2x BRADLEY vs T-90M - Battle Simulation Based on Actual Event - WAR THUNDER
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Today we put two M3 Bradley to the test to see how well they can do against a T-90M in War Thunder. This is based on an actual battle. What will happen? You might be surprised but let’s find out.
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The fact that one of the guys who damaged the t90,learned the tank's weak spots from war thunder,really makes me think about the game's accuracy.
You fr?
@@jeanclaudesamaniego2305yea
@@jeanclaudesamaniego2305yes
He doesnt specify which game but WAR THUNDER seems most reasonable.
He did nothing to the T-90 other than destroy her optics.
The T-90 crew survived.
1. in real life, if the optics are broken, they should’ve be not able to aim at all.
2. you can’t estimate the location of enemy in the smoke by shooting your machine gun and seeing hit mark.
3. the noise of T-90’s engine is much bigger due to higher HP, so it won’t be easy for T-90 to hear Bradley’s engine sound like in WT
4. ERAs attached on T-90 should’ve explode right away after the impact of first 25mm chaingun round.
5. T-90’s main gun is much longer than Bradley’s one, and it would’ve give very big disadvantage for T-90 in real life when they’re fighting in those small village.
6. Russian thermal sight quality isn’t that good as their paper spec, But everyone knows that US has one of the best thermal sight technologies.
6. Before 2022 sanctions russia had french thermal vision for tanks. Now they're out of it and using russian optic system that is way worse, as you said.
@@user-qi2gq6ef3w Even if that was true, which you have no way of knowing. That only matters in long distances not within 100m which the engagement took place. So try harder
warthunder is secretly teaching normal people how to knock out tanks and their weak spots just to be recruited later on irl
I gurantee if WW3 Ever begins and we dont start instantly off with Nukes, There will be a ton of stories of War Thunder Players knocking out tanks with War Thunder Knowledge
hey you might be on to something!
Да но в игре правда а в реальности это разрушитель абрамсов
@@Finngolian War thunder ...This is not a game with real characteristics of tanks and military equipment, such stories will be a maximum of randomness. But i realy like that game
2:35 Dont forget MBTs use electronics to drive the turret drive
repeated impact can destroy or cause a glitch in the system resulting in unwanted inputs
later the turret even stoped spinning after hitting the tree and after that the turret was even turned into the EVAC(Evacuation) position to allow the driver easy exit can be seen on photos after the FPV drone hit the T-90M
my guess is electronic got a glitch due to repated impacts and after the turret got forcefully stoped by the tree Il guess the electronics snaped back or maybe the gunner changed to emergency mode(assuming the have it) or manual mode turret controlls
it was either gunner pannicking or fire control system trying to match the gun with sight (which was destroyed) and resulting into continious spin. after tree hit gunner probably turned off the FCS and ratained control of the turret. electronic systems on tanks are not easily taken out because they are made to sustain rough sitouations, it was most likely glitch due to sight destruction and not the hits themselves
And the Ukrainians cope so hard, you don’t even have to look particularly hard to come across them. The tank was initially in a strategically bad place, the tank was rendered harmless by damaging the electronics, optics, the smoke grenade emission systems were damaged, the "Volnorez" electronic warfare station was damaged, and before that the drones did not reach no way. At the same time, both side crews were at a decent level; not everyone could have thought of stopping the rotation of the turret after hitting the tree. The main thing is that the crew survived, then the tank was finally destroyed by drones
idk what cope you are talking about, brads with no Tows shouldn't be mission killing t90m. so it is pretty funny to see it @@patrik259
@@patrik259How is this cope?
😊
Ты абсолютно прав. У него перегорел один из резисторов или что-то того.
Наводчик мог просто выключить и включить тумблеры и башня работала нормально, но экипаж был не обучен и не знал даже привычных вещей.
Я служил на Т-72Б3М.
That t90m player has a massive skillissue
like fr that's how the Russians are losing many tanks
Nope! They are trying to destroy the T-90M by disabling the player to use certain options or obligating him to use driver and commander view only while they a re not doing the same!
@@LiamWilsonOfficials I pity you if you think that's really the case
@@LiamWilsonOfficials
They just bought them premiums on level 1
And he is using HEAT insted of apfsds💀
I like the fact that dead Bradley's can still give advices about position and other things about the enimy
that was a simulated Ukrainian drone 💀
that guy was the drone operator just like in the real battle, and cry about it
This is why i wish destroying optics in war thunder did something. Maybe covering your screen in cracks and broken glass or something. Goes to show how well trained the bradley crews are to take out an MBT they couldnt penetrate.
From what I heard, there was an fpv drone that first crashed into the top and exploded
taking out the optics, then the footage starts with bradleys, firing AP at first then HE after the AP emptied out
ERA did start exploding and all, there was a massive explosion (ammo crates probably), then a few more rounds made the turret ring get stuck on rotating, got fixed by crew or something stopped it from rotating, another fpv drone attacks top, all 3 crew abandons tank
from what i know, this was at the frontlines, so maybe the crew returned, and the tank got repaired, or maybe not
we will never know
@@mmneaapro596 seems reasonable
It sounds like you ran into a coping Russian.
TheT-90M was firing at the Bradley's during the entire video, which means they didn't lose their optics beforehand.
The turret rotation was stopped when the driver slammed into a tree and the main gun hit the tree while rotating. That fixed the issue, the crew backed off from the tree and then bailed. Tank was then finished off by a drone.
@@PeterMuskrat6968 as i said, i heard, i don't care about what happened, i hate the 2 nations equally, coping russian, maybe i should call you a nato bot ?
it did. but (not sure) i heard there also was an ATGM but as of right now i havent watched the full video@@mmneaapro596
The T90M was destroyed by a drone , Bradleys damaged it but did not lead to its destruction
the bradleys did make it so it was destroyed,
Destroyin g the turret rotation which made it spin uncontrolable, making it blind, aka destrying optics
the tank never stood a chance with its poor optics. The tank was so heavily damaged that it wasnt gonna be operational in this war, no matter how hard they tried. It was abandoned by the russians and was in this case pretty much destroyed. this shows how war thunder believes in its russian bias.@@Mal101M
@@Lord_of_the_void9 tbf the crew survived the tank,ATGMs,and 25mm Bushmaster....so i think its awesome
it lead AF to t90 destruction
if not bradleys ambush t90 would be fully operative and probably with undamaged drone jammers...
@@Mal101M no it was cooked by a drone
Ok so there are many factors of why the 2 Bradley's won against the T90M since so many of you are bitching about it in the comments. Crew experience and training is a massive one. It doesn't matter how good a tank is for it to fail if you don't have a good crew. The Bradley's did exactly what they were trained to do. Split up and use overwhelming fire to confuse the tank. Make the tank focus on one Bradley while the other tries to flank. Hitting the optics, sensors even the tracks is part of the training. Even the US did these tactics with their Bradley's in the first gulf war. Confusion and panic is what really killed the T90. Imagine if your sitting in a tank and your constantly getting hit and blinded from the enemy, your optics are gone and sensors and now your turret is out of control you would panic too. The T90 probably didn't know how many Bradley's there were and if they had infantry support. For those saying, BuT! ThE! BRadlEys! DiDnt! WIn! tHe! T90! sURvivEd!! iT! wAS! ThE! dRONe! ThAT! TOok! IT! oUt!. That's not the point people were trying to make. Ya the T90 might not blown up and the turret lunched in to space cause of the Bradley's. A disabled thank that tank that 1. is optics and sensors are destroyed and 2. The turrets is disabled so they gun cant be used correctly pretty much makes the tank fucking useless until it can be repaired. It would be the same if it happened to an Abrams or Leopard.
Bradley 1 : T90M 0
Actually Bradley scored another point by taking out tank with TOW
But I don't remember if it was T-80 or T-90
The T-90M was not taken out. They pierced his armor and the explosion seen was from the ERA. The tank was disabled by a drone on cam
Technically it was, it was taken out of combat
Non operational, a kill by definition
It cuold drive away, Destroyed means that the tank can't be repaired
@@battle_tanck why didnt it then? Oh, maybe because the couldnt see out of it? Hard to drive a tank blind eh? With 2 undamaged enemies right there
it was taken out, the tank was not operational as you could see.
So, you may not believe me, but when i was doing some armor analysis after hearing about this even i went to see where on the front there would be a weak spot that could have disabled the T-90M. Well i did end up finding it, It was a turret ring shot, its verry small and hard to hit, but it's a disabling blow that would have taken out the tank. It's on the left side of the barrel just under the breach. it's hard to hit, but it works.
В реальной жизни броня имеет свойчтво становится мягче после нескольких попаданий, а в war thunder даже после 10 выстрелов в одно и тоже место броня будет такой-же твёрдой. Реализм👍
вряд-ли от десятка выстрелов в лоб от бредли Т-90М станет пробиваемым
Great video. Thing is, it's a video game. It can't take into account the 10 million different variables in this situation. A micro crack in the armor. The air temp. The angle of the vehicles at the time of the attack. So many factors to what really happened. Not to mention the game totally favors Eastern European vehicles. Either way...super cool vid.
Very true and glad you liked it
"favors"not exactly but I dont want to argue
@@Never_Lad They are russian devs so there might be a little bias
Are you really arguing about the realism of a computer game? In American computer games like Call of Duty, 1, an American Marine exterminates several hundred Russian soldiers. And yes, based on the quantity and price, there should be 2-3 Russians for 1 Western tank.
For those that were wondering. The Bradley only disable the T90M turret and didn't actually destroy the MTB.
The crew later got out it seem thankfully they got out alive from that last I heard and the MBT was hit with something some time after that attack.
The Crew/Bradley that later talked about it in news report the Commander also made a video later showing the Bradley was taken out.
Either way too much talk about this and not enough reality checks were reported on it and let's be honest mostly rhetoric.
If the the roles were reverse the same effect, beside anything can get taken out in real combat with forces that have the means to fight each other in context to the type of combat they are in respectfully on both side.
the bradleys took him "out of combat"
the drone just finished the job...anyone with eyes can see that
@@juanpablochaconvargas6919 Sadly you be shocked how many people refuse to understand this reality because they are so politically motived to support Ukraine they willfully ignore things that need to be pointed out.
I mean just me pointing this out I'm libel to be smeared by their supporters as x when I'm not and they are literally projecting what they are upon others.
The ERAs on the T-90M looked completely fine after all those shots when they took a picture of it
I really want to ask the t 90 crew what happened
turn your screen black and white multiple times
If you can speak russian you could ask if you know who they are. But they probably also only guess why the turret was spinning
@@lugerun I know Russian, but I don't know who they are
Use night vision in broad daylight
@@OldinaryChimera lol
Bradley with TOW missiles is no joke
Which is the tandem one? or upper attack
@@mich421 the tandem one I think
In that fight Bradley doesn't have any of these ATGM
I bet 9М117М1 outperform this outdated wire-guided missile. It can be launched on the run, it have also tandem, and its laser guided. Plus overall distance is 5.5 km.
@@benitocarbone2123 the tow missile is the older wire flown one from pre 2000s yes, kinda outdated but could work as it doesn't have laser guidence, not alerting a tank of lasers pointing at it
The thing is, in the video the Bradleys first engaged the t90 with darts which is evedent by the sparks, obviously they carry a certain amount and when they were out they changed to the other amo, is possible either that or one of the 2 fpv drones damaged the turret ring or traverse mechanism as well as optics, when the tank was abandoned the 3 crew seemed relatively unharmed which means there was probably no penetration or if any very little damage done, the crew probably shit themselves big time
The crew abandoned the vehicle, the video starts with the T90 already damaged and it is apparent this damage was not called by the bradley's 25mmauto cannon. There is also no proof the T90 was destroyed and that the Bradley's auto cannon penetrated it.
This was cool as hell
I love that the media blows the event up and give the kill to the 2 bradleys, instead of one drone who hit turret rear after the T90M hit a tree to stop the turret spinning.
I think most people forget the actual context for this encounter and only see 2 IFVs and 1 MBT, whereas it was more complicated
The bradleys didnt destroy it. FPV drone strikes and artillery were the main reasons.
It counts as a mission kill for the Bradley's since they damaged it to the point it became combat ineffective, The drones just put the nail in the coffin
@@alex-fy8sy actually the tank ain't even destroyed its just disabled
That final round, Bradley's do carry more than two tows which are loaded by the people in the back if they are carrying troops
from what i know. it damaged the sight and turret but didnt destroy the vehicle. when the turret got damage enough it started turning around in circles causing the T90 to crash into tree then the crew bailed out and ran
This could be a cool gamemode in war thunder.
like 1v1, 2v2, 3v3 or 4v4 or a squad with mutiple round.
In the event Bradley was using HE ammo because APFSDS feed of the bushmaster jammed. T-90M lost control because of the sensor issues. Turret drive is controlled by the gunner sight so when gunner sight got damaged for some reason it kept the turret spinning. Of course stuff like this is not reflected in war thunder.
I would love to see more content like this, and that world war two series, recreating real life events.
Omar Bradley watching his namesake absolutely trolled the T-90
in real life destroying optics will be detrimental to a tank
and the turret was out of control for some weird reason, but it was not destroyed
they were likely just got confused by the auto cannon fire and rotated the turret too much
Bro imagine all the crew inside all def because of the Bradley shooting at it which is an advantage because the will got piss because of the sound and it will probably hurt their ears
as far as i understand the real scenario - T90m was first hit by artillery (or maybe drone) blinding it, then bradleys kinda distracted it, made it panic (it still fired at them but missed) & and possibly turret rotation until a drone finished it off.
So it was a joint effort from a large amount of forces to disable a t90m.
a great vide on the subject is here imo
czcams.com/video/CKvmpcLbZFA/video.html&t
T 90 s are a beast of a tank and Ukrainians bs ing abt how they took it out using bradley of all tanks
T-90M in real battle did not loose control, after loosing all periscopes and sights it might have tricked the fire-control system which in turn started rotating the turret, after which gunner simply turned it off. the driver was still able to drive the tank but obvously couldnt see where he was driving. Even ERA in real combat was not taken out. Only FPV Drone hit damaged tank enough that it lost engine and crew had to abandon it. So yea, war thunder is pretty realistic about that
The simulator game mode making The experience more harder but the Adrenalin to destroy with less help communicating with the team in battle would make it ideal for combat sim in real purposes
Cool vid. But i think turning off HUD would be great and also having a heli(mb thermal) operator veiw could look very beautiful here.
If I remember, the person who piloted the Bradley mentioned he played war thunder, and understood where the weak spots were
u can also try on some killer drone in some if they exist and t90 driving and then u hit him with it so its maybe be posible to lose control because drive mode when u drive its be hard to hit
im almost certain that i saw a the extended video of this an it shows the crew getting out and then the tank getting taken out via fpv drone. but still it counts as a mobility kill for the bradley
Nice cinematic intro
Your channel is EXTREMLY underrated
USE the GRID when describing enemy movement......'He's upper right at E 3 heading East'.
Omg. I left this game long time ago. It's amazing how it became.
The T90 was hit by something in the beginning of the video , maybe a drone who knows . And this already disabled the turret , optics or whatever , the t90 took a few shots but all went into the ground . Without that the Bradley would be toast , as he crossed the street right in front of the T90 . So they propably knew that the tank got hit or they have huge balls of steel . 😅
cool, now do one where the T90M player is role playing as a tired, terrified russian drafty who has no clue what he might encounter and is expecting to get a drone or a javelin at any moment then shits his pants when something hits the tank
Note: The same T-90M crew came back and actually took out the other bradley
source? bet you dont have a reliable one.
It's terrifying in real life knows that you being shot multiple times when you are driving the tank bro the heat and the panic is real.
The fact is that they damaged the tank, but did not penetrate it. They jammed its turret. Then the video shows that the entire crew gets out and runs away.
17:06 bro went full goat laugh on us
War thunder need to add a thing were if you hit and damage the Gunner sights your turret stops and you cant see through the sniper mode
Awesome video
To those saying it was a drone kill, yes kinda although at that point it was no longer crewed, it was a mobility kill by the bradleys
It got disabled by drones then ganged up by Bradley's , even like leopards most of em were disabled not completely destroyed
@@Giganibba511 im pretty sure the bradley disabled it after which point the crew bailed and then it was later struck by a Kamikaze drone, also hence why i said mobility kill, it refers to the fact that the vehicle is no longer combat operational due to the fact that the optical sensors/view ports and or engine/tracks have been damaged or destroyed
@@ThatGuy-cl8gc I think the correct term is "mission kill"
@@ThatGuy-cl8gc i didn't say that Bradley's didnt do anything but the most part done by the 4 drones who hit it , i saw that video completely it first got hit by 4 drones then the Bradley's engaged and who sends tank first then drones?
Was i the only one who noticed that T-90M was using HEATFS
Hello why can’t I join the discord anymore I was on the server already but its gone for me
Wow thats hilarious and amazing that he learned from war thunder
It wasn't just the bradleys, the T-90 got wrecked by a combination of artillery, infantry and most importantly drones that were coordinated well. Any tank stuck in that T-90s position would suffer the same fate.
Hey muffin can you make a video of panzer 3s (any type) vs a leopard 2A7?
one thing you got wrong in this b sim , is that the ukrainian gunner said his AP rounds where malfunctioning so he used HE to only take out modules. The T90 did not have any member killed by the bradleys. It was just disabled and abandoned, then a drone actually came in and destroyed it while it was abandoned.
the bradley gunner said that his reloading jammed so he was using HE rounds
drones came after, bradly shot at the turretring and after some shooting turret ring buged and startet spinning, later drones came and hit it
War Thunder sim mode is so fun, I wish we had ground sim EC.
The gunner went for the aiming modules so they couldn't aim and they ended up having to abandon the tank
Do a battle with driver or cockpit view only
The game he played was probably steel beast
They did not "take out the tank". Crew of the T-90 survived with minimal damage to the armor, but the Bradley's took out the "vision" of T-90, thus T-90 had to retreat.
T90 was rush to battle without being tested so it must have been some defect armor some where
still, a mistake.
Have you tried gunner heat PC with your shenanigans?
the crew in the video was in a difficult position, especially since the video showed that the tankers in the t90m were not professionals
Don’t forget to add 2 FPV drones (with a chemical and cumulative projectile), which was used to attack the T-90 before the battle with 2x Bradleys, where the T-90 received heavy damage to its armor and systems. And he was already almost helpless. BUT NO WAIT WE NEED TO SUCK THIS TOPIC AS WELL AS A VICTORY TOPIC
Where is the APFSDS round ?
I wish u could make more videos like this, about war conflict between these countries))
nice video but why is the t90 using only the HEAT-FS rounds??
It would be more realistic if you guys had someone in a drone looking at him because the ones in real life have that to
You guys are way more skilled than me
You would thesably have to do the same simulation multiple times to get the best results
Next time you guys should do gunner, commander and driver view only, with no UI elements and no third person!
Its just about the crew and war thunder to beat either of these.
By the way they didnt take the t90 out, the video was ended but the full video shows the t90 driving away
pretty sure the bradleys irl were using he belts too
War Thunder of course always assumes that Tanks are fully equipped with all bells and whistles. It has been an Occurrence with the Russian Army that the Outside ERA on their tanks some times was just fake, filled with Cardboard or something else, thus defeating the point of the ERA. We don't know what the Equipment status on the T-90 was when it faced the Bradleys.
Warthunder really seems cooler with only from crew POWs
15:30 IRL that T-90 is fucked right there and then. No one is going to keep themselves buttoned inside the coffin after losing their mobility.
Bro Forgot the fpv drone that finished the tank
U gotta remember with all that fire those gunners looking through a small hole can't actually see anything sp they had no idea where to shoot
C'è da considerare che il T-90m aveva esaurito le munizioni quando i 2 Bradley hanno iniziato ad attaccare
The Bradleys more or less caught the T-90 by surprise. But if the T-90 was aware of them and fought back, the first attempt would have been pretty accurate if the T-90 caught the Bradleys. The second attempt would was close to the real encounter, except the T-90 was face-on, rather than facing the other way.
Drone is still unconfirmed
Drone is confirmed they literally used it to destroy the t-90
Leo's only job is to pull the T90M corpse, LOL. 6:40
This comment was created only because of the moment in 2:37. I really enjoyed the video.
Well in real-life loosing optics and taking out track gives very big advantage
and turret control was lost because somehow pierced ring and it jammed the mechanism. Probobly because irl if you hit something multiaple times it gets more damaged with every other hit.
Like I'll try to explain about how huge of advantage is tracking enemies irl is :
only 11 leopards 2 got destroyed (from ~130) and all of them got destroyed because they had to leave it after getting tracked and getting pushed by pidorasi
but this woks both sides, there is insane amount of tanks that Ukrainians destroyed because it got tracked(I didin't found how many, but there is insane amount of videos in CZcams/Telegram). And after just burning it down by nading engine or exploding ammo from behind (there is a weak spot on its back)
the US army should upgrade war thunder(for themselves with their non-public document) for a training simulator
During COVID a bunch of tankers actually played WT
Nah they should just use steel beast pro or something
@@THEDANG3RZONE something tells me they had a blast playing Warthunder.
Вы ваще знаете что это русская игра?
The T-90M was NOT destroyed. The crew all got out of the tank all safe. The optic to commanders sight was damaged and there’s a warning when something is aiming at it and the turret would turn to the target and what’s what the Bradley hit and fucked up the T-90 from.
The turret of the T-90M was disabled and forced spinning in the real engagement and an Army member mentioned that the rounds being used by at least one of the bradley's was AP ammo with incendiary and that's why there was so much sparking from some shots. Also, it was mentioned that most of the bradley's in Ukraine are using either APDS or M919 ammo since that's what they were allegedly shipped with.
That's just the info i've come across in my looking into the engagment and digging for all the info I could about the situation.
p.s. --Allegedly one of the men who was involved in the fight also stated he remembered 'playing video games, and where to shoot' so there's a case of evidence that WT or another game involving vehicular combat of military vehicles was where he learned weakspots of the T-90, or just in general of most Soviet/Russian vehicles.
Another problem is you need to not do this like you're playing WT [whoever was in the T-90M]. The T-90M was injured already remember having a dead turret stuck spinning in circles and never fired a round at that bradley's implying it's FCS was damaged as well. The T-90M wouldn't have pushed senselessly like the driver of the T-90M did in the video here, he might've moved to continue sightlines, but I highly HIGHLY doubt he'd be raging right in popping the bradley's right away, as well as again, he couldn't use the main gun so that wasn't represented either.
high chance is that the videogame he's refering to is just an in house training game from NATO, since they were just using the NATO tactic called "buttoning"
I’d also like to note that the Bradleys supplied to Ukraine have only been given HE. No APFSDS has been given to Ukraine for the 25mm.
You should have also used the drone aswell like in real life
last time i checked there wasnt a helicopter constantly giving information to the bradleys
There were actually several drones. An FPV drone was the first attack on the T-90 but it failed to deal any meaningful damage, there was the camera UAV the whole time, and after the Bradlies engagement another FPV drone struck the tank.
@@jonathonspears7736 i said HELICOPTER not DRONE read the MESSAGE
@@Enteropy23
What you said and what you meant are not mutually exclusive in this case. Observation was present which was the point of your comment.
The real t90m was only damaged and bit later abandoned , the Bradley’s didn’t destroy it.
Actually, the gunner of the Bradely took the T-90's sights and the horizontal drive out when T-90 exposed their sides and the crew have to bail out from the vehicle and then the suicide drone came in and done critical damage to the T-90.
The Bradley crew got hit a week later and it got destroyed anyways the rotation system got damaged when they hit the 90's crew drove to a tree stopped the turret from rotating and the crew survived and abandoned ship i'd don't say shi* when you don't know what happened but you were partially right
@@femboyshitposter676Bradley crew is fine lmao
Still got hit.@@HDREal
@@femboyshitposter676 hit with minimal damage, unlike the abandoned t90 tank 💀
no it got hit and the crew had to abandon it just like the 90 except the 90 got turret damage from the 25 mm or well turret traverse system damage and a malfcuntion and now you're coping ofc cause you're a nato bot.@@HDREal
I don't really get the suprise over this in the media? Bradley was designed so it could have some answer to enemy armour and if some 50cal machine guns have got mobility kills on tanks then a 25mm autocannon will have no problems
What happened to you’re WW2 event?
The Bradley’s aren’t using APFSDS or am I just in that one part of the video
Russian MoD taking notes be like:
“Shet… ve fuked up Boris”
So one tank disabled = the battle lost? , even after the t-90m "disabled" they actually captured that village after 2 days because the back-up , but the t-90m didn't retreat when they got attacked .