reforms and lead to them getting pushed back even further than historically. The franco-german borders since the franco-prussian war were heavily fortified and entrenched already which wouldve been next to impossible to break through. Also without the british, Germanys navy wouldve had more of a chance and could have blockaded france if done right.
Revolution also for Russia at this point was an inevitability with deeprooted issues in social inequality, the ineffective autocracy, lack of representation for the people and the rise of revolutionary parties (Social revolutionary party, the RSDLP for example). So while the 1905 revolution is delayed, its an inevitability as the underlying issues remain and would only make it more intense. The revolution itself probably would happen early into WW1, with you saying the germans finding little resistance. That wouldve been the straw that broke the camels back, and it essentially wouldve been an early february revolution with the SRP in charge, leading to either the SRP signing brest litovsk or refusing and lenin rising to power as the russian people at this point wanted peace.
As for France, if it werent for britain, they wouldve surely fell. Especially with an essentially decomposing russia. Germany would never have lost this hard, not even in our timeline did they lose to the point of losing the rhine. Also France was always a priority by German military doctrine, with the belief that russia wouldve taken longer to mobilise and would give them enough time to sweep through belgium and go for paris.
I see the point being made here, but like a central power's victory scenario seems kinda boring
Like I feel like I can't really add more than what has already been added already
So I opted for the non realistic path
As much as I want Russia to win WW2 in this scenario specifically due to me thinking they are interesting in this. I have to think the UK's faction would win due to more nations and excluding Italy, very militarily advanced nations.
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Are you ever going to make part 2s
As I said, if this video reaches 3K likes then maybe I'd consider it
Victory or not there is no way that the tsar would ever willingly federalize or even allow an actual working parliament. He was a inept power hungry dictator
This could never happen, Sugimoto is too immortal to be defeated by russians, or anyone else for that matter.
Yeah man, no. There’s no way there would be a stronger Russia, the war with Japan was a huge wake-up call and made them start modernising, even slightly. Russia would be MUCH weaker, but I don’t think this would change the outcome of the war much. This video should have been focused on China and east Asia in general, keeping WW1 about the same. Anyways, you’re pretty new at this so it makes sense you make some bad scenarios. Don’t take this comment as an insult but as constructive criticism to help you to do better in the future.
I wanted to keep it Asia focused, but figured that I would have to figure out what's going in China which was just too much so I decided to shift it a bit to Europe, but still it was more Asiatic centered than most of my other scenarios lel
Also, Russia wasn't stronger in the video, the great powers just thought they were
Regardless, an Entente victory imo is still happening so it won't really change much
Anyways, thanks for the constructive criticism, it is really refreshing seeing real points instead of just "video bad booo"
Germany loses a war without the British in it. No. Russia's military issues were more than just loss of confidence after Japan's victory. And Germany had forts along the French border very much like the French forts that induced Germany to go through Belgium.
Yeah I understand the concern that the French wouldn't be able to push through the fortifications (I really didn't do the research for that part, it was kinda rushed)
Now if I were to justify that, I would say that the French would likely force Belgium to join the Entente and push through there, which would disappoint the British but I doubt they'd still join the Central Powers
With the Rhineland being threatened, and the Germans having to constantly redirect forces to the Western front, I do still see Russia still managing to hold out the frontline long term
“History is written by its victors”
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Yep. 0-0 as of now
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@@lunalingo4461 fr he missed so many chances in the entire game. Portugal has been @ss recently with them losing 2-0 to Georgia and currently being tied 0-0 with Slovenia. I doubt they will take it home
@@Paul2kdj69 it's just like England man
Drawing to Slovenia, boring ass game that was
Barely skimmed a win against Slovakia.
Doubt they are gonna win against Switzerland.
Ngl the ww2 part is the stupidest part
i wont part 2
Korea would have become Russian territory and Korean soldiers would have been sent to Ukraine lol
Furher reich timeline??
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Yeah I don't know either 💀
I think France and Russia with rhe aid of the USA can win.
Predictions PRE WW2
Despite Germany being ruled by Adolf, many anti-Ultranationalist parties have gained popularity ever since the great depression. Since Adolf hasn't done much to solve this situation.The Ottoman empire faced a lot of terrorist rebellions in the middle east, which led up to the Saudi-Turkish compromise in 1930.
A Christian dictatorship was set up in mexico which worried the US. Herbert Hoover made the horrible mistake and invaded mexico. Mexico quickly capitulated but despite this, FDR still won and became president.
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Hmm I wonder why hahaha
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