Why were frogs in the Arctic?
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- čas přidán 11. 05. 2024
- Abigail Thorn, Jordan Harrod and Annie Rauwerda face a question about Arctic amphibians.
LATERAL is a weekly podcast about interesting questions and even more interesting answers, hosted by Tom Scott. For business enquiries, contestant appearances or question submissions, visit www.lateralcast.com
GUESTS:
Abigail Thorn: @PhilosophyTube, / philosophytube
Jordan Harrod: @JordanHarrod, / jordanbharrod
Annie Rauwerda: / depthsofwiki
HOST: Tom Scott.
QUESTION PRODUCER: David Bodycombe.
RECORDED AT: The Podcast Studios, Dublin.
EDITED BY: Julie Hassett.
GRAPHICS: Chris Hanel at Support Class. Assistant: Dillon Pentz.
MUSIC: Karl-Ola Kjellholm ('Private Detective'/'Agrumes', courtesy of epidemicsound.com).
FORMAT: Pad 26 Limited/Labyrinth Games Ltd.
EXECUTIVE PRODUCERS: David Bodycombe and Tom Scott.
© Pad 26 Limited (www.pad26.com) / Labyrinth Games Ltd. 2024. - Zábava
The sudden whiplash of the switch from Moby-Duck to _detached human feet_ really is something
But it was all worth it for the pun
I thought she was going to talk about the Garfield Phones and then that happened!
@@grmpf I thought she was going to mention the place in Cornwall where lego has being washing up on every tide for about 2 decades now, due to a shipping container full of the stuff falling off a ship near to the coast.
Caused your sense of mood to be de feet ed?
I was going to go with "The Hunt for Red Quacktober" but they were yellow.
If you brought frogs to the North Pole they would croak.
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'Naughty step - now!' : )
No, they would stop croaking!
@@allanrichardson1468 They would stop croaking because they already croaked. 😉
@@allanrichardson1468 Congrats, you made it worse.
I enjoyed the contrast between the Tech Diff guys casually referencing Twister ("that's a really blowy one, it'll have a cow in it") and Tom having to ask a bunch of younger people if they've seen it
"A really grizzly Cinderella" is a perfect closing line
Ironically, the original Cinderella is already pretty grisly!
@@tom.parryjones I was thinking that, isn't part of the plot literally about chopping off (bits of) feet?
@@hannahk1306 Yeah, the step-sisters cut parts of their feet off so it would fit in the glass slipper.
5:37 I think the French novelty Garfield phones is my favourite story about things being lost at sea and turning up on shore
I was so sure that was what she was going to say and then DETACHED HUMAN FEET
mine is the life size lego man who turned up on a british beach and then disappeared.
that's definitely what I thought she was going to say too!
In 2013, I participated in an adjacent study. I put a note in a glass bottle with a wax cap and threw it in the Davis Strait between Nunavut and Greenland - and was contacted by a Swiss family that had gone kayaking in Ireland and found the bottle some 16 months later. We were interviewed by a morning radio show in Dublin, and it was a wonderful experience!
I should have done that last week when I was in both Nunavut and Greenland!
At 5:07 I was expecting "20,000 Bath-toys Under the Sea" or something
Yeah I had 20,000 Beaks Under The Sea as my best pun guess
I'm more proud of instantly getting "Moby Duck" than guessing any of the previous questions on this channel.
When Tom lists off the toys I can't help but hear a strange version of Lucky Charms: "Yellow ducks, red beavers, blue turtles, and green frogs! They're always after me Friendly Floaties!"
As far as the feet thing goes -- basically this is an area that's heavily traveled (both by boats and shoreline hiking) but has limited outlets to the open sea. Sometimes people drown in any area like that, and when that happens, well, modern shoes often have foam in them and are quite floaty, so as decomposition happens, eventually the floaty bits sort of break off at the nearest joint and go riding the current until they wash up somewhere.
I've subscribed to the theory that they may belong to people completing s-cide off of bridges upcurrent... Shoes, being a rather more solid material and a tight fit, protect the feet from predation. As the weaker joints deteriorate and detach, the low-density materials in said shoes cause them to gain some buoyancy and be swept away only to come to rest on the Salish shoreline.
There were atleast three bugs in Antarctica. VW gave them to the Australian Antarctic corps (or whatever they were called) back in the 1960s, didn't even have to modify them that much. And the Australians were quite happy with them.
Oh, and I think I got the answer to that question from Death in Paradise.
I knew of the those ducks, but the beavers, turtles, and frogs threw me off the track
The Salish Sea feet are usually found in sneakers/trainers/tennis shoes, which has been attributed to helping them stay preserved, helping them stay buoyant, and preventing them being eaten by oceanic predators. The rest of the bodies the feet were at one point attached to wouldn't have had the same level of protection, and so would be more likely to sink or be eaten (or both).
Moby duck? That's quackers!
i love the genuine enthusiasm and sparks in the eyes when Annie gets to tell the macabre story about feet of dead people getting washed on the shore 😂
I remember this! I seem to recall there was a campaign in some public schools to get people to go out and find them and turn them in. Except they only talked about the ducks. I don't think I ever heard mention of frogs, beavers, or turtles.
yeah, I was familiar with the rubber duck phenomenon but had never heard of the other animals!
I recall reading a science fiction story once, it may have been by H.G. Wells or Jules Verne or somebody like that: Somebody travels to the bottom of the ocean and finds a civilization there. They have this strange perception of what must be above them because every once in a while it “rains” metal objects accompanied by dead people. They’ve never seen a live human before and seemed to think that all humans are dead. That’s about all I remember though.
I don't know what story that is, but it definitely sounds far more Jules Verne-esque than H. G. Wells.
"In the Abyss" by H.G. Wells. www.telelib.com/authors/W/WellsHerbertGeorge/prose/plattnerstory/abyss.html
@@lateralcast Welp, this is what I get for judging authors by their covers 😅
I didn't know of this story. Thanks for sharing.
@@lateralcast Wow. That story is awesome. Thank you !
In the North Pole you can find anything if it's on your Christmas wish list.
This is Almost becoming my most favourite Show after Citation Needed.
"Moby Duck"... I would have said 20,000 Beaks under the Sea
The detatched human feet thing was bodyies kept ending up in the place she mentioned, before then the crabs in the area would eat through the bodies, but when a shoe company, i can't remember remember who of the top of my head started making a specific type of shoe, then when the crabs ate their ankles the feet would float to the surface and wash up on shoar
Not strictly crabs, and not a specific type of shoe. Any shoe protects from the elements better than the average pant leg, so the flesh leg falls apart while the encased foot is still protected and held together.
"Are they real?" should be a question in every episode...
Please let this show go on forever.
Abigail Thorn
This happened with Lego containers as well. Off of lands end.
Tom has a video about that on his main channel.
Sneakers protect the feet, so when they detach from the body they are more likely to make it to shore.
"Coke can things" Pepsi not getting the value they thought they would out of that product placement.
In the ocean you can find pretty much anything... Except fishes soon.
A friend of mine found one of those feet while they were at band camp. It was, and a lot of the feet were, in a hiking shoe, which is notable because the shoe holds the foot together even though the ankle had rotted away, and it floated to carry the foot to shore. So it's possible that the feet originally belonged to hikers who got lost and drowned accidentally rather than anything sinister.
That's a very different sort of "this one time at band camp" story...
That "moby duck" sounds like it was straight up came out of a Citation Needed ending prize
It's also a song by the Longest Johns.
I knew the answer. In fact, this exact incident is intorduced in a Chinese Language textbook for primary students in Hong Kong.
My favourite story about stuff turning up on the shore is the Garfield phones.
My initial guess is that those all originated from an area far from the Artic and were frozen in ice, showing that the ice drifted all the way there
This incident was the inspiration for Eric Carle's "10 Little Rubber Ducks"
Never duck the question !
What sound does that make would have been a great set up for our favourite Gary Brannan.
Upon hearing the list of animals, I thought "man, that sounds a lot like Madagascar" - and given what happens during that movie, I guess it was closer than I thought!
In Alaska, in the 80s, we used to get mail by shipping container. Occasionally your mail would just not arrive, and the USPS would carefully dodge any comment of containers just being swept away with big waves.
I love lateral, is a very clever and friendly emission, but this one had something troubling. Tom said
Rhis is artic not antartic, so is up top 1:32. I come from Argentina, the southest country in the globe, and it is kind of demeaning to imply that we are "way down". South is not down, north is not up. It is demeaning. I understand the way maps are constructed in the northern hemisphere, and how hanging them give the idea of up and down, but if you could not say that north is up top, which implies that south is all down, it would be nice. I will keep watching no matter what, awesome emission, i love it.
A similar thing like this happened off the coast of Cornwall, UK. A container full of Lego went overboard and millions of Lego bricks ended up being washed up on the coastline around Cornwall.
one heckuva footloose
Yay. I knew one!
"How many feet washed up on shore?" me: An even number?
Not sure how serious, but I find the subject fascinating, so here's a light infodump! Considering most of the feet have been determined to have naturally detached after a lengthy submersion, they often become subject to the currents at different times, and so don't often come in pairs. They've reportedly only ever found 2 sets of matching feet - one pair in the same place around the same time, and one pair directly across the strait from each other several months apart. Remarkably, a number of the remains HAVE been identified! ETA: There was another existing set which I missed as having also been paired and identified, both in the same area. Apparently there is ALSO one other set of paired shoes, but one of the entries is missing from the Wikipedia article, also found near each other.
The feet are definitely just detached from people lost at sea. The same thing has been in the news somewhat recently about seals or something. People just finding seal heads littering beaches. They reckon they just drown naturally (dwindling sea ice and all that) and then getting tossed around at sea pops it off. Disturbing, but it at least means there's not a seal / human foot serial killer about.
The foot thing was an episode of Bones, down to it being on the US/Canada border.
I was definitely going with the Lego container!
The question of the feet suggests a serial killer, though that's far from the only explanation of the coincidence.
Serial killer was an early guess. As I understand, a leg wrapped in pants doesn't hold up to ocean elements very well, and falls apart. The foot at the end of that leg, tightly wrapped in layers of foam, leather, and rubber, holds up much better, and tends to float. So the detached foot in a shoe ends up on shore while the leg and rest of the body is lost at sea.
I never knew there was anything other than ducks in that shipment which is why I couldn't work out the answer
The feet thing is mostly solved as far as I heard...
It's like all the Garfield telephones spread along the Brittany coast or tons of lego at some places
It's my second question on the show ! #BraggingRights
Sounds like the Garfield phones that wash up in France.
Some of my household goods were lost in shipping from England to the US.
Hey Annie, the reason why the disembodied feet show up is that they don't typically decomposed in the cement shoes, but the cement that had been typically used back in those days tends to disintegrate after about a year and fully almost dissolves after around two to three decades. Not that I have experience with this other than forensic pathology.
Wasn't there a Half as Interesting video about this a few years ago?
Shipping containers are designed to sink if the go into the water because they become a navigation hazard otherwise.
Not gonna lie, I got this partly because of the episode of Death in Paradise where the ducks were mentioned 😅
What do you mean "maybe they used to be part of full bodies"? What's the alternative?
Gotta say, the foot fact was more interesting
1:01 - "I've never been to Anarctica, but I do not believe there are frogs hopping around up there"
Oh honey. Also, I'll never understand why Antarctica gets that first T forgotten so much.
I heard storms picking up frogs but beavers? And 29000 😮
I'm glad something positive came out of this spill rather than just environmental damage! That's not the usual outcome unfortunately.
Cinderella (the original story) is grisly enough. You don't need detached feet to make it grisly.
Rubber Duckie is my first guess.
Hearing that last part of the video makes me feel defeeted.
A "conglobulation is what you get when you put a large number of frogs in a blander and press start.
Were the ducks mallards?
There was an accident at Santa's Workshop
4:56 Fun fact: There are more airplanes in the ocean than submarines in the sky.
moral of the story, we need to put more plastic in the ocean :D
Those feet are probably coming from the USA.
Because everybody else is metric.
Mass murderer vibes