Jordan Peterson: Divorce
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This video comes from: "2017 Maps of Meaning 12: Final: The D.. of the Individual"
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I certainly listened to the lecture, but I was on the edge of my seat the whole time waiting for him to finally take a drink of that pop.
AntonDoesMusic. When he opens it mid-sentence, that's the sound of logos establishing habitable order. 😀
I know you’re midwestern because you called it pop
Jared Schmidt or Canadian, eh?
2:54
Is it diet coke or diet pepsi?
He takes a sip at 2:55
RIP People with Misophonia
I woulda thought for sure this got more laughs 😂
You can tell that he speaks mostly from experience and it's refreshing.
Brilliant analysis. What Dr. Peterson says is only obvious once he’s pointed it out.
Divorce court and cancer and equals in seriousness. He hit the nail on the head. Mic drop 🎤
The last part of this video...just wow.
I’ve NEVER been through anything more difficult than considering divorcing somebody I love more than anything.. I just don’t know how to move forward at this point.
It gets way better with time, I know it's hard to fathom but from a been through that perspective, it does. I know how it feels to feel like you'll never recover.
You learn so much and come out the other side a much better more evolved person.
Divorce is a horrible thing to go through, I never wish it on anyone…
@@madisonandthespirits Same here! But in the end, IF its the wrong person.. I don't see any other possibility.
*Speaking for myself. I agree it's hard and horrible.
I hear you. Me too. Stay strong. ✊
From divorce courts to king of the monsters, good. This is good teaching. Brilliant teaching.
I needed to hear this. Thx Jordan
JP basically just explained how to handle every single trial and tribulation in a marriage & how to go about doing it. Controlling, abusing, or trying to domineer your partner is not always the go to solution to confrontate your problems with your spouse.
Analyze said situation, dig out the root or channel that the issue is deriving itself from, and identify what form of articulate diplomacy will prevent the problem from unveiling itself in the near future of oncoming chaos. Genius...
Wow sound good
All the while! Adding elements from the oldest written story on the planet, the enuma elis. The Sumerian creation story. I can’t even wrap my head around that level of grasp.
Or just perform cunninglingus on her then it will be all good
"they'll end up fat and ugly" *opens up a soft-drink can*
Yeh Jordan Peterson is a hipocrip
Lol just so u drink a soft drink once doesn't make u fat if u did not know it yet.
Might be sparkling water
Thank you sir.
One of the best JP videos I've ever seen.
Wow. On point! Love him .
Thank you.
I’ve done a great deal of work on myself over the years and felt I really came a long way being more confident and assertive both internally and externally, until I was out walking one afternoon. A man, who I later realised was a bit drunk, called out, waved and said hello as we both met on a footpath coming from different directions going in the same direction. I said hello and immediately he went into a verbal diatribe of describing what he would like to do to me against my will. I was obviously quite shocked but the emotion that was most prominent, and equally shocking to me, was my rage. My immediate response was, I’d like to see you try! I obviously later regretted this. But, in that moment I was so angry that he believed I was a victim. I didn’t and wondered what he saw that made him think that.
With regard to the last 30 seconds... What is the best way to give off that persona of competent monster in society. Like I'd like a principle to apply to meeting someone new, as well as meeting someone you've met a hundred times (like family)
First few mins: This happens to me all the time and I exactly do what Dr Jordan Peterson suggested. But I have to tell you. I see behavioral changes but not realization. I want to say that is a bad thing.
I'm trying to learn. I need to learn... I have to make things right.
Did u?
So good
Take a drink alreadyyyy!
4:06.... Drink the damn soda Jordan! C'mon! You opened that shit at 1:46. 4:25 what the hell man?
Good lecture though.
Lord Falcon I know right lol. It's just a symbol of some kind.
He actually does drink it at around 2:50
@Jon coda he does drink it a 2:55 idiot...your such a loser ...you and Jordan Peterson are both losers...of course a blind person is a Jordan Peterson fan
@@JordanPeterson.
I really don't like Jordan Peterson. Lol. I said the Lecture was good. I actually think he's a terrible person.
Thanks for replying 2 years later (and you call me an idiot and a loser, lol)
Someone notified me 2 years ago that I missed him actually drinking the Soda. So you're a little late.
What and stop that train of thought...no way bruh! We are hanging on every word.
one little sin at a time.. killed me.
82 days to fall.
6 days of weakness.
doomed forever
there should be one video of him of learning about these giant families with half brothers and sisters and divorced mothers.
His talk sounds like he is describing a mucoid plaque removing colon cleanse for the first six minutes.I just completed one and removed seven or eight pounds of the stuff.Love the guy!
rule of 3’s a Good Idea.
Getting divorced was the happiest day of my life.
My son took his life over a pending divorce of a 1 year marriage.
Im so sorry
He shouldnt of got married, we have more then enough warnings by other men nowadays on the internet. If you play with snakes dont be upset when you get bitten.
Broken heart will kill you prematurely. I’m sorry.
Can you share the link to fill clip please?
Option for divorce is reason never to bother getting married. Marriage it death till part
Divorce is always an option - the question is why should it be disregarded from the outset and until death.
It is a contract (for taxation). And if the words are said as a vow, it is also a covenant. The only real criteria for a marriage (couple) is that they agree, and if they state terms - ok, and there's witnesses. And really the marriage license is giving the state an interest in the union and they can then have a say in it and the relationship ceases to be a couple and becomes a triple. A point to ponder: why do you need a license if the purpose of a license is to grant permission to do something that would otherwise be illegal? The other thing I know (from experience) is that the longer one is married to the same person, the more of that person gets integrated into who you are and you do shaped by them. And that goes for both people.
Problem is because of your belief how many people end up abused or dead mentally, emotionally or even physically because of that old fashioned mindset? Some people even get forced to marry and some people force themselves to Marry because of things like tradition or the think it's what you are supposed to do. Some people think it's biblical but actually people have made their own ideas of marriage and God states that it's better to not marry and be single, but if you can't then marry but not by the belief system that humans have made into their own.
I agree. Divorce is necessary as an escape hatch in the case of a dysfunctional or even abusive relationships. You don't want to spend the rest of your life in hell-at-home nor subject your kids to it. I must disagree, however, that marriage is an evil to be avoided; if a marriage is functional, happy and lasts 'till death part, congratulations! But yeah, avoiding marriage is not the noblest but it's certainly the safest.
4:45 i cannot stop laughing about the soda oh my god
Cheers to my brother popping a beer at 1:49
I went through a divorce and cancer at the same time. The cancer was easier.
Known variables
So realistically, how would someone go about tracking someone’s “ mini dragons” when I comes to confronting the small one so it doesn’t turn into a huge one and possibly get you want to divorce court?
I can’t imagine that mentally keeping track of it would be recommended both because human memory is certainly fallible, but also I don’t imagine that you want to prioritize every negative incident someone does in your mind, otherwise you’re only going to be seeing their negative aspects one of you run into them.
Would you actually write something like that down? Would you go into detail or just a brief some up?
I mean this sound like really good advice especially if you want to improve a relationship, but how would you actually apply at?
Broken Eyes here’s the thing, I lived this. It’s nice to hear Dr. Peterson validate the way I attempted to address issues. However, you either establish The efficacy of addressing things early, working past the anger to discussion during courtship, or you are going to do it during the marriage. If you establish the pattern before you either move in together or get married, you have a better chance of long term communication, problem solving and sustaining the marriage. I would say you’d better have it established before you move in together, because moving out is hard, but divorce is even harder.
Broken Eyes state your positions. State your intent openly . State your limits openly . Just let people know what you will and won’t take and be clear and firm on it and don’t back down. Everyone has limits. Everyone. Sometimes you just have to let people know where they are because they will test you. Especially in a relationship where the position should be equal.
What lecture is this?
I can DEFINATELY relate to JP's lecture here. I became a 'cancerous monster' after my divorce like JP mentions here. I married a 'single mom' when I was a very young 'childless man' ... so NO WAY THAT was working out anyway, but I developed a 'defensive chip on my shoulder' in the dating market EVER SINCE ... hence 'the cancerous monster' was BORN! DO NOT Marry the WRONG Person, or the 'Wrong Situation' as I DID!!!
Better yet… with family law being what it is… don’t get married period.
If the laws change then consider it.
Why? Monster? How?
What the hell did this have to do with divorce?
Brilliant man. Going through a divorce right now
If you have any questions on custody, let me know.
oh, just noticed it was a year ago. you probably went to trial already and got railroaded. as usual for men.
The part of confronting issue that bother you jeeze word for word that happened today minus the divorce we talked it out. But damn, that bag of hot cheetos was mine...
I suggest you deal with the thing which disturbs you the first goddam time it emerges. 3 times later is too late.
100%. Nobody respects a weak, passive aggressive man who takes notes to try to score points against a woman. He started with a good premise but the approach could really manifest quite badly in practice. And usually no need to take things so seriously. Better to assume her intentions are good but you've misunderstood her, and say you don't understand. So much of what Dr Peterson talks about is true if you're in a very dark situation but I feel really sorry for anyone who can actually benefit from his advice since its so basic.
John O'Loughlin I think you’re on the money here. Peterson often just psychobabbles - the old “baffle them with bullshit” line, though I may be judging what he says in academic classrooms what he says to a general audience. I’m very wary of a knowledge system like psychology claiming scientific rigour when there really is none.
So he's saying: be an articulate jerk to avoid being taken advantage of by jerks. Sad, but true. The world is replete with jerks. And a disgusting world it is.
He never takes that sip😢
Another comment said he does at 2 55
Life is a series of rabbit holes one dives down, to escape the Red Queen, while simultaneously trying to be of benefit to the world and self. Yay! Everybody is Alice / Neo / You.
Rabbit holes denoting the archetipal dimensions/world/life one chooses to embrace, and the Red Queen being Chaos/Death.
Smart people, please procreate more. T.A. - Humanity
1:50 It funny how he started saying cancer as he is opening the can of pop.
“Low rent affairs?” what the hell does that mean?
hunky dory friends with benefits.
banging some rando
It means banging trailer trash, that’s what it means, they’re cheap, easy, and stupid, hence the term “low rent”
Totally off topic......but this is but one reason why I believe the Hancock stance that we are a species with amnesia not aware of our true historical past, and that civilization probably predates what we think it does by many many more thousands of years......this story...so simple on the surface...yet when analyzed by a person like Dr Peterson you see the depth of wisdom in it......that's, to me, not a level of insight and wisdom into the human spirit that comes from one of the first relatively fledgling civilizations......that seems the wisdom of a species that has risen and fallen atleast a few times before.....to know despite the best we can be,,,,,we have the blood of the kind of monsters still flowing through our viens.
Ill never sign any papers
The title is not very explanatory but anyways...
Man you make me so thirsty... drink the damn soda!!!
So ladies and gentlemen here’s some utility when meeting the Devil in the underworld!!! Chills
I live in Japan. I have been in enough relationship to know that Japanese men will at some point, abruptly ignore what you are saying and talk about something else. It’s not always clear why, it can be because they disagree, or they think your time for talking has run out or because they don’t understand why you are talking about that, or there is a misunderstanding.
In western society bluntly interrupting someone and switching topic means absolute disrespect.
How can someone keep a long term relationship if their partner default mode is to switch to another topic every time they don’t like what you are saying?
By the way they do this without looking angry. And they get annoyed if you point out that even if there is a disagreement,we should deal with it and not ignore the other like that ….
I myself also live in Japan and I am at a bit of a cross road. I want to raise a family and I ask myself would I even be able to be a good husband to a Japanese woman. Part of it is fear. There is this culture of the husband basically just becoming a bank account to his wife here. I don’t want that. I want to be able to provide but I don’t want to provide just out of cultural obligation I want to provide for the woman I love. So I have been thinking about these things on what do I need to do today to prepare myself for the day I become I a husband. One of those things, and I still screw this up, is developing the ability to listen. To hear what the person is saying to me and how they feel and why do they feel that way and to just understand them. Sometimes, I have heard this from one one my friends, when I a wife talks to her husband she’s not looking for a solution to how she feels she just wants to be heard. There are other things of course, I struggle to keep the house clean, I can cook very well yet, ect. I just hear stories of men coming here and marrying and then divorcing after so many years. I don’t want that for myself, nor the person I will marry. I want to build a family with her, not just serve each other out of cultural obligation but out of love.
That’s every ignorant men
I would never get married in USA. Crazy divorce laws.
Hi Jordan. Unfortunately a male and a female have a difference in opinion with regards to how there child is raised. I was completely amicable and paid for mediation and lawyers for us to agree on a way to raise my child.
Despite my best intentions for my son my partner wished to make things difficult. He is thirteen now and I have thought about him every day.
Hey man, hope you’re well
What happens when you need to use the sword
Jordan said divorce is like cancer. I wish he would have explained why..... he did not mention the methods the family court uses to destroy the man like - quick claim deeds, QDRO orders, gift to the marriage, state child support statues, petition for alimony, wage garnishments, title 4D state revenue. Better know what this is if your a man getting married.
If she loves you she'll sign a prenup
all imposed by courts dividing assets when one party decided to act like an ass.
I did that. no one could debate me.
I wrecked everyone.
I knew almost everything.
but then God came, and crushed me.. cause I wasn't being kind and loving. and i did sin willfully.
he gave me a second chance.
but I failed.
now he left me. I felt him go. and he took who I was... my goodness was Him all along. and now I'm doomed.
wtf. I was just trying to survive life.
I...fully understand what you're saying here as I have done the same thing. I hope you've discovered some king of peace. Is there a way out?
@@JoshuaMiller77
yes. The ẞißle says his mercy triumphs over his judgement.and he came back to me, restored my humanity and joy, and made the demons messing with me go away.
I had to humble myself and pray.
and He answered. He's fixing me again. when or how did it happen to you?
The 3 “D’s” 👓
Dragon🐲
Devil 👹
Done 👎. 😅…. That happens enough then, “ divorce “ , that’s the 4th “D” .
Holy shit lol
Be dangerous !
Here's another repackaging of Jordan Peterson where the title is almost a complete misnomer. Greed for clicks, I guess.
Wow good
Hi I'm Juliana nice to meet you
@@juliannagracie3021 hi
Sorry but this one just doesn’t make sense. Dude jumps all over the place interrupting himself and not qualifying very broad statements as if they’re obvious and self evident. Not sure I’m tracking with you Dr. Peterson
i dont have problem with divorce either. same way we sign marriage paper its same way we sign divorce paper. if you can get married in peace you should be able to to get divorced in peace too. my problems not getting married or divorced. my problem is not im not going to give you anything once you decided to leave. you free to leave anytime you want. you just sign the divorce paper and disappear. either way you not priority in life. once you decided to leave you just disappear.
Let me tell you a little history to answer the question. It is a sin to fornicate (sex outside of marriage). Those who practice sexual immorality will not go to heaven (1 Corinthians 6:9; Galatians 5:19-21). Fornicators and adulterers will be judged, but the marriage bed is undefiled. The question is not should we get married, but what kind of marriage should we be a part of. For this, you will need a little bit of history. Marriage is a covenant. The word covenant is a Hebrew word that come from the root word to cut. You were cutting an agreement. We would say, cut a contract. The cutting would usually involve blood. That is why we use wine at marriages. The wine is called the “blood of the grape.” You are making a blood covenant. This can be seen in breaking the hymn in intercourse. The woman belongs to the father. He has authority of her as long as she is in her youth and living under his roof. It was always assumed the woman would stay at home for the father’s provision and protection. Young girls going off to college is not a good thing (fornication and rape). Marriage only took a covenant and becoming one flesh in sexual union. Therefore, it was a private affair. It did not involve the state or the church (synagogue) traditionally. This can be seen in the Old Testament. God set up a monetary transaction called the bride price. It transferred ownership (authority) of the woman to the man she was going to marry. We practice this by having the father walk his daughter down the aisle and giving her away to the man. Coverture law at common law said the woman was to take his last name. When she took his last name, she lost her legal identity. She because the legal extension of the husband. She could not sign contracts or own land. Biblically as well as early English law did not permit a woman to divorce her husband. Countries that practiced bride prices usually allowed the man to marry more than one wife at the same time. They did not need to get the State’s permission for marriage. All they had to do is report the marriage to the church/state. This is the same for marriage in the United States. England said since all matrimonial matters were handled by the church, the church said who got the children and who could initiate the divorce. Under coverture law, man got 100% custody of the children because children were considered his legal property. They were under property laws. Women only got custody of small children for a short period of time for breast feeding if the man divorced the woman when the child was still an infant. This is called the Tender Years Doctrine. It was practiced in England and the United States. The feminist movement under Carolyn Norton wanted the right to divorce their husband. To do that, Parliament created an Act where they took jurisdiction of divorce away from the church (Matrimonial Clause Act, 1857). Feminism spread to America through England. The Woman’s Suffrage Movement pushed to give women the right to divorce in the United States. The States agreed. States started to require marriage licenses. This was to give the State jurisdiction over marriage (matrimonial matters). Before this, it was a civil matter handled by the courts that allowed only men to initiate the divorce (except for extreme circumstances). Woman’s suffrage pushed against this using the 14th Amendment (Equal Protection Clause). The United States created Family Courts (as England’s courts of equity) to handle matrimonial matters in 1917. The United States also unified marriage certificates at the same time. This gave the state full jurisdiction of marriage and divorce in the US. Before, marriages were private accounts, and the license was people recorded their wedding date in the family bible. They would then report it to the State. However, in the 20th century this all changed. The question is now, should we get married through the State? The pastor will say, “By the powers vested in me by the State of … I pronounce you man and wife” Not God. The State created unliteral, no-fault divorce statues from Russia under Marxism in 1917. Unilateral, no-fault divorce allowed the woman to divorce her husband without requiring proof of abuse. Before this, the burden of proof was on the woman to provide evidence there was abuse in the marriage. It was pushed by the feminist group called NOW (National Organization of Women). Since the early 20th century, women got primary custody of young children. When the State started to allow women to divorce, divorce increased exponentially, they started to require men to pay child support so the State would not have the burden of taking care of single mothers with their children. It became a federal law as men started to jump ship and leave the state to avoid the financial burdens and responsibilities. The truth is, child support is too expensive for most fathers and the state uses unfair equations to determine support. They will charge the same amount for an infant as with a teenager when clearly, they will have different financial costs to raise them. Child support does not take that into account. Men are mad. They are rebelling. However, if a man has a child outside of wedlock, the State will charge the same child support payments but automatically give custody to the mother (legal and physical). Men can’t seem to escape the involvement of the State. Many Christians and religious people are choosing to have private marriages and not to report it to the State (marriage licenses). Unbelievers are choosing to co-habitat (co-habitation increased 900% since no-fault divorce laws). You are darn if you do, and darn if you don’t. If you have children outside of wedlock, you automatically loose the children (only get visitation in most cases). If you marry and have children, you automatically loose 1/2 your assets, and only get 25% custody of your child if you are lucky (which is not custody at all and was called visitation until recently). The courts can still require alimony if you were married. They usually only do this if the man makes considerable income and they were married. The courts can require you to pay alimony and child support even if your former wife remarries in many cases. The new husband is not financially responsible for you and your wife’s children. However, they are allowed to impede in your custody and visitation (they will usually be that third wheel that tags along in PTA meetings and child exchanges). All in all, it is a bad deal all the way around. There is no win-win situation for the man. If you have sex outside of marriage you have the real possibility of losing your salvation. If you have sex inside the marriage, you have a 75-80% of being divorced, losing the home, kids, money, bank accounts, military benefits, etc.. You will be called abusive and if you push against the system. The courts and the police will put you in jail by creating unrealistic and unconstitutional restraining orders for you to obey. Like not saying hi if you see your children outside of visitation hours. Over 1 million restraining orders are made a year in the United States. And that mostly against men in domestic relationships. They can kick you out of your own home with just an accusation and without warning. The police will show up at your door and give you 5 minutes to pack your bag and leave the home. Then try and get enough money to try and pay for a lawyer while the woman of an alleged abuse can get free lawyers from the State. Most contentious divorces the woman will claim abuse. There is educational abuse in California, as well as, emotional abuse, financial abuse, and lastly physical abuse as a buffet for her to choose from. Why file for no-fault divorce then claim abuse when trying to attain custody? Why not just file for an at-fault divorce and claim abuse is the reason for the divorce and custody? I will tell you. The reason why is under no-fault divorce, they are guaranteed a divorce and abuse does not need to be proven using clear and convincing evidences to get the kids if you claim that is the reason why you would be the better parent. It is like the Presidential election today. You don’t’ have to prove you are the better candidate for President, you just have to dig up some dirt and show the people why the other person shouldn’t be. What choice does the man have today in this modern world. NONE. It is all part of the MATRIX.
This putz 😂
Liber arbitru pe care n ai voie sa l calci nici la un paianjen
The devil is a blonde from Oregon
A bit off topic but still relevant: adultery isn't cheating on your partner. Adultery as stated in the bible is when a woman remarries. Both her and her new husband are committing adultery. Not doing this is the seventh commandment. Marriage use to mean something, a covenant and bond outside of the physical limits of time and our bodies.... that is until government took it over for profit and control.
Omg that story sucked!
Totally agree. That is why God stated that revenge is His. I have always encouraged women to stay in their marriages despite the pain their husbands have done to them. And this is the basis " what God has yoked together let no man/woman put apart" meaning ONLY God holds the right to end a marriage In Malachi 2vs 16 Jehovah God has stated " For I hate divorce." This all means no matter what happens in your marriage not even the innocent party has the right to put apart what God has yoked together even though the man has done such evil against her. Women initiate divorces most times and they end up being alone for the rest of their lives because they have done what God hates and they end up being the ones punished the most when they take into their hands what they have no right to do. Then because the man has not divorced his wife even though he is the cause of the problems that led to his wife ending the marriage, he gets away with it by being blessed with another woman whilst the woman lives alone to death. I always advise women do not return evil for evil because you never know that the evil you return , you could pay severely for it. Divorce is the worst evil than adultery because it destroys generations as well. Hence, these women suffer the most. Our grandparents stayed in their marriages even though they faced what we face today. Pray for your husband before you pray for yourself so God can help him with wisdom. Maintain your integrity no matter what, it will get better in time. I know it. Allow for forgiveness at slme point. Nothing is unforgivable. Even murderers get pardoned