Either Atomos has to add a RAW codec that blackmagic supports, or blackmagic has to add ProRes Raw to Resolve. The current situation sucks for both of them.
Yep, same problem for me. It is really ridiculous, I think BM wants to instal its BM raw as some standard and Atomos doesn't want to work with BM. BM has also just released its own recorders that can record in BM raw.
@@allencrider The day blackmagic has Nikon autofocus, ergonomics/build, viewfinder and ibis. I can shoot reportage style handheld and the autofocus help me do what I call, the impossible shots. Try manual focusing somebody walking or driving towards you and I am a professional. The autofocus give me the possibility to do shots I would need a whole crew to do, it is not usable or as good in every situation, but for 90% of shoots its a game changer. Thats from someone who use to manual focus before.
A couple things, the noise is 100% normal because it’s the raw data from the sensor. The post denoise is superior to internal denoiser and the results is MUCH cleaner and detailed low light shots. It’s not a con. It’s normal noise when shooting raw.
For action shooters: Have you installed the new 3.0 firmware update? I tested the camera on BIF and the result is simply amazing! I now have a "new" Z6 shooting great action shots. The auto-focusing tracking is simple great! Just as good as the D5 and D500. It is worth every penny. I now want to buy a CF-express so I can test how many shoots the camera is able to do in one burst on 12FPS. The upgrade really made me happy with Nikon again.
Sounds like to much hassle for not a lot of benefits compared to 10 bit Prores. I've done some extensive testing of 10 bit Nlog footage and even with heavy grading it looks smooth and organic without any noticeable artifacts. Dynamic Range is also the same for Nlog and for RAW.
The quality of the video is amazing considering you’re sitting in front of a window in daylight. Skin tones look great and the colors make your eyes pop.
I make and upload long CZcams videos in 1080p. The much smaller ProRes RAW file sizes will give me appealing new options. If I change nothing else, I will dramatically reduce the storage I'm using for my projects. Alternatively, I can record in 4K and downsample to get a bump in image quality while still keeping my file sizes reasonable. FWIW, I had my Z6 updated by Nikon Canada. They added ProRes RAW and cleaned my camera so that it looks new.
Recently tested mine in the mountains of Colorado. I thought it did a great job. I am interested to see more on the moire and false color. So far I am super happy with all of the results I have seen, with both 10-bit log and 12-bit PRR.
I have my own theory on the line skipping. HDMI 2.0 max bandwidth is 18 Gbit = 2.25 GB/s. A SATA III SSD tops out about 570MB/s, so is it possible the atomos recorder is a bottleneck, and wouldn't this in theory be resolved by an updated NVME SSD based recorder?
Looks beautiful, very pleasing skintones indeed. Can always count on Jordan for a comprehensive video! That line-skipping is a bit of a bummer though...
Great video and summation of what the state of raw recording is right now. Thanks for putting this up! Have you had a chance to test the z7? Is the line skipping or pixel binning in that camera worse / does it result in more dramatic image quality issues?
Hey guys, did you get the same benefits from editing in ProRes RAW as you do with regular ProRes? I mean specifically to the speed of editing with a mezzanine codec; quick responsiveness, less tax on CPU alone, etc
10-bit 4:2:2 has been very flexible for me. Especially in an ACES workflow colors are incredible. I would be more interested in this RAW if it wasn't limited to one recorder, hopefully RAW recording comes to blackmagics new recorder as well.
I am also on the fence. I am a Davinci user and it is a headache. BM should either put Propres Raw in Davinci or work with Nikon with their new 12G recorder.
Bought the Z6 Filmmakers Kit last February and it’s taken a year to (finally) shoot ProRes RAW... unfortunately, all of my shooting will be to video a play, so getting the sets, and actors and theatre space back together is going to delay the serious work... but I’m going to shoot the narration in my “home” studio and I can’t wait to see what “film shooting” looks like under my Aputure and Intellytech LEDs ‘cause that’s what I’ll be using when I go on set... in addition to having the theatrespace’s tungsten lights available IF that doesn’t introduce - negative - color temperature effects??? As I understand it, FCPX still doesn’t have the Nikon/Ninja ProRes RAW option available... so it’s roll-your-own for a while longer... too!
Really solid guys, short & sweet ;) Very informative and visual, as usual. And yes.. :) Jordan picking up on the in-front-of-camera shtick ;) Thanks for the video. Have a great weekend!
Nikkor AI 28mm! I just took out my 50/1.8 E series from 1983, adding SLR Magic 1.3x50, SLR Magic diopter on the Z6. All on Zhiyun Crane 2 with motor focus. This is a happy weekend right now. And smooth.
I find the E series is nice but it blooms too much on highlights whereas the standard 50mm 1.8 AI/AIS versions don’t. Unless that’s the look you’re going for, which is nice in its own right, I would recommend using either of the standard ones if super clear and sharp anamorphic images are what you’re after in a nice compact setup.
@@Babsdoproductions I use the E one because it's pancake for acceptable weight distribution die to the (comparably) enormous anamorphic glass. Yes, "cheap" line glass from 40 years ago is not performing particularly well in IQ terms. But still decent for my needs.
1:42 I understand the camera is fixed in place in that scene, but I think in general I'd rather use some kind of cage or something to get the stuff out of the hot shoe, lest it be ripped off the camera some day or weather sealing compromised :-)
Would a smaller aperture setting made for a more cinematic look? The background being blurred, compared to the extreme bright light and sharp bright skin, looks very odd. It's extremely clear, with great color. But the subject looks superimposed onto a fake greenscreen with the windows and trees.
I just realized I am wearing an "I Shoot Raw" t-shirt. Not sure if it's the RAW or the focusing, but Jordan's eyes are really sharp. Are they being enhanced somehow?
I think it’s Super clear the lens you are using on the Z6 is old and not sharp at all! Why not review with one of the amazing primes Z system has ? 3:10 super soft
Yes please! If prores Raw is lineskipping on the Z6, then the Z7 may perform just as well -- and I'd much rather have a single Z7 for everything that need both cameras.
Regarding the noise comment: This is not a drawback but a decision by design. ProResRaw is designed in a way that your computer should take care of all the processing instead of the camera, including noise reduction.
Thanks Dpr! Great to know. The line skipping and poorer low light performance is very disappointing. Sounds like for most situations the external 10bit capture (non-raw) is going to be a more reliable solution.
Some guys had to shoot test chart because they wanted to know how nikon got a 4k raw image from a 6k sensor. Because no one saw moire before. Appart you are shooting test chart and not images, the moire is negligible. Every Raw (more visible in video) files are noisier than there JPG in photo, or Internal h.264 or Prores, in any camera.
Daniel Villiers true but there are better options and you’re not getting a whole lot of benefit from shooting RAW over log in 10bit anyway. S1H should be good I hope
MrWalrusGumboot because it’s not true. Remember you’re going to be shooting at 1/50 or 1/60th of a second. Even in low light situations you can generally keep your ISO lower than nLog!
I have absolutely no problem pushing the white balance of my GH5s 10bit 422 V-Log-L footage to ridicules places. I have corrected a scene that was shot under almost completely red/deep orange lighting to normal without the footage falling apart. You just really need to know what you’re doing and you’ve got you use DaVinci Resolve. Final Cut doesn’t even compare at all, to how the controls interact with the colors and tones curves. Seriously when you shoot Log and you’re doing anything more than just applying a rec709 LUT, DaVinci will give you noticeable better and cleaner results. My GH5s feels like an 80D with Technicolor CineStyle in Final Cut and like a little VariCam in DaVinci (except for the V-LogL DR ceilings, which just mean you’ve got to know who to expose it right). To be frank and this has been said by many experienced people, a 10bit 422 Log file with a low enough compression will let you do 85% of what you can do with a raw file, as longs as you expose somewhat correctly. You want to shoot as much as possible at base ISO anyway, even when shooting raw and 10bit 422 Log is enough for pretty much all color grading and even intensive Print-Film-Emulations with which every color and the curve gets changed drastically. Honestly I don’t get what you’re going at here. A Z6 with a Ninja V and you have to ship it away and then you say it’s for filmmakers to use it in controlled lighting? For what do you need raw then? If you’re that kind of filmmaker you’ll be fine with the original Pocket Cinema Camera or a GH5.
Just tried prores raw in Calgary zoo yesterday. Line skipping is obvious... and the white balance adjust is also not that impressive as we see in canon raw light file.
From reports it is working very well. The thing is even if z6 uses mainly the on sensor pdaf it does use a little contrast detect. So you can shoot in more contrasty picture profile if you want and get better autofocus than for example prores.
So I’ve been playing with Nikon/Atomos ProRed RAW and I found it impossible to predictably Color Grade... using an xRite Passport Color Checker and Color Finale 2.0 one has the ability to get correct Color by using ACES Profiles for Sony, Cannon, Panasonic... but, of course, nothing for Nikon - not even for legacy Nlog! Undaunted, I chose the “Assuming Log” and tried the Passport Check... again, no good. Can’t get a profile match to baseline. I did tweak the Passport Checker to get close to my original (high quality LED) lighting but as soon as I applied the Color Finale Effect to the actual video clip... pure garbage, waaay over exposed and looking more like False Colour🤮 Oddly enough, if I just brought in the ProRes RAW as “Video” into Color Finale (not “log” and no ACES profile... it looks pretty good... but WHY shoot log??? I could just shoot Nikon XQD 8 bit and get better results!?! (So long as I took great care in controlling the lighting exposure and color temperature at the shoot!) It looks like we can’t really use Nikon / Atomos / Pro Res RAW until Apple gets FCPX upgrades, along with 3rd Party tools like Color Finale! Am I missing something???
@DPReview Did you refer to blog.falklumo.com/2020/01/the-conundrum-of-nikon-z6-prores-raw.html @2:45 into the video, confirming that line skipping is used?
I'm glad a channel with 223k likes uses adaptable 35mm lenses on modern camera bodies, makes me feel good about my own investment and not worry about having extra gear
Because they are not as sharp as modern lenses, basically. Anti-aliasing filters work by blurring the image a tiny amount. Most vintage lenses have the same effect.
@@Gynra From all the other reviewers I have seen, the problem is really really low. What those guy (perhaps they did not meant it) make you believe is that the problem is so bad that you can't shoot with anything else than older lens.
Wow. Totally missed it. I'm usually pretty good at catching typos and errors, but I saw your comment and thought, "What's wrong with that?! 'Was shot' is correct - no typo there." Funny how our brains filter things.
Před 4 lety+1
The sensor was designed by Nikon and build by Sony. :)
@@SpeedyNeo Perhaps if you watch video at 400% every time it is unacceptable. I mean I have seen many more footage without any problem. Its not like we are back to the days of the Canons 5d, 7d. Every camera I have used I have found moire in very specific case.
Gents, always great videos. But the point about pixel binning or line skipping doesn't sound right as that wouldn't really be raw.. I'm guessing that the in-camera is sharper and has NO aliasing bc in compressing it's adding some processing- sharpening and de-aliasing; things you can do in post as well if not better. Thats the only thing that would make sense. How does the image look compared to Sigma FP cDNG?
Funny I was recording a few test shots with my Z6 firmware v3.0. I was keeping track of different settings and stills. I wasn't in movie mode just picture mode. I was recording everything to Atomos Ninja-V. When I went to review footage I found everything was recorded in ProRes Raw format. My camera hasn't been upgraded and was purchased long before upgrade was offered. Anybody have a clue what is going on. I did confirm the files were ProRes Raw. Maybe from now on I leave camera on still picture mode, plug mic into ninja-v and record movies that way.
as a video viewer, i don't understand why you guys are worrying so much about the DR. if you film a tree and the sun is behind, I expect to be blind by the sun. now i can see the tree and the shape of the sun... interesting but very disturbing artificial look. Stop correcting everything please ;)
Guess it's more about having the option in post to grade to ones' liking. That said i agree with you, maximum hdr-look is hardly ever good looking imo.
Your eyes don't work like that. Basically your brain does HDR processing all the time, that's why you can see both the inside of your room and what's happening outside, while on camera either one is dark and one is over exposed. These tree shots are just an easy example shot, not a real usecase.
Still kind of shocking to see raw capture has so much downsides. Why can't we get higher bit depth video capture internally without having to sacrifice oversampling and get that aliasing and false color? Very noticeable in the twinkling reflections imho.
Either Atomos has to add a RAW codec that blackmagic supports, or blackmagic has to add ProRes Raw to Resolve.
The current situation sucks for both of them.
Yep, same problem for me. It is really ridiculous, I think BM wants to instal its BM raw as some standard and Atomos doesn't want to work with BM. BM has also just released its own recorders that can record in BM raw.
I think it is smarter to sell your Atmos and upgraded Nikon and just use a BMPCC4K or 6K instead.
@@allencrider Blackmagic wants to force people to do this by not supporting Prores Raw
@@allencrider The day blackmagic has Nikon autofocus, ergonomics/build, viewfinder and ibis. I can shoot reportage style handheld and the autofocus help me do what I call, the impossible shots. Try manual focusing somebody walking or driving towards you and I am a professional. The autofocus give me the possibility to do shots I would need a whole crew to do, it is not usable or as good in every situation, but for 90% of shoots its a game changer. Thats from someone who use to manual focus before.
@@danielvilliers612 also z6 is a perfect photo camera and bmpcc is not.
Those piercing blue eyes had me glued to my screen.
A couple things, the noise is 100% normal because it’s the raw data from the sensor. The post denoise is superior to internal denoiser and the results is MUCH cleaner and detailed low light shots. It’s not a con. It’s normal noise when shooting raw.
For action shooters: Have you installed the new 3.0 firmware update? I tested the camera on BIF and the result is simply amazing! I now have a "new" Z6 shooting great action shots. The auto-focusing tracking is simple great! Just as good as the D5 and D500. It is worth every penny.
I now want to buy a CF-express so I can test how many shoots the camera is able to do in one burst on 12FPS. The upgrade really made me happy with Nikon again.
So what's with the yellow line on the edge of screen right in the piece to camera shots?
Sounds like to much hassle for not a lot of benefits compared to 10 bit Prores.
I've done some extensive testing of 10 bit Nlog footage and even with heavy grading it looks smooth and organic without any noticeable artifacts. Dynamic Range is also the same for Nlog and for RAW.
Awesome video, really helpful!
The quality of the video is amazing considering you’re sitting in front of a window in daylight. Skin tones look great and the colors make your eyes pop.
But he also has a light shining on him
The Sedona LUT has turned his face close into Donald Trumpish color palette though. Especially his eye lid shadows are orange as they can get
I was going to say the skin tones are not great.
5:50 “Equipment rentals from The Camera Store” ;)
I make and upload long CZcams videos in 1080p. The much smaller ProRes RAW file sizes will give me appealing new options. If I change nothing else, I will dramatically reduce the storage I'm using for my projects. Alternatively, I can record in 4K and downsample to get a bump in image quality while still keeping my file sizes reasonable. FWIW, I had my Z6 updated by Nikon Canada. They added ProRes RAW and cleaned my camera so that it looks new.
Recently tested mine in the mountains of Colorado. I thought it did a great job. I am interested to see more on the moire and false color. So far I am super happy with all of the results I have seen, with both 10-bit log and 12-bit PRR.
Here is my vid if you want to check it out.
czcams.com/video/tK2SvUESeTY/video.html
Love to hear what you think!
yea theres definitely issues but still pretty awesome to have accessibility at an under $2k price point camera body
given the atomos requirement, it's not yet under $2k
Finallyyyyy! I was waiting for this video for a months :)
Damn i shooted one youtube video only using the 105 2.5 happy to see my favorite portrait lens here :)
The 105mm f2.5 is gorgeous.
I have my own theory on the line skipping. HDMI 2.0 max bandwidth is 18
Gbit = 2.25 GB/s. A SATA III SSD tops out about 570MB/s, so is it
possible the atomos recorder is a bottleneck, and wouldn't this in theory
be resolved by an updated NVME SSD based recorder?
Nikkor AI-S 2,8 28mm - nice!
One of the legendary Nikkors from that generation. Close focus correction!!
@Grimace427It's the AI-Version. The AIS has an integrated hood (and orange smallest aperture).
@@niccollsvideo CRC - close-range correction ;-)
Grimace427 I own an Ai-S 105 and the hood is integrated. When your hood is not integrated, its definitly not an Ais. What is the colour of f22?
Wear an "I SHOOT JPEG" shirt instead, lol
ken rockwell intensifies
Change it to "I SHOOT HEIF" instead!😉
@@m4rcioflima or I SHOOT HIGHLY COMPRESSED H264 AND EDIT IT IN PREMIERE PRO
I brake for raw shooters
I own a green “I SHOOT JPEG” T-shirt.
Looks beautiful, very pleasing skintones indeed. Can always count on Jordan for a comprehensive video! That line-skipping is a bit of a bummer though...
I could tell you were using vintage nikkor glass just by the veiling, and the way the tree looks in the background. That jittery looking bokeh.
I have a million dollar question! Does it line skip in DX cropped prores RAW mode?
Not only in FC. Edius support Prores RAW as well. And you can editing and grading in Edius or export with Prores 4444. On PC.
Great video and summation of what the state of raw recording is right now. Thanks for putting this up! Have you had a chance to test the z7? Is the line skipping or pixel binning in that camera worse / does it result in more dramatic image quality issues?
Hey guys, did you get the same benefits from editing in ProRes RAW as you do with regular ProRes? I mean specifically to the speed of editing with a mezzanine codec; quick responsiveness, less tax on CPU alone, etc
10-bit 4:2:2 has been very flexible for me. Especially in an ACES workflow colors are incredible. I would be more interested in this RAW if it wasn't limited to one recorder, hopefully RAW recording comes to blackmagics new recorder as well.
I am also on the fence. I am a Davinci user and it is a headache. BM should either put Propres Raw in Davinci or work with Nikon with their new 12G recorder.
Bought the Z6 Filmmakers Kit last February and it’s taken a year to (finally) shoot ProRes RAW... unfortunately, all of my shooting will be to video a play, so getting the sets, and actors and theatre space back together is going to delay the serious work... but I’m going to shoot the narration in my “home” studio and I can’t wait to see what “film shooting” looks like under my Aputure and Intellytech LEDs ‘cause that’s what I’ll be using when I go on set... in addition to having the theatrespace’s tungsten lights available IF that doesn’t introduce - negative - color temperature effects???
As I understand it, FCPX still doesn’t have the Nikon/Ninja ProRes RAW option available... so it’s roll-your-own for a while longer... too!
Really solid guys, short & sweet ;)
Very informative and visual, as usual.
And yes.. :) Jordan picking up on the in-front-of-camera shtick ;)
Thanks for the video.
Have a great weekend!
I am guessing same issues with newer z6ii body? Line skipping, no evf andodd wrong display on back of camera lcd?
That catch light in your eyes is mesmerizing! Lol
Jordan, just fyi, Atomos says their Shogan Inferno 7” will also record ProRes RAW using the Z6.
Where do they say that? First I've heard of it. I'm interested in that model.
I know they do raw over SDI, I've not heard HDMI.
Nikkor AI 28mm!
I just took out my 50/1.8 E series from 1983, adding SLR Magic 1.3x50, SLR Magic diopter on the Z6.
All on Zhiyun Crane 2 with motor focus. This is a happy weekend right now. And smooth.
I find the E series is nice but it blooms too much on highlights whereas the standard 50mm 1.8 AI/AIS versions don’t. Unless that’s the look you’re going for, which is nice in its own right, I would recommend using either of the standard ones if super clear and sharp anamorphic images are what you’re after in a nice compact setup.
@@Babsdoproductions I use the E one because it's pancake for acceptable weight distribution die to the (comparably) enormous anamorphic glass. Yes, "cheap" line glass from 40 years ago is not performing particularly well in IQ terms. But still decent for my needs.
@@Babsdoproductions Will see if the 40 mm pancake S line lens will be even smaller.
1:42 I understand the camera is fixed in place in that scene, but I think in general I'd rather use some kind of cage or something to get the stuff out of the hot shoe, lest it be ripped off the camera some day or weather sealing compromised :-)
excellent video quality - even with bad CZcams compression
@DPReview TV Does it shoot 12bit with the upgrade. I love the camera but there’s something I love about the Sigma FP’s image.
Would a smaller aperture setting made for a more cinematic look? The background being blurred, compared to the extreme bright light and sharp bright skin, looks very odd. It's extremely clear, with great color. But the subject looks superimposed onto a fake greenscreen with the windows and trees.
I just realized I am wearing an "I Shoot Raw" t-shirt. Not sure if it's the RAW or the focusing, but Jordan's eyes are really sharp. Are they being enhanced somehow?
Thanks for this! Wondering your thoughts if its worth it in a real estate application?! Subscribed :)
Good video and nice clean teeth.
I wonder if the Z6 II has better RAW recording now that it has dual processors.
Now that they've just released the firmware update for the Z6 Blackmagic Raw can you do a comparison I would be amazing thank you
I think it’s Super clear the lens you are using on the Z6 is old and not sharp at all! Why not review with one of the amazing primes Z system has ? 3:10 super soft
Moiré.
I have a million dollar question! Does it line skip in crop(dx) mode?
Would the z6 support prores with the ninja star?
Great video Jordan. I'm missing your special tshirt today!
A $200 upgrade that allows 4K external ProRes raw recording to an external recorder that looks like 720P.
Please find some time to test it on the Z7.
Yes please! If prores Raw is lineskipping on the Z6, then the Z7 may perform just as well -- and I'd much rather have a single Z7 for everything that need both cameras.
There is one difference that is kind of speaking for the Z6: The 100/120 fps modes on the Z6 only work full frame, on the Z7 they only work DX.
@@FrankTaeger2021 Good point.
Whole setup at 1:43 is looking like mad scientist's dream
I'd rather use a cage. Looks like a lot of stress on that hot shoe
@@woox200sx Exactly, my small rig is always on my camera, even for photo.
Does the z7 also use line skipping when recording raw?
Hello how do i know if my nikon z7 has pro res raw upgrade? Does it say it in the settings? Pls respond
Hi, does the bit rate increase with the upgrade and the Ninja? I understand 8 bit is the max with 4k 60 fps.
Regarding the noise comment: This is not a drawback but a decision by design. ProResRaw is designed in a way that your computer should take care of all the processing instead of the camera, including noise reduction.
I suggest Jordan get a Jared haircut to go with the t-shirt !
A Jared hair...what?
Well, it’s gonna take 20 yrs.
“Welcome CZcams reviewers. Today we are going to talk about the new EOS R mark 8 and the new Pentax K1 mark 3”
@@junxia8119 😉
@@junxia8119 No. Hair grows a lot faster. I'd say 3 years.
Video quality is amazing. Thanks..
Very good review m. I hope they improve it with time and new firmware.
Thanks Dpr! Great to know. The line skipping and poorer low light performance is very disappointing. Sounds like for most situations the external 10bit capture (non-raw) is going to be a more reliable solution.
Some guys had to shoot test chart because they wanted to know how nikon got a 4k raw image from a 6k sensor. Because no one saw moire before. Appart you are shooting test chart and not images, the moire is negligible. Every Raw (more visible in video) files are noisier than there JPG in photo, or Internal h.264 or Prores, in any camera.
Daniel Villiers true but there are better options and you’re not getting a whole lot of benefit from shooting RAW over log in 10bit anyway.
S1H should be good I hope
MrWalrusGumboot don’t believe this video regarding the low light performance. And external 10 bit n-log won’t be more reliable.
hautehussey why shouldn’t I believe it?
MrWalrusGumboot because it’s not true. Remember you’re going to be shooting at 1/50 or 1/60th of a second. Even in low light situations you can generally keep your ISO lower than nLog!
Atomos Ninja V firmware 10.3 not supporting Nikon Z6 anymore. Does that mean Nikon ProRes RAW is stuck at Atomos firmware 10.2?
I'm reading 10.3's notes and I don't see anything about this?
Are you limited to only 800 ISO and higher? Also, in darker situations, does it focus hunt??
I have absolutely no problem pushing the white balance of my GH5s 10bit 422 V-Log-L footage to ridicules places. I have corrected a scene that was shot under almost completely red/deep orange lighting to normal without the footage falling apart. You just really need to know what you’re doing and you’ve got you use DaVinci Resolve. Final Cut doesn’t even compare at all, to how the controls interact with the colors and tones curves. Seriously when you shoot Log and you’re doing anything more than just applying a rec709 LUT, DaVinci will give you noticeable better and cleaner results. My GH5s feels like an 80D with Technicolor CineStyle in Final Cut and like a little VariCam in DaVinci (except for the V-LogL DR ceilings, which just mean you’ve got to know who to expose it right).
To be frank and this has been said by many experienced people, a 10bit 422 Log file with a low enough compression will let you do 85% of what you can do with a raw file, as longs as you expose somewhat correctly. You want to shoot as much as possible at base ISO anyway, even when shooting raw and 10bit 422 Log is enough for pretty much all color grading and even intensive Print-Film-Emulations with which every color and the curve gets changed drastically.
Honestly I don’t get what you’re going at here. A Z6 with a Ninja V and you have to ship it away and then you say it’s for filmmakers to use it in controlled lighting? For what do you need raw then? If you’re that kind of filmmaker you’ll be fine with the original Pocket Cinema Camera or a GH5.
Thanks for sharing the vid. Was interested to see this.
Just tried prores raw in Calgary zoo yesterday. Line skipping is obvious... and the white balance adjust is also not that impressive as we see in canon raw light file.
how was the auto focus with raw ?
From reports it is working very well. The thing is even if z6 uses mainly the on sensor pdaf it does use a little contrast detect. So you can shoot in more contrasty picture profile if you want and get better autofocus than for example prores.
So I’ve been playing with Nikon/Atomos ProRed RAW and I found it impossible to predictably Color Grade... using an xRite Passport Color Checker and Color Finale 2.0 one has the ability to get correct Color by using ACES Profiles for Sony, Cannon, Panasonic... but, of course, nothing for Nikon - not even for legacy Nlog! Undaunted, I chose the “Assuming Log” and tried the Passport Check... again, no good. Can’t get a profile match to baseline.
I did tweak the Passport Checker to get close to my original (high quality LED) lighting but as soon as I applied the Color Finale Effect to the actual video clip... pure garbage, waaay over exposed and looking more like False Colour🤮
Oddly enough, if I just brought in the ProRes RAW as “Video” into Color Finale (not “log” and no ACES profile... it looks pretty good... but WHY shoot log??? I could just shoot Nikon XQD 8 bit and get better results!?! (So long as I took great care in controlling the lighting exposure and color temperature at the shoot!)
It looks like we can’t really use Nikon / Atomos / Pro Res RAW until Apple gets FCPX upgrades, along with 3rd Party tools like Color Finale!
Am I missing something???
Do you also see the vertical yellowish line on the right edge? Where does it come from? Camera, recorder, precessing?
Whoa, I see that too! What is that???
@DPReview
Did you refer to blog.falklumo.com/2020/01/the-conundrum-of-nikon-z6-prores-raw.html @2:45 into the video, confirming that line skipping is used?
I bought a Z6 used. Any way to tell if it has prores raw?
Oh Yeah, the Jeff Daniels of Pro Res Raw Review! HoooRah!
I'm glad a channel with 223k likes uses adaptable 35mm lenses on modern camera bodies, makes me feel good about my own investment and not worry about having extra gear
this is normal in video - very different from stills photography
@@TheLostKuma I know, I love the tone they show in work would additional spending of money
can someone please expain why you solve the moire problem with vintage lenses? thanks
Because they are not as sharp as modern lenses, basically. Anti-aliasing filters work by blurring the image a tiny amount. Most vintage lenses have the same effect.
@@Gynra From all the other reviewers I have seen, the problem is really really low. What those guy (perhaps they did not meant it) make you believe is that the problem is so bad that you can't shoot with anything else than older lens.
@@danielvilliers612 I agree, it's not much of a problem, but as I understand it, moire is more likely to appear in video than in stills photography.
How is the quality of the ProRes Raw of the Z7 compared to the Z6?
This is game changing
DPReview
What video editing software did you use in the video?
sigma fp review please :), maybe compare the raw video capabilities of nikon z6 to the fp?
few people in the world have the hard drive space to shoot cinemadng T_T
Does the line skipping occur in dx mode?
Is ProRes Raw supported in premier pro? (windows)
Si the inferno will not work with prores raw??
:(.
"This is episode was shot…"? Obviously ProRes Raw doesn't correct typos
Wow. Totally missed it. I'm usually pretty good at catching typos and errors, but I saw your comment and thought, "What's wrong with that?! 'Was shot' is correct - no typo there." Funny how our brains filter things.
The sensor was designed by Nikon and build by Sony. :)
Did Jarrod just announce he no longer uses Nikon? So you can probable use his catch phrase... and say he also dropped shooting RAW
He announced he is using Sony for Professional Photography, he uses Nikon equipment for video.
@dpreview does atomos v can make nikon z6 can shoot unlimited video? because z6 can only shoot 30 minutes max... thank u before....
When you use an external recorder like the Ninja V, you are not limited by the 30-minute limit. You can record until you run out of battery/SSD space.
will s1h shoot 16bit raw on atomos?
Line skipping in RAW video is acceptable?
No it's not.
I don't understand, why people are not more upset about this.
Yes, it is.
@@SpeedyNeo Perhaps if you watch video at 400% every time it is unacceptable. I mean I have seen many more footage without any problem. Its not like we are back to the days of the Canons 5d, 7d. Every camera I have used I have found moire in very specific case.
Why is not acceptable?
Yep.
idk the blownout highlights in the first shot are not my thing ...
The new shirt "Video in the RAW"
Between 3.15 and 3.16 the color on eyes area goes to green color. Oops
*1 mnt = 4 gb (approx)file size* 😒
Gents, always great videos. But the point about pixel binning or line skipping doesn't sound right as that wouldn't really be raw.. I'm guessing that the in-camera is sharper and has NO aliasing bc in compressing it's adding some processing- sharpening and de-aliasing; things you can do in post as well if not better. Thats the only thing that would make sense. How does the image look compared to Sigma FP cDNG?
If one can shoot good video, they will manage with RAW or without RAW. The Z6 is producing nice IQ. For those who know what they are doing.
That skin tone.. Wow.. 4:18
Is that a manual focus Nikon lens? Holy crap.
Funny I was recording a few test shots with my Z6 firmware v3.0. I was keeping track of different settings and stills. I wasn't in movie mode just picture mode. I was recording everything to Atomos Ninja-V. When I went to review footage I found everything was recorded in ProRes Raw format. My camera hasn't been upgraded and was purchased long before upgrade was offered. Anybody have a clue what is going on. I did confirm the files were ProRes Raw. Maybe from now on I leave camera on still picture mode, plug mic into ninja-v and record movies that way.
It’s crazy to say you shouldn’t use it in low light!
Damn Canadians.🙂 That snow looks awesome
I'll pass and stick with my BMPCC4K and G9
yikes
as a video viewer, i don't understand why you guys are worrying so much about the DR. if you film a tree and the sun is behind, I expect to be blind by the sun. now i can see the tree and the shape of the sun... interesting but very disturbing artificial look.
Stop correcting everything please ;)
Guess it's more about having the option in post to grade to ones' liking. That said i agree with you, maximum hdr-look is hardly ever good looking imo.
Your eyes don't work like that. Basically your brain does HDR processing all the time, that's why you can see both the inside of your room and what's happening outside, while on camera either one is dark and one is over exposed.
These tree shots are just an easy example shot, not a real usecase.
Still kind of shocking to see raw capture has so much downsides. Why can't we get higher bit depth video capture internally without having to sacrifice oversampling and get that aliasing and false color? Very noticeable in the twinkling reflections imho.
Shooting the video on antique lenses was a mistake. Is there a 'clarify' option in your editor?
Zed 6, not Zee 6?… one of the reasons why us Brits love Canadians.
Nikon is getting closer to, but not yet completely up to the level of Panasonic S1 and S1H.
Subtítulos in spanish please...GRACAIS
Is it just me or do the catchlights in his eyes keep dancing in false colors all the time?