What Is The Best Hand Cannon After Rangefinder Nerf?
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- What Is The Best Hand Cannon After Rangefinder Nerf?
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Let's be real here, palindrome coming back next season with new perks. Keep away and sideshot on left with explosive payload and and OS or EOS on right :P
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@@sQuaTsiFieDmight I ask, what brand of copium are you smoking???
Keep in mind, that it is very likely for palindrome to be back in rotation next season and if not next season, it will be available again in the last season of the expansion guaranteed (with a refreshed perk pool ofc)
I can’t wait for palindrome to be back
Bet they give it keep away
@@THETROUBLEMAKINGCREW would love to see that perk on the gun! that would mean it could hit 100 range if u have the perk up.
@@Ysl489 would love for it too especially since RF nerf
Wait wym guaranteed?
Just wanted to throw my hat in the ring with my own take:
Don't delete your RF rolls. Rangefinder is no longer an OP perk, yes, but it's still an amazing perk to use for enhancing the "feel" of the gun. Especially on a hand cannon. Remember that range bands are being tweaked and most range floors are being raised to what Rangefinder currently gives you. Range ceilings are being brought down. This means most likely, your rangefinder hand cannon will feel BETTER after the changes if you don't have that good of a range stat on your gun. If you find yourself (much like me) using rangefinder as a crutch to help you land shots, or just can't use a normal 14 zoom hand cannon for whatever reason, Rangefinder is still going to be top tier.
Now for those of you who can manage well enough without it, then yeah. You're definitely going to want to find another perk. For example, Zen Moment instead of Rangefinder on Austringer.
Yup. Rangefinder will still positively affect aim assist drop off, accuracy cone size and recoil.
@@seb5542right. People are yonna ride off rangefinder
I wholeheartedly agree. Everyone is making vids for the "post RF world" when I still think RF is going to be S tier next balance adjustment.
Good thing I kept my multiple rolls of HCs without Rangefinder, having not gotten quite a few 5/5s. DFA, Perpetual Opening Shot feels pretty damn nice and I go for Explosive EotS on Fatebringer
yup. for the past month i've only considered handcannons that were good without rangefinder, as godrolls. It also helps that i actually hate rangefinder and what it does with the zoom. I'm already at 95 FOV, I do not need my gun to tunnel vision me even more. That's way more of a detriment to my shooting than lacking some range.
Absolutely right on the fate bringer. Explosive eots feels damn nice on controller, and the added flinch plus guarenteed dmg from explosive payload is a nice bonus too.
RF will still be better than OS.
Guys, if you want range, use a sniper. If you want range with a primary use a pulse or a 120 handcannon. 140s are primarily dueling guns and trying to make them very rangey usually cuts back on stability which hurts it in duels, so stop trying make them something there not. Im not saying dont value range at all but im saying 65-70 range is really all you need if your using 140s they way there meant to be used.
I'm wondering how the Bottom Dollar will fair next season, it already has great stats when you have slide shot and opening shot active.
These are my favorite kind of vids from you wallah. Lots of top players post gameplay, but I really enjoy just hearing your thoughts about meta, what to use, best in class, etc. Getting your thoughts and just talking about the game is awesome
I'm so ready for rangefinder to not be meta on literally every gun ever.
Now just accurize rounds
I think you’ve completely factored out two things: Eye of the Storm and controller players. Stability’s important on controller, so Eyasluna is REALLY good there. And a lot of these can have Eye of the Storm, which is always going to help your duels if your enemies are even somewhat accurate.
Yeah. Wallah is a full MnK "stability doesn't matter" player. If you're on controller look for different stats.
Cantata and Austringer can roll eos and os. I feel like the cantata will be a sleeper pick if you can get a good roll. The range is comparable to the pali
Ok cool and all I play controller and nothing he said is wrong
This is about rangefinder which effects range
So ofc he’s going to talk about max range rolls also hcs aren’t even hard to control
@teknyon true stability never affects the guns that just feel weird on controller. Like to me crisis feels weird and its bounce just feels weird to me and its the same with nation. But i very much love my bottom dollar and my service revo
@@kamarwashingtonI kept a smallbore/Accurized/EOTS/moving target/range MW roll 👀
No way you did my boy Austringer like that 😭 (Eye of the storm + Opening shot is soooooo good)
You kinda forgot cantata which has the second highest range for a 140 in the energy slot with no perk active.
And free stability after reloads
What’s the god roll for cantata so I can keep an eye out please? I have a godroll but it’s got rangefinder so I’d like a new one
@@4am446 as much range as possible then eye of the storm and either opening shot or timed payload
Edit: rangefinder might still specifically be good on this HC for the simply fact that it has already really good base range and because of suros synergy you can take on further duals without as much flinch issues
If we’re mentioning spare, let’s also shout out waking vigil. Rolls sights instead of barrels and can get slideshot/opening. Not too bad to farm and it feels incredibly snappy. Not the most range but slideshot/opening get it to 100 for the first shot at least
High Impact Reserves is such an underrated perk on Pali, I have a god roll Pali with it and its my favorite handcannon ever.. the damage buff isn’t crazy but its an easy way to get free extra range just by shooting the gun.. my roll has 33m base range and from 7 bullets in the mag I can 3 tap at 34m, and in the last 4 bullets I can 3 tap at 35m and I can miss a shot.. for someone like me that always hated rangefinder, this perk is amazing. And Pali feels so good to use i’ll never put it down ^^
Here's the thing rangefinder/zoom will still affect recoil, stability and aim assist drop off. It will still be a good perk.
Edit: should try eye of the storm/zen moment austringer. Really should look at other options.
Yea that’s gonna be my austringer perk line up next season.
Yup. I have one crafted with zen and eye of the storm, that thing gets me more kills than it should.
That's what I'm going for actually lol I'm sitting at 99 stability right now with enhanced Snapshot and Zen moment lol
@@justicekreider2978 with 99 stability, zen moment might not do anything
@@tylerherdman1755, zen moment is a % buff
Keep in mind damage perks help extend your range on weapons. Even though rampage x1 doesn’t change ttk, that extra damage can push your range out a little
This is technically true but damage perks do not increase aim assist things like range perks do so yes you do the same damage at a further range but hitting a headshot is harder.
I like my Adept DFA with extended Barrel, Accurized, perpetual motion and opening shot. It all comes to what people like and what matches their playstyle too so any of these you recommended will be fine. Thanks for the review.
Remember that cantata that had a max range Roll that one week I wonder how rangefinder Nerf will react with that like it matters how much stability it gives
I was just thinking the same thing. Even with the low stability on that roll it still felt good.
It's crazy how much this rangefinder change is switching up the meta handcannons pali from top to drop and a lot other handcannons as well.
The austringer slander is depressing
Thanks for the great information as always
3:50 a note about exulted; slick draw and over under and are both on the docket to be buffed. Depending on how said buffs play out slickdraw could be the play
Nah handling for decreased accuracy will never be good.
@@simplyfitness892 it doesn’t decrease accuracy just aim assist cone size; it’s not terrible (assuming the buff to the perk makes it useable) you get 100 handling for free while still being able to get out to 33m if you’re max out range (without using a barrel perk that gives negatives elsewhere) with a respectable 68 stability before EotS procs
Also, for 99% of players it doesn't matter, just use what feels good
not sure if it's fixed or not but perfect float and frenzy have that strange interaction where if you proc PF it procs frenzy at the same time so there could be a play to be made so Exalted Truth can have a 2H 1B consistent shots to kill at any resil and considering PF has flinch resist you could stack that on top of it's Suros origin trait for some really strong anti flinch
High-impact is actually pretty good on pali because once you shoot 3? shots, you can 2h1b, where as rampage is typically 3 shots too and is also 2h1b
A bit late but I think the exalted truth with frenzy and perfect float to be the best hc right now, since you passively proc a bunch of stats without having to get a kill, and you can get the gun to 90-95 range
Went flawless with DFA just for fun a few weeks back. It’s competing again RF rolls even before the nerf
D.F.A is gonna go crazy now as well, fragile focus with opening shot or timed payload
Austringer with enchanced zen moment and eye of the storm feels like a magnet to heads.
DFA (adept)is my main hand cannon with fragile and opening shot and in my opinion it the best feeling hand cannon I’ve used. Also it maps like crazy
I have extended accurized slide explosive range mw Rose and its incredible.
I personally think people should keep in mind that people like Wallah don't seem to use eye of the storm as much.
With that being said, **Austringer wouldn't necessarily fall off as hard as Wallah claims**. This is because Eye of the storm + opening shot will remain an ungodly perk combination for dueling. Opening helping with the 1st shot and eye of the storm assisting heavily with the 3rd and final crit needed for the optimal ttk. It even combats flinch when dueling a timed payload weapon (especially thanks to it's high stability stat).
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It is actually even better than you described it helps after you 156 HP so 2 out of 3 shots are getting boosts from EOS and the first as you said is OS assisted. If you can help the handling it is of the best dueling HC in the game
The perfect float/ frenzy combo on exaulted truth is crazy don’t sleep on it
My top 2 current 120 hc still able to currently grind for= true prophesy w/ explosive opening from dares of eternity on some weeks and bottom dollar w/ rangefinder/slideshot explosive from gambit
Austringer is a beast with eye of the storm and Opening shot ricocet round and hammer forged with range masterwork
On controller the austringer with high stability feels really good you can get away with dropping range finder on it.
but Wallah zouli's has eye of the strom and explosive payload and you can get adept mods on it.
i looked at the comparisons between it and rose and it stacks up quite nicely. the Rose does beat it out, with explosive and if you have slide shot active but that clearly requires a god roll. you should check it out. im really looking forward to see your insight on it
I finally started doing good with my pretty good roll rose and I’m practicing with a sniper and I’ve already got some crispy snipes.
Conditional F being my fav exotic ever ima just have to pair it with my slideshot explosive bottom dollar.. been grinding engrams all week
Me personally I have actually been really enjoying the pure poetry lately. It has some fantastic perks and frankly, it being one of the very few Han cannons that can roll fragile focus makes it incredible with the how strong 120 hcs have been lately
How much does it hit for with FF?
@@ClideGeardenaweseomeness it doesn't increase the damage, but with hammerforged, ricotchet rounds,and range mw, you hit 78 range. When you factor in the +20 range from fragile focus you get to pretty much max range. When typically you can get two shots off before your shield gets cracked so by the time you lose ff, you have the enemy low enough to not need that extra range to finish the kill.
@@thelastking3626pure poetry is currently my favourite hand cannon alongside with spare rations. It feels so crispy and the perk pool is amazing for each class
people are forgetting the fact that range finder will still push out the AA cone, it is just losing the extra damage falloff, so it's still going to be a really good consistency perk.
Yup. And it'll still shrink the accuracy cone making it more accurate and it'll still affect recoil.
I got a moving target and opening shot max-range crisis inverted. I prefer using that over my god roll rose and god roll adept exalted truth.
In my opinion Fatebringer i, because Explosive Payload and Kill Clip pair well or Explosive or EoS for dueling.
what do you thing of perfect float? the 30ae it gives over time helps with winning gunfights for me
Appreciate your thoughts, wallah!
honestly, i think eyasluna is great. instead of steady hand sight, i have a sure shot with that identical roll giving me 76 range. with perpetual motion i also have 84 stability and 59 handling. snapshot helps clean up the low handling, just not a great swap-to primary
Moving Target and Perpetual Motion is a nasty combo. I thought it was always better than one with Rangefinder already.
I understand why so many like the Rose, but I feel like it's overrated by a lot of people. Yes it has the lightweight bonus, something no other handcannon has, and that alone makes a compelling argument for why it should be among the top tiers. But if you were just looking for a handcannon that has the best dueling capabilities or whatever, Rose's stats are holding it back hard compared to options like the Palindrome, the Exalted Truth, the Fatebringer and the Eyasluna.
Preemptive TLDR, Wallah's 2 cents are heavily warped by the fact that he is freaking Wallah and just Destiny-s better than all us common Jims. His recommendations are centered around a very fast playstyle that most people cannot hope to replicate effectively.
My preferences and opinions when it comes to handcannons are so different it's kind of comical. Personally, I think Wallah overvalues the handling stat when handling can be gained through so many alternative ways (dex mods, targeting mods, 3rd and 4th column trait perks, quick access sling, several exotics, and some fragments). The two most important stats on any hc, to me, are range and stability. Mnk players (I'm one btw) seem to still undervalue the stability stat a great deal, even though it is directly linked to the overall consistency of your gun in literally every gunfight. Granted, I main a sniper rifle so handling is a little bit less important to me since I have more space to work with generally, but I still invest in quickdraw + snapshot on my Beloved with dex and targeting mods for both my weapons because blinting is super important, and I don't ever feel like I am severely lacking handling because I stack so many animation scalers. And that's with extended barrel on my Austringer for the recoil direction. 99% of players don't play at the speed Wallah plays at, so while investing a crap ton in handling may make sense for him, you probably are better off taking my approach of investing in overall weapon consistency.
Also, slideshot is a good perk but, again, I'm going to say it's overvalued here. For somebody like Wallah it arguably could be the best perk for them, but if you have good base stability and range you can just as easily use that slot for something like quickdraw or snapshot to make up some handling, or go for another consistency perk like explosive payload, opening shot, eye of the storm, perpetual motion, etc. Slideshot alone, in my opinion, cannot fully counteract poor base stats as it does not have 100% uptime, so I would steer clear of Spare Rations in trials and comp. I know this is a controversial opinion, but I honestly think Rose is really overrated because it has trash base stability when compared to other top-shelf 140s in the kinetic slot. Things like Austringer, Fatebringer, and Eyasluna get better stats and just as good trait perks, so if you are on warlock or titan where you don't need the 20 mobility I honestly don't think Rose is the best choice for you unless you just really vibe with it (which is a completely legitimate reason to use it, but people just tend to gloss over the fact that it's stats are not really all that great, especially since you have to gut the handling with heavy grip to achieve 60+ stability).
Finally, I think telling people to stay away from Austringer and Eyasluna after the rangefinder nerf specifically is just straight up a really stupid thing to say. There is sooo much more to those handcannons than just Rangefinder. My main role on my Austringer since the zen moment buff has been EoTS and zen moment, and it is the most consistent dueling handcannon in the game hands down. No other handcannon can match its ability to fight through flinch and remain shooting true in nearly every gunfight. Even if you don't like zen moment there's still opening shot, which is a great consistency perk too, all but guaranteeing your first shot hits in every gunfight and making blinting super duper consistent. Eyasluna just has absolutely absurd base stats and it can get either rapid hit and perpetual motion in place of rangefinder. Both are great consistency perks that will not fail you. Eyasluna's base range is so freaking high it hits 66 WITHOUT a range increasing sight. It's 51 base range is the highest of any 140 handcannon in the game. Austringer and Eyasluna are actually the handcannons I would most lean TOWARDS after the rangefinder nerf goes through.
Oddly enough i play on contoller and every cannon i have, stability does not seem to win my duels but range for sure does. I got some stacked rose, exalted rolls and use full bore everytime. I am no pro at all and with these long range maps and every teamate hiding in the back might just be why. Actually going to try out some of my max stability rolls again and check this out. Have i just been throwing?!
@@CaptainPaddys Some people do seem to be able to do without stability, but in general I think most people would be better off using a 60+ stability hc. If low stability works for you though no need to change.
I wouldn't ever go MAX stability, but a more balanced approach is good
@@Austere5796i haven't been able to play at all, still wanna try out some stability rolls. At least I'm not throwing then. I do use bottom dollar and true prophecy a bunch so maybe i am just used to low stability.
Been leveling up my Austringer and my main focus is getting Enhanced Zen Moment and Eye of the Storm, i already have 99 stability lol 🤣
I was hoping to find a comment like this. As he was looking at the weapon not recommending it, I was saying zen moment is right there. You know what, the more people that don't know, the better
No doubt it will already be the weapons that hang with RF HCs without using RF those being: fatebringer, rose, nations (btw enhanced keep away actually gives the Hc +15 in each stat)
I wouldn’t worry this is bungie we’re talking about you know next season there will be one or two hc’s with fragile focus opening shot or keep away. They will definitely bring out hc’s to get around the rangefinder nerf and why well to make us grind obviously.
haven't watched the video but bottom dollar with slideshot explosive payload is really nice
D.F.A. (Adept) just went from Zero to Hero, and became one of the best handcannons in the game.
You have Fragile Focus (the NEW Rangefinder, +20 Range) together with Opening Shot, so you have almost constant 100 Range. Or you can do Perpetual Motion + Opening for god tier stats in all categories.
i managed to snag a 4/5 Rose in the last minute, it will be 5/5 after the RF nerf. This will be my 2nd 5/5 Kinetic HC next to Dire Promise.
Dude Austringer is insane with Eye of the Storm and Opening shot.
Mostly for controller users.
I went back to using my adept dfa. It just feels good.
I'm actually wondering how a Eye of the Storm / Zen Moment Austringer would feel.
Personally, I'm not very worried about the range with these guns because I think they're going to really squish that range band down. Like for example, if the difference between 65 range and 100 range is like 2 meters or something then in most cases we're going to be talking about guns that are at least within 20 meters of each other, which would probably be like 1m or less difference.
On top of that since rangefinder increased zoom it essentially acted as a range multiplier, right? So range is even more important now if you're pairing it with a gun with rangefinder, but that would be the case at all post patch.
IMO once you get good at this game the main thing that fucks you up in duels tends to be flinch so causing it with Explosive Payload is always great (Hence Rose being fantastic + it's other base stats/perks/innate perk) but counteracting it could be interesting too and I'd love to see how the increased flinch reduction/stability from Zen Moment pairs with the accuracy cones buffs of Eye of the Storm.
This is my crafted roll. Max stability too no joke. Smallbore, Ricochet Rounds, stability masterwork. At least give it a shot, pun intended. I play on console
Im weird and mine is eos and frenzy. Its pretty nice to use
I would not got for Zen moment over RF after the nerf, because it takes you 2 shots to stack zen moment. Zen moment is a perk for fast firing weapons.
@@jormungandr4690 Well RF is going to be completely useless post nerf so you'd never keep RF.
The thing about Zen Moment is that back in the day on the old Waking Vigil a lot of people actually ran that perk and loved the gun. Now maybe it was just the gun itself, but a lot of people felt like the perk was doing something *back then* and it's even better now. So it's quite possible that even 1x or 2x stacks of Zen Moment is really good.
@@tox_ph0b0s80 What it will still do is OBJECTIVELY stronger than 99% of the perks we have right now.
opening shot & eye of the storm on austringer slaps
Nation with EP and KeepAway feels amazing right now.
I got that exact Exaulted Truth adept roll.
Rose with xp trait might be my new main hc
what is the minimum range 140 HCs need to meet? I have a TL Fate bringer with opening shot and explosive payload accurized rounds and a range masterwork but my barrels are hammer forged and chambered compensator.
Timelost fatebringer with explosive rounds and eye of the storm is definetely a strong contender
i have one with a reload masterwork🤮
@@user-zq1or3ro8u Same too lol. Also my mag options are like flared or appended D:
I prefer opening shot personally.
Hammer forged, accurized, EP and OS. Reload MW, of course ;)
eye of the storm is such a mid perk lmao only good if you are shit at not getting damaged to red bar
@@thenovastargamingchannel not true
hey wallah is exalted truth adept with Killing wind and eye of the storm good?
I still use dire promise, range finder + opening shot
Thoguhts on exotic hand cannons? Do you think thorn or sunshot will be worth using?
Tbh pali with high impact reserves is slept on. You can 2 head 1 body with it but it does depend on the res on the person.
High end pvp is high resil warlocks/titans
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Eyasluna with Moving Target and Perpetual Motion is INSANE. It’s the most consistent Handcannon I’ve ever used.
Thanks for mentioning MT. My original roll is a MT+ unrelent and I was wondering why i like it better than all the other rolls i kept
Hear me out. Exalted truth with rangefinder and the buffed gutshot. 2 crit 1 body 7 resil and below and it might feel good. I’ll be trying it out.
the problem with this change is what do they do with rangefinder now since they've already removed its stickiness at longer ranges and now the zoom bonus won't do anything. I think they should probably rework the perk or exchange it for keep away of fragile focus on guns like they did with quickdraw on agg frame shotguns
It grants intrinsic stability, handling, and I think even a little range. Still overall a solid choice, but won’t be nearly as good as it used to be.
Honestly i feel like they made Keep Away as the new Rangefinder, I'd happily see that replace Rangefinder on 90% of my weapons when the zoom nerf comes.
In firing range podcast, Merc a weapons dev said that zoom will affect stability, recoil and AA drop off. And rangefinder will still provide those benefits. It will still be a good perk
@@Sunfirea not only does zoom affect stability, but they are replacing rangefinders extra range with extra stability instead, so you will essentially get two bumps to stability
"they've already removed its stickiness at longer ranges".
Rangefinder used to increase your aa drop off distance by 30%, but they nerfed it down to 10% (to match the damage drop off increase). Rangefinder still gives "stickiness at longer ranges".
Glad I kept my adept Pali with QD and rampage. Maybe it'll finally feel decent
clearly this gonna be a Vulpecula meta ong
Elemental capacitor, explosive payload rose for me personally
Max range addpt exalted truth with encore is amazing imo
It sucks that Judgement isn’t great because to me it sounds phenomenal
Probably fatebringer or Austringer w os instead would be my guess
Rose with EP and Slideshot will always be my baby
good list sir but you’re sleeping on eye of the storm zen moment on austringer
Can you do one of these for smgs? I never got the god roll immortal but I have things like keep away killing wind and I’m wondering what would help best with consistency in a duel. Kill perks are fun but I prefer consistency + range
me who accidentally deleted my slideshot opening shot rose just now. -_- going to cry myself to sleep now.
So, more or less explosive payload replaces rangefinder as the "must have" perk on hand cannons (it will fill the 2metre gap with ARs and Pulses). Another W for Bungie.
Also, we do not know HOW they will change rangefinder, maybe they give it some flat +10 range or smth, it would be wierd to be called RANGEfinder without giving any range. Also we do not know if they change any existing perks to buff range, or even add new ones. There is a lot more to find out for s22.
slide shot and opening shot only works for the 1st shot or burst
TBH I have guns with those "pvp rolls" and I dont feel GOOD using it I rather just keep using my perpetual motion explo payload rose since it feels the best
Got a dfa with OS and Fragile focus
Replacing some HC’s with Keep away would be slightly better.
Keep away is gonna effectively replace rangefinder
I have a few palindromes I ran for a bit and while it def does not feel like my rose, it’s still fun to run especially if I want a kinetic special. Honestly, high impact on it isn’t that bad since it makes the gun a little more forgiving towards the end of the mag. Saved me many times in trials where I fight one or two people and I’m able to clean up the next because HIR allowed me to two head one body
killing wind eots roll on exhausted is really good
damn I just realsied I have your exact fatebringer godroll
my eyasluna has moving target and purpetual with 90 AA and 76 range, im perfectly fine with no range finder
Need me that igneous hammer back on the loot pool
I really cant get behind opening shot on a primary
I think exalted truth will still be top tier if you get killing wind on it after the nerf
My problem is not liking perks that require a kill to proc in 3’s. I’d rather have something that is always working out Ivan proc myself
can the slickdraw buff make it a useable perk?
Gotta be fatebringer
I got your exact god roll for it and it’s nice
I don’t think rangefinder rolls will be useless though. Maybe instead of zoom and better damage fall off it will just give flat range like keep away or fragile focus. Let’s see if the perk rework makes it null
It won't give a flat range bonus. That's Bungie's intention, because the Rangefinder perk is overused.
However, it will still extend aim assist cone distance, tighten the accuracy cone, and reduce muzzle climb, as it already does. It just won't extend damage dropoff start/end distance.
What it will still do is better than 99% of perks anyway.
@@jormungandr4690 True enough.
Perks like Tunnel Vision and Zen Moment have pretty good effects, for example.. but require kills to trigger, or only kick in after a few hits are already scored.
Rangefinder will offer similar benefits, but always be active at peak strength 24/7.
Off topic but ya think the smg wrath from trials will come bck?
Why don't you like Eye of the storm, especially on exalted and fatebringer?
i just finally crafted an austringer....
No 120s? I still love my crafted Round Robin and Igneous still feels incredible
Im so happy with me pve god roll: Arrowhead/hammer forge accurized rounds, rapid hit, explosive payload
Adept igneous is still king of 120s after all this time. Will be even better next season.