How do you cut crime with fish hooks?
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- čas přidán 26. 08. 2023
- Scott Manley, Anna Ploszajski and Bill Sunderland face a question about a fashionable way to defeat felons.
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HOST: Tom Scott.
QUESTION PRODUCER: David Bodycombe.
RECORDED AT: The Podcast Studios, Dublin.
EDITED BY: Julie Hassett.
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As someone very much under 30, I can confirm we all know Yogi Bear, but not many of us know Yogi Berra
Especially with the film coming out in 2014
Caught Tom's pronunciation of "pick-a-nic" basket as well. 😂😂😂
I got it
Thanks for explaining that
Damn, beat me to it
Tom doesn't thinks this wasn't a good idea because the punishment doesn't fit the crime, whereas I think it's a bad idea because you don't want an angery potentially violent teen chained to you
It’s not really a punishment, though, is it? I mean, if I lay a bunch of spikes in front of my front door, and someone breaks into my flat and steps on them, getting seriously injured, that’s obviously their fault, not mine. They had no right to be in my home. It’s not as much a punishment as it is just putting stuff inside your own property. Similarly, your pockets are your property.
@@immortalsun Are you really arguing that setting a trap for people who may violate your property isn't punishing them for violating your property? By the way, in most US jurisdictions, if you set a booby trap and someone it hurt by them -- even if they were committing a crime when it happened -- you are liable for damages or possibly even guilty of crimes. Because that *is* considered disproportionately cruel.
@@KBRollerIt's not about disproportionate cruelty, it's because the trap is indiscriminate. You're not allowed to just leave a hazard lying around because it might hurt innocent people. Even if the trap never goes off, just setting it in the first place is a crime.
@@Nshadowtail It's about both, and another thing: proximity. It's also because a booby trap is remote, and (especially in the case of deadly traps) the intruder isn't threatening the setter of the trap. If you're in the house and you pick up a shotgun to shoot them, that's legal because you can generally defend yourself in your own home. The booby trap is always illegal, for various reasons, all of them valid.
The quick wit of Bill to spin an entire story line before Scott can shoot it down is just wonderful!
I find it absolutely maddening. He has no idea how to let the room breath. The constant attempts seem desperate.
Actually watching it, I felt like I should avoid doing too much of the same kind of humour. It's a bit derailing for everyone else trying to follow the main thread.
I continue to be amazed by Tom’s inability to grasp whether or not some piece of knowledge would be known by whatever demographic of the general public (typically young people)
That, I feel, is something that happens to everyone at some point, and it gets worse as you get older!
There was a Yogi Bear movie in 2010, that's got to count for something...
Tbf that's a really tough thing to guess
@@TheTrueBusterIt was only a couple years ago that I learned that (a) most teenagers don't know the first thing about connecting up a SNES or earlier console, and (b) most teenagers who are into hip-hop/rap think Eminem is too old, should retire, and should be replaced by people like MGK. Also, apparently, a *lot* of teenagers think any punk-adjacent music is Green Day.
All those things make me so sad. Apparently, age 30 is when you're officially "too old to continue in society" 😂
Yogi Bear. "he was the basellball player with all the Aphorisms"😂
Hah. 1 minute ago. But yes, worry about the reference to an old cartoon, but referencing an even older baseball player.
It's not that old a reference there was a yogi bear film a few years back with seth rogen
Lol, I really couldn't Berra that joke!
@@andrewrollout1657 goddammit bill is that you?
As a 20 year old, I remember using a "spy watch" to record Yogi Bear episodes.
I kept that watch for years and watched those episodes on that little watch until the screen slowly died out.
In the 70s when CB radios were common in cars they would get stolen. There was a anti theft strategy that involved gluing fish hooks to the back side of the radio so when they reached under the dash to grab it theyd get hooked. Happened to my dads friend. He got in his car to find blood everywhere and bits of skin hanging from the hooks but his radio was still in the car.
Ugh, cleaning that sounds like it would have been really annoying.
I’ve heard a story about this too, but with razor blades. Yikes…
My family has a similar but different technique for radio theft: When I was little we got our radios stolen a couple times and every single time my mom would somehow track down the people that did it and get the radios back. So I hope that tip helps!
the skin in your dad's friend's car belongs to one of the writers on the Saw franchise, im sure of it
My friend rigged up a panel (he saw the design on TV) that was a mess of wires that looked like the radio was already stolen. Hasn't had a the radio stolen since then.
My first guess was anti-pick-pocketing, and it was so painful seeing how long it took for any of you to even entertain that as a possibility
Ditto!!
(edit) to be completely honest, I was thinking her purse or pockets.
My thoughts went immediately "decoy purse", but as time passed and they didn't get it I started to worry about how much people in my third world country think about this stuff. These guys are so lucky they don't seriously think about getting mugged at least once a week...
@@NanoMan737400maybe california is a third world country but i & many people keep a lock on their bags when we take the subway in LA
This was so much fun! The disgust and horror in Tom’s eyes many times during this question. Yes, thing took a dark turn :p
I am just as disgusted and horrified as he was 😰
Yikes!!! Fish hooks are the stuff of nightmares. I saw this kid accidentally stick himself with one just underneath the nail of his forefinger and knowing what it would take to remove it practically scarred me for life.
To answer the question in the title, with good aim and a strong throw
Loved Toms pronunciation of pic-a-nic basket.
Just like Yogi!
I love how Bill's mind works and his ability to leave Tom wrongfooted by extra "facts" he's just imagined off the cuff. Also, the voices/roleplay.
Now I want to see Bill guest star on "Two of These People are Lying"
3:25 Tom, I'll have you know I'm 25 and got that one. Don't sell your references/jokes short.
As someone who is 25 as well, I have never heard of that character. I'll guess it is very British then.
nah its a Hanna Barbara cartoon, like the Flintstones and Scooby-doo@@peperoni_pepino
Nope, an American cartoon. @@peperoni_pepino
@@peperoni_pepino Whilst it was a US-made cartoon, Yogi was regularly broadcast in the UK under various names and iterations over the years, beginning as part of the Huckelberry Hound Show and breaking out into his own cartoons after the first couple of years. The cartoons were broadcast by at least some of the ITV franchises between 1959 and 1965, and then by the BBC every year between 1971 and 2000. Yogi Bear certainly would have been perceived as an essential part of British children's television from the 70's-90's, along with the likes of Popeye and Scooby Doo.
@@peperoni_pepino I'm Brazilian, so I guess not.
Love the shout out to Corridor Crew! Tom Scott is my number one favorite CZcamsr, Corridor Crew is in the top 5.
My first thought on hearing the question was "Oh, she was dressing up as a fish hook themed vigilante and beating them up old superhero comics style"
Not sure what that says about me.
"I support Mrs. Cooper" - that needs to be a t-shirt
I can't believe they didn't guess this one immediately. It came to my mind right away
Glad to see Bill Sunderland got Tom Scott on his podcast again
Bill who?
😋
I’m so glad the sentiment is shared by others
Disagree. It's painful to watch him trying to be funny but failing miserably all the time.
I think he's pretty funny-though comedy is subjective
I'm with "Good on you Mrs Cooper." Everybody thinks pickpocketing is petty until they lose their last fiver and have to walk home in the rain rather than catching a bus.
so petty theft justifies bodily injury? and in a pretty gruesome way?
im pretty sure the damage those fishhooks cause is significantly more expensive to fix (if it even heals properly) than whatever would have been stolen
thats the "chop their hands off" line of thinking... i had hoped we are beyond that...
‘She’s got all that tuberculosis medication and the thieves keep trying to steal it. Do you want the thieves to succeed Tom?
It’s still petty crime. The fact you’ve to walk home in the rain doesnt suddenly equate it to murder. The pettiness is over the amount the person is stealing, not the fact that you report it
losing money sucks. Losing your passport and credit card abroad is serious business. And losing your phone can leave your without your map, translation device, comms and sooo much more. And if the thief is smart enough to start stealing your identity, you are well, truely and permanently fuuuuuu....
@@SharienGaming It's generally not going to cause much damage. Though that is dependant upon the size of the hooks. Since they were in her pockets, I assume they would be relatively small. Either way, yes. I do think it's justified.
I feel like everybody knows Yogi Bear. I don't feel like everyone understands Yogi Bear. Like, I would watch it...Particularly as a little kid, because ooo, flashing colors, and not only do I not yet understand the concept of the remote control, none of our TVs had them at that time. But I'm not sure if I've ever understood why it was supposed to be...funny...or...entertaining. Like, sure, Hannah Barbara was low-budget. But, many decades earlier, Warner Brothers were making cartoons that were hilarious. And although the Disney shorts usually didn't quite compare to WB comedy, every one of them was beautifully created and unquestionably fun to watch. Furthermore, decades earlier Disney already had the recurring character of Humphrey the Bear. And he was HILARIOUS. I think Humphrey worked where Yogi didn't was that the former character was a pantomime character. He'd make the occasional wordless vocalization, but beyond that, all of his motivations were expressed brilliantly simply through visual artistic talent. At best, I can maybe say that Yogi Bear got by on lazily written jokes and puns, held up by a cheap unenthusiastic canned laugh track. And somehow, it's a lasting part of popular culture; probably much more recognizable than Humphrey.
This video got me hooked
Great Scotts!
Syndication really means "too young to get the reference" is somewhat rare. Media just doesn't go *poof* when a generation grows up. Though, I wonder if streaming might do that... Grownups fondly remembering a series from 2010, that hasn't been available anywhere in 30 years, because profits...
The Yogi Bear references made me feel seen, but then I'm almost 60.
Thank you.
Never expected a Corridor Crew reference from Tom lmao
This was such a good episode
The highlight of this is discovering Tom's a fan of Corridor Crew !
Well
He visited them.
He was on a podcast Corridor Cast EP6
@@Systox25 oooh, I'll have to go and look that up! thanks!
He’s had Wren on this show.
keep it up !
I’m 5 minutes in and no one has mentioned pick pockets. My first thought was like fish hooks sewn in a pocket or purse, but I don’t know what the canvas would be for. It is driving me nuts that no one has even come close to guessing pick-pocketing. I’m probably totally wrong but it still hurts that they seem to be so far off.
Caught red handed ;)
I was thinking her purse, so kinda close, but pockets is something else lol
I'm absolutely gobsmacked that they didn't get this one sooner :O
I love Bills energy lmaoo
I love when CZcamsrs mention other CZcamsrs they are watching that I also watch. Somehow builds a nice triangle of interests.
Also: The Halloween trap idea in a less gruesome version is essentially what Mark Rober did this year (but I'm 99% certain that Tom watched that as well, it would his kind of content)
Bein entirely unaware of the art world i heard "priceless reubens" and my brain conjured up an idea of a trap baited with a rly nice lookin reuben sandwich xD
Scott Manley on lateral??? I'm happy
That was my first thought, when the question was read.
I was first thinking of floating canvas a la spongebob style
well that was surprisingly gruesome. lol
Home Alone is just Die Hard but with a kid.
Whoa, this one was DARK.
It took a surprisingly long time to get to the pickpocket prevention thing
Trying to search for the case, I found someone else with the same idea... whose first victim was herself (ouch!)
newspapers.library.wales/view/3280436/3280440/96
Tom and I groaned at the same time
below 30 here and the Yogi bear bit I did actually get
Hurrrah. A mention.
Tom, there is a newer series called Jelly Stone that has Yogi Bear and a lot of the ithe anthropromorphic Hanna-Barbara characters in it.
Anna looks so annoyed with Bill the whole time and I cannot blame her at all
Never change, Bill. To hell with the naysayers! I think you're a hoot!
without his character work, there would be nothing for the other guests to riff on and it would be a very boring show
I've heard another thing with fish hooks, so I could not get that out of my mind...
Somebody took s wooden board (probably about 20×20 cm), stuck sone fish hooks to it (not the whole thing, just the straight part with the pointy end), put it on their car seat and covered with a canvas matching the seat..
Pretty good anti theft device
the description synopsis is a bit off 😁
I figured it out almost immediately …. I don’t know what that says about me
20 y.o. I understood the Yogi Bear jokes
Bill's Yogi Berra joke made me snort. Never change, Bill!
I don't think being tied to a criminal and causing him pain is a good idea.
Extreme steps for petty crimes
Bill makes a very good Alan/Gary
What's the source on this question? The only thing I can find is a Welsh newspaper regarding a Mrs Samuel Wilson? I can't even find any spurious sources connecting this to Peter Cooper's wife.
“Tales of a Long Life” by Edward R. Hewitt (1943), written by her grandson.
@@lateralcast thanks
Is that the origin of the term “caught red-handed”?
My guess was wrong, I thought she had a problem with people stealing her laundry when it was out to dry so she'd make fake clothes booby trapped with fishing hook that the thief could put on but not remove.
I first thought of shoplifting and then porch pirates.
Before I reach the answer: this sounds like the predecessor to Velcro, but oversized and potentially VERY painful!
Edit: OMG!
I opened CZcams to watch a video to cheer myself up... Half way through the video I guessed (correctly) the answer, then had to watch the gruesome tale unfold (I'm not one for gore!)... I think I'll have to go and watch some kitten videos now.
Anna secretly be like "blind people can't be repeat offenders."
Watching this after Mark Rober did a trap for Halloween...
Wasn’t there a live-action Yogi Bear movie in the early 2010s? Justin Timberlake voiced one of the bears
Are there any sources for this
I think I provided a source as a reply to one of the older comments, if you scroll down. -- David
I know yogi bear!!! and I am a youth!!
Where was that "Trespassing is not a crime in England"-statement going?
It's not a 'criminal' offence.
Other than vandalism.
Proceeds to keep guessing vandalism.
TBH, I thought the response was restrained given the circumstances.
Mrs Wilson, not Mrs Cooper. She caught a young lad Cooper. Wales 1898
This story relates to Mrs Peter Cooper. Source: “Tales of a Long Life”, Edward R. Hewitt (1943), pages 47-48.
What's yogi bear
It's hardly specific to "Mrs Cooper".
I was thinking it might have been hidden in a fruit tree to prevent passers by picking her fruit.
I guess I'm just mean, because as soon as he said petty crime an fish hooks I went to pickpockets and the old downward nail in hole with something shiny at the bottom method of trapping raccoons
As a kid watching Yogi Bear I didn’t understand at all his weird 3-syllable pronunciation of the word picnic, but Tom just said it with the same 3-syllable _pick-ah-nick_ pronunciation. Was Tom deliberately imitating Yogi Bear, or do Brits add an extra syllable to picnic? (Perhaps to make up for all the syllables they drop from other words, for example Worcestershire)
He was imitating Yogi Bear :P
No, the character was Hanna-Barbera, very much American. Tom was just imitating Yogi Bear.
He was imitating Yogi
It was just a Yogi Bear joke.
@@ikarikid good, I’m relieved to know that. Tom isn’t as divergent as, for example, some of the Technical Difficulties crew, but his accent does diverge from what I’m used to, so it can be hard for me to tell the difference between a joke pronunciation and a legitimate accent difference.
Bill "I support Women's wrongs" Sunderland
If we're talking Tom Petty and fish hooks, surely that's The End of the Line
Was this story made up? I can't find anything about it on google whatsoever.
The source is “Tales of a Long Life”, Edward R. Hewitt (1943), pages 47-48. The book is written by her grandson, IIRC.
I'm either surprised they didn't all instantly get that, or I'm assuming they did all instantly get it and then stretched it out for the sake of the content.
i only know about yogi bear because of americans on the internet who keep bringing up the topic
There really is a british reboot of Home Alone. It's just the most recent one where the Kevin type character and half of his family is british. The kid is also extremely brutal to these people that are just trying to get back something they think the kid stole from them that could save their family from economic ruin. It's truly horrific and hard to watch.
Picinick?
A reference to Yogi Bear, the title character in a Hanna-Barbera animated cartoon series of the early 1960s. He was constantly on the prowl for tourists' "pic-a-nic" baskets in Jellystone Park.
That would be illegal to do in the United States. You cannot intentionally harm someone, even if they are committing a crime.
In that case, she obviously wouldn't be carrying the hooks around to intentionally harm anyone. She just happened to have some in her pockets.
That's simply not true.
You could argue this isn't intentionally harming someone.
But other than that, certain US states (at least texas), it is legal to nonlethally harm someone in the defence of your property, and lethally harm someone in self defence. There's almost certainly more nuance than that, but that implies that at least some of the time, you can intentionally harm someone when they are committing a crime.
@@Programmdude Sorry, but it is true. Just like you cant booby trap your home, you cant lay traps. What if, a toddler was near her and doing what toddlers do and reach into things? All of this has been litigated before all over the US and, as I said, is illegal.
This is not true. The laws vary, but generally as long as the harm is proportional to the crime, it is just. We inherited those laws from UK common law.
@@adamsfusion you keep saying it's not true. But just because you want that to be the case, it isn't. Do some actual research. And dont reply and say you did and I am wrong, because I will come back with actual court cases proving I am right. But why should I do the work, when you can do it on your own?
Doesn't sound disproportionate to me at all. Fish hooks are the kind of thing the Jackass guys would stick through their cheeks for a stunt. Painful, but not actually that dangerous. It's almost the perfect deterrent, if it weren't for the fact you'd then have a thief stuck to you.
Yogi bear is not recognized by gen z and gen alpha Mr tom
God bill is so funny man 😂
Ooh let me guess, she owned a small shop and kept getting her food robbed so she gave the poor people that stole some fishing gear so they could feed themselves instead of stealing lol
ah not... not quite hah
Hey BooBoo
Petty Crime!!! Repeat victim!!
Who didn't start screaming "purse snatching" or "pickpocketing" thirty seconds after the question was completed?
BTW. Mrs. Cooper would be in considerably more trouble than the pickpocket. She would be guilty of aggravated assault and/or battery, or whatever those crimes are called in the UK.
okay
I like Tom but he's such a namby pamby when it comes to injuring criminals. They fully deserve the fish hook treatment, it's 100% on them for trying to steal in the first place.
because severe injury is a justified response to theft of property?
sounds like someone wants to go back to amputating hands again...
Bill Sunderland isn’t the funniest panelist is he?
The darker the better
Bill needs to chill
Honestly. I know it's not a serious game show but it's like he doesn't even try to help solve the questions, just tries to crack jokes constantly. And with limited success
I agree, I'm not a fan. Sorry Bill I'm sure you're a lovely guy but the schtick is getting old. More guests Tom!@@Tumleren
This Bill Sunderland guy is painfully unfunny. He needs to tone it down.
Bill Sunderland is once again trying to be funny without actually being funny. Stale and predictable jokes.
The guy with the hat?
I had this figured out in about 15 seconds. I honestly don't know if this was an intentional padding of the episode, the answer was so obvious.
Sometimes just because something is obvious to you doesn’t mean it’s obvious to everyone. There are episodes where I got the answer right away, but on this one I didn’t get it before the answer was revealed.
Me too
Adult D&D players get stuck for hours on puzzles for children because they overthink it.
I thought the hooks were for hanging something.
I hadn't worked out the fake pocket, but figured it was some sort of anti-pickpocket measure as soon as the question was asked.
@@myladycasagrande863 - Yeah... Woman, canvas, fish hooks, stop crime, crowded city. It just seemed incredibly obvious.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_%22Fish_Hook%22_Mulford