MOTOZ Rallz vs Dual Venture
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- čas přidán 29. 02. 2024
- So I talked about the unicorn Bike...now tires...but this is comparing the RALLZ to the DUAL VENTURE - let me know your thoughts.....thanks!
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For 20/80 riding, I run Dessert H/T front with Rallz rear. Seems a fair combo. For 50/50, Dunlop Trailmax Raid all day long.
I mentioned my issue with the RallZ front on the MotoZ site and they reccoed Dual Venture with the RallZ rear. I also road the Trac Adv rear plus DV on front across the WYBDR and that was awesome
Many reviewers will talk about tires' treads and "what that will do for you" while riding. I absolutely love and appreciate all the things you're talking about are from your experience and real world testing, not just what the tires are "on paper". It gains trust from your audience. Most importantly, I appreciate your COMPARISON to other tires. Determining whether to buy a tire or not doesn't have to do with how the tire performs, it comes down to how it performs against the alternatives. That is all that matters. If a tire is great but theres a better one, then that tire isn't so good anymore... A question for you, have you tried the Dunlop Trailmax Raid? I heard your comments about the Mission, but the raid is pretty hot right now with many riders. Curious about your thoughts as someone who has tried the Motoz offerings.
One thank you for watching and commenting....much appreciated!!!...On the Raids...I don't have any personal experience. I know a couple folks that have used them...and they've had no issues - they are better in the mud and sand. One thing for sure is the depth of the tread is not as deep as a Motoz - that I do know....sorry I don't have more...again thank you!!
I've got a Rallz I'm putting on the rear of my Xchallenge and looking forward to testing it at MMM. However, the Anakee Wilds I use on my F800GS are a great all around tire in my opinion. Yes, they're loud on the highway but I wear earplugs and am usually listening to music. The advantage of the wilds for me is they re rated to 105 mph and are a radial tire. I usually get about 8,000 miles on a rear and twice that on a front tire. Just my opinion but I thought I would share. Great video and I will see you at MMM!
yes - lets talk - love to hear more about that front tire....see you soon!!!
Nice video! I watch all of Kyle's videos,and have settled on Motoz when I need new tires. I'm going with the Adventure rear and dual venture front. I have the stock Karoo on my Africa Twin,and I'm waiting to wear them out. My brother got a used bike and it had the Mission Trial Max,and he really likes them. We've been to Colorado and Big Bend. I likie the fact that you didn't like the Karoo 4 they don't even look like a good tread pattern to me. The Michelin didn't look that good to me either,but you're the only guy that has said it,maybe some people have had decent luck with them? I can't wait to put some new tires on mine. By the times we go off road again I will have th Motoz!!!
Thank you and I think you'll really like that combination...safe travels!!!
on my 2024 800de i have the dual venture/venture combo. definitely do not handle crisply on pavement. but thats comparing it to the oem street bike tires.
For me I have found the Rallz tubless front and the Rallz rear the best around tires for my 990 adventure, not perfect but close.
Been running the Adv/DualAdv for a season plus on my 850GSA (multiple BDRs and general commuting) Great tires. Expecting an easy 8k+. I run them a little under spec pressures offroad. No complaints!
How is the noise from the front tire? I put Adventures on my 850 GSA and then rode from Vancouver to Tuk and back. Tires were amazing on any surface but the howl from the Adventure on the front was insane.
@@autowerkesexclusive Ear plugs. They are a bit noisy.
It all depends on how your percentage of road to dirt you ride . I like the dual venture but I’m more a 60/40 guy . Did a 2000 mile trip to the MOA last year on then and they worked great .
Thank you!!!
My favorite combo is dual venture front and the rallZ rear. Worked awesome on the 890R
I'm moving to that as well...that front Rallz is squirrely....thanks
I’ve got the dv / tractionator gps combo which I like.
Have the same on my t7 and its awesome
Hi! What avantatges you in this combo compare to using front and rear rallz tires? Apart from the milage.
@@joancastillejo1900 better stearing with dv front, and comfort
U are amazing
I would love to try the RALLZ on my 890r but in Canada the back 150 tire costs $430 alone.I went with the Mitas E09s front and rear on sale both for $380,hope to find they ae an ok tire.
WOW - thats a lot....sorry to hear that - thanks for reply....
Interesting you mentioned KB, as he was a huge fan of the Michelin Awnakee Wilds. When you look back at his tests, there weren't many he rated better.
This is kind of like the unicorn of bikes right...it's really personal preference....i just found personally I didn't like the Anakees....thanks for commenting
Love my rallz on the front, perfect for the 701!
I have ridden almost every tyre on the market I reckon. The Motoz Tractionator Adventure, in my opinion is the best ADV tyre you can buy. I get 20k km out of a set. Great on road, awesome offroad, quiet and not overly expensive. While I haven't tried Rallyz, I don't have a reason to change the hoops on th Tenere!!
Im starting to feel that they are the best overall...you get a smooth ride on the road and can handle any Off-Road excursions....thanks for commenting!!!
@@lifesjourneyat50 couldn't agree more! Great video. Thanks for sharing!
I ride 1290ktm. Mostly offroad rocks,deep sand,gravel anf occasionally tarmac. Rallz definitely on rear i get 5000 km. Front for me Mitas enduro trail xt +. Excellent handling in mud ,rocks, deep sand and gravel. For a 80/20 very well on tarmac
Thanks for sharing
As someone who has been running a DV/Rallz combo for about 2 years on a 701 and loving them, I did not notice until now how badly they neutered the DV on the tubeless version. The TT DV is quite aggressive, that tubeless one looks like the pattern of an "ADV styled" street tire.
Thanks for sharing....interesting how it changes
I’m shopping for a new front tire for my 701 and tend to ride a variety of surfaces and the biggest issue I have is the front end wobble in sand. How’s the DV in the soft stuff/sand?
@@UnicornMoto I honestly cannot see a tire being much better without being a dedicated sand tire. Despite looking tkc80 adjacent i noticed immediately that it eliminated that scary push the tkc has in the soft stuff. This is assuming your using tube version, which is both more aggressive and is the correct shape for a 701 rim.
@@TheDacane I'll order the DV and give it a try! Thanks!
@lifesjourneyat50 how are these tires on wet pavement?? DV and tractionator
Would it be helpful to separate bikes / uses between heavy / medium / lighter weight ADV bikes since the wear ought to change somewhat between those rig segments? I would expect a GSA or Super Adventure to rip through tires faster than on a 50-80 hp mid-weight bike.
Thats a great thought…Since I’ve gone thru the mid size and big ADV bikes and most have been on the 1250…fair discussion…thanks for the feedback!!!
@@lifesjourneyat50 Just for perspective, I'm on a KTM 640 Adventure and, while not the best for highway miles, it's very capable off-road and I don't dread picking it off the deck as I would a 500+ pound rig. At 66, I need to pick my battles.
I have heard from a few guys that they run a rallz rear with a wild front, getting a 2:1 replacement ratio with the front running 16-18k kms.
Thanks for info....helpful for sure..!!!
Not sure on mixing radial and bias
Dual venture cupped on my KTM790. I didn’t notice till after the crash!
damn - wow....how many miles on it...hope you were ok...
@@lifesjourneyat50 apparently 4k miles, a lot of pavement. I had just finished the NEBDR and was heading south with the cruise control on. Spaced out a bit and looked up to find myself 1/3 into a 120 degree left curve. I caught the soft shoulder and momentarily recovered. Scrubbed some speed and high sided onto the pavement. 21 days later and it still hurts to cough :)
The RallZ front is the most DANGEROUS tire I’ve ever used! Had it on my DR650 for about 1000 miles, RallZ front would follow every groove in the pavement, would start howling about 40mph, and were subject to oscillation at 60mph plus. If the front starts to oscillate when the RallZ catches a groove it can put a rider down! I hated that tire! My DR650 went from a comfortable controllable friend to completely untrustworthy. Additionally the RallZ pulled off-track and followed unwanted lines off road too, I’d aim my DR on the line I wanted to follow and that damn RallZ would choose it’s own line, screw that tire! I bitched enough that Motoz warranted the tire and sent me a DV. Pulled off the RallZ front and put on a Dual Venture and presto, issue gone! I’m now running DV front & RallZ rear and they are working great. Next set I’m going with the DV front and Adventure rear.
Yes - I agree…I like it off road…but is squirrelly on HWY especially….thats the issue I had when I laid it down on the hwy last year….it just wanted to track and started to wobble and down I went…that Adventure in the rear is solid…even off road…..thanks for sharing!!!
Agree. I did the RallZ front once but never again. The rain grooves were spooky
70-85mph is my typical cruising speed on Texas Highways on my way to go play on the western state BDR’s. On the heavier the bikes (my GS1250 ADV) both of those MOTOZ tires are great. On the lighter dual sport bikes, 650cc or less, they will be squirrelly on grooved pavement or at highway speeds. I’ve run both and I prefer the Rallz. My favorite tire combo for my BMW 1250 is the MOTOZ Rallz for the rear tire, and the Bridgestone AX-41 in the front.
I know some people feel like mixing brand name tires between the front and rear is the equivalent of sleeping with your first-cousin, but I’ve been through more diverse terrain than most people. I know what works for me. And for the record, my first-cousin is pretty hot!
@@kcrush1 - All I can say is my experience with the RallZ front on my DR650 was terrible. The author of this video rides a GS1250 and he went down on the hwy because the RallZ was stuck in a groove. Why chance it? There are too many decent front tires on the market to mess with one that might cause issues. IMO the RallZ should loose it’s DOT rating and be removed from the market. Thanks for the info on your tire choice for the GS and your first cousin..
Agreed mate, the RallZ is bloody dangerous… On my Africa Twin the RallZ wondered all over the road 👎🏻 I only got 3k out of the RallZ on the rear👎🏻 Love Motoz, I normally run the GPS 👍🏼
👍. What is the dual venture & adventure tyre like in rain & wet roads please?
Never had an issue... really a solid tire all around
Thank you, excellent information. I was convinced I was trying the new Dunlop Raids…now I’m thinking Motoz. I live coastal SC/East coast, limited good dirt roads. I ride 80/20% I’d say. I ride a 1250gsa, what do you think about the dualventure in my situation (and what would you put in the rear?)
you can do Dual Venture in the front and Adventure in rear and get about 7-8K....and you can handle any terrain with them....you'll like that combo
I'd go Dunlop Missions for 80/20 riding. It's more important to have good grip on the black stuff than on the dirt in your case.
@@darylsummer1424 yes sir, agreed…that was my choice
@@billwaterhouse5894 Hey Bill, what do you think of the missions so far?
Would really like to hear from anybody using the Dual Venture and Adventure tires and how good they are or not on canyon roads(twisties). The AX41 are great on highway and twisties and off road but wear out in 2,500 miles so I'm looking for a great all around tire that's lasts longer..
I always wanted tot try those AX41 but I hear then burn up quick….Highly recommend the Dual Venture. 7-10K….great tire and feel both on and off road…safe travels!!!
The quicker they wear out the better the grip. Stay with the softer better grip tyre. One fall, and it'll cost you a lot more than a few hundred for the tyre. Stay safe, it's more important than money mate.
My R1250GS/2023 came with Karoo 3's - they HOWL - what is the noise level on the MOTOS Dual Venture?
Dual venture much quieter....Rallz are louder...thanks for commenting
Great info on the differences.. not sure where the hell your buying them for 450 per ser ??? Every place I've checked they 375to380 per set
Well...that's for my GS size...they are less for other sizes...and if getting them for less...please share...haha thanks for commenting
@@lifesjourneyat50 not sure what size your gs takes but my bike take 90/90/21 tubeless front and 150/70/17 tubeless rear.. rocky mountain chaperel revzilla all about the same price
@@gabrielkopp2036 19/17...did you change to a 21'.....those prices you quoted I did get on my KTM and Aprilia
@@lifesjourneyat50 no I have a vstrom 800de and still running oem tires.. plan is to burn rhe oem s up because at the price of quality tires.. I'm seriously looking at the dual venture front and the adventure rear..
@@gabrielkopp2036 I ran that combo twice and great..actually have on my oem rims a set now...excellent choice
2:11 You crashed your motorcycle using the RallZ tire stuck in a groove and you still claim it’s ok to use? 1:20 feels wonky? 1:45 settles-in 300-500 miles? NOPE! This fricken tire is DANGEROUS!! Kyle Bradshaw is flat wrong..
Yes I’ve had my issues on HWY…off road they are Great….thanks for comments!!!
RallZ = worst ever front tire / best ever rear tire
That may be the best summarized comment ever....thanks