Shredder of LUSTRIA In Competitive! Lizardmen vs Norsca - Total War Warhammer 3
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Your most impressive skill as a presentator is that you're able to make me root for both sides at the same time
Sadly bringing a big scary expensive monster against one of the best monster killing factions in the game was perhaps not the smartest move
It's usually not the smartest move in general
@@fatcatlocatedinahat962 in my opinion the top players of warhammer misuse the big monsters in their armies. they think throwing them in first absorbing arrows and healing is the way to go but it really just maximizes the opponents ranged unit value. it then becomes too easy to break the formation of the smaller opening army you've brought, the big monster has to retreat, waste time and also take up micro.
Ask yourself, in any fantasy battle scenario where you've seen giant monsters, has the monster ever been the thing walking in alone? On the contrary... the big monster is something you bring out in the midst of the chaos of the middle of the battle to utterly crush the morale and battle plan of the enemy. once all the pieces that deal with big monsters are distracted - if you summon a big monster, all of those pieces will have to stop what they're doing, regroup and break their own positions in order to start focusing on the monster.
I used to do it all the time with 2 giants before they got buffed multiple times. I would bring a normal army and play normally while holding the giants back at my artillery pieces and once the battle became a bit more decided i would bring the giants in with my reserve pieces and the enemy wouldnt have the proper tools to then deal with full life giant monsters that terror route their already low and shaky units. It works wonders and is how you're intended to use a giant beast like that
@@fatcatlocatedinahat962 Depends. It can be an unexpected pick and has utility against melee-majority factions, provided they don't excel at anti-large. I've found it has some utility against Greenskins as a surprise pick as it pretty much insta-routs anything they have.
Is great against vampire counts too
Its great against anything that doesnt have range @@gabsaurus9146
I hear the Shredder of Lustria is hard countered by Teenage Mutant Ninja Skaven
So eshin or moulder?
The big thing to consider when picking the other dread saurians over the shredder is that the shredder has the dread aversion aura. It was this that was nuking their leadership at the start of this battle.
I have tried the other variants of the Dread Saurian and the one that always performs the best is the RoR variant. Empire stands no chance against one. It will rout everyone off the field immediately.
@@ReachStudioProUntil they bring guns, huntsmen, artillery?
@@ReachStudioProuhm, I don't know about this one bro 😅 from my anecdotal experience the empire is really good at killing monsters this big
Compared to the feral one the shredder has a frontal ranged attack which counts as artillery for leadership, the skinks throwing javelins on the broadsides which counts as regular missiles and the leadership decrease aura. So it actually contributes a lot more in decreasing enemy morale than the feral variant. But there are cheaper ways to abuse low leadership.
Kudos to Turin for uploading losses. Means I don't know who is going to win and the videos are more interesting because of it.
You gotta consider the meta game too:
Housecat of War has Immune to Psych, but most opponents would terror rout as soon as they saw that big boy line up against them.
The Dread Aversion leadership debuff from the Shredder is the real reason to take it over the other Dreads. It's not the most cost effective unit, but when you opponent doesn't expect it and fails to take enough missiles, it can really hurt. It's especially good when you're facing vampire counts blobs and weaker demonic infantry.
Shredder? Hardly know 'er
The Dreaded Dreader of Lustria sounds even better than the original.
Indeed it does 😂
Hunters (Javelins) are super efficient against big targets, evoking that neolithic mammoth chaser vibe. If Chameleon Stalkers got a slight cost reduction, they might be a good adjunct for diving the backline in setups like this.
i vote we make karl franz a unit of measurement for hp. "that shredder currently has 2kf of HP"
I have come back to Total War Warhammer and your videos are still coming out. Thank you for being the best Warhammer youtube channel
Somehow giant bipedal crocodiles laughing until they die is hilarious to me.
The shredder caused so many terror breaks I wonder if it would be worth it get more feral cold ones to chase down the routing units
GIVE ME THE DEMONS OF CHAOS VS VAMPIRE COAST, i saw it in the replay >=(
Cool to see a couple of really different armies and builds. Thanks.
imo the dread saurian's face being literally a shield should give them bronze shields to give a little more ranged resistance
My mother always said: "Son, don't bring a meme to a gun fight."
Would chameleon skinks help? They have nearly the same range as the hunters, start with a screen of them out and then summon in a dreader?
"Who in the blue hell would bring the shredder in competitive tournament play against Norsca of all factions?"
**looks at player name of lizards**
"Ah yes well mystery solved"
The enormous hp pool of the dreadsaurian unit works well with the % based healing
Bro you got your opponent on ground level in an instant with that shredder and big blobbing.
some flyers to follow around the shredder to rout off the terrified units would be good
I recommend to use the feral version of the big monster, he is almost half the price and his rampage is very manageable :D
Would be really nice to see the full roster of both armies before the video. With reinforces included
Shredder should cost a bit less and Bjuna needs to do a bit less damage
Even with the 22 WoM cost, the undodgeable + heavy damage combo is a bit much. Maybe its damage should scale negatively with the caster's distance? So if you want the full "cavalry deleted with a click" effect, you'd have to almost get in their faces when casting and put some risk into it.
Turin taking a ride with some Lizardmen DLC units: czcams.com/video/4Hihge6FFVw/video.html
The Shredder (maaaybe Dread Saurians in general) should have an aura that removes ITP, make them Dreadful!
I'm just happy to see Norsca. They're such a fun faction.
Love to see the big dino in play! 😃
Honest question, would red crested skinks work against such an army since they have armor piercing or are they overpriced or something for what they offer..?
Probably a bit too fragile to trade efficiently against Norsca. But they have immunity to contact effects, which could be useful against some factions.
@@emultra759 Got it thanks for replying! Yes they do tend to be fragile that’s true.. 🙂
Very good
I miss good old land battles
Do u do team battles also?
Please try with the cheaper saurian 😂❤
hi turin
How is fate of 1-click and lore of boring balanced?
Anybody interested in playing Warhammer 2 online battles? I’m kind of bad but I’m trying to improve
Not having skinwolves is an auto L in my mind, sorry i don't make the rules.
I'd be more interested if this had been a land battle, see how it would have gone when all you get is on the field.
I just love seeing the dread saurian. Lmao