Yaesu FT-710 AESS & FTdx10: RX Audio Comparison (video #11 in this series)
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- I’ve had a number of requests to shoot a video series about the Yaesu FT-710 AESS, similar to my FTdx10 series. Ham Radio Outlet loaned me a Yaesu FT-710 AESS for just that purpose.
In this video I compare the receive audio and the DNR (Digital Noise Reduction) of the FT-710 AESS to the receive audio and DNR of the FTdx10.
Corrections: At 6:24 I refer to MHz. It’s kHz. That was a slip of the tongue. Later in the video I refer to turn FT-710 and FTdx5000MP as having the better DNR. I guess I had FT-710 on the brain since this is primarily a FT-710 video. What I meant to say was FTdx10 and FTdx5000MP have the better DNR.
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73, de N4HNH - Věda a technologie
Doug, just received my new Yaesu FTDX-10 a few days ago. Having a lot of fun with this excellent radio working many stations. Thank you for your extensive video series on this model. Helped me a great deal. Subscribed!!! 73, Dave, AC3HT
I’m glad to know that you found the video series helpful, Dave. I hope to hear of your success with that fine transceiver.
73, Doug
i must say that you have swayed me to the FTDX10 from the IC7300; that is a good thing!! I have learned a lot and am very happy to have invested my time in your videos!! I am a couple weeks away from buying my FTDX10. I will later follow on with the SP 30 and an M90D microphone. I am so glad that I stumbled across your videos ... much respect for your expertise and presentation skills!!
The IC-7300 is a good radio. It's a bit long in the tooth now, but still a good transceiver. It is more intuitive than the Yaesu transceivers. I had a viewer tell me that he considers the Yaesu as a "thinking man's radio", compared to his IC-7300. He had switched to the FTdx10. There is a definite learning curve with the FTdx10. It has so many advanced capabilities, but you must harness those capabilities. That's why I have nearly 100 videos in my tutorial series thus far, over at www.patreon.com/N4HNH, for S7 and S9 members. But, if you buy a good starter radio and a year later you have outgrown it, you end up spending money twice. I would rather deal with the learning curve and buy once. As my friend Curt, KB9JQU, says, "buy once cry once!" 73, de N4HNH
Another great video, Doug. My Patreon support still paying dividends. I kind of like the colored LED lights around the main knob on the 710. I can’t tell you how many times a SOTA/POTA station couldn’t hear me because I still was working split after chasing DX!
I too like those lights. They light up white when using memory recall.
73, Doug
Thank You Doug, for this Video, I am swaying towards the Yaesu FTdx10 i am also learning a lot Thanks !!
I would definitely recommend the FTdx10, John. I appreciate you letting me know that you find the videos helpful and informative.
73, Doug
Thanks for providung the information that allowed me to choose wisely when ordering my first HF transceiver. 🙂
You’re very welcome. 73, de N4HNH
Thank you. 🙂
I had ordered the FT-710, but they were out of stock. That gave me the opportunity to rethink and I then switch to the FTdx10. Now, after watching this, I am pretty sure that was a good choice.
73, Henner, DO1HNR
You chose wisely, very wisely. The FT-710 is like a budget FTdx10. Good radio, but missing some nice features that your FTdx10 has.
73, de N4HNH
Keep these videos coming. Learning a lot!
Will do, Michael. I have much footage shot. Just editing and uploading and trying not to flood the feed with only FT-710 videos. Only 6% of the Patreon team showed interest in the FT-710. They specifically asked me not to focus only on the FT-710. So, for the next couple of months, the Tuesday videos will be FT-710 videos. Fridays will still be diverse.
Next week I cover DNF, and the week after is TX audio. After that I show the CW prowess of the FT-710. It is better at CW than it is at SSB. I was looking for a positive related to the FT-710 DNR. It is CW mode. Better than FTdx10? I will let the viewers be the judge.
73, Doug
Both are nice but outside of the fancy display, not much different than my FTDX3000.
Coming in as 3 rd on Rob Sherwood's receiver performance list makes for a pretty good entry radio! Good job Yaesu!!
I agree. The DSP is the achilles heel for the FT-710. Hopefully Yaesu can get that solved with an update.
Excellent comparison. Love my new 710
Detailed analysis video, great as usual. In fact, I just gave up my plan to buy TS-890 or TS-590SG because of the NR, as the "water sound" I really can`t stand this sound after I owned the FTdx-5000 and FTdx-10 ..... 😂😂🤣
I consider the 5000 and the dx10 to be the greatest pair ever.
Thanks N4HNH....in any case very well done video.
Thank you!
Thanks for putting this together. But, I would have really liked to seen how the DNR works in a real world environment where the signal you are chasing is maybe 1 or 2 S units above the noise floor. Also, try it in CW mode and show the 10's APF filter vs what the 710 can do with CW.
This was a real world environment. Weak signals too. In fact, I’m pretty sure I pointed that out in the video. They weren’t QRP ghost stations but propagation was awful. In case you didn’t hear the difference, the FTdx10 DNR makes the FT-710 DNR look bad. There are no watery sounding digital artifacts from the FTdx10 DNR. The 1 thru 15 algorithms smoothly transition from the lowest setting to the highest. There is no sudden change between algorithm 3 and algorithm 4. The funny thing is, the FT-891 and the FT-991A DNR has the watery sound until you reach algorithm 9. With the FT-710 the watery sound starts at algorithm 4 and just gets worse all the way to 15. ICOM DNR might be better than FT-710 DNR, but it doesn’t touch the FTdx10 or the FTdx5000MP DNR. Update: The March 27, 2023 firmware update spread the DNR out such that algorithm 7 is the new algorithm 3. It’s more fine now.
Thank you for your time & work putting these vids together. I'm still trying to decide on which of the two to get. Cheers and 73! de W3LAM
Glad to help. If you keep watching the series I think you will be able to make an informed decision. I cover the good, the bad, and the ugly.
73, de N4HNH
They DNR on both sound really good, making actionable differences!, I mean I can hear some of those differences but sometimes its really hard to tell from here.
The FT-710 DNR isn’t really usable above algorithm 3. The FTdx10 DNR is usable all the way to algorithm 15. And algorithm 1 on the FTdx10 is about as effective as algorithm 3 on the FT-710. I addressed that in other videos.
Hello Dear Friend, The FTDX-10 is sounding much much better, TO MY EARS. I'm a musician to and bass player same as you! Nice video and now I'm out of my doubts!
I'm very glad to hear that, Sergio. A fellow bass player huh? That's great! 73, Doug
Just two things. 1 dx10 has roofing filter so it introduces signal phase and amplitude distorstion, bit filters. 2 the 710 DNR for me is much more soft artefacts are well less the 10.
The 710 is a pure sdr while the 10 still carries analog issues. So the 710 is much more transparent. I like it very much. Hi de IT9JCB.
The distortion isn’t phase noise. If phase noise was an issue, the FT-710 would have beaten the FTdx10 in Rob Sherwood’s list. Rob notes when a receiver is “phase noise limited”, but he makes no such mention for the number one rated FTdx101D, or the FTdx10, both of which have mixer stages and both of which outranked the FT-710.
Since the FTdx10 has no DNR distortion and the FT-710 does, we must consider what is different. The DSP chip is different. NXP Semiconductors in the FT-710 and Texas Instruments in the FTdx10. But programming matters too. The FT-891 has the same T-I chip as the FTdx10 but the FT-891 has digital artifacts.
If you prefer pure SDR, Yaesu will be very glad for you to buy a FT-710. I certainly don’t care. I just post the truth and let the viewers decide what is best for them. I have no horse in the race. I don’t get a kickback from any manufacturer. And I certainly have no reason to recommend one Yaesu radio over another other than providing my viewers with the information they need in order to make an informed decision.
Am I wrong or does the FTDX10 have a very strong echo in the receive sound at the same setting as the 710? In the case of the 710, I can't hear it there and the DNR strength is better adjustable, I also saw videos where the weak signal was much better on the cheaper 710, did you register that too? Thank you, Jakub OK1TCM.
I find that the FTdx10 has the better receiver. The sensitivity is practically the same between the two, but the selectivity is slightly better with the FTdx10. The DNR in the FTdx10 is much superior to the FT-710. The DNR has been improved in the FT-710, after the March 27, 2023 update, but still not at the level of the FTdx10. It was really only useable with algorithms 1 through 3 until the March 27 update. Now it is useable up to algorithm 7. It still works above algorithm 7, but, starting at algorithm 8 it starts introducing the gnarly digital artifacts. The FTdx10 doesn’t suffer from the gnarly digital artifacts. Plus the DNR in the FTdx10 can remove so much noise that you can hear the AGC tail, which sounds a bit like reverb. It’s always there, but the noise covers it up. Keep watching videos. I cover all of this.
I really appreciate your various video series on the FTDX500, FTDX10 and the FT-710. Question: Between those 3 rigs, which one in your opinion, has the best DNR? Thanks, and 73, de WA3RSL.
The FTdx10 beats the FT-710 without question. The DNR in the FTdx10 is the first to rival the DNR in the FTdx5000MP, which is also great. The FTdx5000MP and the FTdx10 have the best DNR of any radio I’ve ever worked with.
73, de N4HNH
@@n4hnhradio Great thanks. I'd assume that the DNR in the FTDX-101D is the same as the FTDX-10? 73 de WA3RSL
When I first tested the FTdx101D the DNR was no better than the DNR in the FT-891. In fact they use the same Texas Instruments chip. After the FTdx10 was introduced, with the same Texas Instruments chip, but with DNR that rivaled the FTdx5000MP, the FTdx101D and MP were in need of an update. Supposedly the firmware update from April of 2021 put the FTdx101D and MP equal to the FTdx10, though I don’t have an FTdx101D or MP to test.
73, Doug
@@n4hnhradio Thanks Doug. That's great info. Keep up the great videos!
One thing Doug when you were listening to the sound on the 17th did you have the blended audio from both speakers internal and external speakers adjusted properly properly?
I meant the FT710 not the 17th
What is properly? I had them balanced so I could hear each speaker equally. I work in the music industry. I’m pretty good at audio.
I'm in the market for my first HF rig and I'm torn between these two. For a new HAM, which radio would you recommend? I'm studying for my General license now and I want to choose a radio that is easy for a new HAM to use. Thanks for your videos. KI5PRK
FTdx10 without question. For any ham. There is a learning curve but you won’t need to buy again. It’s all the radio you will need. My tutorial series has 95 videos to teach how to use it. View them in numerical order.
Fun to listen to when you compare. How good Tuner is in Ftdx10?
A later video shows the limits of the internal antenna tuner. That video is part of the FTdx10 series over on Patreon. There are 94 videos thus far.
Did the firmware update fix the DNR issue at algorithm level 4 sounding muddy or under water?
Definitely liking the processor in the dx10...
Not exactly. It spread algorithms 1-4 across 1-7, allowing for more incremental selections. You can’t go above algorithm 7 now.
I am still deciding between the two, hoping to find a good turkey day deal, but has the ftdx10 had any firmware updates come out for it to fix issues with it when it was first released, and would firmware be released for the 710 to address this DNR issue? If they did how would the 710 compare to the ftdx10 if the DNR was very similar in results? I suspect it would be superior in performance but lacking in the need menu driven features vs the ftdx and its more knob driven features would be a deciding factor, plus the 710 is fully future proof as it is SDR and fully upgradeable by firmware for the most part as to where the ftdx10 is hybrid and the receive side cannot be updated via firmware from my understanding?
The FTdx10 can receive updates just as much as the FT-710 can. They both have a FPGA chip. The FTdx10 is currently at firmware version 01-11. I won’t update mine. Mine is running 01-04. Mine has never flinched with that version.
The hybrid front-end just gives the FTdx10 the advantage on receive. While the FT-710 is the highest ranking pure SDR that Rob Sherwood has ever tested, it won’t be able to beat the hybrid, because the hybrid has physical roofing filters and superheterodyne conversion, which helps with selectivity. It does some heavy lifting up front, so the digital realm has less work to do and can thusly do a more effective job.
The DSP in the FT-710 is its weakness. It’s a different chip than the one in the FTdx10. We can only hope that Yaesu can fix it via firmware updates, but there is no guarantee.
73, de N4HNH
@@n4hnhradio thanks for the detailed reply. This helps a lot.
You’re very welcome!
73, de N4HNH
Ftdx10 has amazing DNR ability. Love the radio. Its tough for operators to truly understand the ftdx10 until they hear it in person.
Same, I too get fatigued without dnr. I run the dx10 through a heil pras also.
I like your setup. Topping off with the Heil is nice.
Does the 710 have a 3 band EQ on both TX and RX like the FTDX10
Yes. Watch the FT-710 series and you will see all the details.
Looking forward to your video on the FT710 as I am an owner of one of these a few days ago.Want to hear what your take is on the "NXP" dsp chip compared to the "TI" chip in Yaesu's other rigs.
That video goes public on Tuesday, as you no doubt saw. I did reveal my findings to the Patreon team, since some of them were trying to decide between the FTdx10, while it was still on sale, and the FT-710 AESS. There is much more to come regarding the FT-710 AESS.
73, de N4HNH
i find it interesting you ran notch in the middle. i normally do not use it unless there is co-channel interference affecting high frequency audio of the conversation i am listening. i adjust notch to "push down" the frequency of the interfering sound. But noticed you were running notch the entire time w/o any noise to cancel. do you simply like the tonal quality of notch running all the time in the middle?
You must not have watched the entire video. I explained why I enabled the manual notch filter. And it has minimal affect on the audio quality, because of the menu changes I make in my menu optimizations PDF.
@@n4hnhradio I did have some distractions going on so probably missed it.
I covered much in that video. It could have been split into three videos. But it was all about RX audio and I didn’t want to frustrate my viewers by making them have to watch three videos to get it all.
Do you know if there has been a firmware update on the FT-710, that has improved its DNR? Thanks 73 de WA3RSL
@frankENZC Well, sort of. The March 2023 update provided more steps before introducing digital artifacts. They actually just spread the effectiveness of algorithms 1 thru 3 across 1 thru 7. So algorithm 7 is the new algorithm 3. Algorithm 8 is where the digital artifacts start, as opposed to algorithm 4, prior to the update. Improvement? Well, you have to go to algorithm 7 to equal the effectiveness of algorithm 3. For some people that might be okay. I prefer the FTdx10 DNR, which is useable to algorithm 15 without digital artifacts. But, if DNR isn’t your thing, the FT-710 might be okay for you.
One plus for the FT-710 DSP is that the DNF (automatic notch filter) doesn’t produce distortion like the DNF in the FTdx10 does. But, since I use DNR more often than I use DNF, I prefer the FTdx10.
@@n4hnhradio Thanks Doug. Yes, DNR is my thing. One thing anyway. 73
Boy the 10 is smooth. So much warmer
Indeed it is, Joel.
73, Doug
The 101D is even better. I bought the 10 and then nine months later the 101D. I really like the 101D. Will you ever have videos on the 101D?
I don’t know. I don’t own one. But it is like a double FTdx10 with a variable preselector. Many of my viewers set theirs up according to my FTdx10 videos. Maybe at some point in the future I will get a loaner FTdx10 for a series.
73, de N4HNH
The one thing about the dx10 it has a separate bass trouble and mid the ftdx101d does not I don’t know if the new 710 does as well
Yes, the RX EQ must have been an afterthought and didn’t make it into the FTdx101D or MP. I cover that subject again in the FT-710 AESS unboxing video.
There's a blower noise in the background of your video. Where does it come from ? From the 10 or 710 or something else ?
You probably hear the FT-710 cooling fan. I covered it in another video. Keep watching in numerical order. You can watch up through video #17 on CZcams. The rest are at Patreon.com/N4HNH.
Absolutely FT-DX10 is best!!!
Both are great contenders but the FTdx10 has the edge, both in performance and ergonomics.
I've had the FT-710 for 11 days. Got to run a side by side w FTDX-10. Is the DX 10's dnr better? Yes, but not enough to justify the extra 200.00. Also, I spent an hour w a Yaesu tech on phone working on DNR and was able to eliminate a lot of the issues. They said as soon as they can get enough feedback they will make changes through a firmware update. Lastly, a long time friend has had his FTDX-10 for over a year and he said his DNR is watery also. It's a brand new radio and yet it's # 3 for sensitivity. I regularly watch your videos and for the most part you seem very unbiased. However, in this case I don't find it to be true. You waited to almost the end of the video to adjust the receive slope on the 710 to the same setting. Very disappointed! KD1ZV
The receive slope made very little difference. The issue is the watery sound. It is awful in the FT-710. Algorithm 3 isn’t enough and algorithm 4 is too harsh. Yaesu knows how to do this already. The radio should not have been released like this. Not giving Yaesu a pass on this. Nope! They don’t need “feedback”. That’s smoke and mirrors. Yaesu clearly knows how to do DNR. The FTdx10 proved that out of the gate. Mine is running firmware V01-04. No watery-sounding digital artifacts. Dropping the hi-cut from 3,000 to 2,600Hz had no appreciable effect, and it had zero effect at mitigating the watery-sounding digital artifacts. That is the issue with the DNR in the FT-710, not audio tapering. The DNR isn’t even as good as the DNR in FT-891.
Can you please tell me if the antenna tuner of FTDX 10 is so good as the tuner of FT-710 is? Thanks. Daniel VE7LCG
They are both “touch-up” tuners. They can match up to a 3:1 SWR.
@@n4hnhradio FT-710 matches 5:1 and more without problems, while ICOM IC-7300 is crap. See Rich Rodgers Online, "Yaesu FT 710 vs Icom IC 7300 Internal Antenna Tuners, which radio tunes higher SWR". It would be nice if you would try a comparison of automatic antenna tuners between FT-710 and FTDX 10. Daniel VE7LCG
Hooking both radios up to the same speaker output would help take variable out of different speaker quality and volume. Have you tried the 710 on the dx10’s speaker? How does that sound?
I evaluate the transceivers with their own accessories.
@@n4hnhradio I understand, I’ll be using non-Yaesu speaker system on the desk, so I was just curious, thanks for taking the time to respond. 73’s!
As long as the impedance matches, any speaker should suffice. I’m perfectly happy with the SP-30, after I modified it per one of my videos. I like that it matches the profile of the radio. This is amateur radio, so I don’t need the kind of speaker I would use to listen to music.
@@n4hnhradio absolutely! That was a nice touch to improving the speaker! You provide really nice detailed videos, I really enjoy and learn a lot, thanks brother! 73!
Thanks to the Patreon team long-haulers. They keep this channel up and running.
The new firmware for the ftdx10 that agc artifact is all but gone. Doesn’t sound like they’re standing in a stone cathedral. Almost no echo.
I did find that on the dx10 (was driving me nuts with the averaging power meter) I run an 40m EFHW which is 1.6:1 on 20. On the 991a and 891 although both use a peak power meter show 100w but my averaging meter on the tuner swings between 50-60w on peak swings. The dx10 was between 10-20. Same antenna. Through going back through the alc, mic gain setup using my dummy load the dx10 was swinging up to 50-60w put it on the antenna back down to 10-20. Testing it the dx10 rolls back power at 1.5:1. 991a and 891 both start rolling back power 2.5:1. Interesting. Never seen that on any dx10 video. On page nine searching for this specifically it make a brief mention that your antenna should be 1.5:1 to permit full performance of your radio.
Anyway thanks for your videos. KK4GMR
Most of us use an external power/SWR meter that can read PEP. Internal meters aren’t known to be scientifically accurate.
Doug, I am ready to hit the 'Buy' button on the FTDX10. I just want to make sure I am not buying to much, whereas the 710 would suffice. I don't foresee ever contesting. Impressive that these are #3 on the Sherwood list. Do I gain that much more, at the price, for the DX10? What is your opinion? Thanks. K8JAZ
There is more that needs to be considered than just the Sherwood ranking. FTdx10 has a better receiver for Field Day, which means it could better handle interference from a wide station near your operating frequency, even when you are just rag chewing or chasing DX. If you think you will ever need your radio during a national disaster or other emergency, when the bands are crowded, the FTdx10 wins.
The FTdx10 has superior digital noise reduction. The FT-710 makes SSB signals sound like you are listening under water if you set it above DNR algorithm 3. The FTdx10 won’t do that at any setting, from 1 to 15. I showed that in one of the videos in the FT-710 playlist.
The FTdx10 has a CW decoder, should you ever need to decode what a CW operator is sending. It can be handy while you are learning CW, or just as a backup when you are head-copying. The FT-710 has some serious issues with sending CW. The firmware update was supposed to fix it but it didn’t.
The audio from the FTdx10 is a little better. The FT-710 speakers are small, so they aren’t as loud without turning the volume up halfway or more to equal the FTdx10 at a volume setting of approximately 25 to 30%. But, the FT-710 audio sounds a little mushy when you get to the volume level of the FTdx10 at 25 to 30%.
The FT-710 has a peak-reading power output meter and the digital notch filter is cleaner than the one in the FTdx10. But the FTdx10 could be improved with a firmware update. I’m not sure the DSP chip in the FT-710 can be improved. It remains to be seen.
One of my viewers got a FT-710 yesterday. He returned it today. It wasn’t making the grade for him. He couldn’t tolerate the CW issues.
I would recommend the FTdx10 and you can be finished buying radios for a long time.
73, de N4HNH
@@n4hnhradio Doug, thank you for your thorough response and valued opinion. FTDX10 it is...Thanks. 73. K8JAZ. (Should be here overnight. 😎)
That’s quick shipping. Wow!
@@n4hnhradioDX Engineering (Ohio to Ohio) has always been overnight with standard ground shipping as long as the order is placed before 7P. K8JAZ.
Nice.
You can adjust AGC delay in the 101d. Figured the 10 would do that but maybe not the 710. Interesting.
Yes, you can. You can also adjust the AGC delay in the FTdx10. But you cannot adjust the AGC hold time. That is separate. Delay sets how many milliseconds before AGC action starts. The hold time is how many milliseconds the audio tapers off. It is like a reverb hang time. It’s always there. We just can’t hear it because of the background noise. If you are able to hear the AGC hold (I affectionately call it hang time), then the DNR has effectively stripped out the noise and left you with only the tapering off of the audio.
73, de N4HNH
@@n4hnhradio Ah, didn't know that. I wonder why they took that away. It's all software at that point right? Why just leave those lines of code in? lol
I’ve wondered that since the release of the FTdx101D. It doesn’t have Super Narrow APF either, which the FTdx5000MP has. I use that all the time when chasing ghost CW signals.
The FT-920 had a pulser for tuning an amplifier. They didn’t even carry the pulser forward into the FTdx5000MP. I can work around that though. I use CW dahs to tune my amplifier. Referring to my tube type amplifier. The Elecraft solid-state amplifier doesn’t require tuning, of course.
73, de N4HNH
@@n4hnhradio That would have been nice too since I just bought an AL-811H and I'm slowly learning how to tune it. A built in pulser, also probably just some lines of code, would be real nice about now.
If you have a CW key, just tune using around 15-18 WPM.
Hi is also the 710 have the ttbf?
Watch my video called, "Power Spectral Density Huh?" It's in the "Learning Ham Radio" playlist. It's available from the Training page at www.N4HNHradio.com.
I have both. I don't notice much difference in sensitivity or noise floor.
Their receivers are virtually identical in performance, except for the dynamic range at 100kHz. FTdx10 would be the better Field Day radio.
The biggest difference is that the DNR is weaker in the FT-710 and the FT-710 has no CW decoder.
Wow, conclusions or cliff notes version please. 30 minutes on my data plan. Ouch.
This is probably not the channel you’re looking for.
Anyone seen a mar's modification yet on this transfer?
The MARS mod is accomplished in a similar fashion to other Yaesu transceivers. In the case of the FT-710, there are a couple of circuit pads to solder together and then you hold down a couple of buttons while powering up. Yaesu will send the instructions to you if you send them a copy of your MARS license.
If you aren’t comfortable doing the mod yourself, you can send the transceiver to Yaesu, along with a copy of your MARS license.
Some retailers offer a MARS mod option that they will perform for you before they ship the transceiver. They charge a nominal fee for that service.
Yaesu told me that performing the MARS mod doesn’t void your warranty unless you cause damage to the transceiver while performing the MARS mod.
If you are interested in the MARS mod so you can operate 60m FT8 more easily, that isn’t necessary with the FT-710. Yaesu added 5 more 60m memory channels that are already set up for DATA-U.
73, de N4HNH
@@n4hnhradio Which 2 buttons do you need to hold for MARS mod while powering up? Thanks.
It depends upon the radio. Consult the MARS mod instructions for your particular transceiver. Yaesu will send the instructions, once you send them a copy of your MARS license.
The FTDX10 internal speaker faces upwards, and is projecting into the radio above it. The FT710 is not subject to this. I would have placed these side by side.
The FTdx10 internal speaker isn’t used when the SP-30 is connected. Only the FT-710 AESS uses both speakers simultaneously. It needs to, because the resonance chamber is smaller. That’s what the AESS is all about.
@@n4hnhradio Oh I see, silly me I didn't notice you had the SP-30 on the other end of it =D I have mine on the left!
Cheers
I don’t have room on the left. My main base station is there. If I put the SP-30 on the left, it would put the controls for the FTdx10 too far away.
The FT-710 AESS sounds better with the SP-40 on the right. It provides better separation between the two speakers. Also, the SD card plugs into the left side of the FT-710 AESS. I would hate to have to remove the speaker every time I want to access the SD card.
If you watch the size comparison video in the FT-710 AESS series, you will clearly see the SP-30 under the SP-40. It is the previous video in the series, video #10. The SP-30 is featured prominently in the FTdx10 series, including a video that shows me adding baffles to improve the sound quality.
I know the video is now a year old but the deal on the 710 is pretty good right now (Thanksgiving 23) $899.95...Currently a $500 difference.........I ordered a 710.
$789.95 from Main Trading Company, the last time I checked. $889 for the AESS model.
I have the 710 but can only turn the DNR up to 3 then it sounds like people under water my icom 7300 I can turn the DNR all the way up works fine I believe Yaesu could fix this problem
In video #13 of the FTdx10 series I compare the IC-7300 and the FTdx10, including DNR. The FTdx10 has the best DNR of all the radios I’ve used, except the FTdx5000MP. But it’s equal to the FTdx5000MP. They both use a Texas Instruments DSP chip. They aren’t the exact same chip model but similar. The FT-710 DSP chip is from NXP Semiconductors. Yaesu is aware of the problem with the DNR and supposedly they are working on it. I guess it’s going to depend upon whether or not the NXP chip is capable of better performance. We shall see.
To me and my worn military ears, the FTDX10 wins hands down. It sounds pretty evident to me... Great radio for the money (FTDX10). Thank you for posting this comparison. The eye candy on the FT-710 AESS is nice though, I must admit; but radio is 90%+ about the listening experience. Also, nice mention about the FT891. 73
I couldn’t agree more. Radio is for the ears. One thing though. The FTdx10 is a great radio for any money. It’s receiver beats the $17,000 Hiberling PT-8000A, the $14,000 ICOM IC-7851, the $8,000 Kenwood TS-990S, to name a few. The one it cannot beat is the $3,900 FTdx101D, it’s big brother. But it is very close to the performance of the FTdx101D.
@@n4hnhradio I totally agree! All the best! Thanks again for making these videos. 73
You’re very welcome!
Comparing the sound of one radio over another does not amount to much if both radios are not using the same external speaker.
Ummm…no. I am comparing how each radio sounds out of the box. I will not skew the analysis by introducing a third party speaker. You can try someone else’s channel if you want to hear that.
Agreed. I like the idea of the comparison, but it would be more useful if the audio was piped straight into the camera from the transceivers' headphone outputs.
My camera microphone exactly captures what I hear. If you listen with earbuds or headphones you are hearing what I heard. If I pipe the sound into the camera directly, my viewers will not hear the capabilities of the speaker. I’m sure there must be a channel out there where they record directly from the radio’s headphone out or speaker out.
I would have to agree that the dx10 does sound better wonder if that has to do with the size of the speaker I had the dx10 sold it and bought the ftdx101d my personal opinion is that the dx10 is a better radio than the ftdx101d I have spoken to rob Sherwood about that as well I need to call him to find out what his opinion is on the new ft 710 so far as I can tell the dx10 is better than the 710
Rob tested the 710. It’s the subject of a video in this series.
@@n4hnhradio yeah he did inform me that he was going to test that radio the ft 710 I just have not called him to get his opinion on that radio. I think if Yaesu could get there radios to sound as good on the air like icom did with there 7300 they would have a real winner on there hands yes I know it’s not how good a radio sound on the air I’m just saying. I test radio out myself I’ve been called the rob Sherwood of the p.n.w.
The Yaesu transceivers have two 3-band parametric equalizers built in. They are disabled out of the box. Once enabled and adjusted for your voice, the Yaesu can sound as good as the ICOM transceiver, and many people think they sound better than the ICOM. One of my viewers who switched from an IC-7300 to a FTdx10 characterized it like this: “The Yaesu radio is a thinking man’s radio. It does more but there is a learning curve. The ICOM is a great beginner radio.”
I get stellar unsolicited TX audio compliments, whether I’m using the FTdx5000MP or the FTdx10. But, I have taken the time to adjust the parametric equalizers for my voice.
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The whole comparison of the digital features comes to nothing absolutely if you use different rx audio settings and speakers.
I compare radios as they are. I don’t color the tone by mix-matching speakers. I evaluated the FT-710 as it was shipped to me. Since it had a companion speaker, I used the companion speaker for the FTdx10 as well. So each radio was used in its stock configuration. If you don’t like the way I compare radios, then why not make your own comparisons, your way?
@@n4hnhradio Well that is just why I do not make comparison videos - you can easily create wrong impression using even slightly different settings. And obviously you know how many settings a modern rig has. The only comparison worth trying is to pull out a weak CW signal in a very busy and noisy environment. Here equalisers LF amps and speakers can not help at all.
To my ears, the audio from the 710 is nowhere near as clear or strong as the FTdx10. I'm sure DNR has some effect on that as well as the speaker.
Either are great! The FT-710 has the 3rd best receiver in the world, for dynamic range, behind the FTdx10 and the FTdx101D/MP. But, the FT-991A didn’t do bad in my comparison videos, pulling out weak signals. The FT-991A is like the Swiss Army Knife of ham radio. It’s the one transceiver to own if you can only own one transceiver. But, for an HF base station starter rig, the FT-710 is much for the money.
But yes, the RX audio from the FTdx10, with the SP-30 external speaker, sounds better.
@@n4hnhradio Good to hear! I had edited my post to remove the 991A reference...sorry about that. I had originally asked how the 710 would stack up against the 991A. I'm going to see about getting the 991A back in operation soon. Even though I have the FTdx10, I'd like to have the 991A back.
If you have an FTdx10, you definitely don’t need an FT-710. Having an FT-991A to handle 2m/70cm, and to serve as a backup HF rig, is a great plan.
In Spain, dx10 price is 500€ higher than 710 🤨
Still worth the extra for the FTdx10, unless you only want a radio for rag chewing. Then the FT-710 is just fine.
If you work contests, Field Day, or want a transceiver that will be able to receive during emergency conditions with the bands are crowded, it is best to buy the FTdx10 or FTdx101D/MP.
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@@n4hnhradio Totally agree, I think dx10 goes more than one step forward.
Absolutely! FTdx10 is better in numerous aspects.
The dx10 is much better i knew it my opinion the 710 is an entry level radio and price tag yeasu did a big mistake on the 710🤷♂️
No doubt the FTdx10 is worth the extra $200. I’ve been saying to my viewers, buy the FTdx10 before the sale price ends. The AESS only helps the FT-710 sound better for a radio with small speakers. But it doesn’t sound better than the FTdx10 with the SP-30.
There were those who were upset that Yaesu introduced hybrids rather than a pure SDR. There are those who think that the SDR technology rules. It doesn’t, yet! Maybe in the future it will, but not yet. The top two radios in the world are superheterodyne/SDR hybrids. The FT-710 is now the top rated pure SDR in the world, but it couldn’t quite beat it’s big brother, the FTdx10, in the dynamic range comparison. And it definitely doesn’t beat it when you compare the DSP. The DNF is the only area where I see an improvement over the FTdx10. I cover that in an upcoming video in this series.
As I have warned numerous times in my videos, and in the comments, the manufacturers will make what we will buy. If we won’t buy a superheterodyne or a hybrid, that will be the end of them. We need to quit assuming that the latest is always greatest.
73, de N4HNH
@@n4hnhradio i said that from the very beginning everyone said how do you know i said you got to read yeasu coming soon ad. In my opinion yeasu shot themselves in the foot on this one again big deal they include a yeasu cheap speaker do your research 👍💯
Just got me a DX10 for my very first radio! Thanks for all your work and reviews on it. It has helped me make a solid decision choosing between the two. Definitely worth the extra $ even if I haven’t used it yet just basing on your series! I’m curious how it would perform using an MFJ 1982mP efhw…i know-not the best of antennas but eventually i will get to save for a better antenna! Chose the efhw to keep it low key as possible with HOA community🤷🏽♂️
I use a $150 ZS6BKW from NI4L.com. It’s very stealthy. The wire is thin and rope-like. I’ve featured it on this channel, in the HF antennas playlist.
My friend Joel lives in a neighborhood that doesn’t allow antennas. No one has noticed his after 5 years. My friend Vince lives in a golf community. No antennas allowed! I suggested that he suspend it from the highest point of his 2-story house and let the two wires slope down with the eaves. The ends are around 7-8 feet off the ground attached to small pokes driven in the ground. The middle is at 28 feet. That leaves 12 feet of ladder line, which isn’t supposed to touch the ground, so he got creative and found ways to suspend it horizontally under his deck. His ZS6BKW has been up for 1.5 years and, thus far, no one has said anything. He painted the ladder-Loc (center insulator) the same color as the wooden portion of his house so it blends into the background.
73, de N4HNH
@@n4hnhradio ive said that to my viewers along ago people thought i was stupid . Its still on my utube channel people are like how do you know that i said do your research thats how i know the ft dx10 is hybrid circuitry and the 710 is an sdr i think it is ridiculous for the price difference the ft dx10 has more features than the 710. I knew this before it came out again i told people you got to read what it is and does its not rocket science. I still get a kick out of a few people said how do you know i told them from the coming soon not in production ad . I did my research before i buy any radio equipment. Iam trying to explain how i knew about the FT710 but thats that how i knew its just like buying a new junky car what opions what size motor etc lol 🤣👍💯
I'm really not impressed with this radio it's cheaply made I think the icom 7300 for the same price range is a much way better designed radio they've gotten so cheap Yeasu in their handy talkies are probably the only decent things that they came out with
I’m afraid the 7300 is no match for the performance of the FT-710, even though I find shortcomings in the 710, compared to the FTdx10. I showed in previous videos that the IC-7300 doesn’t even beat the FT-891 as far as performance.
I do like the squelch performance of the IC-7300 better than the Yaesu squelch.
But the ICOM doesn’t have a Contour filter or an Audio Peak Filter. It is also very prone to overload at the A/D conversion stage, something that Yaesu’s direct sampling design doesn’t suffer from. The randomization and dithering is superior in the Yaesu.
And the Yaesu has a direct connection for an external monitor.
Been looking into these radios as a newbie. Hearing nothing but really boring low IQ conversations between people that basically have nothing to talk about. Not trying to sound negative, but can someone justify a reason to even spend thousands of dollars on these radios? What's the benefit? I'm having a hard time trying to figure out why anyone would need these for anything. Anybody?
Amateur radio has long been an extension of the emergency services and some operators hold a special, additional license, to assist with military communications.
Amateur operators are often called into service when cell towers and commercial communications towers are inoperable after a tornado and/or a hurricane. There are also local Skywarn nets that take place via area repeaters to warn specific locations of impending dangerous weather. This information is communicated to the National Weather Service and they rebroadcast over the area NWS transmitters. If you are listening to your local NWS station during a storm, they are probably getting a good bit of their intel via the Skywarn network of spotters, via ham radio mobile stations and walkie-talkies (aka HTs).
There is a hurricane watch net on 7.268MHz and 14.325MHz, which gathers on-the-ground reports and communicates it to the National Hurricane Center in Miami, Florida. They incorporate this data into their reports.
The 911 system in my county went down for several days a few years ago. The local ARES (Amateur Radio Emergency Service) stationed amateur operators at hospitals, and police and fire stations to provide communications while the 911 system was repaired.
But yes, people “rag chew” often, to keep their skills sharp, test antennas, test microphones, solve the world’s problems, etc. And many of us try to contact far away stations to get them logged and trade QSL cards. Some operate from parks some operate from mountains, some operate from islands, and some operate from lighthouses, just for fun and exercise.
The two radios featured in this video are rated as having the second and third best receivers in the world. They minimize noise and reject interference better than all but one radio, and it happens to be their big brother, the FTdx101. If you can’t pull someone out of the noise and interference, you can’t complete a contact. The FTdx10 is slightly better than the FT-710 at noise and interference rejection and the FTdx10 has a few more features that the FT-710 is missing, but either transceiver beats radios costing 3 to over 10 times as much. I cover all of that in my video series’. I have a 36-video series about the FT-710 and I’m nearing 100 videos for the FTdx10.
Radios are scary inexpensive today. It seems that the technology curve has helped keep prices well below the rate of inflation. A good HF base station cost $1,200 in 1959. That’s almost $13,000 in today’s money. In 1959, that radio cost nearly half the average income of $2,600 for an individual. I paid $1339.95 in 2009 for a radio that didn’t include nearly as many features as these new radios from Yaesu.
This is a fortunate time to get into amateur radio. The technology in these new radios is incredible, compared to the radios that were available when I was first licensed, in 1982. There are a couple of features from the older radios that I wish we still had, but the newer features are a fair trade.
@@n4hnhradio Thanks for the reply.