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Not On Record REWIND | EP#31 | The Problem With Alex Jones
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- čas přidán 29. 06. 2024
- Criminal Defence Lawyers Joseph Neuberger, Michael Bury, and CZcams personality, legal researcher and host of the UnTrue Crime podcast Diana Davison, sit down and discuss the aftermath of their trials and the emerging and alarming changes to our legal system. A behind the scenes inside look into real courtroom drama.
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I love Alex Jones. I'm a free speech absolutist. If you want to use the power of government to shut down a man's speech, you are a fascist or a communist. If you disagree with someone's opinion, you are supposed to use _more_ free speech to _counter_ their arguments, _not_ the government to shut them up.
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He led about the families, and sent his followers there to harass them. They desecrated a child's grave, sent death threats, stalked them, etc. The whole time Jones knew he was lying.
Anyway, here you're whining that the families fought back. The government didn't do a damned thing...the families had to hire lawyers and take him to court for violating the law and their rights, and they won. Anyway, Freedom of Speech doesn't mean you can ruin people's lives through lies, just because you're richer than they are.
The only thing that defeats lies is the truth.
You can only have truth when you can provide evidence.
If we live in the U.S., we should be worried, our freedom of speech is at risk. REMEMBER just because there are no laws against something, doesn't mean doing that something is the right thing to do. Most of us know if it is right or wrong at the moment we chose to do whatever. If we are on one side or the other, then most likely we over looked what that case is. Not the details of it, but the very most basics. That case has two of the things that "we just don't do". #1 **** A person being punished for words.**** In case we forgot it's free to fully speak our minds WITHOUT FEAR of any kind "before speaking, during speaking, after speaking". Now because of this case & those that get offended "cancel culture" some of us will have some fear of fully speaking freely. #2 ****Using ones full free speech to limit the free speech of others.**** All it takes is one official document, limiting free speech "even just one persons". It's a base to build on for those with the goal of corruption. All of the above is of facts just like the fact "water is wet", true in all our lives the same. Not from my opinions, not my ideas, not what i think, & no not from my religious beliefs. If we live in the U.S. every word applies to our life
On CZcams, I am often shown ads that use the Sandy Hook shooting as a justification for more gun control. So, without following closely, I've imagined that the Alex Jones defamation trial has been motivated by larger questions of how much weight to put on the problem of gun violence, generally, and whether gun control is the optimal solution to gun violence. If Alex Jones had knowingly lied to the police that everything was fine as the shooting was actively happening, or if denial of the reality of the Sandy Hook shooting was a mainstream opinion then that would be a serious problem. But, as it is, in this case, I wonder if Alex Jones is mostly a distraction.
Of course, there have been other events, such as genocides or other severe racial or ethnic persecution, were there were active efforts to deny and cover up as the event was ongoing, in order to prevent intervention. And then, in some cases, there has also been mainstream denial after the event was over. But, even when a genocide is acknowledged, what should the conclusion be - for example, never again for the victim group(s), or never again for anyone?
Some US judges may not be anywhere near as apolitical and ethical as you may imagine. Likewise media.
Before opining on Alex's failure to mount a defense, one should confirm that his judge did not in fact disallow his most critical evidence.
That's not what happened. Jones simply stonewalled and then just didn't comply with discovery.
I'm confident that you, and the usually excellent hosts, haven't read the court filings and transcripts, and instead deferred to media. Summary judgments and disallowance of key evidence seem to have become tools to achieve desired results without evidentiary trial in certain jurisdictions.
@@jamesschouw5700 Or...you don't know what you're talking about, and are listening to the Alex Jones fans as to what happened. Jones refused to provide discovery...and eventually the court got sick of it and ruled against him. The rules apply to him just like everyone else...and you can't ignore court orders indefinitely.
As far as I can tell on day one of the defamation trial (not the awards trial) Jones was ordered to pay the plaintiffs legal fees of $122k and the disclosure sought was financial data and Google analytics.
What has that got to do with defamation? You do that financial and breadth of distribution stuff when you've determined guilt. Also the legal fees award.
Looks like day one Jones was assumed guilty and not allowed to present any other case.
Jones said the data didn't exist. Plaintiffs showed emails from low level employees referring to Google analytics. Judge took this as proof that Jones was lying. But I think Jones would find Google analytics to be useless since he was deranked. I think he probably did not use Google analytics. Regardless of alleged emails by alleged employees.
As to how the plaintiffs got the emails... And all those text messages... Obviously people inside are just "accidentally" sending this stuff to the plaintiffs all the time. Yeah, I read about vault 7. And I'm sure 98 pound basement game chair potatoes lift 100 lbs of gear and run commando style all the time. Radioactive spiders are real.
Your understanding of the case aligns with mine. It's evident that the judge imposed requirements upon Alex that were impossible to satisfy - I suspect deliberately - and denied him certain fundamental defenses.
Btw, I'm not among Alex's audience; my perspective reflects court docs and perspective of certain (uninvolved) litigators with historical records that have consistently proven accurate.
Don't like Jones, can't bear Jones, but your use of the words 'conspiracy theorist' is straight out of the 'believe everything you are fed and ridicule those who don't' handbook.
You guys really need to read into the summary judgment and why it was levied and why 99% of summary judgements are levied in the US. Again don’t listen to or like the guy.
I agree. One of the things that has become very obvious is that Jones was being used as a test case for how you could censor and take a man off social media. Also, most of that judgment was on a pretext, which I don't think they realize. Judge was a political actor, allowed cameras in the courtroom, and this was basically a stage rehearsal for what they did to Trump in New york. If these guys are okay with that, I think they need to go talk to a good American defense lawyer and get a clue about American law.
Frog legs taste delicious, but not when they are gay. _This_ is the problem.