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You hit the nail on the head at the start.
The objective is to curtail travel down to a prescribed list of accepted uses.
That is why you will not see the necessary infrastructure, and will pay for the battery recycling or disposal yourself when the vehicle is no longer useful.
The objective is to keep you in your pen.
Nail on the head.
spot on but joe stupid EV zealot just doesnt see it
This is a global thing. Force the average riff-raff off the roads onto unreliable, expensive public transport, leaving the roads open for the rich.
Which we will still be paying for of course. @@tonyb3629
Dead right
This whole EV Fad is going to end up bad exactly for the reasons you mention, and also for a multitude of unconsidered consequences.
We charge ours from our solar panels. Quite a fad in our house, harvesting energy from the sun. It'll be a shame when it stops shining.
Or until the battery reqires repairs, replacement or catches fire.
@@CoroDanjust dont park in the garage or near your house.
@@CoroDan The battery in your car is more toxic to the environment than the waste generated by a nuclear reactor, and remains toxic for far longer than that nuclear waste. Those solar panels are only good for around 5 years unless you do regular routine maintenance on them yourself (we are talking weekly) which can extend it out to 8-10 years, at which point you have the same problem your car batter has...some of the components are extremely bad for the environment, also the important bits cannot be recycled or re-used.
Solar power is not viable because they do not want to make or research a panel that lasts. They want you needing to replace it, faster the better. It is also toxic to the environment worse than coal, oil, and especially nuclear power (which is the cleanest of all power sources so long as you don't have uni rejects monitoring them). Wind power is the worst offender of all the green energy, as it NEEDS oil in order to function and the turbines themselves kill a lot of birds. Hydroelectric and Thermoelectric power is clean, but not efficient and similarly requires oil but not nearly as much of it.
You bought an electric car because you care about the environment, you actually end up poisoning the environment worse than any gas vehicle while doing so. Electric vehicles are also the absolute worst efficient power usage. A combustion engine take oil, burns it, and you get the energy to move the engine and the car. A very simple chemical to thermal energy exchange. An electric car? Oh man. First, you are getting power from non-green sources most of the time anyway, but let us go with your solar panels. You start with energy from the light, thermal power being used to generate electrical power that is then stored in a battery as chemical power. Remember now, every time you change energy you lose efficiency. Now you plug your car in. The chemical battery changes it back into electrical power to then charge the car battery so from electrical back into chemical (another loss). Then you go to USE the power and your car battery goes from chemical to electrical to move the vehicle (yet another loss). The efficiency of electric cars is HORRIBLE unless your car roof is nothing but solar panels and you live in a desert. If you plug into anything external from the car itself your efficiency is so low it isn't just a waste of power...it should be considered a criminal waste of power.
@@Nempo13 Wow, that's the most presumptuous bullshit I've ever seen in a CZcams comments section by a considerable margin. Good effort. I can only tell you our circumstances. Our solar panels are 5 years old and they have already completely repaid our investment. The only dropoff in efficiency (which is only a few percent) is due to dust or bird shit which I clean off once per year. The system provides upwards of 11kW on most sunny days. Our EVs, yes we have 2 - one BEV (38kWh) & one PHEV (9kWh) charge almost entirely from our solar panels and receive a useful amount of charge rapidly enough for us from our solar system which maxes out at 13.8kW. We don't use 2 all the time, so one is always able to charge during the day & we rotate use of them so that solar energy is normally used. When we don't charge with solar, we charge on our renewables plan. We have never charged at a public fast charger. The batteries, when they eventually lose too much capacity to be functional for us, will be recycled or repurposed, not sure where you get that toxic waste BS from. We go from solar direct to car, we don't have a house battery. If we did, we'd be using a smart meter & smart charger to quarantine the house battery for night use in the house, not for charging the cars. The cars we have chosen are Hyundai Ioniq PHEV & electric (earlier models - not Ioniq 5s) and are among the most efficient in terms of kWh per 100km on the road. The PHEV is used locally and is currently averaging 0.1L of petrol per 100km because it virtually never has its 50-60km range exceeded before recharging direct from solar. They don't have huge batteries so any minor extra weight & it's impact is minimised. We bought 2 second hand 1 year old vehicles with 10,000km on the clock, still with long warranty, great battery SOH & at a massive reduction on brand new price. I'd say we're doing pretty well. I consider not harvesting solar energy at all to be the biggest waste of energy humans undertake. My care is primarily for the future wellbeing of the human race in terms of (healthy) food security and standard of living. Global warming due to human induced atmospheric CO2 increases threatens that. "The environment" will ultimately look after itself. If we wipe ourselves out, you can be certain that, within the blink of an eye (geologically speaking), the planet will rebound to a new biologically diverse state of evolution.
If I were a conspiracy enthusiast, I'd opine that it's no coincidence that the same country that is home to the World Economic Forum is also the same country that is attempting to curtail the movement of citizens by imposing bans on private vehicle use.
Ve vill own ze electricity und you vill use it vhen ve say you can. While you are vaiting for ze charge you vill eat ze bugz und you vill be happy.
except they're not..
Same country that had most freedoms during coved, so nah!
@@petesmitt cookers..they’re everywhere.
Swiss templar freemasons head and home. They are an evil country that are the wealth hoarders of europe. All of Europe's money goes there and they are outside the EU while being right in the middle of it.
You gave me a good laugh when you suggested that the local government should act proactively and provide adequate charging facilities without a massive public handout ongoing fees and public shaming. Most don't even maintain their own easements or clean stormwater drains anymore.
Exactly, hence why everytime it rains, there are flash floods.
Local councils aren’t interested in offering those sorts of services. Much in the same way they don’t install petrol stations. That’s for the private sector. The only reason up to now that councils have opted to do it is so they can be seen to be green, and also it’s the easiest way to spend the green allocated dollars, spend it themselves.
What the councils should be doing is offering incentive programmes, easy permitting/planning for prospective private charging companies. Then they get to shake hands at the photo op, take all the credit and do little work long term.
The best folks to set up charge networks is the electricity supply/transmission networks.
Same as petrol and diesel, who is king of the forecourts?
The oil and gas extractors!
If the leccy networks were to set up shop, they get to upgrade their wires, THEMSELVES, to profit, THEMSELVES.
@@salibaba "What the councils should be doing is offering incentive programmes, easy permitting/planning for prospective private charging companies."
Great idea rate payer subsidises the installation and then pays again for the product, oh and let us not forget the 1001 different apps needed on our phones and the mishmash of charging connectors that will be required as there is no standard. Personally, I think the money should go into improving the Public Transport System.
@@JohnH1 thing is though, the fossil industry has been going to governments for years, hands outstretched and get bucketloads of subsidy. I don't disagree with funnelling the funds to public transport, but lets face reality, in places where everything is MILES from everything; like in Aus, the average joe finds a car more convenient. I don't like that fact, I'd rather a lovely star trek esque utopia where everyone gets a "transport", we're not in that world. If they're going to be putting cash on the table it would be better to be used as stimulus, rather then pissed away on installing 3 chargepoints for a nice expensive photo op, and the handshake with installer Dave, awarded the contract by his mate in the procurement department.
@@salibaba they also don't dredge rivers anymore
Most of us had an electric vehicle when we're children. The main problem was battery issues/cost. Nothing has changed the problem remains the same.
And the batteries in an EV are more toxic than nuclear waste to the environment, don't forget that part. Nuclear waste will become innert long before those car batteries!
@@Nempo13 Sounds like Prime A grade toxic BS to me - Nuclear waste is not only radioactive but chemically toxic. EV Batteries are being recycled. Hard to see how EV car batteries are worse than NW. Or maybe you have some credible scientific assessment to share supporting your hyperbole?
I'm still searching for...Double Deez
@@Nempo13 LOL, Your example befits a child-like understanding of toxicity, and recyclability of lithium battery products.
The only difference between men and boys is the price of their toys.
No. Infrastructure!
You are spot on as usual....
Here in the Uk we used to have a problem when there was a national football match on.
....everyone sticking the kettle on at half time. Imagine everyone with an EV plugged in Kettle on & the kids taking a long electric shower whilst they leave their 50 inch tv & Xbox left running in the back ground????
...We definitely have problems ahead for us all 🤔
Can't you teach your kids to turn things off? 🤦♂️
@@pranays you`ve obviously not tried. Fine for about a day or two then its back to normal.
X box and a 50 inch TV use as much power as 2 100w bulbs , don't think that's a big issue
I spoke to a bloke reaplaceing the over head power cable 's to my house with buried ones ( in UK ) and he was complaining the cost of upgrading the grid so everyone can have 8kwh charging was hurge and the fact it would mostly be done at night doesn't allow the transformer's to cool of at night
@@gingernutpreacherWhat would the bloke doing the work know about the cost? His grasp of budgets on something as vast as the UK's National grid would be minimal. I'll listen to the actual authority who have already said the grid has the capacity when the whole country goes EV. Sure - there'll be cases like the one in question where the grid needs an upgrade, but I'd suggest relocating overhead lines to underground will actually save them money over the long term - less maintenance and environmental wear and tear. Less problems when vehicles run into power poles.
Hello from Geneva, Switzerland 🇨🇭 Everyone here seems to drive round in AMG or M barges, Range Rovers or Porsche 911s or Macans, so pretty sure this won't affect anyone. Can't remember the last EV I saw in Geneva apart from the bus that I took to work this morning...
Which makes the situation even more baffling..........
@@TheMacronical Exactly, if there are so few EVs why the callout for the driving ban? It ain't gonna do much to help their grid.
Then switzerland is lying?
About swiss using ev's
Nice. Didn't know that Switzerland is energy deficient tho. If Germany cools Swiss will freeze. This is stupid.
Thanks John, good video. I am now in my 70's and I buy no car or bike magazines. In my late 30's I bought every motor and bike magazine that had Australian content. They had some influence over what vehicle I purchased and although it took a few bad decisions, I became aware that the magazines recommendations were biased. I now buy none. I don't even refer to their websites because of the sometimes obvious bias. I now rely on CZcams reports, but unfortunately, some of them have also succumbed to the advertising dollar. They are removed from my favourites list.
Where I live we can't charge at home, because its a condo with underground parking. That wasn't designed to handle dozens of electric cars charging. The fast charging station that is about an hour round trip away, has lineups even in the middle of the night. They also charge 8 time more per kw, than people pay at their homes.
Would you really expect your condo to be built with EV charging in mind, given the very recent creation and uptake of this technology in market acceptable form? It's now a thing that designers obviously have to take into account, and retrofitting will have to happen eventually.
"In the race of life, always back self-interest; at least you know it's trying." Jack Lang
John, I must say I'm impressed with the fact that you do use those tools that comprise your backdrop. Rebuilding a chuck, dirty work gloves hanging on the rack, Good on ya. Lots of us here in USAgony appreciate and respect your channel.
'Rebuilding' a Jacobs chuck usually just means pressing it apart, cleaning, lubricating and reassembly...
@duncanmacleod7210, I picked up on the "USAgony". I appreciate your humour. 👍🇦🇺👍
It's funny that you say that, Duncan......I was just thinking that they all seem to be in the same place each episode (apart from the props that sit on the table in the foreground...they change from time to time). Many of the tools seem never to have been used and I can't, for the life of me, understand why John has no fewer than four sets of mill hold down clamps.
None of this detracts from the value of the content in most of John's videos. It just seems that he's a bit of a tool collector (like me). Visit H&F and think "That looks useful, I might use that one day". Ka-ching goes the register. I have a very understanding wife.
@@dougsullivan9022 while it's popular to have a crack at Cado, may I suggest you think before making a dick of yourself.
The reason I say that is because Cado & I are very similar (though he's way sharper) in many ways. I try to keep my space-poor, multi-purpose mancave tidy; in fact, it's vital that I do because I HATE wasting time looking for stuff.
I also look after my tools & keep them in top working condition, making them more pleasurable to use & work gets done quicker.
I confess that I, too, have a couple of tools that I bought for that time when I'll need them, but the time hasn't arrived yet. 😉
Congrats on having an understanding wife. 👍
I was wondering why someone needs 4 sets (only the visible ones) of hold down clamps when i only see 1 drill lol...I'm sure there is a mill or 2 somewhere 😊😊
I live in a town of 160,000 people. We have six EV charging points here but only four are operational at the moment. On the other hand we do have about 35 service stations and 17 of them are open 24 hours. My new car acquisition planned for 2024 will not be an EV.
John, I was quite surprised when I took a couple of my older Ryobi One+ batteries to the local Battery World to dispose of them. The dude in the store told me that it actually costs them to include lithium ion batteries in the recycling. Why, (of course) because we can't yet recycle toxic lithium, as you have pointed out. The store will still take them because they make money on the other batteries they can send to recycling. When are the tree-huggers going to realise the environmental cost of their "renewable" socialist paradise? Answer: in about 20-25 years time when they are surrounded by toxic lithium battery blocks, squillions of un-recyclable solar panels and the blades of those masses of wind turbines. The energy is renewable; the harnessing technology is not.
Lithium isn't toxic, why are you making things up?
@@santoshrathod123why don't you google is lithium toxic
Err... maybe you haven't heard of Lithium treatment for bipolar disorder? There's nothing socialist about recycling, it's an economic benefit and profitable. Lithium battery recycling is feasible and becoming cheaper with robotic disassembly and ultrasonic metals separation now being implemented.
@@trumpisvaccinatedsoshouldy1269 unless every bipolar person needs 4000lbs of lithium to be treated i don't see how one small medical use will manage to get rid of millions of tons of used batteries.
@@Born_Stellar meteoric fail. The comment was directed at the apparent false claim lithium batteries are so toxic they are unrecyclable.
I see no reports of uncurable growing used lithium battery stockpiles, and as would be expected from a new technology there are now numerous companies extracting the valuable materials inside. If it costs money to do so, too bad, so does a used car tyre.
The point is, end to end costs, both economic and environmental, can be and will be met by responsible management. And incidentally, there's nothing socialist about legislation requiring that to happen.
In summer of 2018, when I was still in the Air Force, our base was under instruction to load shed, due to there not being enough power in the grid to support everyone’s A/C being used. My concern is, even though we have abundant coal to burn to make nice base load power, we keep shutting these down in order to be greener. Well, if Albo wants EVs everywhere, he is going to have to stop the demolition of our power infrastructure at the generator end. Put panels and small wind turbines on your house all you want, go nutts, that’s your personal call. However, right now, we as a country will not be able to sustain the EVs at numbers that the greenies demand. It is far more electrically efficient, looking at it all from a grid supply perspective to run all the fuel pumps at all the bowsers, than it would be for everyone to plug in and charge overnight. We need more coal plants so we can sustain the energy demand that would be required. Forget Nuclear, the greenies and labour and well pretty much all politicians are allergic to that idea, all because they keep thinking Chernobyl.
The irony is Chernobyl was a breeder reactor intended for plutonium enrichment exclusively for use in nuclear weapons for the USSR, it wasn't meant to power the grid but repurposed at a later date, but who cares all nuclear is bad right. Meanwhile Australia ships Yellow Cake like no one's business and no one peeps about *that* gargantuan hypocrisy. LFTR reactors ftw.
Nobody is shutting down coal to be "cleaner".
Not for a few years anyway.
The only reason our coal plants have been closing down is because the owners are finding them unprofitable.
I don't know what you expect? The more grid scale renewables that get on on the market, the less profitable our coal industry is.
Germany did. Deep-mined black coal years ago, brown lignite coal ongoing in a phased shutdown.
I used to work in Mossman, Sydney, NSW at HMAS Penguin for 2 yrs. And yes, the local government creating just 3 public EV charging points is how they roll. Brain dead.
I don't think being able to travel anywhere, or ease of travel is their end goal, when you look at the sustainable development/agenda 2030/smart city/15 minute city goals, that they actually don't hide any more.
@@shutthegate8232 yes, I understand your point. Trouble is Mossman Council is divorced from the reality of how people live, move and work. Therefore their grandiose agenda is Bollox. As is the council.
Follow the money
@@aj3793No, in this case I think you can just follow the idiots…
They can't even keep the power on when the air cons go on at the same time... good luck
My first thought here in WA. Get treated like a crim when we want to use one when it's in the 40s. Say a lot about our inadequate infrastructure.
Or dishwashers even in NSW.
Wonderful to see an honest analysis of the ethics and motivation of journalists and their employers, within the car marketing/ review sector.
I try to explain this to people all the time but I just end up with a sore head from banging it into the wall of stupidity that people have been told , I'm not sure but I suspect people are becoming more stupid by the week
As an EV owner you can obviously afford to help youself a little re the energy your EV requires.
So you spend another $30k on solar panels on your house and a powerwall to catch the energy...
in order to recharge your EV and run your house...
and not bother the grid at all.....
In fact, with the intelligent function enabled..the car and the house can FEED the grid.....
@@JohnSmith-yv6eq 30K is over 10 years of petrol and power bills for me . plus I need to leave for work early , so there wouldn't be enough time to charge the batteries from sunrise to when I leave for work .A single power wall at $10K AUD will not charge even a small EV
@@JohnSmith-yv6eq It's interesting to feed the grid or your home with you EV battery but the real life question will be: After the battery's death, was the total cost of ownership a net profit or did you actually had to pay for it? Because in the case of the latter...
NEVER HAVE TRUER WORDS BEEN SPOKEN!
actually, becoming more stupid by the day!
I have a 19mm 5/8 inch Jacobs chuck like that one you showed on a Wolf hand drill that I purchased in 1974. Still works fine and will nigh on break your wrists if it snages, only thin that has ever gone wrong is the trigger switch which I had to replace about five years ago. I have seen hand drills with 3/4 chucks as well even used one in the past, if they jam they will throw you off your feet.
It was actually one of my relatives who made the Morse taper and chuck parts. He was also a very keen inventor and made lots of stuff to do with lathes and drills, sadly none of the money shifted down to me...
First of all, greetings from Switzerland! ^^ For now, we are still not even at stage one of that emergency plan of which stage three you mentioned there would restrict mobility of BEVs here. It could still become an issue if the cold would last longer than expected, but for the moment, we are basically set to get through winter without too many issues. So, while I am also no big fan of BEVs personally, especially a certain US-brand which is unfortunately rather popular here (people here also love iPhones and I feel there is some sort of correlation between liking those shiny phones and those equally shiny cars), as long as the weather is not cursing us through January and February, we should get through unscathed. Still, I hope that acclaim for that specific brand will be muted a bit once the cars are starting to show expensive issues, but one never knows...
@Anthill Inside I fully agree. Living in the mountains, I know quite well how climate changed. Generally, it clearly goes for milder winters here, but there are also more abrupt and stronger swings towards warmer or colder weather. So, that's why I don't dare to say that we'll be well in the clear this winter. I could jinx myself by saying so when it could as well stay cold through to spring (which would very likely become an issue and said emergency protocol might have to spring into action).
Indeed, John’s rather alarmist tone on all things EV seem to lead him to generalise on the basis of what is a broader energy crisis in Europe that could see shortages of petrol and diesel become a reality. Funny how he doesn’t mention that.
@@steven4315 cool no cobalt. But cobalt is not used to make gasoline, but it is in the catalytic system for cleaner emissions. Now lets talk lithium...
@@drewmesiano7602
Are you typing this on a mobile phone or laptop with a lithium ion battery? If so, does the fact that the cobalt in the battery may have been mined with child labour in Africa weigh on your conscience?
Moreover, as we know there are alternatives to using cobalt in batteries - LFP batteries for example don’t use cobalt at all.
Cobalt is also used as a catalyst to extract sulphur from crude oil, as well as catalytic converters. Funny how that’s not a problem when it comes to driving fossil fuel cars.
@@kardy12 no because#1 I'm not an insane climate alarmist, and 2 I would love to throw this privacy invasive phone away, unfortunately can't until I officially retire. I'd be interested in Tesla's new phone to come out and see how that goes.
War time rationing of fuel, gas, electricity, food etc is nothing new.
Here in the US South, we actually had rolling blackouts for a day or two. It had been the worst cold in 25-30 years, but the power demand was higher than last time, even though lighting and HVAC are much more efficient now. It must be EVs charging all night. It’s basically like running a dryer or stove all night!
The guy doing the video has made a good point. Many coal and nuclear power plants have closed down in the US while at the same time demand for electricity is growing. I see television ads with smiley faced people touting solar power and wind power. These are intermittent sources of energy and cannot be relied upon to charge your new car. I am in the US North where the sun don't shine and the wind don't always blow. Last year we had a power outage and it was -17F (-27C). I was worrying about my pipes freezing. Eventually, your canned goods will freeze. I've never had Vegemite, but I guess it would freeze too. I think it's time to build some more nukes. I am 100 percent sure we can do it for less money than the one in Georgia.
@@daniellarson3068 just ya know, we actual yanks dn't call nuclear plants 'nukes', which is a term that refers to the bombs. (which themselves are in constant re-engineering development/stages). While i was a major proponent of nuclear power for us, it turns out it's so expensive to do it, vs an array /mix of usual suspects of power supply (even all things considered ,save except for carbon over the next say thirty yrs, then yes, we'd either need battery tech (not looking promising i guess) to store power of all types including wind/solar, or we'd need nuclear. But obviously it's a mix of all of them, and it depends on economics. Not as terribly complicated as some think, but it does require regions to interact, cooperate and for the federal gvt to be part of the coordination and funding/investment.
This infrastructure blow-up has happened in the past. When people adopted RC Air Con en-masse 20 years ago step down transformers were blowing up all over Adelaide where we all have gas stoves and HWS. The additional load of many air-con systems increased the peak load from a combination of a kettle, microwave and dishwasher to something like 5 times that for 20 times longer as well as the kitchen appliances all on at once after dinner.
Yes, and those who didn't own ACs were subsidising those who had them.
Elon.s truck basically needs it's own substation to recharge in a timely fashion.
Thunderf00t does a debunk on the Mighty Musk.
Your car runs on 30 kilowatts. This is ten times an AC.
Im in that very infrastructure game. This is a very real concern, im not anti EV in principal but the pollies are selling this when no-one is considering the poles & wires. There is load shedding now when it hits high 30's & all the extra the 6 amp household A/C's start coming on, now start plugging in Nissan Leafs in on high at 27 amps. Its a lot more involved than that yet these are the boundaries. Smart metering for control needed to be completed before any of this landslide tech started rolling in. Its all dust on the horizon right now but lets see how the EV purchasing curve will look like in 3-5 years. You cant slap a a 10" hose on the end of a 1" inch hose & think your going to get more water, you have to fix it all the way back to the supply dam
You're not getting my meters changed to "smart" so you can turn me off when you want.
@@davidhugill4668 Im not in that area & I don't care, so please don't think I do. Im about building infrastructure that takes current. The meter isn’t yours btw & they can change it, no one can stop them. The 1050 signal has been controlling household hot water systems across Australia for the 50 yrs. The network capability needs to be addressed before it gets to that stage
@@video3ish Thank goodness that I have a gas water heater and stove so I can take a bath and have hot food by candle light. (Houston, TX, USA)
The A/Cs in my house are on 50 amp breakers, I know most of that is for startup surge but I only wish it would take 6 amps to run them.
Could EV batteries become the asbestos in 2060.
No. But some people may be brain dead already, or they would have researched the recycling of lithium batteries before saying they're not...LOL.
John an excellent article. Here in the UK the Govt. wants us to have heat pumps instead of gas central heating. Back many years when I was a very young teen my parents always said never put all your eggs in one basket. So transport, heating both domestic to hospitals and lighting will all be in the same boat when the electrical system is overloaded.
Good point about Jacob's srill chucks. As an apprentice toolmaker the 6 feet radial drill had a Jacob's No 5 drill. Smallest diameter was 8 mm. Max capacity was 1¼ inches (appox 32 mm) the outside diameter was from memory about 100 mm. The biggest Wolf /B&D drill I have seen took 3 men to use and had a Morse No3 taper. They were drilling a hole in a Norton hydraulic power press in the OE factory in Smallfields near Crawley Sussex.
Keep up the good work as politicians retell the lies so often that for many folk it becomes the truth.
Now you're getting it. When it's all in the one basket (electric), with a smart meter, they have complete and total control. That's their goal, not you or anyone having access to what they need whenever they need it. It was never about the people, or the planet, it was always about control.
@Retired Bore Those houses, I think we all know are mean't a certain type of person, what we used to call "Yuppie", except back then (1980's) they had money, now they just have a lot of debt.
Here in the UK, some boroughs in London already have a moratorium on developments because there is no spare capacity available on the electricity distribution network. The solution to keep electricity demand within what can be supplied is the roll out of 'smart' meters which provide your electricity supplier with real time data on your consumption. This then allows time-of-use pricing so if the network is overloaded the price is ratcheted up until customers unplug their car because the cost of charging is extortionate. Only the wealthy will enjoy personal mobility.
I like evs and might buy one in afew years but it
Is becoming obvious that the power grid and charging infrastructure in many countries will
Never be able to support millions of cars charging
at the same time.
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Thanks John. Very few people in positions of authority seem to have the slightest interest in the holistic nature of the ev endevour we're embarking upon. In Europe it is a fragmented disaster bordering on a criminal conspiracy. We are led to believe that ev's will solve all our environmental problems - and they're really, really cheap to operate. The much higher purchase price (€10k+) added to the fractured nature of the charging infrastructure, the rapaciously high cost of commercial rapid charging (€0.8 / kwhr) and all the issues surrounding range make owning an ev a very marginal proposition indeed. I own one of the damn things and truly wish I'd never embarked on this journey. Some very serious work needs to be done by regulators to address the totality of this mess before the whole system comes crashing down.
Which one do you own?
Have you got solar panels on your house roof and a powerwall so you are grid independent for charging your EV?
Is your EV capable of feeding into the grid in an emerency?
Have you talked to your power company about any of this?
@@JohnSmith-yv6eq And there's the problem with ev and ev mentality that you people just don't get right there, the whole "can you energize the grid with it and your solar panels?" Question - It's -20 degrees outside (minus 20. Fahrenheit) and frozen outside during a days long power failure because the electric grid was already overloaded; there's no sunlight, and your wind turbines are frozen solid. Are you gonna share your last 20 gallons of generator gasoline with the power company so they can fire up their own generator for the others out there freezing their tits off due to the the power companies *own* lack of due diligence?? But it's just OK to plug your big cordless drill of a car back into the grid so *you* can do without? Welcome to Texas in February of 2021. Yeah, I didn't think you'd be willing to share your gasoline & Tesla power either. You people are criminally insane for thinking ev solves *anything*. At best it's solution in search of a problem, and at worst it's a lithium ecological mining and manufacturing and energy provision disaster waiting to happen. It's as simple as that.
And zero resale value once they reach around 10 years old as the battery replacement cost far exceeds the value of the vehicle. Oh then there is the vast recycling cost of that battery which no one has addressed. We have seen the vast warehouses full of plastic that have been discovered recently that were meant to be recycled but it was too expensive to do so. We can only wonder what the actual cost of recycling a massive lithium battery would be. Thousands .
that comment is just a load of B.S.
@@remakeit2628 lots of things are 100% recyclable, like all that plastic. Doesn’t make it economically feasible to do so. Maybe tell us how much it costs to recycle your battery then. And I would have thought given the huge volume of batteries that have already been sold and will be sold in the next decade that having an established recycling technology and process set up would be prudent rather than crossing fingers and hoping.. You know given the whole point of these expensive impractical vehicles is all about the environment. As for 80% after 20 years, ah ha. Sure. Even if true, 80% of an already short range compared to an ice vehicle, and we won’t mention the 20% plus up to 35 or 40% reduction in cold weather experienced in many parts of the world. Like I said, utterly unsalable.
In Australia many families have had driving restrictions imposed on them because they cannot afford the price of fuel thanks to the war in Russia.
Boolocks
@@lesliesmart2417 what do you mean bullocks? Diesel got a high as $240. I know of families that had to reduce their driving because they couldn't afford to fill their cars. Are you living in a dream world?
Ive been wondering myself where this is going for the future. Here in my town in the UK we have had 3 underground cable fires this year alone. Supposedly caused by higher current drain "Due to modern requirements". i.e EV cars and plug in hybrids. So are we looking at a future of Powercuts due to power supply failure.
Cool, I'll just keep driving my 351 Cleveland powered Mustang. Sounds better than any EV
Until they cut off your fuel supply.
@@stever285
And you don't think governments can't remotely turn off your EV?
Or an old diesel can run on chip oil
And I'll keep driving my 460 powered Econoline and my V-12 Jag.
@@ThanhNguyen-ds1kl The big and I would have thought obvious difference, is that the greens go home and have wet dreams about the day they can shut down the petrol chemical industry in all it's forms. A ban on petrol and diesel cars, very much on their to do list and they will turn the taps off to enforce it.
You are totally correct! This problem of the lack of infrastructure after getting more than half a million EVs on the road is now causing major problems in the UK !
Tesla is the only company who built their supercharger points out all over the world before they made a million cars a year. If a start up like Tesla against all the shit thrown at the company to try and make them fail can still achieve that, then why can't governments get their act together?
Basically they want people to buy cars then make it super difficult to use them.
Very interesting report JC, as an Aussie living in Switzerland, I can tell you that if it does come to rationing electrons, it will affect a whole lot more than just the electric chariots of private bankers. A large number of Swiss homes have been converting their gas central heating systems for electric heat pumps given the spike in gas prices due to Putin's war in Ukraine, so this will also place a large strain on the grid this winter. Limiting EV use would likely be part of a larger set of rationing rules.
Regarding the Swiss kink for EVs: Where I live, in Switzerland's third largest city, the public transit authority have recently been patting themselves on the back for purchasing a fleet of 30 battery electric buses to run city routes. In a city already electrified with high voltage overhead lines for trams, why is it necessary to have a bus rolling around with 3 tonnes of lithium-ion on board? It's like they've never heard of a trolley bus. Also, the local government department here specifically created legislation allowing the cantonal police to purchase about 1.5 million francs (about 2 million Aussie micropesos) worth of Tesla Model X's as the standard 'squad car' without the purchase having to be released for public comment and review. Guh.
Direct democracy at it's finest... Baselstadt or Baselland?
Sad thing is that the US wanted this war and spent months provoking Putin to start it. But the war is not a cause but an effect of deeper problems, like civilisational energy maximising out.
Reported the excrement of a body louse.
Your remark about aud being pesos is ...............
Wow I thought Switzerland was an intelligent country and immune to such BS.
At 15:47 ....Ii see you have "taken to heart" the filming usage of the wide-angle lens that I noted some months ago...the "big hands" thing...so very entertaining, a great comic relief!
What strikes me with our current Govt. is that on one hand they're pushing these things flat out and the next thing that comes out of their mouths is that they're trying to keep electricity prices manageable and guarantee supply..................
I mean is it just me or is the fact that the two are pretty much diametrically opposed in terms of outcomes just completely moronic?
Our government(s) of all strips have lost the plot. Sensible, well thought through and enacted policies are quirks of history now. Lessons need to be relearned, apparently, the hard way.
John, you are spot on. And at least for one issue, the solution is simple: in straya, the only car reviewer I trust is you.
It's hard enough to find LPG in remote areas, let alone an EV charging station.
Remember Top Gear? I think this was part of why they were so popular, they ripped on cars and car brands all together. But they were big enough to still get new cars, but nothing average. Nobody would risk a bad review on their daily driver.
John, you could make a fantastic collaborative podcast series with AvE , the combined play on language, humour and engineering banter would be stupendous not to mention skookum 😊
AvE went off the deepend during covid.
@@joa6984 yeah maybe so but he still has a certain something, but his product tear-downs were next level
Ave hasn't been funny in years. Dudes
Bruh I reckon John is a lot like AvE too. Spot on
A great report on the EV infrastructure, John.
Lets hope some of the political turkeys, in this country, were listening, and even better, understanding.
Poli waffles cant read or understand commoners dude
More people should adopt the slogan "Go woke go broke". Methinks that one solution would be for densely populated areas like Mosman to have energy pooling from house solar panels to community Battery Banks for charging cars with underground services. Pay households for providing the power, charge customers to charge their vehicles. Evidently connecting Solar Panels to the Grid can destabilise its regulation. Another solution is for councils to adopt a policy for any re-development for a housing site that off street parking is mandatory banning on street parking.
First country that is doing something smart. They are understanding the limits of power and EVs.
Thanks, greetings from the UK. I have an EV, and love it, so now let's move on to your points, which are all well made.
EV adoption in the UK is now slowing due to high EV purchase price,high power costs, difficult public charging, no offroad parking for homes, soon premium tax, and soon excise duty, or road tax as it is wrongly named. Public charging points now cost a similar amount to ICE vehicles, so you need offroad parking, home charger and cheap overnight tariff, solar as well if you have it, to make it work.
Moving on to recycling, I spent my entire career in the recycling industry, particularly hazardous wastes, oil,solvents,plastic,tyres,mineral and mining waste etc. We were very innovative, I would love to tackle EV batteries, but until there is a regular supply of these scrap batteries nothing will happen.
At the moment many used batteries will find a second life rebuilt as home storage, who cares if an 80 Kwh car battery now only has a 40Kwh capacity, that would be a huge home battery with many more years of use.I think it will be 20 years at least before a viable end of life recycling industry will evolve.
You can dig these raw materials out of the ground and have big refining costs, or have a concentrated and relatively refined material in a used battery, may need a bit of Gov subsidy to get it operational, but it will happen.
Interesting about the innovation in recycling. I agree that it might be possible to reuse old vehicle batteries in homes; but I’d worry that the batteries simply wouldn’t be reliable enough or gradually lose capacity predictably. No point filling the garage with batteries that have 10% capacity and don’t charge efficiently. Also, battery chemistry will change - the lithium cells in use now may change composition and so it may be cheaper to landfill them than put a lot of energy in to recover say, the cobalt, even if this is a valuable metal. Fundamentally, EVs simply don’t store enough electricity to be viable as vans and lorries, and we don’t have anywhere near enough electrical generation or infrastructure planned let alone being built to take over from diesel and petrol within a decade or two. It’s simple - we need fossil fuels as electricity can’t do it alone. We have a PHEV and it’s great. Can’t understand why these aren’t enough. 50 miles of pure electric range is properly useful. Cuts down a lot of city emissions. Saves fuel for long distances. Seems like pure EV vehicles are a political control agenda - designed to keep ordinary people from owning a car, and to limit the mileage of those who can afford a (EV only) vehicle.
@@sullivanrachael but batteries won't degrade down to 10%. That's not in their chemistry.
And the "political agenda" part is just down right craziness.
It's true that vans, lorries and trucks are (at the moment) seemingly not a good fit for EV's. Things might change, but they definitely, currently, aren't well fit for that.
Excellent commets. It's what's needed in this debate. I have an ev and hate it as an inconvenient motoring catastrophe - range is nothing like claimed and the away from home EU charging infrastructure is a nightmare on so many fronts. Until affordable range ev's arrive and supporting en-route convenient charging is available, I say stay away.
@@balkanleopard9728 what EV do you have? Not having range as advertised should give you some line for recourse based on false advertising, right?
Lithium ion storage batteries have different production methods as there is no internstional standard, the batteries also differ from producer to producer.
Many off the components are not recoverable, toxic and leach into environment.
The "regional" issue was dismissed by the ACT government as irrelevant because "most Canberrans don't ever really cross the border". I wish I was joking
Good news on the future of energy, potentially even for Australia.
Abilene Christian University has just announced commencement on the construction of the first molten salt research reactor built in the US since the 1960s.
This is an important step along the way to developing highly efficient relatively inexpensive small fission power reactors that can use the thorium cycle.
This is important for Australia because it has abundant thorium reserves and because the molten salt reactor requires little cooling water so can be used in desert and dry locations away from rivers, coast etc.
Molten salt reactors only generate a small fraction of the waste produced by pressurised water reactors and most of the waste produced is short lived. The material that would otherwise be waste also has applications as isotopes in medicine and industry
Looking forward to the video where you show us how to disassemble & reassemble a chuck, John.
As much as l agree with the improved air quality EV's should bring to city life but in the UK l see the ownership of EV's will only become available for the chosen few due to the fact about two thirds of population live in city properties without vehicle off-street parking. The lack of alternative charging infrastructure with all the issues that brings up and the high purchase cost of EV's.
Keep up the great videos and stay safe.
Did you see Brown Car Guys video on the air quality in central London, prior to Khan's ulez ? He took an air quality meter on the streets and it never peeked above safe levels until he took it on to the underground where pollution was at dangerous levels, even at the entrance the levels were very high.
There will be no power for a EV car to charge with , the interstate trucks have gobbled up 110% of all the power available.
Happy Christmas 🥃🎄🥃
14:01 John's figured out what's going on in Canberra. Nailed it.
We can only hope this spreads across the world and bureaucracies wake up.
don't hold your breath
Bureaucracies are generally full of those who failed their high school physics, chemistry, mathematics, and biology exams, and only just scraped through their high school English exams to fall over the line as another know nothing lawyer. No wonder there are no actual real world achievers in government essential for actual real world decision making, and forward progression.
Politicians and bureaucrats only watch at their belly buttons and in the longest terms of their election / re-election / career. Long term thinking for the planet or the people are not part of their plans and interests, topmost only their families.
@@Bigvs.Dickvs actually, looking after their own pockets
Ever gone to a fuel station at peak holiday time like Easter on the East Coast. Fuel pumps are clogged and queued with a 5-10min turnaround, what could go wrong for EV's? Especially when you include the downtime of the facilities.
Like most EV owners (especially here in Aus) you "fill up" at home?
@@hargeaux sure, as long you don't have to travel more than 200kms each way.
@@itsus3172 sure. I'm sure you've convinced yourself that's most Australians....
But it ain't.
And if you're travelling a fair distance to a destination (winery etc) in all likelihood they'll have a destination charger anyway.
Edit: and as an example of day to day driving, I probably travel further than the average person travels for work every day. 40km
80km round trip.
Even if I couldn't charge at work (which increasingly is happening) I would be getting home with 84% charge in a Hyundai Kona. My 80km day only uses 16% charge in the Kona.
I can easily charge that overnight on a 10A plug if I wanted to.
@@hargeaux I did that. Sent my wife and kids off with 200 miles range to a location 75 miles away. When she went to leave due to it being cold the car had 50 miles of range left. So she stopped at the first charger she could and charged enough to get home and my kids slept in their beds that night. Now imagine the chargers were all used at the time she got there? What does she do then? Sit and wait 30 minutes or an hour for a spot to open up? With my kids in the car? I'm sure they would sit there quietly for that long (yeah right). Lesson learned, if the round trip isn't half or less the stated range, we take the good old gas car.
@@joecoolioness6399 not everyone lives in such a cold climate.
My whole country (Aus), doesn't get to the temperatures that can cause that degradation. (Except for a handful of mountain towns)
Plus, LFP batteries don't experience that either.
Actually, is your car the Prius, that sort of range loss is extreme, and most new EVs won't show that much range loss...
Bought an BEV several years ago. Also converted to all LEDs, Star appliances and day/night motion detection exterior lighting. Low and behold my electric bill has gone down about $10 US a month. Modern Level II chargers have the ability to set your charging times. Charging late at night and early AM also helps to balance the electrical load.Tesla is supposed to put on a Tesla Roof with two Powerwalls some time in the next year or so and I should be close to net-zero paid for with the savings from not buying fuel for an ICE car. It is a matter of your commitment to reducing your electrical use.
Pro tip: Before purchasing a motor vehicle that requires an electric power source for extended periods to make it usable, *consider whether you have a suitable power source available* .
Buying an EV and running an extension lead out onto the street to charge it... face frigging palm.
John, Anyone that buys an EV as their only car is nuts. The way to go is an EV as a city car and an ICE car, ute or suv to road trips. Just saying. 🤗🇦🇺📷
That is how I do it. Can't imagine relying on just my EV. I had one day where I my elderly Mother and my son both went to the ER the same day. My wife took my son in the EV and I used the ICE car to go back and forth between ER's for a couple days. Couldn't have done that with my EV.
Just plug a few more petrol generators in at the other end haha
The batts will get damaged discharging too low too often as well. Guess some people think they can control everything.
I had my bi-annual fire training today at work (I'm a mall cop lol) and I asked if there was any training regarding EV's and Lithium batteries. The trainer said it's not on their radar but he said that the QFS is formulating something.
He then said that the risk of fire from EV's are low and I just thought "yeah but so is a active shooter in Australia an you just trained me on that".... he then said that the Lithium batteries I would come across are small (other than EVs) and used scooters as an example. I then proceeded to tell him that all the cleaning machines and security buggy are now running on Lithium instead of lead acid.. he just gave me a blank look. Between all that equipment there is over 600kg of lithium batteries all kept together in close proximity overnight.
Its actually insane how we're overlooking this!
Recycling also got the same issues with Solar panels and Wind Turbines (though someone showed you could use them as shading cars in car park). Solar you can pull the aluminum and silver out of the panel but the rest is land fill for now (though some panels are used by off-griders and sent O/S hopefully to be reused rather than paid to bury them or burn them).
All that recycling costs energy too, everyone forgets how many joules of energy it takes to melt a metal; over and over again into something new
When will we accept the consequences for disposal, of the products we build.
The Dump it/Bury it attitude persists. Every product must be designed so there's
an economic incentive to disassemble and either re-use or return to the environment safely.
If such engineering and infrastructure does not exist, Do Not build it.
@@reasonablespeculation3893 It also needs to be designed to last.. a long time. Like things used to be. Noe use and toss, like 97% of the expensive CRAP we're forced to buy today, everything on the market, just because economy. I get a lot of shit for daily driving (it's my only running vehicle now) a 23 year old Ranger that still works. That has long ago paid off all its creational energy debt and isn't chock full of disposable engine and dirty tech I didn't need or want. My old washing machine was 25 years old, but I can't get a solid 5 whole years out of a $1,900 HE machine or even 2 without a major breakdown. Forget using a phone today without terminal battery cancer 2 years in and no removable battery. I mean really it would be funny if it wasn't so goddamn infuriatingly irritating and disasterous
Solar panels are largely just glass and copper - if it is of value it can be easily recycled. At the moment glass generally goes to landfill.
If you are looking for recycling whinges ,how about a really toxic one: used lube oil for ICE vehicles?
@@paulg3336 I'm not going to dignify what's already well-known about battery & solar cell recycling with a response, or where used oil goes.
Thanks John head of nail hitting segment.
Regards Tony
I find it interesting that rather than having 3 forms of energy for our daily lives, they want us to cut out 2 (petrol/diesel and gas for our homes) and leave us with just electricity!
👆👆sᴇɴᴅ ᴀ ᴅɪʀᴇᴄᴛ ᴍᴇssᴀɢᴇ ᴛᴇʟᴇɢʀᴀ'ᴍ ʀɪɢʜᴛ ᴀᴡᴀʏ ✍️,,
It makes you easier to control.
On a "positive" note, here in Colorado EVs are less than 5% of the vehicles driven daily. The distances between population centers are simply too far for most people. Add in the pricepoints, and needing to install an charger at the home, and most peeps are saying "no thanks." And I live in a metro area. The further you go into the rural areas, the rarer an EV becomes. Understandably so.
Dear John, I like the Swiss, especially their timepieces. In my pursuit of one the rarest tomes in the world is the Encyclopaedia of Swiss Comedians. Could never find this issue. I never paid attention at school, so my grammar is not up to standard. I hope you understand. All the best.
I wouldn't worry about grammar too much. Grammar, like language itself, is an ever moving target, changing and evolving through time. There is no Academy Anglias as such to hand down rulings on what is and what is not proper English.
Consider the Oxford coma. Is it correct or incorrect? Depends on who you have to genuflect to. Consider the apostrophe. Grammarians can not agree on its use. Lynne Truss says an apostrophe is to be used to indicate ownership by inanimate things like a week's worth. Kate Burridge says no. In the 18th century apostrophes were used to indicate plural, but not any more. Is British spelling correct or American? Depends on your spell checker, except if you're coding HTML in which case "color" is the only tag which will be recognised as code while "colour" will not be recognised. Are emojis OK? We never used to use them so they are OK for some people and we may even be witnessing a new scrip of hieroglyphs evolving in real time. It's rather exciting except to self appointed board members of the Academy Anglias. May emojis get stuck in their pompous throats.
More than to establish a consistent cannon on grammar for ease of use by all, rules of grammar are used to distinguish "our club" insiders as refined from everyone else who are dirty rascals like a masonic handshake. My philosophy on grammar and language is descriptive, not prescriptive.
@@retiredbore378 Spelling mistake. Opps.
Hey John, as a “muck-caninc” since 88 and now an educator (fancy name for Automotive teacher), interested in your thoughts on the shortage of techs, repairers and service personnel required for EVs. As well as the lack (at the moment) of training for these positions. Some of the training doesn’t even exist, yet. ☹️
I raised this training issue internally in Tafe back in 2015, but the mechanical mob were in denial.
Doubtful the LNP will want to do anything about funding any NSW Tafe improvements given their appalling record.
Except that much less servicing is required for EVs. BYD is upskilling MyCar employees. I bet the same clutching of pearls happened when the horse and cart was replaced.
I accept the traditional “grease and oil change” doesn’t apply to an EV. Though many things will stay the same, from wiper blades to wheel alignments. Places like panel shops and other supporting businesses ..even the wreckers will need understanding/training around these vehicles.
@@notmyrealname8080 Why would you think EV's has that much less servicing is required. It's just different type of service? And it will be more expense for you to pay.
@@horsham2966 Do you really think there is no grease or oil in an EV? Just a ton of wiring to short out for some one to spend days looking for the short! This will be a windfall for garages if they can keep up with the demand of repairs.🤣🤣
I guess that's why in the early 20th century 38% of vehicles in the US were battery driven, but then they found that other fuels like diesel and petroleum as it was easier, highly energy dense and convenient and quick in reloading your vehicle to carry on your travel. We had many years ago research into reducing the pollutants coming from the exhaust and things became much cleaner. Then we used gas and that was cleaner again and little changes were needed to an existing vehicle.
Much like the non-recyclable wind turbines and the solar panels that are intermittent at best we would also need not only coal but nuclear or thorium energy using 2.5 or 3gen plants or mini modular containers.
But then again they want to restrict people's movement. The lockdowns were a test case and this is how they, the governments of the world want to manage their 'livestock' as they call us.
People are being slowly cooked as they turn up the heat of the saucepan and that frog (us) will only catch on till we're basically cooked. The gov is NOT our friend.
Inetresting video on the electric conudrum. Have noticed that few seem to have grasped that the swing to E V is not really supported by the infastructure to match it. I have a Niro HEV, which if you factor in all the costs of buying/running, still the cheapest option. As an ex toolmaker the Jacobs chuck diversion took me back 30 + years. Still have my Etalon Swiss micrometer, 60 + years old now still as good as new & needs no battery's.
How does a lifetime reading car magazines inform you? Very little or not at all.
Knowing your ‘love’ for Volkswagen, John, I had to laugh when one of their adverts followed this show! 😂 Have to agree re car reviews in general and basically the manufactures holding all the cards. I do remember ‘Car’ magazine here in the UK used to be one of the more outspoken publications. They ran a cover years back, in the late eighties I think, with a lemon carrying a VW logo on the cover. They’d basically had a long termer Golf GTi in their fleet for 6 months or a year or something that was just a pile of crap, hence the lemon on the cover. I don’t know if they would have balls to do the same today mind you.
... is their any british car brand that is still owned by british and known on mainland ?
@@_Alfa.Bravo_ Difficult to think of one. Rolls Royce is BMW, as is MINI, Bentley Is Volkswagen, Jaguar Tata, Lotus I think Chinese owned, maybe the Middle East, you lose track! Even Morgan, I understand, is no longer British owned. The more mainstream, such as Vauxhall, that still survive, were gobbled up years ago by the majors or have disappeared altogether, such as Rover after their dalliance with BMW and subsequent Management buy out. The Chinese company SAIC bought MG and seem to be making a success of it, with fairly decent products at cheap prices.
CAR magazine was by far the most intelligent car magazine available. Other mags were powder puffs in the pocket of the car companies
Merry Christmas, John.
Enlightenment: so obvious and so clear now you have explained it. Thanks from the Scotland.
Sounds like the reverse of the problem over here in Wait Awhile - I have heard that due to the number of them over sunny here, for new solar installations Western Power retains the right to shut down power coming back into the grid due to overloading (in)... by the way, that shuts down the house power too. Tough luck about your fridge on that 40+ degrees day :(
Funny you mention that, had my solar system upgraded roughly 6 months ago, the installer told me to be quick or I’d miss the deadline, handing control of my system to Western Power. I wasn’t aware the main feed in would be shut off as well? That sucks, I believe in other states the providers can shut down air conditioning units etc during peak power usage times! It all started with these ‘SMART METERS’😮
Or you do what my inverter does - it has two separate inverters, one feeds the house from the battery and solar panel and the other independent inverter feeds the grid - no grid, no problem.
I built my house a little over a year ago. Not allowed to cut down the trees that shade my roof due to green regulations but I’m expected to put in solar panels on the shaded roof anyway. We live in clown world.
No it does not Paul.
They absolutely do not turn off the power to your house.
They curtail your solar generation.
That is genuinely an out and out lie.
@@rescueert it doesn't shut off the main feed.
I install these day in day out and I can tell you they do not cut your main power.
Well, other than the possibility of rolling blackouts, but they've always been able to do that.
The new installation that are happening in WA only aid in solar curtailment. Not really something you should be worried about. It won't affect the amount of solar production that feeds your house though. So just turn the AC on suck up those rooftop electrons.
I'm all for EV's but acknowledge that they aren't feasible in Australia unless it's town use. But I think our electrical grid has always been garbage and couldn't even handle our daytime usage during summer. The power plants we have here profess to our cowardice as a nation to make bold moves with securing our energy needs. If you leave big infrastructure to market forces then expect either collusion or fragmentation to no benefit of anyone except the wealthy. We should leave important infrastructure to public ownership. It has been proven that capitalism can be just as inefficient and exploitative if not more so than the public sector.
The energy market we have was created by government over the years - and I admit it is abysmal.
Perhaps government should create and distribute the energy directly without a market - as you propose.
When government creates a market it acts like the referee in a sports game.
When government supplies a service directly it acts like a player in a sports game.
Do you think Anthony Albanese's team would make better players or better referees?
Solar arrays are limited by grid capacity. Typically a house can put less than half the power it can generate in summer on to the grid. I have a 16KW array and a 6KW inverter.
Winter is more of a problem.
@@davidvanderklauw maybe people should vote for competent government. The reason i prefer Labor is because they're never competent enough to get any of their plans through.
Governments rarely act as fair referees. They're always picking winners. If they ran things directly and were the only ones, not just one of the retailers, then at least there would only be one party to blame and limits deflection.
Obviously market forces would leave any unprofitable area unserviced and even lots of profitable ones because they're not worth the effort.
@@davidvanderklauw WA practically does exactly that.
And "McGowans team" aren't the players. That's a complete failure to comprehend the possibility of public infrastructure. Duly qualified individuals, just like in a private firm, are in charge of ensuring the infrastructure is running appropriately.
The players and referees analogy is completely unfounded.
Infraestructure is the only one thing everybody agrees the government should be doing.
I'm all for an EV, but seeing the lack of charging infrastructure on a recent long trip the other week worries me. Lack of and so many not working (about 1 in 4).
Chicken or the egg (or the turkey they call Government).
Thanks for the heads-up, John.
Hmmmm, how long until battery disposal end of life is included $$$ in the purchase price of the car, (like a deposit on a beer can ?)
What do you think about the government move to get people to switch from gas to electric appliances?
Does not seem like a good idea to me,
It's hard enough keeping the lights on during Xmas, specially on hot days!
Old Irish proverb
When you see all the people going one way Go the other way 😅
You hit the nail on the head at 14.00 mins. , when you remind us viewers that this world's headlong urgent rush to battery powered vehicles is being driven by individuals who have extremely limited technical understanding, and are absolutely motivated only for political reasons. With those people at the wheel, we can be certain that this is all going to end very badly.
At the age of 76 years, it will not impact too much on me, but I fear for you youngsters.
This time last year, when I was on Amber Electric, who give wholesale prices plus fees, my power bills were through the roof. And my feed in tarrif pathetic. There were power shortages then.
John. John. John. Thank you so much for talking about the recycling of the batteries, or well rather lack there of. I tell the most die
hard greenie time and time again that I will NEVER be convinced by the electric car until there is a clean and efficient way to recycle the batteries. All very fine good and well to do zero emissions drive for all so long, but no one can actually tell me how to recycle the batteries. So do we chuck old units in the Pacific ocean? Or have a massive bonfire undoing the wonderful zero emissions driving? Off course you and I know a good school vehicle like a Corolla or Falcon of sorts, when eventually they reach end of life around 90ish% of the whole vehicle can be broken down and recycled again. Europe has experienced the problem of old EV's with buggered batteries and not faintest idea or clue what to do with the worthless and useless white good of a car that has used valuable resources and is now nothing more than an anti green garden ornament. Ah well, at least a government's and greenie are good at being short sighted and looking short term I suppose... But thanks and huge ups to you again John. Can I please buy you a beer?
An acquaintance of mine bought an MG EV recently and did a round trip to Gin Gin WA fully charged (about 180km) and it was a hot day so used the a/c. He had to turn off the a/c on the return trip otherwise he would not have made it home. Suddenly he relised he became very restricted. He said that he did`nt see a charging station, but from most of my travelling around the countryside, they are diesel powered. Well said again John, no thought to how the infrastructure will be implemented. My bitch is that all us tax payers are footing the bill, not private enterprise. That money needs to go to what Australia needs.
Should have done their research. The real-world range of the MG EV is way below their advertised value, like 100km less than advertised. Many reviewers have shown this. Also, WA is way too big and too far to anything for low-range EVs. They should only be city cars if they have less than 400km real-world range. That gives room for a day trip with the AC on.
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A few months ago in the UK, there was an interview with a government/energy spokes person where the same question about whether the charging infrastructure could cope with the drive (see what I did there) towards ever more EVs.
The answer? "Don't worry, there's plenty of time." Really.
Ask ANY project manager what that really means will happen... We're screwed. lol
Why is there an expectation that public EV charging stations should be provided by councils or other govt agencies? Do we expect councils to provide petrol stations for ICE vehicles? Or is it left to private industry to fill that space? Why should it be different for EVs?
Great question. And the answer is, the government decided to make EV's winners by using every tax payers money to help pay for them. Which means they are not market viable and we have already seen massive drops in sales once the incentives dry up.
There’s not enough raw materials to make the batteries just for Australia let alone the rest of the world, hell the UK are banning I.C.E cars by 2030 but if the world produced 3 times as much lithium that they produce now, it would barely be enough to cover that one country.
Banning the sale of NEW ICE cars......
If they can't make the batteries then they can't make the EVs - so for any one who doesn't like EVs it's problem solved.
@@danielstapler4315 Thankyou
Guess again. Sodium is replacing lithium in the next generation batteries - sodium is the salt in the sea.
Raw materials availability is a result of a combination of exploration, mining, refining and recycling. All of these are expanding (though we could argue not quickly enough) so it's not fair to state today's raw materials availability as where we'll be in 2030.
For example, in UK we have large amounts of lithium available underground and an expected 4,000 tons of lithium extraction per annum online by 2026 across four sites. We were already at 1,500 tons per annum extraction from one site one year ago, with three new sites being built over the next 3-4 years. Industry needs 59,000 tons of lithium carbonate by 2035 to meet UK EV production demand, so we'll be pretty much there just with what resources we've found so far.
Now repeat this process for each country with known lithium deposits and active exploration. The market demand will help decide where the mining and refining is most cost effective to build. There is no shortage of lithium deposits from my limited understanding.
What about the ordinary wage earner who does not benefit from a Novated lease, they get no deal on EV's. Means bugger all to me on a basic wage.
Step 1) Listen to the ads just before an election.
Step 2) Walk into polling booth and put a "1" above the line next to your favourite footy team (I mean party) - same as last time.
Step 3) Hope things will improve.
Great report. Our home uses 18kw average per day in Dorrigo. Given a recharge of 60kw per car in say 8hrs is needed. We need to triple our grid supply to the town. If you ask your Dorrigo electrician for, say a three-phase outlet and they check with Essential Energy and will be informed no capacity. That is near town 1km. Essential Energy does not want to invest in small towns due to high-cost poor return.
You have no idea about electrical units. Recommend you Google Kw, Kwh
regarding battery recycling, surely once the highly demanding role of vehicle use is exhausted, they can be re purposed to domestic home use, caravan parks, public parks etc.
Australia does face the same problem it just isn't from extreme cold but every year for the a while now we get blackout during summer due to the load of cooling which also make it that much worse because if everyone is out all day then comes home during summer they pull in plug in their car then walk inside and crank the AC
And the solution to that is smarter people. And if that isn't possible, smart home solutions.
If you have solar, you should be turning your AC on *during the day* to keep your house cooler (while not drawing electricity from the grid) and also allowing you to turn your AC off earlier at night (your house doesn't get as hot).
As John stated, the biggest issue in this space is electrical heating of cold regions. We are essentially immune to that problem.
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@@hargeaux they aren't solutions they both rely on the person being intelligent and tech savvy which majority aren't, Smart homes are currently way out of most people's comfort zone and majority of homes don't have solar and the incentive to get it are almost non existent with energy companies are asking to be able to remotely shut off people's grid feed
@@shaynegadsden not grid feed.
They might reduce a customers solar output, but they are not gaining access to kill their *grid feed*.
That is patently wrong.
And the customer does not need to be tech savvy, these can be requirements of the installation of the EV charger. Just like *right now* we have similar requirements for every single solar installation.
@@hargeaux your solar output is your grid feed and they don't have the ability to reduce the feed only turn it on or off
Hey John, how much excess electrical generation capacity does Aus currently have? Is it enough to cover the daily consumption of gasoline? If not, how much additional generating capacity would be required?
an average car averaging 20kw for an hour to work and an hour back will use an average of 40 kwh ,
To put that in perspective most frugal households will use a minimum of 10 Kwh, so my guess is a factor of 1:4
About ten years ago, electricity companies were upgrading their networks and were passing the cost to consumers. They were accused of “gold plating” their networks. Now people are saying that the electric infrastructure is inadequate. What happened to all this “gold plating”?
They gold plated the existing network but didn’t start creating, or even planning for the new network required to realise their green wet-dream.
@@nobody6056 ahh ok thanks for replying.
Even a cursory check of the alleged claim would have shown immediately that the claims were totally false. Fact checking is not that difficult and avoids looking stupid.
I read that Australia's largest EV public charging station was opened... it has a whopping 12 chargers.
Everyday life is getting more and more restricted. We have lost so many of our freedoms and sadly most people don't care at all. I'm in no rush to give up my '79 Kingswood or my '03 Falcon for some EV!!
You're not taking the Kingswood!
@@davidvanderklauw I did just shampoo the mudflaps!
Indeed, the Gaia Worship is shrinking our world, our choices and opportunities. I'm 63, and life is beginning to look as restricted as it did in my childhood, energy too expensive to heat the home (we couldn't cool it those days anyway), housing out of reach and very few options, etc. Australia is going backwards, fast, and nobody seems to notice.
Settle down,no one is taking you petrol vehicles. But, you won't be able to buy a new one in the near future, and EV infrastructure will start to overtake petrol and diesel. There is a race and pressure on for manufacturers across the globe to improve the technologies and range will be extended..........or it could end up a phase like gas conversions, or diesels in everything is better fads.
It's only going to get worse. One of many effects of #PeakOil which probably happened in November 2018. It's why we have this stupid Ukrainian war with many others lined up on the Pentagon's to do list. Smash and grab central Asia energy resources is US State Department policy under any lies you can get away with.
I live in the upper hunter. We have had 2 new servos in muswellbrook (now 8) and a third being built in Scone now. Still no charging sites being built. Amazing Evs 4 dayz. If it takes me 5 mins to fill my ute, and we need that many servos for the cars on the road, and an ev takes 45mins to charge on the hop.... how many charge stations would we need compared how many servos we have now.
An excellent report, as usual John 👌🏻
Don't be silly JC, the pollies think that EVs will miraculously charge themselves every time you fart in the driver seat
As an EV owner you can obviously afford to help youself a little re the energy your EV requires.
So you spend another $30k on solar panels on your house and a powerwall to catch the energy...
in order to recharge your EV and run your house...
and not bother the grid at all.....
In fact, with the intelligent function enabled..the car and the house can FEED the grid.....
@@JohnSmith-yv6eq $30K just for rooftop solar and a Powerwall? Interested in buying a bridge at all?
To be fair, they'll shut down your car after the ski resorts shut down.
So it's quite far down the list
We all know that most car makers are dollars driven , I watched a review on the latest landcriuser, he said if you want to tow a caravan around the country buy one , if you want to do the school run do not buy one. One car does not tick all the boxes. I have a lot of respect for a car maker who told me the good points and the limitations of his car.
A while ago the power providers wanted the ability to turn off the AC in houses to prevent power over loads durning summer.
So what is going to happen when thousands of EV are all charging after work all year ...I had wondered about this some time ago. Do they want the same ability. Cheers
They have the ability and will use it in extreme situations. It's called load-shedding. It's not a preferred method for solving problems but it will get used if something big and expensive on the grid is about to break.