Combine that with the fact that Hulk *knows* they share a body, and that only one of them can "exist" at a time. Hulk doesn't want to go away, Hulk wants to live his own life. He resents Banner not only because Banner hates him and wants to get rid of him despite Hulk saving his life multiple times, but also because until he was able to escape to Sakaar, Hulk was only ever allowed to come out to fight. As angry as Hulk is, and as much as he clearly *enjoys* smashing things, there IS more to him than just fighting monsters. Sakaar finally allowed Hulk to be Hulk even during downtime.
All this time banner is afraid of the hulk coming out, and then hulk is afraid of banner coming out, sadness and love forcing hulk to transform into banner is the opposite of being unable to control hulk into anger.
Hulk has emotionally matured and stayed in his own form. The chemical distress signal to trigger the transformations is no longer fueled by anger. And he doesn't know what the new trigger is.
Dude, Bruce canonically has multiple personality disorder. Hulk is his own individual... well he was spawned by the pent up childhood rage from having an abusive father but hulk is still his own being. We literally see him have a convo with hulk in infinity war when he wants to use hulk's power but hulk doesn't want to.
@@kirby4815162342 Then why does hulk act like a different person in ragnorok? Why is he capable of responding "no" to who is apparently himself? Why does Bruce always refer to the hulk as an individual separate to himself? Why is Jennifer able to retain who she is as the hulk? These questions and more are all answered in the comics on multiple occasions throughout different continuities as multiple personality disorder. Jennifer acts the same because she doesn't have multiple personality disorder. Bruce always refers to him as a different individual because he is a different individual. Hulk can respond "no" because he is a conscious being. Ragnorok hulk acts like a different person because in the comic the movie came from, he was his own person separate being from Bruce. The main plotline of the current hulk run that is still running right now, starship hulk, follows hulk and Bruce as separate personalities and is constantly illustrating that. The comic before that, immortal hulk, was all about his multiple personality disorder and mentioned it constantly and features 4-6 different personalities. The main four being Bruce Banner, salvage/child hulk (Bruce's childhood rage), Joe Fixxit (the grey hulk who was a genius hacker and was a casino mob boss), and devil hulk (the father figure Bruce never had who follows Bruce's luck of not having good father figures), with mentions of Professor hulk (the current mcu hulk), and glimpses and mentions of world War hulk (the hulk that ragnorok hulk is based on) just read it yourself. It may be super gory but it's a great read in my opinion.
@@btg-bp4vl Hulk is canonically a different personality, not a separate individual. Real people with the disorder do refer to the other personalities as separate people. Hulk is not a separate being at all.
@@kirby4815162342 so you agree that Bruce has multiple personality disorder and those who have it and would know the most about agree that other personalities are their own individuals but their also not... can you see where that's confusing?
@@btg-bp4vl Not really, it’s pretty straight forward. Their other personalities are not actual people. Whether they refer to the other personalities as other people or not, it doesn’t change that fact.
2:10 When I first watched this movie, it never occurred to me until now that this....This is not Hulk simply wanting to not revert back to Banner. This is Hulk not wanting to be "put back in the cage of Banner" to only ever see the light of day when Banner loses control for however little time until he calms down again. After 2 years of freedom, having fun and actually living. Hulk here is DESPERATE to live and not revert back to Banner. The face he makes at 2:15 screams desperation. But not in anger or rage as one would think of Hulk....He almost looks like he is screaming in sadness because he feels Banner coming back. And when he finally says "No Banner". I feel like it was not the typical "No I don't want Banner". He was begging Banner himself to not come back. At least that's my take on it re-watching it after all these years.
Do u think it was a "no banner!🚫🙅🏻♂🚫🙅🏻♂ (in the sense of not wanting there to be a Banner)" or more like a "no, banner!!! (in the sense of denying, opposing Banner wanting to return to the body)"?
thats exactly what i thought to like please im here im here im real dont do this to me again. then next time we see him hees that fake smile smug pos green banner. really made me hate banner for the way he treated a part of himself.
Well I rather have smart Hulk than this joke-of-a-Hulk who cant match Thanos for more than 2 mins. He cant even beat nerfed Thor on Sakaar. His issue is he's not getting stronger with anger as he supposed to be.
Dont you just love how they went straight from this to smart hulk without any explanation on how or if banner was able to combine his two personalities or just somehow forever subdued the hulk.
They should make a movie about it like seriously! With that excuse we can finally get another solo hulk movie which has been long due since his last solo movie was years ago!
I appreciate the MCU giving us Hulk not trying to turn into Banner, instead of the usual other way around. As a big Hulk fan, I never realized I needed a scene like that
The Hulk and Banner are some of my favorite characters, but they fumbled the distinction past this point in the MCU. Professor Hulk just isn't as interesting as the usual Banner/Hulk drama.
"NO BANNER!" (or "NO, BANNER!") is a lot more heartbreaking than I remember it being. Maybe because the Hulk is gone now and Bruce is all that remains. Sad that it's never brought up in any of the movies or shows that the Hulk persona basically died when Bruce took permanent control Edit: Okay. Just to clarify, I understand that Hulk and Banner are supposed to be "merged" now, but it doesn't feel that way. Smart Hulk is still acting like Bruce Banner. We ra rarely see any of the "Hulk" persona ever come out. Sure, he's technically part of this "new" personality, but let's be real. It's 95% Banner's mind and 5% Hulk's attitude. I still feel like Hulk got the short end of the deal here. He doesn't really have much control over this situation.
I dont believe it did, I have a feeling Bruce's current state is actually him somehow suppressing Hulk and all that anger he would feel he is bottling. He's in denial and I think Hulk is going to break out at some point and be very very angry.
@@supergario4425 Oh man, I hope that's true. I personally like Smart Hulk, but I would LOVE to see the return of Savage Hulk. Perhaps in a World War Hulk storyline down the road
Ragnarok was so heartbreaking because all that The Hulk wanted was to be loved and adored, he was worshipped as a champion on Sakaar, meanwhile on Earth he was vilified and viewed as a threat, that's most likely why he stayed in that form for so long, because he finally felt safe and accepted.
Hulk is just the classic Jekyll and Hyde taken to an extreme. Hulk is the Id, and while there's still a fully functioning human brain in his head, it's basically turned off during the transformation. He's not quite a mere animal because all of that stuff is still there, and intact, so it does affect his judgement, but it's essentially completely shelved, otherwise, and Hulk runs entirely off of his limbic system with only minimal perceptual or behavioral modification by the rest of his brain. Because of the radically different experiences accrued by each form, each manifests as a distinct personality. It most probably happens because the nature of the transformation is overwhelming to the neocortex, and it just shuts down as a safety measure, leaving the limbic system to be overwhelmed instead (because it CAN'T shut down...that would mean death) and so Hulk mostly just rampages blindly in the early years. As both forms gain experiences individually, and in dealing with one another (remotely, at least), they both change, and Banner's limbic system adapts to the nature of being the Hulk whenever he transforms. What Banner probably did in the lab to fuse the two together was to carefully moderate the transformation to give his neocortex a chance to assimilate the process without spazing out...and to take the load off the limbic system so that it doesn't haul off and wreck everything. Once that equilibrium was achieved...Smart Hulk...
@@afr0cuban57 Yeah...not so much. Just paid attention. Most things in various movies really can't be explained...and it's stupid to try. But, when it actually works out, there's nothing wrong with smoothing out the bumps and filling in the less obtrusive gaps.
I think Hulk and Banner are mutually aware of each-other's existence anyway. Hulk seems to hold some resentment towards Banner for wanting him gone despite him saving Banner's life multiple times. I wish we got to see a section of Endgame where Hulk and Banner make peace with each-other instead of just jumping straight to smart hulk and treating it as a joke tbh.
I'm kinda hoping that Marvel snaps out of it after phase 4 and stops writing their storylines like the Hulk would, and Smart Hulk will make the decision to revert his transformation, realising that it was wrong to trap Hulk's consciousness in whatever limbo he's in now. Though wishful thinking, I think it would be nice for them to come full circle back to the seriousness of the Hulk's character, possibly ret conning the happy-go-lucky writing Hulk has had since Endgame as Banner pushing all of his issues under the rug, pretending that everything is fine. At least, that feels like one way they could fix this Hulk issue
@@randomguy7766 I mean phase 4 has been good so far imo. I like the way they're doing she-hulk: attorney at law, I think it's interesting. I do want them to take hulk more seriously tho, but I also realize that part of why they haven't is bc Disney don't really own the rights to the character, and he can only appear if he isn't the main character of what he's in
@@HappyMatt12345 That's fair! I liked the beginning of phase 4 (aka Loki, Wandavision, Shang Chi etc) but the direction they've taken characters recently has rubbed me the wrong way, like Thor, Hulk and even Dr Strange. But yeah, like you said, I do find She Hulk interesting and getting to see what happens with the abomination is enough of a lure for me :)
@@HappyMatt12345 Yeah, it felt like MoM gave a wrong impression of it's scope leading up to it's release, and I feel like what they did with certain characters felt cheap and disingenuous. Meanwhile, without spoiling anything, Love and Thunder felt like it could have been an original disney movie with a wacky and zany adventure.. which would have been fine if that's what Thor's character was previously, which it wasn't
Fun fact; the reason Hulk gets smarter in Ragnarok is because he has lived longer as the Hulk. In the first avengers he’s just a couple months old, but in Ragnarok he has been the Hulk for long so Hulk has gotten smarter.
@@lonelylama5222 remember when black widow told banner that’s he’s went a year without an incident? That implies he was well over a year being the hulk
What I don't understand is that he barely seemed to show any emotion after death of Black Widow. They have to have some storyline where he has suppressed his feelings over her death, as he hardly reacted when she died.
Since the infinity war event, hulk change he is afraid and bruce banner become brave and stronger than hulk at psychology...since than hulk forever change
@@ZeePro-5054 it 2 long movies. It kinda hard to fit an 20-30 mins scene for it. They had Tony and cap good bye scene also the movie. I agree they should've had an director cut version with flush out scene. That why DC movies suck.
I like how at the beginning hulk gets angry and Natasha kneels down, like how an animal may submit to an “alpha” and hulk saw this and immediately turned away, realizing she wasn’t a threat They make him very animalistic, like a gorilla, where you avert your gaze and make yourself small to show you aren’t a threat
honestly, no. not true at all well like kinda true. it's pretty complex haha. it's multiple personality disorder, or dr. jekyll and mr. hyde i'm pretty sure there are times in the comics where bruce and the hulk are separated, like different bodies or at least 'souls' for different characters, and i know for a fact at some point the hulk is written like a werewolf (comes out at night haha) but then there's shit like the hulk can't be mind-controlled not because like he's too angry to be controlled but because of like his willpower i think and that's a hulk thing but he gets it from bruce because i believe it's been explained that only bruce has the willpower to not just always be the hulk and destroy everyone indiscriminately and that's a bruce thing but it's a huge part of the connection between the two characters
They had something going with Bruce’s internal conflict with the Hulk Dude flat out refused to come out in Infinity War where everyone might’ve needed him most, and it’s resolved off-screen by the time for Endgame I would’ve liked to see how Bruce and Hulk made up with each other to become Professor Hulk
I always took Hulk and Banner as the older brother, younger brother, relationship. Bruce is older, more experienced and more mature, while Hulk is the younger more voilent brother. Like any toddler, Hulk runs around breaking and yelling at anything that drives him. And Bruce has little to no control, and they hate each other. Hulk doesn't understand the situation yet, because he is new to the world, and gains anger toward what he blames for his situation. The only thing that calms Hulk is love, similar to a mother's love. Over time, they begin to mature and understand eachother. Thus becoming more like twin brothers.
Huh, I really like that interpretation. It also would play into the "Hulk loves puppies and they help calm him down" thing really well (which feels like a forgotten thing at this point).
It's been years since Age of Ultron and I'm still sooo curious to what Wanda did to Banner, then 1:07 Hulk was just like "Woah I'm here, when did I get here?" He looked like a confused baby or even a wild animal. I just die inside everytime I watch this part
If I could give a hug to The Hulk and Bruce Banner at the same time and have them realize it I would. Hulk need not fear for he always has Mr. Banner always near.
I'm always conflicted reading a Hulk/Banner story because what I want for them is way less interesting than the competition between them. I want them to retire to a farm somewhere together and raise sheep or something instead of the constant struggle that their stories are best at.
and rightfully soo I cant wait to see him decimate everyone for treating him like a thoughtless sentientless disease, banner is a huge asshole for lying to us and himself about working things out with him. His smug ass fake smile goofey knowitall face did him dirty i know it.
F Hulk, the last moment he had his conscience, desire and personality was in Thor Ragnarok. After that he was brutally killed by Banner (off screen) in the transition to Endgame
WOW THEY REALLY FUCKED THE HULK UP! Even the dynamic between Natalie and Bruce changed because the writing went off in such a weird direction. IMO: (2008) The Incredible Hulk was the most accurate rendition of the Hulk.
You need to realize that the MCU isn't the only way to experience these characters. They did not ruin the Hulk. They ruined the MCU's hulk. Ruffalo's hulk. You have alllll the comics, shows, and animated movies in the world to check out. Don't waste your time getting upset over comic book movies. Because if trivial things like this upset you, then god knows how many things make you absolutely miserable.
@@sarahbelle81 You’re missing the point. We may have all the other versions of hulk in comics, animated series etc but Mark Ruffalo’s Hulk is the main one right now, they’re literally just taking him a whole different way from what we actually want to see.
Black Widow helps calm the Hulk down after the battle to ensure he doesn't accidentally hurt anyone else, and later consoles Bruce when he's worried about the casualties, silently scolding Thor for making him feel worse. Bruce Banner would continue to go on several missions with the Avengers as Hulk, and he and Nat created a method to calm Hulk down and reverse him into Banner by using a lullaby.
Best design of Hulk. They should remake the old Hulk movies into this version. And in the She Hulk series they should use the Hulks aggressive voice instead of the actor.
I wish Hulk came out during Endgame when Banner needed strength to survive the snap. Something like Hulk almost takes over because the gauntlets power was fueling his rage.
The fact that Hulk had a consciousness of own and captured Bruce inside him is too dangerous, Bruce rightfully merged his brain with Hulk's body otherwise it would have been a disaster for him!
Mm, it's not so much that hulk doesn't realize he's also Bruce, rather, Bruce's alternate personalities are colliding. With other Hulks, such as Red Hulk or She-Hulk, when they transform, they don't lose any sense of who or what they are, they largely stay the same. With Bruce however, he has psychological trauma from domestic abuse, and has developed DID, but his second personality only ever shows whenever he transforms.
I definitely see this differently than most. Hulk wasn't trying to seek freedom or seeking to avoid a BB cage. Hulk understood he was a menace even when not wanting to be; which ties in him shutting down the Quinjet tracker to begin with. The "no Banner" is not a plea but more "this place is perfect for US!!!" You gotta look at all Hulk moments together instead of in a vacuum. That was why Hulk ain't come out on Asgard to fight the wolf. It wasn't anger of switching back to Banner but just mad at leaving the world Hulk was loved; bc even Banner wasn't safe on Earth. Now the refusal to rematch Thanos was more fear based but Hulk ain't have an issue with Banner
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I think the reason black widow can calm Hulk is because she isn't trying to fight him, she talks to him calmly and it seems to confuse him a little. like if you came across a wild animal you don't want to scare it or be aggressive, hand low and speak calmly.
The gun was probably created in case Thawne attacks again. Or even just another speedster. Think about it: Thawne, Zoom, Savitar, the rival, and Godspeed. The team gets threatened by evil Speedsters ALOT. especially Iris. It makes sense after seeing Iris “ die” last season because of Thawne that Barry would want to take extra steps to protect her when he’s not there. They’re planning to build a family after all, so his motivation is even stronger
I feel like if at the moment smart hulk (which is basically just Bruce) snapped then Hulk came out fully for the remainder of Endgame it would've been amazing, you could bs an explanation with the snap being so dangerous that the physical and mental toll caused Hulk to come out to ensure the snap doesn't kill them
Mark Ruffalo is Hulk and i get it people hate Professor Hulk but that's just a phase, people cry when Hulk goes full on wimp but again that's just Hulk being a dick with Banner. It just shows people don't know Hulk at all, this portray of Hulk with Ruffalo is brilliant, we're seeing different forms but the beast will return.
I think in Ragnarok, after Hulk looked at Nat in the holocom thing, she kinda immediately trigger Banner within Hulk, and Banner was like "FUCK YOU HULK, I'M TAKING OVER MY HUMAN ASS!!"
Psychiatrist doc Samson captures the hulk and physically separates hulk and bruce banner. Their individual molecular structures began to destabilize so the vision helped Samson reunite them.
I flippin get so angry when i see this knowing how they made him now, there was so much that could have been done with him! The feeling of anger and split personalites, self-resentment, and guilt of accidentally harming those close to you, how hard it is to make peace with yourself and everything, IT WAS RIGHT THERE AND THEY FLUBBED IT BY MAKING A LAWYER SHOW
The relationship between bruce and hulk always been bad blood, now that bruce is taking better control of it, he’ll only know he is limited without hulk, it’s like naruto not relying on kurama at all, but can tap into his powers at any time
theres a great story about ego and super ego and personality disorder and self hate that we just never gona get what did we get was his cousin twrkin so great job disney
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He's not realizing he's Bruce. He's NOT ANGRY ANYMORE.
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“NO Banner” damn shit hit, hulk is just a kid and he’s finally happy and not just some monster.
Combine that with the fact that Hulk *knows* they share a body, and that only one of them can "exist" at a time. Hulk doesn't want to go away, Hulk wants to live his own life. He resents Banner not only because Banner hates him and wants to get rid of him despite Hulk saving his life multiple times, but also because until he was able to escape to Sakaar, Hulk was only ever allowed to come out to fight. As angry as Hulk is, and as much as he clearly *enjoys* smashing things, there IS more to him than just fighting monsters. Sakaar finally allowed Hulk to be Hulk even during downtime.
All this time banner is afraid of the hulk coming out, and then hulk is afraid of banner coming out, sadness and love forcing hulk to transform into banner is the opposite of being unable to control hulk into anger.
I love it
he never was a monster
@@walidhmd actual dummy lol
Hulk slamming himself and punching himself, trying to keep himself angry the way he knows usually triggers his anger
Dang...
Hulk has emotionally matured and stayed in his own form. The chemical distress signal to trigger the transformations is no longer fueled by anger. And he doesn't know what the new trigger is.
@@EdgbertPrice24 "the way he knows triggers his anger" that's what I meant when I said this, he thinks he has the same trigger but he doesn't
No it was banner fighting hulk and hulk lost. That’s why he turned back into banner at least twice.
@@thepushaman Banner trying to knock himself out doesn't make sense if he was fighting for control
Dude, Bruce canonically has multiple personality disorder. Hulk is his own individual... well he was spawned by the pent up childhood rage from having an abusive father but hulk is still his own being. We literally see him have a convo with hulk in infinity war when he wants to use hulk's power but hulk doesn't want to.
That’s just simply inaccurate.
@@kirby4815162342 Then why does hulk act like a different person in ragnorok? Why is he capable of responding "no" to who is apparently himself? Why does Bruce always refer to the hulk as an individual separate to himself? Why is Jennifer able to retain who she is as the hulk? These questions and more are all answered in the comics on multiple occasions throughout different continuities as multiple personality disorder. Jennifer acts the same because she doesn't have multiple personality disorder. Bruce always refers to him as a different individual because he is a different individual. Hulk can respond "no" because he is a conscious being. Ragnorok hulk acts like a different person because in the comic the movie came from, he was his own person separate being from Bruce. The main plotline of the current hulk run that is still running right now, starship hulk, follows hulk and Bruce as separate personalities and is constantly illustrating that. The comic before that, immortal hulk, was all about his multiple personality disorder and mentioned it constantly and features 4-6 different personalities. The main four being Bruce Banner, salvage/child hulk (Bruce's childhood rage), Joe Fixxit (the grey hulk who was a genius hacker and was a casino mob boss), and devil hulk (the father figure Bruce never had who follows Bruce's luck of not having good father figures), with mentions of Professor hulk (the current mcu hulk), and glimpses and mentions of world War hulk (the hulk that ragnorok hulk is based on) just read it yourself. It may be super gory but it's a great read in my opinion.
@@btg-bp4vl Hulk is canonically a different personality, not a separate individual. Real people with the disorder do refer to the other personalities as separate people. Hulk is not a separate being at all.
@@kirby4815162342 so you agree that Bruce has multiple personality disorder and those who have it and would know the most about agree that other personalities are their own individuals but their also not... can you see where that's confusing?
@@btg-bp4vl Not really, it’s pretty straight forward. Their other personalities are not actual people. Whether they refer to the other personalities as other people or not, it doesn’t change that fact.
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2:10 When I first watched this movie, it never occurred to me until now that this....This is not Hulk simply wanting to not revert back to Banner.
This is Hulk not wanting to be "put back in the cage of Banner" to only ever see the light of day when Banner loses control for however little time until he calms down again. After 2 years of freedom, having fun and actually living. Hulk here is DESPERATE to live and not revert back to Banner.
The face he makes at 2:15 screams desperation. But not in anger or rage as one would think of Hulk....He almost looks like he is screaming in sadness because he feels Banner coming back. And when he finally says "No Banner". I feel like it was not the typical "No I don't want Banner". He was begging Banner himself to not come back.
At least that's my take on it re-watching it after all these years.
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Do u think it was a "no banner!🚫🙅🏻♂🚫🙅🏻♂ (in the sense of not wanting there to be a Banner)" or more like a "no, banner!!! (in the sense of denying, opposing Banner wanting to return to the body)"?
@@what1943 The latter. As i said it was like he was begging Banner to not come back so Hulk could "keep on living"
@@nicksalehi97 Oh i see
thats exactly what i thought to like please im here im here im real dont do this to me again. then next time we see him hees that fake smile smug pos green banner. really made me hate banner for the way he treated a part of himself.
I really like the Hulk we got in the MCU, but I do dislike how much they had to down play him. Hulk really shines solo.
you mean the incredible hulk or the not so incredible one we got in the avengers?
Hulks got the best life one of his BFF is an eternal thats like a creation god that loves seeing him destroy
Well I rather have smart Hulk than this joke-of-a-Hulk who cant match Thanos for more than 2 mins. He cant even beat nerfed Thor on Sakaar. His issue is he's not getting stronger with anger as he supposed to be.
@@moritakasaiko8540 What makes you think he's supposed to be?
@@directorjake Because it's like that in every interpretation of the Hulk except MCU
Dont you just love how they went straight from this to smart hulk without any explanation on how or if banner was able to combine his two personalities or just somehow forever subdued the hulk.
Lazy writing
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They should make a movie about it like seriously! With that excuse we can finally get another solo hulk movie which has been long due since his last solo movie was years ago!
I appreciate the MCU giving us Hulk not trying to turn into Banner, instead of the usual other way around. As a big Hulk fan, I never realized I needed a scene like that
The Hulk and Banner are some of my favorite characters, but they fumbled the distinction past this point in the MCU. Professor Hulk just isn't as interesting as the usual Banner/Hulk drama.
"NO BANNER!" (or "NO, BANNER!") is a lot more heartbreaking than I remember it being. Maybe because the Hulk is gone now and Bruce is all that remains. Sad that it's never brought up in any of the movies or shows that the Hulk persona basically died when Bruce took permanent control
Edit: Okay. Just to clarify, I understand that Hulk and Banner are supposed to be "merged" now, but it doesn't feel that way. Smart Hulk is still acting like Bruce Banner. We ra rarely see any of the "Hulk" persona ever come out. Sure, he's technically part of this "new" personality, but let's be real. It's 95% Banner's mind and 5% Hulk's attitude. I still feel like Hulk got the short end of the deal here. He doesn't really have much control over this situation.
I dont believe it did, I have a feeling Bruce's current state is actually him somehow suppressing Hulk and all that anger he would feel he is bottling. He's in denial and I think Hulk is going to break out at some point and be very very angry.
@@supergario4425 Oh man, I hope that's true. I personally like Smart Hulk, but I would LOVE to see the return of Savage Hulk. Perhaps in a World War Hulk storyline down the road
well remember all of the various Hulk personas are parts of Banner's personality anyway
@@sabishiihito Yes, but they're also split personalities, meaning they're their own person even if they come from the same host body
Real marvel fans that read the comics knows what’s coming. Smart hulk is in the comics and what happens after is very rewarding
Ragnarok was so heartbreaking because all that The Hulk wanted was to be loved and adored, he was worshipped as a champion on Sakaar, meanwhile on Earth he was vilified and viewed as a threat, that's most likely why he stayed in that form for so long, because he finally felt safe and accepted.
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Its funny that hulk shrinks to banner when he sees natalie....its the opposite for me
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Hulk is just the classic Jekyll and Hyde taken to an extreme. Hulk is the Id, and while there's still a fully functioning human brain in his head, it's basically turned off during the transformation. He's not quite a mere animal because all of that stuff is still there, and intact, so it does affect his judgement, but it's essentially completely shelved, otherwise, and Hulk runs entirely off of his limbic system with only minimal perceptual or behavioral modification by the rest of his brain.
Because of the radically different experiences accrued by each form, each manifests as a distinct personality.
It most probably happens because the nature of the transformation is overwhelming to the neocortex, and it just shuts down as a safety measure, leaving the limbic system to be overwhelmed instead (because it CAN'T shut down...that would mean death) and so Hulk mostly just rampages blindly in the early years. As both forms gain experiences individually, and in dealing with one another (remotely, at least), they both change, and Banner's limbic system adapts to the nature of being the Hulk whenever he transforms.
What Banner probably did in the lab to fuse the two together was to carefully moderate the transformation to give his neocortex a chance to assimilate the process without spazing out...and to take the load off the limbic system so that it doesn't haul off and wreck everything. Once that equilibrium was achieved...Smart Hulk...
Bro it's a marvel Disney film
@@defan5732 lmaoooo bro went to college and took up hulkology
Brilliant analysis.
its a brilliant analysis tho
@@afr0cuban57 Yeah...not so much. Just paid attention.
Most things in various movies really can't be explained...and it's stupid to try. But, when it actually works out, there's nothing wrong with smoothing out the bumps and filling in the less obtrusive gaps.
2:23 when he said “No Banner.” Bro was going through the motions 🥺
I think Hulk and Banner are mutually aware of each-other's existence anyway. Hulk seems to hold some resentment towards Banner for wanting him gone despite him saving Banner's life multiple times. I wish we got to see a section of Endgame where Hulk and Banner make peace with each-other instead of just jumping straight to smart hulk and treating it as a joke tbh.
I'm kinda hoping that Marvel snaps out of it after phase 4 and stops writing their storylines like the Hulk would, and Smart Hulk will make the decision to revert his transformation, realising that it was wrong to trap Hulk's consciousness in whatever limbo he's in now. Though wishful thinking, I think it would be nice for them to come full circle back to the seriousness of the Hulk's character, possibly ret conning the happy-go-lucky writing Hulk has had since Endgame as Banner pushing all of his issues under the rug, pretending that everything is fine. At least, that feels like one way they could fix this Hulk issue
@@randomguy7766 I mean phase 4 has been good so far imo. I like the way they're doing she-hulk: attorney at law, I think it's interesting. I do want them to take hulk more seriously tho, but I also realize that part of why they haven't is bc Disney don't really own the rights to the character, and he can only appear if he isn't the main character of what he's in
@@HappyMatt12345 That's fair! I liked the beginning of phase 4 (aka Loki, Wandavision, Shang Chi etc) but the direction they've taken characters recently has rubbed me the wrong way, like Thor, Hulk and even Dr Strange. But yeah, like you said, I do find She Hulk interesting and getting to see what happens with the abomination is enough of a lure for me :)
@@randomguy7766 I haven't seen the new Thor yet, so idk about that, but MoMs ploy was chaotic in the wrong way.
@@HappyMatt12345 Yeah, it felt like MoM gave a wrong impression of it's scope leading up to it's release, and I feel like what they did with certain characters felt cheap and disingenuous. Meanwhile, without spoiling anything, Love and Thunder felt like it could have been an original disney movie with a wacky and zany adventure.. which would have been fine if that's what Thor's character was previously, which it wasn't
Fun fact; the reason Hulk gets smarter in Ragnarok is because he has lived longer as the Hulk. In the first avengers he’s just a couple months old, but in Ragnarok he has been the Hulk for long so Hulk has gotten smarter.
It really damns the MCU Banner. He's effectively locked a child up in a box for years on end before Ragnarok.
That’s completely wrong he was well into the hulk in the first avengers. He was a year into refraining from turning into the hulk in the first one.
@@KEELOMEANO what
@@lonelylama5222 remember when black widow told banner that’s he’s went a year without an incident? That implies he was well over a year being the hulk
What I don't understand is that he barely seemed to show any emotion after death of Black Widow. They have to have some storyline where he has suppressed his feelings over her death, as he hardly reacted when she died.
Since the infinity war event, hulk change he is afraid and bruce banner become brave and stronger than hulk at psychology...since than hulk forever change
He threw that bench. He was mad.
@@biggdogg33 honestly that reaction seemed so weird with how they did it
@@ZeePro-5054 it 2 long movies. It kinda hard to fit an 20-30 mins scene for it. They had Tony and cap good bye scene also the movie. I agree they should've had an director cut version with flush out scene. That why DC movies suck.
skaar will bring the real hulk back watch, i truly think feige is planning that
Also in Ragnorok he’s been the hulk for probably hundreds of years since time moves differently on Sakaar.
He had “needs”. 😂
Being hulk for 2 years and Thor being the first person you see
Hulk had “needs” in Sakaar. 😂
The hulk needs a redemption arc in the mcu tbh
I like how at the beginning hulk gets angry and Natasha kneels down, like how an animal may submit to an “alpha” and hulk saw this and immediately turned away, realizing she wasn’t a threat
They make him very animalistic, like a gorilla, where you avert your gaze and make yourself small to show you aren’t a threat
Banner and the Hulk are ONE. Hulk is Banner and Banner is the HULK.
honestly, no. not true at all
well like kinda true. it's pretty complex haha. it's multiple personality disorder, or dr. jekyll and mr. hyde
i'm pretty sure there are times in the comics where bruce and the hulk are separated, like different bodies or at least 'souls' for different characters, and i know for a fact at some point the hulk is written like a werewolf (comes out at night haha) but then there's shit like the hulk can't be mind-controlled not because like he's too angry to be controlled but because of like his willpower i think and that's a hulk thing but he gets it from bruce because i believe it's been explained that only bruce has the willpower to not just always be the hulk and destroy everyone indiscriminately and that's a bruce thing but it's a huge part of the connection between the two characters
Two different sentient beings in one body. They're not the same at all.
@@HelplessTeno yep it is kind of like conjoined twins if only one was awake and in control at a time.
And we're all worse for it.
Poor Bruce has never been in control of his anger. Along with a split personality and no full memory of what the Hulk does. Wow.
They had something going with Bruce’s internal conflict with the Hulk
Dude flat out refused to come out in Infinity War where everyone might’ve needed him most, and it’s resolved off-screen by the time for Endgame
I would’ve liked to see how Bruce and Hulk made up with each other to become Professor Hulk
A machine 🤣
Black widow: hey big guy the sun is getting low hulk: ok
I always took Hulk and Banner as the older brother, younger brother, relationship. Bruce is older, more experienced and more mature, while Hulk is the younger more voilent brother. Like any toddler, Hulk runs around breaking and yelling at anything that drives him. And Bruce has little to no control, and they hate each other. Hulk doesn't understand the situation yet, because he is new to the world, and gains anger toward what he blames for his situation. The only thing that calms Hulk is love, similar to a mother's love.
Over time, they begin to mature and understand eachother. Thus becoming more like twin brothers.
Huh, I really like that interpretation. It also would play into the "Hulk loves puppies and they help calm him down" thing really well (which feels like a forgotten thing at this point).
2:42 sun's going down 🤣🤣
It's been years since Age of Ultron and I'm still sooo curious to what Wanda did to Banner, then 1:07 Hulk was just like "Woah I'm here, when did I get here?" He looked like a confused baby or even a wild animal. I just die inside everytime I watch this part
If I could give a hug to The Hulk and Bruce Banner at the same time and have them realize it I would. Hulk need not fear for he always has Mr. Banner always near.
banner doesn't see it that way yet he treats him like a disease.
I'm always conflicted reading a Hulk/Banner story because what I want for them is way less interesting than the competition between them. I want them to retire to a farm somewhere together and raise sheep or something instead of the constant struggle that their stories are best at.
This smarter version of hulk actually kinda scares me.
the plane scene in ragnarok is really sad because you can see hulk dont want to go back into hiding
Remember, She-Hulk deals with her anger INFINITELY MORE, than anything you watch in this video..../snort.
Hulk has been repressed for over 5 years now, when he finally breaks out... it's gonna get rough.
and rightfully soo I cant wait to see him decimate everyone for treating him like a thoughtless sentientless disease, banner is a huge asshole for lying to us and himself about working things out with him. His smug ass fake smile goofey knowitall face did him dirty i know it.
He's definitely gonna be raging
Tbf, he did the same with Banner before for 3 years
In fairness Hulk wasn’t really “repressed” he was combined with Bruce’s personality
When he splits he’s gonna be raging though 😂
@@RyomenAyeni225 Tbh, its barely a combination. Its all bruce
Mark Ruffalo has perfect Hulk face. The others were too, eh, cute.
Fun Fact: Mark Ruffalo was originally the director Louis Leterrier’s first choice for the role of Bruce Banner in The Incredible Hulk.
@@ricardoortiz4960interesting!
…2008 Hulk was cute?
@@hob_channel Not like "mainstream" Hulk... Too dark of A character. This one's totally balanced
Hulk doesn't 'realize' he's Banner - he doesn't want to let Banner back.
F Hulk, the last moment he had his conscience, desire and personality was in Thor Ragnarok. After that he was brutally killed by Banner (off screen) in the transition to Endgame
That was me in my teenage years when my crush used to touch my hand.
I love the scene where Banner says "oh no, it is Hulkin time again !!!" before the monster takes control.
Hulk just wanna be free
WOW THEY REALLY FUCKED THE HULK UP! Even the dynamic between Natalie and Bruce changed because the writing went off in such a weird direction.
IMO: (2008) The Incredible Hulk was the most accurate rendition of the Hulk.
You need to realize that the MCU isn't the only way to experience these characters.
They did not ruin the Hulk. They ruined the MCU's hulk. Ruffalo's hulk.
You have alllll the comics, shows, and animated movies in the world to check out. Don't waste your time getting upset over comic book movies. Because if trivial things like this upset you, then god knows how many things make you absolutely miserable.
@@sarahbelle81 Wow. What an incredibly out-of-touch thing to say.
@@sarahbelle81 You’re missing the point. We may have all the other versions of hulk in comics, animated series etc but Mark Ruffalo’s Hulk is the main one right now, they’re literally just taking him a whole different way from what we actually want to see.
@@sarahbelle81 touch grass. it’s not that deep
@@kirby4815162342 i agree
Black Widow helps calm the Hulk down after the battle to ensure he doesn't accidentally hurt anyone else, and later consoles Bruce when he's worried about the casualties, silently scolding Thor for making him feel worse.
Bruce Banner would continue to go on several missions with the Avengers as Hulk, and he and Nat created a method to calm Hulk down and reverse him into Banner by using a lullaby.
That sad roar hulk did. No banner!😭
The hulk transformation is getting insaneeee
Best design of Hulk. They should remake the old Hulk movies into this version. And in the She Hulk series they should use the Hulks aggressive voice instead of the actor.
2008 design is better
Hulks voice and banners voice are different proffesser hulls mind is Bruce banner so he have his voice
@@ninjanibba4259 That's the pretty hulk.
@@Balinux there's nothing pretty about the Hulk, what is this comment?
@@ninjanibba4259btw mark's hulk and ed's hulk are the same
great scene man, amazing animation work on the hulks facial expression. maybe the only scene where we genuinely feel sympathy for The Hulk, not Bruce.
I still remember the look on Bannner's face when he found out Jen didn't have the same problems like he had in She Hulk.
Don't let this put aside what she-hulk is going through, all those mansplaining and cat calling hmmpph.
This is another one of those situations where a person takes a snippet out of the movie and makes a title for it without understanding the character
No one loves hulk..
That's the realization,, which leads him to more anger
That must suck for Hulk and Banner. To both just blink out for years like they're dead and waking up not knowing what's going on.
They really do need to make a good World War Hulk movie.
There are rumors of a world war hulk movie coming soon
*Hulk realising he's woke actor Mark Ruffalo*
"Hulk... Sad..."
Fun Fact: Mark Ruffalo was originally the director Louis Leterrier’s first choice for the role of Bruce Banner in The Incredible Hulk.
@@ricardoortiz4960 And unfortunately got rid of Edward Norton in favor of this freak instead
@@MrOrcshaman Norton “was” a PITA (pain in the a$$) to work with.
Bruh, the hulk always forgets he's Bruce when he transforms
I wish Hulk came out during Endgame when Banner needed strength to survive the snap. Something like Hulk almost takes over because the gauntlets power was fueling his rage.
The way Thor looks at Hulk in the plane scene
Even thor gets concerned when hulk is transforming back to bruce. Like this nih crazy😂
1:48 perfectly cut screams
The fact that Hulk had a consciousness of own and captured Bruce inside him is too dangerous, Bruce rightfully merged his brain with Hulk's body otherwise it would have been a disaster for him!
I love it
Mm, it's not so much that hulk doesn't realize he's also Bruce, rather, Bruce's alternate personalities are colliding.
With other Hulks, such as Red Hulk or She-Hulk, when they transform, they don't lose any sense of who or what they are, they largely stay the same.
With Bruce however, he has psychological trauma from domestic abuse, and has developed DID, but his second personality only ever shows whenever he transforms.
This Hulk looks a lot better than Soy Hulk.
I think the Hulk is a bigger reflection of Bruce's feelings. what he feels, the Hulk shows❤
I definitely see this differently than most. Hulk wasn't trying to seek freedom or seeking to avoid a BB cage. Hulk understood he was a menace even when not wanting to be; which ties in him shutting down the Quinjet tracker to begin with. The "no Banner" is not a plea but more "this place is perfect for US!!!" You gotta look at all Hulk moments together instead of in a vacuum. That was why Hulk ain't come out on Asgard to fight the wolf. It wasn't anger of switching back to Banner but just mad at leaving the world Hulk was loved; bc even Banner wasn't safe on Earth. Now the refusal to rematch Thanos was more fear based but Hulk ain't have an issue with Banner
You gotta wonder if Bruce would've smashed... would he be like yeah, I'm good
"I WENT THROUGH SO MUCH MORE THAN YOU AND I CONTROL MY ANGER INFINITELY MORE THAN YOU" the mcu is dead, and they have killed it
With Disney Incorporated, men are not allowed to suffer or express their suffering. Because 9 times out of 10, the women will be so much stronger than them because they have suffered so much more than them.
I think the reason black widow can calm Hulk is because she isn't trying to fight him, she talks to him calmly and it seems to confuse him a little. like if you came across a wild animal you don't want to scare it or be aggressive, hand low and speak calmly.
I feel bad for Hulk when he said "NO BANNER!"
Hulk woulda torn through that spaceship
That sad at the end
awe bruce love natasha
Current MCU is never gonna let Hulk shine...
They'd rather make She-Hulk season 2 😭
damn no wonder he fell in love with her
BRUCE BANNErR AND BLACK WIDOW
Russo Bros be like: let’s abandon this completely.
i GoT cAtCaLlEd oN a sTrEet
Hulk's best medicine is the kitty!!!!
“Suns getting real low “ lol that’s so corny man
i thought I was the only one lmao
I kinda don't like how hulk is more of a different entity or person... I liked the 2003 version better where it's still all him, but the real version.
I feel bad for bruce banner
That woman could melt any hulk...
Blackwidow prolly bravest human she went to calm a giant down just like that
Damn that was a struggle and all but hey he should be glad he didn't get cat called
The gun was probably created in case Thawne attacks again. Or even just another speedster.
Think about it: Thawne, Zoom, Savitar, the rival, and Godspeed. The team gets threatened by evil Speedsters ALOT. especially Iris.
It makes sense after seeing Iris “ die” last season because of Thawne that Barry would want to take extra steps to protect her when he’s not there. They’re planning to build a family after all, so his motivation is even stronger
What.
I thought the hulk bs was done with a LONG LONG LONG TIME AGO.
Hulk is Banners worst enemy.
Why couldn’t they just keep hulk the same and just this angry beast that grew with rage
@@itsbart4618 right
I feel like if at the moment smart hulk (which is basically just Bruce) snapped then Hulk came out fully for the remainder of Endgame it would've been amazing, you could bs an explanation with the snap being so dangerous that the physical and mental toll caused Hulk to come out to ensure the snap doesn't kill them
We need more things like that scene from Ragnarok! Have humor but offset it with emotional beats for characters
Mark Ruffalo is Hulk and i get it people hate Professor Hulk but that's just a phase, people cry when Hulk goes full on wimp but again that's just Hulk being a dick with Banner. It just shows people don't know Hulk at all, this portray of Hulk with Ruffalo is brilliant, we're seeing different forms but the beast will return.
I think in Ragnarok, after Hulk looked at Nat in the holocom thing, she kinda immediately trigger Banner within Hulk, and Banner was like "FUCK YOU HULK, I'M TAKING OVER MY HUMAN ASS!!"
After all of that rage, Hulk is a pretty chill dude.
waking up is no pleasure cruise thats for sure
2:00 is he saying Nat?
Be did say Nat before turning back into Bruce. I thought I was the only one who heard it.
I miss this hulk
Psychiatrist doc Samson captures the hulk and physically separates hulk and bruce banner. Their individual molecular structures began to destabilize so the vision helped Samson reunite them.
“How’s Nat?”
“Nat is uh…good!”
Meanwhile, Nat is a wanted criminal 😂
Betty Ross can calm the Hulk down to turn back into Bruce Banner.
I flippin get so angry when i see this knowing how they made him now, there was so much that could have been done with him! The feeling of anger and split personalites, self-resentment, and guilt of accidentally harming those close to you, how hard it is to make peace with yourself and everything, IT WAS RIGHT THERE AND THEY FLUBBED IT BY MAKING A LAWYER SHOW
The relationship between bruce and hulk always been bad blood, now that bruce is taking better control of it, he’ll only know he is limited without hulk, it’s like naruto not relying on kurama at all, but can tap into his powers at any time
And then they merged into Professor Hulk later lol
theres a great story about ego and super ego and personality disorder and self hate that we just never gona get
what did we get was his cousin twrkin so great job disney
I wondering when the mastro is going to show up
How to train your Hulk