Vector W8 VS. Dodge Viper | American Drag Race Special with Carwow

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  • čas přidán 19. 06. 2024
  • This video was created and hosted by ‪@carwow‬
    On this American Car Showdown, Matt from Carwow is driving the 1992 Dodge Viper, a vehicle best known as a result of Carroll Shelby’s collaboration with Chrysler Corporation. This Viper, serial number 00005, was part of a small run of pilot production cars built to evaluate production methods.
    VERSUS
    A 1993 Vector W8, driven by Chris from the Caretaker Collection. Los Angeles-based entrepreneur Jerry Wiegert designed the Vector to compete in the international supercar market of the 1970s. Hailed by many as the first modern American supercar, the W8, Vector’s first production model, was built in the Los Angeles suburb of Wilmington.
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    Thank You to Auto Concierge for the upstanding care and shipping of our Museum Vehicles to and from the track.
    #Cars #dragrace #vectorw8 #dodgeviper #petersenmuseum
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  • @joshthemediocre7824
    @joshthemediocre7824 Před 5 měsíci +368

    Hats off to a stock low mile 92 viper running a 12.2. That's super fast for a stock car even today.

    • @wickedhouston5538
      @wickedhouston5538 Před 5 měsíci +10

      *91

    • @culcune
      @culcune Před 5 měsíci +32

      Not only that, the road is definitely NOT a prepped drag strip, but rather a crappy looking old frontage road that parallels the nearby highway. And I was rooting for the Vector...

    • @snakebitten6967
      @snakebitten6967 Před 5 měsíci +7

      It’s not the GTS Viper either, which is faster than the RT/10. Loved the Vector, both versions of it. I remember the NYC reveal of the newer model in the 90’s at the Marriott hotel

    • @corleth2868
      @corleth2868 Před 5 měsíci +4

      It's about as quick as a stock Mk8 VW Golf R (12.3 on the Carwow strip) and slower than a Mercedes A45 S (12.1 on the Carwow strip)... so hot hatch speed rather than 'super fast' I guess but still pretty good for a 30+ year old car.

    • @neilbezuidenhout9284
      @neilbezuidenhout9284 Před 5 měsíci +29

      ​@@corleth2868bud 12 secs is super fast for any street legal stock car...... The price point of a r or the merc is in the super car space..... And then ur still just got a hatchback.....

  • @schrodingerscat8621
    @schrodingerscat8621 Před 5 měsíci +158

    Man that first launch in the vector! You could calculate his reaction time with a calendar!😂

    • @Perry_dAccard
      @Perry_dAccard Před 5 měsíci +2

      That's the outrageous performance of an ultra long gear autobox with an oil slusher in front. Ridiculous, isn't it?

    • @Coffee17990
      @Coffee17990 Před 5 měsíci +5

      @@Perry_dAccardor maybe they don’t really want to race an old car like that which is why they shouldn’t bother racing them but who are we to stop them

    • @person.w9780
      @person.w9780 Před 5 měsíci +4

      could also be insane turbo lag

    • @jreyman
      @jreyman Před 5 měsíci +2

      @@Coffee17990 I think he's afraid to do the things necessary to get a '90's automatic to hook up, because breaking anything on a ultra low production $1.5 Million car would be bad, even if those parts are found in an old GM parts bin. (He was easing into the throttle, instead of brake torquing, then launching at "GO!")

    • @VcArena
      @VcArena Před 5 měsíci +1

      ​@@jreymanif theyvare going to do all that then don't even bother letting a crapload of people down. That was ridiculous.

  • @stagger87
    @stagger87 Před 5 měsíci +84

    The Vector is so unapologetically 80s it's glorious 🖤

  • @joaopedro8942
    @joaopedro8942 Před 5 měsíci +695

    Awesome collab but man that Vector didn't sound healthy at all!

    • @S.Matt240
      @S.Matt240 Před 5 měsíci +152

      Yeah, something is seriously wrong with that thing. I don’t think it’s getting any boost

    • @Christri
      @Christri Před 5 měsíci +135

      Boost leak!

    • @S.Matt240
      @S.Matt240 Před 5 měsíci +142

      @@Christri Yeah, sounds like the wastegates are wide open and just dumping boost. When he rev’d that thing it sounded like a shop vac

    • @joeschmoe5009
      @joeschmoe5009 Před 5 měsíci +46

      ​​@@S.Matt240 ill bet this was recorded by the carwow equipment, which always sound absolutely horrible on the exterior revs. It never ever sounds good for any vehicle, they all sound so bad

    • @grill1234
      @grill1234 Před 5 měsíci +43

      Sound of open waste gate

  • @donschiffer7400
    @donschiffer7400 Před 5 měsíci +208

    The Vector could have been amazing with a simple 5 speed manual… the only cars that came close in the looks department back then were Lambo’s and De Tomaso’s.

    • @Perry_dAccard
      @Perry_dAccard Před 5 měsíci

      Right? One wonders what they were thinking when they decided to use that autobox. Cocaine, probably.

    • @user-sy1ed9ex5m
      @user-sy1ed9ex5m Před 5 měsíci +24

      I guess they could't find a manual that can hold 900nm

    • @premonemo
      @premonemo Před 5 měsíci +11

      Looks like a cross between a Decepticon and a carrot

    • @donschiffer7400
      @donschiffer7400 Před 5 měsíci +5

      @@user-sy1ed9ex5m Yeah probably true. Supra transmissions could do it but that’s a few years later.

    • @mkefayati473
      @mkefayati473 Před 5 měsíci +2

      ​@@premonemo😂😂😂

  • @blurglide
    @blurglide Před 5 měsíci +47

    I'm sure that museum piece Vector probably needs a checkup

    • @MrDaishee
      @MrDaishee Před 12 dny +1

      no got a low 3 gearbox absolut useless.

  • @GadgetyMV
    @GadgetyMV Před 5 měsíci +192

    The Vector still looks great, so many years later. Alfa Carabo, Stratos Zero echoes in the design. Love the original Viper, too. Looked amazing when it was introduced - wide and low.

    • @harryredpath9986
      @harryredpath9986 Před 5 měsíci +4

      I'm getting a hint of de tomaso pantera gts as well

    • @speedracerjeff
      @speedracerjeff Před 5 měsíci +2

      It’s an overpriced Kit Car 😂
      Ancient TPI intake on a forged 6.0 V8, boosted, with Poor Peformance and even worse Handling…

    • @askerleaves1614
      @askerleaves1614 Před 5 měsíci +4

      @@speedracerjeff random ass hating out of nowhere, but OK

    • @samueljones3668
      @samueljones3668 Před 5 měsíci +2

      ​@@askerleaves1614
      Its not, the Vector looks like complete shit when it was new and a steaming wedged shape crock of shit now.

    • @askerleaves1614
      @askerleaves1614 Před 5 měsíci

      @@samueljones3668 like geez dude did it screw your wife or something?? I promise you there is zero reason for you to be hating like this

  • @coyster530
    @coyster530 Před 5 měsíci +126

    Thank you Peterson Automotive Museum for letting these cars be driven and actually seen and used for the purposes they were meant to be used for I love it when you guys bring out the super vintage stuff but it's really cool when you bring out stuff from the early nineties from my childhood I love it

    • @southrpv8839
      @southrpv8839 Před 5 měsíci +1

      30yr+ old cars are vintage, btw. 😉
      Totally agree - so great to see these running as they were intended to be run. 💪

    • @coyster530
      @coyster530 Před 5 měsíci +1

      @@southrpv8839 I didn't want to feel old man. Damn 🤣🤣🤘

  • @deanmcmanis9398
    @deanmcmanis9398 Před 5 měsíci +63

    Both of those were my dream cars. I knew that I was never going to own a Vector. But interestingly I do own a Gen II Viper. Kudos to the Petersen Museum for providing the cars for this dream race, and thanks to Matt and CarWow for making it happen! The Viper is definitely a quick car, but by the specs the Vector should have won easily. So that Viper win was a pleasant surprise.

    • @TheTrooperMB
      @TheTrooperMB Před 5 měsíci +2

      gearbox matters

    • @JK-js2td
      @JK-js2td Před 5 měsíci +2

      I was in high school when the Vector came out...and like alot of car kids...i had a poster of one on my wall. Many dreams were had staring at it wishing i couldve owned one back then. I forgot it had a 3speed auto tranny but i did think it was considerably faster than a quarter mile in the 13s. Wonder what the final drive gear ratio is? I forgot what the top speed was...170? I know they Gen Y and millenials wont get it really but back in the day the Gen X peeps knew that was cutting edge design. My mouth drops still looking at it. Way cool...thanks Peterson for bringing it out to play! 👊

    • @TheTrooperMB
      @TheTrooperMB Před 5 měsíci +1

      @@JK-js2td im a millenial , pantera detomaso fan since im a kid! Also grew up in France and all the good ol youngtimers and some oldtimers around

    • @JK-js2td
      @JK-js2td Před 5 měsíci +1

      @@TheTrooperMB hell yeah!

  • @pjbird6
    @pjbird6 Před 5 měsíci +21

    If that’s vin number 3, I detailed it 20ish years ago, crazy neat car

  • @TheHayabusa09
    @TheHayabusa09 Před 5 měsíci +95

    ROAD&TRACK test drove the Vector W8 back in 1991 and recorded 0-60MPH in 3.9 seconds and the quarter in 11.0..

    • @jamesengland7461
      @jamesengland7461 Před 5 měsíci +65

      This one definitely ain't running right

    • @DailyStalkerUpdate
      @DailyStalkerUpdate Před 5 měsíci +2

      @@jamesengland7461 It's typical though.

    • @bigggmustang73
      @bigggmustang73 Před 5 měsíci +22

      The Vector has a selectable boost dial if I remember right. Didn't even address it in the video

    • @davidknight4874
      @davidknight4874 Před 5 měsíci +2

      Sure did. I still have that issue!

    • @311superfly
      @311superfly Před 5 měsíci +2

      Cover has 12 flat

  • @ImmortanDan
    @ImmortanDan Před 5 měsíci +60

    The Vector's three-speed shouldn't actually be a problem, as even with a first gear ending at 70 mph, it's still got enough torque to get to 60 mph in around 4 seconds. Apart from the other people here talking about the Vector not sounding in shape, I would guess that the Museum's driver wasn't allowed to properly brake-torque it and let the converter work its magic.
    I say the museum techs ought to refurbish that thing's engine, put an actual pro driver in there, and let them rip. It would take some funding, but I'm sure there are some rich car guys around that would be up to the task.

    • @TheRiverPirate13
      @TheRiverPirate13 Před 5 měsíci +6

      I'm fairly certain the boost was turned down and the driver was being very gentle with a car valued that much. When they went up against each other back in the day the Vector was much faster.

    • @TheRiverPirate13
      @TheRiverPirate13 Před 5 měsíci

      @@TTOOS I'm not sure what the point of the video was. Almost as if to say the Vector was slower than the Viper however, they made no reference to the road tests when these cars were new and the Vector ran an under 12 second quarter mile and smoked the Viper.

    • @craigjohnson8217
      @craigjohnson8217 Před 5 měsíci

      3000+ rpm converter will fix ol vectors problems

    • @ImmortanDan
      @ImmortanDan Před 5 měsíci +3

      @@TheRiverPirate13 Yeah, if the museum was gonna either "protect" the Vector or for some other reason not bring it up to its 7psi factory setting, they should not have staged the drag race. They should have allowed some manner of drive-around and showcase, maybe.

    • @jreyman
      @jreyman Před 5 měsíci +1

      Yes, driver is afraid of braking a $1.5 Million dollar investment.
      Also, cars that sit for long periods of time, go bad from simply sitting much faster than if they're used on a regular basis.

  • @IanLikesVideosSometimes
    @IanLikesVideosSometimes Před 5 měsíci +36

    Have loved the Vector and Viper's looks since I was a kid, awesome to see them race one another!

  • @Schlipperschlopper
    @Schlipperschlopper Před 5 měsíci +10

    Please Vector VS Cizeta V16!

  • @brrav_
    @brrav_ Před 5 měsíci +7

    Never thought I would see someone drag race a vector. My humble life is complete.

  • @ICKY427
    @ICKY427 Před 5 měsíci +11

    i assume the idea behind the 3 speed (presumably a powerglide) is the reason they use them in drag racing. no loss of time shifting, and it has enough torque and a wide enough powerband that it doesnt need more gear. i suspect the reason it struggled here is that it WASNT making the power, for some reason. sounded like the boost was fluttering instead of building properly.

    • @madmaxd1
      @madmaxd1 Před 5 měsíci +2

      GM Turbo Hydromatic 425, a transmission for big cars in the 60s

    • @johnnytyler5685
      @johnnytyler5685 Před 2 měsíci

      Powerglides are two speeds, not three speeds.

  • @pcar928fan
    @pcar928fan Před 5 měsíci +36

    I love the Vector W8! Such a cool looking car!! I don’t think any of them made the power they were supposed to make.

    • @dougthompson1598
      @dougthompson1598 Před 5 měsíci

      Gerald Wiegert was a serial liar. The V8 twin-turbo was a disaster, and mated to a
      3speed slushbox would in no way allow it to reach the proposed performance numbers. The later version M12 using a Lamborghini-sourced V12 was a better car on paper, what with a relatively proven drivetrain, but in reality was a near-deathtrap.
      They were assembled near my home in FL, I'd see one on test drives occasionally, and they sounded glorious, but if one drove by while I was on foot, there was almost always an alarming smell of gasoline and coolant following the car. A mirror flat fell off of one while I watched it cross railroad tracks, and at least one caught fire just tooling through the countryside, though I didn't see that.

    • @JeffDeLamater
      @JeffDeLamater Před 5 měsíci +8

      Even if they did, they were absolutely hamstrung by the stupid transmission decision. Should have at least used the 4 speed auto from the corvette of the same era.

    • @dickeysgarage
      @dickeysgarage Před 5 měsíci +6

      @@JeffDeLamater I don't think it was a decision so much as a lack of choice and money. When the car was being developed in the late 80s, there was not much in the way of available options for a midengine capable GM 90 degree bellhousing transmission that would manage over 600 ft/lbs of torque.

  • @ljmorris6496
    @ljmorris6496 Před 5 měsíci +10

    Didn't know a stock '90s Viper was that fast. The Vector wasn't tuned right because those ran 11's also you can adjust the turbo boost on the dashboard.

  • @Cyborg_Auto
    @Cyborg_Auto Před 5 měsíci +34

    After all these years the Vector still looks cool..👍

  • @gittyupalice96
    @gittyupalice96 Před 5 měsíci +9

    I've seen those stock early vipers line up with modern cars with around 5-600 horse power and absolutely destroy them, Its actually insane how fast those vipers were for 400hp. (giving the vector more credit in a round about way here lol )

  • @MichaelDavis-si9bv
    @MichaelDavis-si9bv Před 5 měsíci +26

    Tune the Vector and rematch.

  • @krisg.4257
    @krisg.4257 Před 5 měsíci +30

    The Vector Avtech W8 was one of my favourites nineties supercars. The idea behind its design was a jet plane for the roads. 👍

  • @jamesengland7461
    @jamesengland7461 Před 5 měsíci +76

    In this episode, a rare classic which hasn't been properly maintained or thoroughly checked is dragged out of storage and thrashed on track, risking engine and transmission damage, while producing about half its rated power.

    • @CarsandCats
      @CarsandCats Před 5 měsíci +13

      Nailed it.

    • @henkjaegerde7591
      @henkjaegerde7591 Před 5 měsíci +4

      Fortunately, it’s the first time they make this mistake and they had no way of knowing it could hap…oh wait

    • @JowoHD
      @JowoHD Před 5 měsíci

      pathetic. what a fucking insult to such an incredible vehicle

    • @Libertyracer
      @Libertyracer Před 5 měsíci +2

      Exactly. If they did some tuning on it and maybe even a basic tune-up and the guy didn't have terrible reactions in the first race and manually shifted the slush box things could have been a little different but that car was never meant to be a drag race car anyway. Still we appreciate seeing the thing run even though it sounded terrible and it was the dream car of a generation.

    • @princequestly2218
      @princequestly2218 Před 5 měsíci +2

      I’m quite sure they looked over the car and took the proper precautions before racing it. People that own cars of that caliber are meticulous and that car is a collector’s item.

  • @gmain1977
    @gmain1977 Před 5 měsíci +10

    The vector had issues, sounded bad, when it was new ran 11s.
    The Viper 12.2 was fast for the day even now

    • @joevarga5982
      @joevarga5982 Před 5 měsíci

      Soo... when a Vector gets old it loses performance?

    • @311superfly
      @311superfly Před 5 měsíci

      Cover of road and track said 12 flat! So good for Dodge.

    • @311superfly
      @311superfly Před 5 měsíci

      Vector quarter mile. ❤

  • @stevensofroniou
    @stevensofroniou Před 5 měsíci +15

    I’ve driven a Viper when I was an instructor at Prodrives private test track in Warwickshire and I can tell you it should come with a skid driving course as mandatory before taking ownership ! It had no ABS , no traction control or intact any driver aid at all . I would have thought this would make it an interesting car to drive and challenging but I wouldn’t let anyone drive it in the wet especially and say give it a go , it’s a real handful and with so much torque it would oversteer at the slightest squeeze of the accelerator . She would spin the wheels in 4 th gear in a straight line . Pronounced understeer was a problem when pushing on . All in all a hair raising visceral experience but that said on a track actually fun ! On the road you would have to be on your A game on say a twisty B Road .

    • @3644Darrell
      @3644Darrell Před 5 měsíci +4

      My uncle had one of the early ones. He sold it because he said the car was trying to kill him

    • @stevensofroniou
      @stevensofroniou Před 5 měsíci +1

      @@3644Darrell I can fully believe that M8

    • @JK-js2td
      @JK-js2td Před 5 měsíci +1

      My buddy first got the SRT-10 Viper pickup. For what it is...its a great vehicle. Plenty fast...handled well...especially for a truck...and the big brakes on it really worked well. It really drives more like a car than ac truck...however...it feels like a car but 2-3 feet higher...lol. he sold the truck and ended up finding a 1996 blue GTS coupe. I agree with the other Viper comments...that car was a BEAST! It had 450hp...50 more than the standard Viper. One of the fastest cars ive ever driven. Cant imagine what the last ones were like with 600-650hp. A badass car...no doubt!

    • @importantvideos4529
      @importantvideos4529 Před 5 měsíci +1

      Really? Trying to kill him? I've owned 3 Vipers including a stroked GTS with about 100 hp over stock and a Blown GTS with over 840 hp and drove them in the rain regularly with little problem. Just take off in 2nd and be gentle with the accelerator. Never understood people who pretend it was so difficult to drive. Put over 27,000 miles on then combined, not once did I have a problem. Even got stuck out of town driving home when it started snowing and still managed to make it home. Ok, so that one was a bit hairy, as the tires simply do not want to grip in the snow. But I made it home despite, and I'm nothing special behind the wheel other than mindful of throttle input. I don't get it... Just seems like exaggeration. Or lack of self control. 😂 That last bit is somewhat understandable, as the torque is addicting, but not the cars fault. Lol

    • @stevensofroniou
      @stevensofroniou Před 5 měsíci

      @@importantvideos4529 I fully understand your comment and interesting to hear of your experience all I can say is you are a good driver by the sounds of it but at the same time I also understand what the other gentleman is saying “ trying to kill him “ because if you are the type of driver who does push on on a twisty wet road you do exercise absolute control because this car will catch the unwary out either on entry into a turn with pronounced understeer or on exit with pronounced oversteer both as you say is the driver not the car .

  • @pgr3290
    @pgr3290 Před 5 měsíci +7

    Imagine designing a spaceship with warp drive and then deciding to use a propeller to make it fly

  • @OxBlitzkriegxO
    @OxBlitzkriegxO Před 5 měsíci +5

    If that's a preproduction viper, it's making more than 400hp, A LOT more. The first gens were high 12 sec cars, trapping around 112-113mph. Still pretty quick but not 12.2 quick.
    That vector sounded off. Also, that guy wasn't pushing it hard at all. The 3A doesn't hinder it THAT that would negate a 200hp advantage.
    Either that vector wasn't right or he was purposely sandbagging.

    • @TheSmokingDen
      @TheSmokingDen Před 5 měsíci

      Matt gets a 12.2 every time he races a first-generation Viper. Like you said, something is off. A 12.6 on the perfect day, but 12.2? That's what the 96 GTS did, according to Car and Driver. They got 12.8 from a 95 Viper.

    • @varmastiko2908
      @varmastiko2908 Před 5 měsíci

      The Vector is supposed to run low 11s from the factory.

    • @lowbodyfat6707
      @lowbodyfat6707 Před 5 měsíci

      @@TheSmokingDen I owned a 99 gts, and went 11.8 at 117 stock.

  • @netgeek3010
    @netgeek3010 Před 5 měsíci +5

    The issue with the Vector was Gerald Wiegert started to design it in the 1970's. He was an engineer from aerospace industry.
    The biggest problems it was his notion was making it completely US based why it was longitudinal mounted an using a tornado 3 speed automatic.
    He just refused to use anything sourced from Europe. He had big ideas small company budgets.
    All the hoses, interconnects an various parts where machined or from the aerospace industry.
    It's truly amazing Mart got to race one. Great job putting that together. Vector got a new ownership who developed an new platform an got rid of that horrible 3 speed auto an boosted HP to over 700 hp. They ended the idea it needed to be all American.

    • @nowhereman8656
      @nowhereman8656 Před 5 měsíci +2

      Indeed... I've always been "on the fence" about there Vector's history and what it was. I respected Wiegert's insistence on it being all American, but I thought it unnecessary and kind of delusional whenever people get very very 'Merican.
      Before anybody cries that I'm not "patriotic" enough, believe me I think the whole project that started this country was amazing, trying to get away from Imperial rule and the rich getting richer and peasants stying peasants... and I was in the U.S. military, have had family in north America before it was the U.S., so I'm more than patriotic enough LOL....
      However the sheer ingredients of this country ARE from other countries!I get the 'ole tribal mentality that some get for unnecessary reasons, but we're supposed to be thriving because of the mongrel idea of people coming from everywhere, sharing ideas and everything we feel like working on.
      So that's why I think Gerald or "Jerry" could have succeeded long-term with that Vector if he had just been proud enough it was being made in the U.S., with the aircraft parts etc. from here... but since almost everything we work with in this country has materials and resources already bought from outside the country (yes, even in Gerald's time).... he might as well had just made it the best he could, even if it mean having Mercedes or Ferrari or Toyota make a couple parts for him, or if more palatable... the suppliers of those companies also supplying him.
      I get it, he probably just couldn't stand the idea especially after coming up with that dream. I just wish he would have bit the bullet and kept quiet if he was really that proud, and saved money and got the exact parts he needed to make the car truly magical. For me, I don't care if he would have outsourced, I wouldn't care if it was American (many claim their products "American" that are not)... I will always love the story of Lamborghini, the interesting way Porsche approached engineering, the care and reliability put into Toyota, etc. etc. etc... the nationality crap is meaningless to me.
      I just wanted one more really cool car to drool on, and Vector really got my hopes up.

  • @iseptimus
    @iseptimus Před 5 měsíci +3

    The original viper is still awesome.

  • @80GP400
    @80GP400 Před 5 měsíci +17

    That Vector needs Tune-up. Give it to me for a couple Hours, I'll wake it up.

  • @DrBarbequeSauce
    @DrBarbequeSauce Před 5 měsíci +1

    You can watch a Doug Demuro video on the Vector W8 here: czcams.com/video/3WEhsS9ybwk/video.htmlsi=GgrZgqiEpRFJcPML

  • @joshuaschroeder8027
    @joshuaschroeder8027 Před 5 měsíci +2

    Always worth a carwow suggestion !

  • @eazyrider17
    @eazyrider17 Před 5 měsíci +36

    Even with the boost leak I’d take 1 vector w8 over 10 vipers. That car was so wild. The 3 speed auto was fitted to it because it’s literally the same transmission used on monster trucks of the time, and it was the only transmission in the world capable of handling that kind of power back then.

    • @jasonquartermile425
      @jasonquartermile425 Před 5 měsíci +11

      Yeah I would have been curious to see what a boost gauge would have read on the Vector, obviously way down on power.

    • @speedracerjeff
      @speedracerjeff Před 5 měsíci +4

      It’s a POS kit car with a crappy TPI 6.0 engine that doesn’t run efficiently with boost and has terrible handling as well.

    • @speedracerjeff
      @speedracerjeff Před 5 měsíci +3

      And I guess you don’t know anything about drag racing, you’ve never heard of Powerglide transmissions? Pro glide? Some of the fastest drag cars use 2 speed Powerglides that are making well over 600hp… the 3 speed trans isn’t the problem in the W8… and it wasn’t the only trans available in the world that could handle “that kind of power”. There were way more powerful drag cars in the 80s and 90s running all types of transmissions in the world of drag racing. And if you Dyno a W8 you’d be surprised how weak they are and how little power is being transferred to the rear wheels.

    • @eazyrider17
      @eazyrider17 Před 5 měsíci +2

      The Viper’s build quality was far closer to a Kit car than the W8. The W8 is a very misunderstood car. Built more like an airplane than a car. It’s as far from a kit car as you can get. You might be confusing it with the M12 which was not built under Wiegert’s oversight. The M12 was essentially a kit car on a Diablo chassis. Terrible build quality. Not a true vector. The Vector W cars were way ahead of their time, with things like airbags, heads up displays, and active aero in the 1980s.

    • @clintcava1344
      @clintcava1344 Před 5 měsíci +4

      It is not literally the same transmission used in a monster truck. It is a transaxle used in front wheel drive Oldsmobiles and Buicks and it's based off the TH400. If the monster truck used TH400 then yes it would be similar.

  • @ericcarabetta1161
    @ericcarabetta1161 Před 5 měsíci +13

    I see a Viper, I click. ❤❤❤

  • @subetealabicinl923
    @subetealabicinl923 Před 5 měsíci

    ohhhh thank you for taking into account the request I made some time ago, about a race with the Vector w8, thank you very much for putting it on the channel!

  • @Legendary-2024
    @Legendary-2024 Před 5 měsíci +2

    love seeing my childhood cars going at it! the viper rt/10 started my love for the auto world, that and the 79 trans am and 79 vette

  • @kevtheobald
    @kevtheobald Před 5 měsíci +24

    The Vector Aeromotive W8 was very under developed. I know it was in development for ages, but funding was tiny. Probably 1/100th what Chrysler spent developing the Viper. The W8/W2 were developed in a warehouse in Wilmington California over many years. They had some really dedicated workers there, some of which did not get paid for all the hours they put in. Those who have followed the W8/W2 know the many flaws and know many of the performance numbers were hyped up.
    The Viper was trying to be a modern Shelby Cobra, so true speed and performance was a focus. The W8 was more a style exercise. Gerald Wiegert loved jets and rockets, so he tried to bring some of the aerospace into the automotive space. The vector graphics display and jet fight cockpit buttons did not age well, but was very cool at the time. The transmission was a weak point, but you got a cool jet fighter looking shifter, that you had to climb over getting in and out.
    For an exotic or super car, it was much easier to work on than most. Only 17 "production" W8s were made. No two W8s were exactly the same Sadly, they were never able to get the Vector WX3 into limited production, but there are two concept WX3s that were made that still look amazing today.
    Funny to think for a short period of time, Vector and Lamborghini were under the same ownership and the Viper got engine block castings designed by Lamborghini which Chrysler had owned.

    • @RetroKingOG
      @RetroKingOG Před 5 měsíci +1

      If it weren’t for that crappy 3 speed it probably could’ve easily done 0-60 in mid 3 seconds

    • @AutobahnVault
      @AutobahnVault Před 5 měsíci +3

      Team Viper only got $70M to develop their car. Tiny considering how much better it was.

    • @OxBlitzkriegxO
      @OxBlitzkriegxO Před 5 měsíci +2

      Either he wasn't pushing that car or it wasn't right, prolly both. I don't think it would have been that fast but this race was not representative of the car imo.

    • @kevtheobald
      @kevtheobald Před 5 měsíci

      @@AutobahnVault Then I guess the W8 was developed on 1/10 the budget. Still, Viper development team did well considering what they had.

    • @AutobahnVault
      @AutobahnVault Před 5 měsíci +1

      @@kevtheobald Oh yeah. They destroyed the Corvette, not to mention Ferraris, Porsche and all the "Big Boys" in Europe's most famous racing events.

  • @michaelbarfield528
    @michaelbarfield528 Před 5 měsíci +8

    Awesome cars.....the Vector W8 has a "starring role" in the movie "Rising Sun" with Sean Connery and Wesley Snipes.

  • @SCDC-Channel
    @SCDC-Channel Před 5 měsíci +1

    Love the Vector W8 one of the best looking car ever!

  • @ron2280
    @ron2280 Před 5 měsíci +1

    The intake manifold on the Vector reminds me of the old TPI 305/350 Chevy used in the '80's.

    • @76horsepower
      @76horsepower Před 4 měsíci

      That’s because that’s what it is.

  • @leonardr6704
    @leonardr6704 Před 5 měsíci +3

    It's such a shame Vector didn't survive. They were making world-class cars and the design language was amazing. Fun to imagine what they'd look like new today.

  • @dad_jokes_4ever226
    @dad_jokes_4ever226 Před 5 měsíci +8

    The Vector still looks amazing today !

  • @FirstDot
    @FirstDot Před 5 měsíci +2

    Much respect for Petersen Automotive Museum for their effort on bringing us this amazing drag race. Love from Romania

  • @THROTTLEPOWER
    @THROTTLEPOWER Před 5 měsíci +2

    Enjoyed!!! 🏁🏁

  • @ATomRileyA
    @ATomRileyA Před 5 měsíci +3

    Please fix that poor W8 sounds like its making no boost and the waste gates are wide open, it makes 625bhp on low boost its capable of over 1000bhp on its high boost setting, that is not running well at all.
    Back in 91 in testing they got 11sec 1/4 mile out of it when it was not running right.

  • @cafn8ed74
    @cafn8ed74 Před 5 měsíci +4

    Brake boost that $1.5 mf!

  • @makaspla11
    @makaspla11 Před 5 měsíci

    Please more of this! Such a cool concept.

  • @jonathangonzalez9711
    @jonathangonzalez9711 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Vector and Viper RT, two of most spectacular american designs ever!!

  • @chawenhalo0089
    @chawenhalo0089 Před 5 měsíci +4

    Awesome to see a Vector in action! Rare thing.

  • @sdc8547
    @sdc8547 Před 5 měsíci +3

    The Vector is a design classic! Great to see a vid of it. 👍

  • @madmaxd1
    @madmaxd1 Před 5 měsíci +1

    As a young 20 year old, I admired the Vector W8 as it was a total beast and even had a poster in my room of it. The performance that I recall from this machine was epic, unless it was flexing by the manufacturer. Hearing this car accelerate, sounds like a 70 year old man with Pneumonia. Regardless, I would still pick the W8 (if I could).

  • @danielmarshall4587
    @danielmarshall4587 Před 5 měsíci

    Remember reading about the Vector "back in the day"....LOVED IT. This is a smashing vid thanks to all who made this possible.

  • @Marc-Aurele-rf5yd
    @Marc-Aurele-rf5yd Před 5 měsíci +4

    The Vector is absolutely badass 😈

  • @AutobahnVault
    @AutobahnVault Před 5 měsíci +3

    Viper ❤

  • @evilinside5984
    @evilinside5984 Před 5 měsíci

    @PetersenAutomotiveMuseum- Thank you for letting Matt Watson, from Car Wow, drag race, and test these great vehicle's, from your collection.

  • @lazyman2604
    @lazyman2604 Před 5 měsíci

    Coming from @CARWOW
    The collab is amazing and amazing getting to see childhood cars do the real test

  • @RA-uj3nm
    @RA-uj3nm Před 5 měsíci +4

    Always liked the W2 prototype better. 👍👍

    • @varmastiko2908
      @varmastiko2908 Před 5 měsíci

      Man of culture, I see. The W2 was how it was supposed to be. And it should have made production in the early '80s. At that point everything was full of promise. The W8 was too little too late. But an awesome effort none the less.

  • @Jason4422Daddybear
    @Jason4422Daddybear Před 5 měsíci

    This is awesome!!!! I've not seen a Vector W8 since the movie Rising Sun.

  • @jonathanpatton4551
    @jonathanpatton4551 Před 5 měsíci

    Awesome to see the VECTOR!!

  • @lenartd2
    @lenartd2 Před 5 měsíci

    Hi is Matt Watson and this is not Carwow. This is so much better than Doug's presenting of the cars. Thank you to the Petersen Museum for this choice! I love it

  • @billshoe22191
    @billshoe22191 Před 5 měsíci

    Loved seeing Matt on here.

  • @UXXV
    @UXXV Před 5 měsíci

    Gained a sub! Great collab.

  • @TheMeanmarine13
    @TheMeanmarine13 Před 5 měsíci

    just subbed thanks to Matt. Cool channel

  • @johngrant8533
    @johngrant8533 Před 5 měsíci

    The bonnet cam on the vector just sounded like an idling diesel golf 😂

  • @Bigchief-fc4yd
    @Bigchief-fc4yd Před 5 měsíci

    Thank you for giving mat your cars

  • @motorafondo87
    @motorafondo87 Před 5 měsíci +2

    Both cars are amazing but i´m really surprised by the performance of the Viper and how it easily beats the Vector. Nice drag race by the way

  • @kylehudson4165
    @kylehudson4165 Před 5 měsíci +2

    Matt Watson is a blessing from the car gods.

  • @kingkingg7868
    @kingkingg7868 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Viper has forever been, & is still my dream ride ❤

  • @jenBaker707
    @jenBaker707 Před 5 měsíci +1

    If you decide to drag race every car at Peterson I will gladly watch them all. Thank you Peterson

  • @DoritosGoBrap
    @DoritosGoBrap Před 5 měsíci

    Definitely earned a sub here🔥

  • @UPRISING144K
    @UPRISING144K Před 5 měsíci +1

    Disappointing to see the vector not do so good, as I used to drive it in gran Turismo and it was awesome. I’m guessing the dad was never truly finished, but was so close to being a masterpiece. Looks epic

  • @Norton1531
    @Norton1531 Před 5 měsíci +1

    That Vector sounds like my Old Ford Escort did, right before it seized.

  • @WaywardWhiteWalker
    @WaywardWhiteWalker Před 5 měsíci +2

    I want a Vector W8. Seweeeeet

  • @Simply_chase
    @Simply_chase Před 5 měsíci

    My dad had some stake in vector back in the day and got to drive the show car. Very cool to see it

  • @mikebadcossi2583
    @mikebadcossi2583 Před 5 měsíci

    Chris is sooo chilled out...😂..👍👍

  • @astrola4782
    @astrola4782 Před 5 měsíci +1

    I have seen that AutoConcierge branded big rig around Monterey car week before. They always are carrying rare cool stuff. Nothing more rare than a Vector!

  • @FlamesOfThought
    @FlamesOfThought Před měsícem

    The super cars from my childhood - Love em!

  • @MostlyHuman
    @MostlyHuman Před 5 měsíci +1

    Even though the 3-speed transmission is ridiculous, I will always give a Like for Vector W8 content... especially for the wild avionics displays in the dash.

  • @jameshunterford4099
    @jameshunterford4099 Před 5 měsíci

    Matt is living the ****ing dream!

  • @howardmckenna
    @howardmckenna Před 5 měsíci +2

    I see Vector, I watch.
    Interesting pair up, and it shows what kind of road you need to approach the Vector's theoretical top speed!!!

  • @gdirkjan
    @gdirkjan Před 5 měsíci

    Ahhh, the Vector!!! The car of my childhood dreams!!!

  • @wendypayne1425
    @wendypayne1425 Před 5 měsíci

    The Vector was one of my first loves. Glad I got to meet Mr. Wiegert and see his car before he passed. That car is still amazing. RIP.

  • @scorg
    @scorg Před 5 měsíci

    Damn, I remember seeing that Viper on display too at the Petersen much like the GT40 in the carwow video!

  • @giorgio262
    @giorgio262 Před 5 měsíci +2

    Design wise, I would say the Vector has more in common with the Bertone Carabo concept car, designed by Gandini just like the Countach a few years later. By the way, I remember the Vector on the covers of car magazines in the early 80's and always loved it.

    • @JK-js2td
      @JK-js2td Před 5 měsíci

      Or that old Alfa from the 70s!!!😊

  • @corystansbury
    @corystansbury Před 5 měsíci +2

    Matt is quite handy in that Viper (across multiple videos now).

  • @MidwestMotor
    @MidwestMotor Před 5 měsíci

    I love watching Mat and Yianni on CarWow!!!!! 🏁🏁🏁🏁🏁🏁🏁🏁🏁🏁🏁🏁

  • @heyzooz
    @heyzooz Před 5 měsíci

    Excellent.

  • @zarodkiewicz
    @zarodkiewicz Před 5 měsíci +2

    What a way to spend winter Matt. Don't settle down. European Eco friendly monsters are waiting 😂

  • @77kenneth
    @77kenneth Před 5 měsíci +1

    Basically a carwow video on the Peterson channel it’s still amazing though

  • @user-hn2zk7tr1s
    @user-hn2zk7tr1s Před 5 měsíci

    Love the clasics

  • @Jasen2121
    @Jasen2121 Před 5 měsíci

    Wiegert Vector W8 is such a unique design. I love it! I remember using the W8 all the time on Gran Turismo 2.

  • @rorsky
    @rorsky Před 5 měsíci

    Casual side hustling from matt😂

  • @stluge
    @stluge Před 5 měsíci +1

    The Vector still looks amazing!! Childhood dream car.

  • @dougsrosen
    @dougsrosen Před 5 měsíci

    That vector is so rad.

  • @jordenb9469
    @jordenb9469 Před 5 měsíci +1

    I will lay money the turbo boost dial was set at the lowest setting to preserve the motor since it's so exspensive and rare.

  • @NiteRider165
    @NiteRider165 Před 5 měsíci

    My childhood friend's dad was the owner of Vector, got to see the prototypes and everything at the factory

  • @connoisseuroftigolbitts
    @connoisseuroftigolbitts Před 5 měsíci +1

    Petersen museum is the coolest places.. probably the only museum that races their cars

  • @fabioalexanderAlvarez
    @fabioalexanderAlvarez Před 4 měsíci

    Muy buen video, espero la versión en español

  • @coach4050
    @coach4050 Před 5 měsíci +2

    I never expected to see this car do a drag race nice actually

    • @joevarga5982
      @joevarga5982 Před 5 měsíci

      That's because the owners didn't want the truth to get out.

    • @coach4050
      @coach4050 Před 5 měsíci

      @@joevarga5982 of course but it's nice to see this car doing a drag race, i was impressed by the Viper performance against the f40 and i'm still impressed by this as well.

    • @joevarga5982
      @joevarga5982 Před 5 měsíci

      @@coach4050 I'm not, since it was promoted as the Wold's fastest car with a claimed hp figure of 625+ and claimed top speed in excess of 200 mph.

    • @coach4050
      @coach4050 Před 5 měsíci

      @@joevarga5982 you are not wrong actually, but for a 1990 car do 13.7 secs in 1/4 without any cluch issues or any problem over all isn't bad, but other than this your are absolutley right, f40 and 959 were better cars overall, and in this case take the top speed as the main performance figure this car isn't a performative tool in acceleration times, specially with a gearbox of 3 gears.

    • @joevarga5982
      @joevarga5982 Před 5 měsíci

      @@coach4050 So, you're impressed that it did a single run without breaking? 🤣
      Clearly, it doesn't take much to impress you!
      Jerry Wiegert used to say that when you have power you don't need a lot of gears. He was such a bullshitter.

  • @alancrisp1582
    @alancrisp1582 Před 5 měsíci +1

    😂👍 Great stuff !. I can smell the petrol ⛽ fumes from here..More please.