Links to replacement parts for the BSS are in this pinned post, scroll down the updates :) ●●●●update 12/8/21 boats passed its saftey check so this video is correct!!!●●●● ☆☆☆☆UPDATE on the fuel filter my BSS examiner said a metal and glass fuel filter was ok as long as not in the engine bay, which it isn't, but I've had heater boat fitters telling me that glass is not allowed at all so to air on caution this is a link to a proper eberspacher marine filter this will fit the hose in the video so no change to fitting or anything else so if you want the correct one to save any conflicting between my bss bloke and marine fitters or its going in a engine bay then this is what you need, www.melloronline.co.uk/Heater_Installation_Accessories_/10707/Eberspacher_Marine_Fuel_Filter_for_use_with_3.5mm_Fuel_hose.html ☆☆☆☆ Im not going to list everything I bought just the main items. Heater www.ebay.co.uk/itm/303372625960 Heater bracket www.ebay.co.uk/itm/EBERSPACHER-or-WEBASTO-heater-MARINE-Stainless-Steel-mount-bracket-41C0016-/280653941990?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&_trksid=p2349624.m2548.l6249&mkrid=710-127635-2958-0 Electricity isolator www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Car-Marine-Boat-Cut-Off-Battery-Isolator-Switch-Removable-Knob-Kill-12V-24V-300A-/313617262065?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&_trksid=p2349624.m2548.l6249&mkrid=710-127635-2958-0 Hull exhaust outlet www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Exhaust-outlet-backing-plate-fixings-for-Eberspacher-and-Webasto-Heater-24mm-/184983066604?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&_trksid=p2349624.m2548.l6249&mkrid=710-127635-2958-0 Exhaust pipe www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Eberspacher-or-Webasto-Exhaust-Pipe-24mm-36061296-90394a-/274877669675?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&_trksid=p2349624.m2548.l6249&mkrid=710-127635-2958-0 Exhaust clamps www.ebay.co.uk/itm/280841118338 Exhaust condenser drain www.ebay.co.uk/itm/124077311156 This is for a straight condenser drain www.ebay.co.uk/itm/114106037359 Exhaust wrap www.ebay.co.uk/itm/233259964842 Marina Exhaust silencer www.ebay.co.uk/itm/24MM-MARINE-AIRTIGHT-EXHAUST-SILENCER-FOR-EBERSPACHER-WEBASTO-DIESEL-HEATER-/124077311105?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&_trksid=p2349624.m2548.l6249&mkrid=710-127635-2958-0 ISO 7840 fuel line ( 8mm to 10mm fuel hose clips from same place) www.hoseworld.com/5mm-3-16-i-d-marine-fuel-hose-mfh-035.html Fuel shut off tap www.melloronline.co.uk/Heater_Installation_Accessories_/10145/Eberspacher_Standpipe_Marine_Fuel_Stop_Tap_with_pipe_connector..html Fuel stand pipe www.melloronline.co.uk/Heater_Installation_Accessories_/908/Eberspacher_Marine_Fuel_Standpipe_600mm.html Warm air duct 75mm 2m lengths and duct bends plus other accessories UK SELLER see listed items as they change the link each time its listed, ebay.co.uk/usr/priggione Air intake filter to replace the silencer www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Air-Intake-Filter-Silencer-For-Dometic-Eberspacher-Webasto-Diesel-Heater-25mm-UK-/384265454707?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&_trksid=p2349624.m2548.l6249&mkrid=710-127635-2958-0 Maxitherm duct insulation www.butlertechnik.com/eberspacher-maxitherm-insulation-75-80mm-wrap-p7 Any other stuff you can't find just ask, thanks
Hi This has been a great help I have ordered a few bits,but I'm struggling to find the fuel filter with the adaptors like yours,there are a lot of fixed ones. I would be very greatfull if you could send the link. Plus did you have any problems cutting into to diesel tank,like cut piece falling in. Kind regards Sean PYC ANDROMEDA
@@bubblebottoon hi if you use the same hole saw bit I used but take the spring off the drill bit the round part you cut out will stay stuck in the hole saw, cover the hole saw in grease all the swag will stick to it, also get a friend to hold the hoover around the bit as you drill this should stop most of it dropping into the tank you need to cut a 25mm hole if its the same stand pipe. This is a fuel filter just don't use the plastic ends www.ebay.co.uk/itm/252269696243 The barb fitting I bought is no longer on ebay but in my history it says I bought a 1/8"BSP brass taper male thread to 4mm barbed hose tail, i also used some ptfe type stuff on the threads. Hope this helps.
@@bubblebottoon also when fitting the fuel pipe over the barb fittings they are a very tight fit so get a cup of boiling water and stick the rubber pipe end in that for a minute it will then glide onto the barb fittings, they won't come off once on unless you cut it off :)
Superb video. Thank you for posting and including such detailed explanations and equipment list. A massive help for myself and others considering this and aware it needs to pass BSS. Thank you for sharing.
I've been looking for a video likd this as I've bought a diesel heater for my sailing boat and now hopefully I'll be able to install it to BSS standard. Thanks v. much.
I had already done quite some preparations for an installation of a diesel heater in our boat when I found your youtube video. Except for the fuel filter and some exhaust and hose clamps I had already ordered most parts via eBay and Amazon :-). The challenge is to get the exhaust system gas leak free. After watching your installation I got the confirmation that I am already on the right track. Thanks, Walter.
Even though this video is 2 years old it's still consistent with today. The heater hasn't changed at all. Prices may have but you'd expect that I guess. Great video that needed to be this long because of the concise information of the content. A job well done and if anyone watching this is a narrow boater I'm sure you would save a small fortune using this system.
Thank you 😍 yes all the BSS stuff still stands and I think the heaters are still the same, they just may have different controllers now, btw it's still working faultlessly and has had zero problems so far, not one error code or false start and zero smoke 🤣 I'm amazed myself really after reading the Facebook groups 🤣🤣 thanks again glad it helped. The links in my pinned post probably need updating too.
Great video I've just bought an eberspacher d2 with no fitting kit, have started ordering various parts that would be right fot the Narrowboat BSC. So thank you for the video best I've found on line. P.S Have engine type fuel filter and tap doing nothing in engine room so job done.
This video gave me the confidence to install one in my westerly centaur. Will get a y connection to run heat into main cabin and also into forecabin where it can get quite cold. Thank you so much for the measurements on all accessories and what replacement parts i will need. Your set up is so good. Thank you again...
Did you do it yet? Where did you fit the unit? I have a Westerly Cirrus and was thinking under the quarterberth bunk. :) Of course it's a difference between a 22f tboat and a 26ft boat, but Westerlys are sort of similar in shape and one can get ideas from bigger/smaller boats.
I just want to say what a cracking job you have done on this project and want to thank you for all of the knowledge you have shared. I fitted exactly the same heater on my boat and although I didn't use any of the exhaust pipe supplied and did use a quality skin fitting with exhaust lagging etc, I didn't swap out the silencer and I haven't put in the right quality fuel supply system. The guy who runs the marina told me the boat would now fail its safety, because of the way I installed the heater. Because of your work, I now know what to do in the New Year to rectify that problem, in-fact I have ordered all of the parts, ready to do that job. Thank you for everything....Derek
Thank you, im glad you haven't used the silencer they come with as they are not sealed and would have leaked fumes into your boat, glad it has helped thanks again :)
Not sure they will all still work but hopefully help you find what you need 😎 just so you know it's still going strong only thing I've had to replace was the pump, cheap 2 min job and was back up running in 2 mins lol
Great information and costs, So very pleased with all boat specification’s Was think of buying a all in one unit with built fuel tank, But have changed my plans Going to look at eBay this week. Thanks 👍👍
Yeah the all in ones are no good for boats, I think the link to the one I got is still live in the pinned post, it's still going strong and been faultless so can recommend that highly now.
Great Video. Thanks. I'm thinking about to install this kind of heater in my 38" Classic Dufour. Your list of quality parts is very useful for a beginners. PS : very hard for an Italian to catch all your English words..:-)
I'm jealous of all the room you have to work with. But that's Motorboats.... Same size sailboats have less room. And I am working with 22 foot. Haha. And boy that list of materials really helped me, especially that L plate for the engine. I bought one of those carry options with the built in tank and all, but it didn't fit anywhere so I took it apart to get to the heater and fit the tank elsewhere, but the mounting plate was missing. Can't blame anyone because you were supposed to use the frame with the feet... Oh man, I wouldn' have thought of an L plate. Obvious solution, but I was thinking DIY with wood somehow.... Ordered some parts now. The only thing I chuckle about a little is how you pronounce Eberspächer. As an english guy you definitely aren't at fault, but the german in me knows you are not even close to how you say it haha. Anyways: Warm winters and thank you for the video!
Fantastic, just what I needed to see before I decide whether to go for it. Would I be right in thinking you would use the boat engine hot water system to heat the boat while the engine is running and use the system you’ve shown when moored? Thanks again brilliant no nonsense video.
Great video and very detailed/ informative. Can I ask, the exhaust condenser you have, is there not the possibility that fumes can escape from that? I'm looking to do a boat install and my unit would be in the middle of the boat and all seemed well, up until the condenser which has made me pause for thought. Hence the question. :)
Hi the condenser coil part like a pigs tail, is filled with water it acts like a trap in your toilet to stop smells coming back up lol except this stops the exhaust fumes coming out of the pipe and then as it fills with condensation it will drip out into the bowl, theres no pressure in the exhaust so it carnt push past the water in the coil.
No not at all I thought the same when I first found out about them, ive tested mine without water in and you could see the smoke fly out like a steam kettle lol I then just dipped the coil in a cup of water and it instantly stopped so now I just regularly check it to make sure its still full but its been in about 4 months now and had some heavy use and its all been fine its not even had any condensation come out of it, mine is a short exhaust so I think I could have got away without one but I thought it best to fit it just incase and it will save soot problems in the exhaust in the long run.
Absolutely great video Thankyou just a question if you don’t mind regarding condense drain as I’m getting mixed messages. my exhaust run is about 700mm inc silencer (I’ve heard that if it’s under 2metres you don’t need to use one??) any help would be much appreciated
My run is probably the same length as yours and I've never seen any water come out of it so it's up to you I'd say, I just fitted one for peace of mind but at 50 quid it's defo up to you.
You don't need a silencer in the exhaust you can fit it without, but it makes a difference, my mate has a webasco on his boat with no silencer and when his is on you can hear it half way down the marina, mine with it on you can't hear the exhaust unless you are stood at the side of the boat.
great video - I am going to be doing something similar on my boat this summer (Hopefully) just getting various parts together - Can you recall what size holesaw you used on the exhaust skin fitting ?
My exhaust fitting had a 35mm bit that went through the hull so I used a 38mm hole saw then filled the gap with heat proof silicon just for extra protection but it was overkill as it doesn't even get warm lol www.ebay.co.uk/itm/232318806923
Great video ! Only question when you mounted your thru hull did you apply any silicon to it from the inside or outside. Or did u use something heat related Again thanks !!
The drain off at the exhaust lowest point is it permanently open? Just think about fumes getting into the boat. I'm fitting the same system and the exhaust has to go upwards a little.
Yes, when its fitted before you start it, fill a large cup full of water then lift the cup over the coil to the top of the pipe then lower the cup the water will be trapped in the loop and stop and fumes coming out, dont do what I did haha I started the heater the smoke shot out the pipe like a steam kettle I then lifted the cup of water over it and it stopped but it set all my alarms off haha so dont do that.
Thanks for the informative video. I'm a sailboat liveaboard and am hoping to get my heater installed before the Michigan winter sets in. Was really hoping that the deisel tank pickup install would be chronicled but oh well. Did you run into any hiccups drilling into the tank? And also, have you gotten a feel for how much fuel you're burning?
The diesel tank pickup install is in the video all be it brief, it was hard to film and do tasks, I need a camera man lol but I felt it didn't need too much detail as it really is straightforward, if you put some grease on the hole drill bit it will make most of the bits stick to the drill bit as you cut, stopping your fuel getting contaminated, obviously you won't get it all but youl get the majority, I also had a friend hold a hoover as I drilled this also sucked up the bits as it cut through, other than that there was no problems and my tank was full of fuel when I did it. Hope this helps.
I've had the heater running for weeks at a end running on high and low non stop on trips and at first I was concerned for what it may be using but when I first filled up from a week away I noticed no real difference in what I put in for the same trip before without a heater so now I don't really worry about the fuel it uses as its minimal.
Very nice video! Is there a danger that gases escape from the combustion inlet ( from back pressure?) and back to the compartment where the heater is? Is it safe to suck the breathing air from the compartment?
The combustion intake goes through the bulk head and into the engine bay for that exact reason, it's never happened tho, the heating air it sucks in is warmed up by the heat from the heater that locker gets warm when it's running, the exhaust is fully sealed so unless that failed it wouldn't suck any fumes into the air part, also incase something did go wrong there is a co and fire alarm next to the heater in that locker so if say the exhaust snapped lol they would go off instantly before it sucked enough through to cause any problems.
Thanks, glad it helped, best upgrade I've ever fitted to the boat 🤣 makes it comfortable in the winter instead of having a load of electric fan heaters wrapped in a blanket thinking why am I here in this weather 🤣
I shortened the supplied wires and upgraded to thicker cables to avoid any voltage drop, the live is connected to a in-line fuse then to a isolator switch, just for the heater, then from the isolator to the battery I used a large battery cable to connect to the battery live, the negative cable I upgraded and that runs direct to the battery bank and straight onto the negative terminal.
Glad it's helping, I know its a bit long winded lol but it should cover everything in the video, I did a quick tour video of it when it was fitted thats only 2 mins long haha it shows it running and all the parts so should show electrics on it too I think, it's been a while since I watched it 😆
Excellent, and very helpful video. Thank you for all the information. Just one question if I may, where did you get the chrome and glass fuel filter from?
It was off eBay, I didn't add that to the pinned post with links because depending where you fit the heater you can't use a glass filter in an engine bay so I only listed the correct kind which is a lot more expensive, but if not in an engine bay then look on eBay or a local motor spares shop will have them, hope that helps, my links in the pinned post probably don't all work now.
@@barnsleyboater Thanks. So if you can't fit a glass filter in the engine bay, nor a plastic one, can you recommend a suitable filter for siting in the engine bay please?
The link is on the pinned post with an explanation why but it's for the BSS, but this is the link to the proper filter suitable for an engine bay www.melloronline.co.uk/Heater_Installation_Accessories_/10707/Eberspacher_Marine_Fuel_Filter_for_use_with_3.5mm_Fuel_hose.html
The fuel stand pipe and shut off tap is from the same place so if you need all 3 will save on postage, the other items are also in the pinned post with links if you need them too 😍
I'm considering putting in a T after the filter that feeds my diesel genny so that the heater shares the filter that's already there. Any problems with that do you think? Did you consider teeing off after the filter to your engine?
I was originally going to T off my engine feed pipe but there was a reason I didn't which I carnt remember now not sure if thats OK for the bss and I also remember someone saying when engines running itd effect the fuel flow to the heater and cause problems, I dont know how true that is and carnt remember now why I gave it its own feed but I'm sure it was to do with the bss.
Yes, it still needs sealing to the bracket so definitely use it, just be careful not to over tighten the nuts to hold it down to the bracket, it can cause the fan to catch the casing and itl sound like a lollipop stick in a bicycle spokes 🤣
Can't get my head around how the standpipe seals in the tank with no internal access, I've found the eber' part and it says it has this feature, but how!!!? I'd also be very surprised if you really need that condensate drain with such a short exhaust run. Really appreciate the video though, thank you.
The plate wiggles in to the hole then you tighten the nut on the outside that clamps down to the tank with rubber seal, sealing it if you look on the eberspacher marine install instructions there's a diagram showing you
Theres a metal flap that goes into the tank with some wiggling then on the outside is a rubber seal and round metal bit to cover the hole, the nut on the outside tightens it all together so the flap on the inside grips the tank and the rubber seal and round bit clamps the outside stopping any leaks
@@barnsleyboater ah! It's the wiggly flap detail that I've missed! That makes sense. Thank you. I can't find that size fuel line from that supplier anymore, Mellor only sell it in very short lengths. I will keep hunting. Thank you.
Sorry to bother you again, I notice you don' use a copper fuel pipe at any point, I think you're 'getting away with it' because you've got such as short run from pump to heater, so it's not absorbing too much of the 'pulse'. I'm going to install this weekend, I am running a much shorter line to my tank but a 5mm bore. Your run is a long one, with 'flexible' pipe. As far as your install is concerned, you haven't seen any fueling issues?
The bss changed the rules so it doesn't have to be in copper as long as the fuel hose is rated to the iso7840 standard, which the one in the links is, but the smallest ID they do is 3.5mm, think the crap pipe supplied is 2mm, ive had no issues at all with the pipe I used, from tank to pump is about 2m tops then a short bit from pump to heater, ive never had a error code or any problems at all yet and it's now been in over a year, I go to my boat turn the isolator switch on, press on on the display and off it goes 😆 it amazes me to be fair 😆
Its no problem just be aware that 5mm ID pipe may be too large I think from tank to pump is OK but from pump to heater it may be too large and cause fuel issues, im not 100% sure on that as my memory of it all is getting foggy now as time goes on lol but bear it in mind incase issues arise, something is telling me in my tiny brain that 4mn is the max ID but I could have dreamt it 😆 let me know how it all goes, I'd also avoid priming it with the controller as most folk end up flooding the heaters and causing all kinds of problems, if you can manually prime it to the pump, then just turn it on it may fail a few times first but it will go, better to do that than flood it.
@@barnsleyboater I have got 5mm pipe to go from tank to pump but its a very short run, barely half a meter, if it proves a problem I will swap it. I plan to prime with the pump but with the end pointing at a bucket then once the system is full attach it to the heater. Might be tell tail if it's struggling with the bore
Because it's not in an engine bay, have a look at the pinned post I wasn't sure either as got conflicting info from different folk, I added a link to the correct filter for an engine bay too, the compartment it's in has a bulk head dividing it from the engine bay.
It would I guess if the bilge smells 🤣 mines bone dry in that compartment so don't get any smells, you could always put a length of pipe on the air in end and have that in your cabin with the air out vent, that would also recycle the warm air, making the heater work less and cabin warm up faster.
@@jonwallace7015 also if you did that, if anything went wrong with the exhaust and you hadn't got a co detector in the compartment it would stop it sucking fumes into the cabin too.
Sorry I've no idea on petrol boats it's no something I looked into, I know the tank they come with is no good as it's cheap plastic and degrades in sunlight, you may be best ringing a examiner and having a word with them.
It may be because the hatch was open, when the hatch is shut you can't hear it at all, my friend has the same boat as me with a webasco in the same position, he has no exhaust silencer and when his is on all the marina can hear it, my exhaust you can't hear unless you stick your head neat it.
Links to replacement parts for the BSS are in this pinned post, scroll down the updates :)
●●●●update 12/8/21 boats passed its saftey check so this video is correct!!!●●●●
☆☆☆☆UPDATE on the fuel filter my BSS examiner said a metal and glass fuel filter was ok as long as not in the engine bay, which it isn't, but I've had heater boat fitters telling me that glass is not allowed at all so to air on caution this is a link to a proper eberspacher marine filter this will fit the hose in the video so no change to fitting or anything else so if you want the correct one to save any conflicting between my bss bloke and marine fitters or its going in a engine bay then this is what you need, www.melloronline.co.uk/Heater_Installation_Accessories_/10707/Eberspacher_Marine_Fuel_Filter_for_use_with_3.5mm_Fuel_hose.html ☆☆☆☆
Im not going to list everything I bought just the main items.
Heater
www.ebay.co.uk/itm/303372625960
Heater bracket
www.ebay.co.uk/itm/EBERSPACHER-or-WEBASTO-heater-MARINE-Stainless-Steel-mount-bracket-41C0016-/280653941990?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&_trksid=p2349624.m2548.l6249&mkrid=710-127635-2958-0
Electricity isolator
www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Car-Marine-Boat-Cut-Off-Battery-Isolator-Switch-Removable-Knob-Kill-12V-24V-300A-/313617262065?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&_trksid=p2349624.m2548.l6249&mkrid=710-127635-2958-0
Hull exhaust outlet
www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Exhaust-outlet-backing-plate-fixings-for-Eberspacher-and-Webasto-Heater-24mm-/184983066604?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&_trksid=p2349624.m2548.l6249&mkrid=710-127635-2958-0
Exhaust pipe
www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Eberspacher-or-Webasto-Exhaust-Pipe-24mm-36061296-90394a-/274877669675?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&_trksid=p2349624.m2548.l6249&mkrid=710-127635-2958-0
Exhaust clamps
www.ebay.co.uk/itm/280841118338
Exhaust condenser drain
www.ebay.co.uk/itm/124077311156
This is for a straight condenser drain
www.ebay.co.uk/itm/114106037359
Exhaust wrap
www.ebay.co.uk/itm/233259964842
Marina Exhaust silencer
www.ebay.co.uk/itm/24MM-MARINE-AIRTIGHT-EXHAUST-SILENCER-FOR-EBERSPACHER-WEBASTO-DIESEL-HEATER-/124077311105?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&_trksid=p2349624.m2548.l6249&mkrid=710-127635-2958-0
ISO 7840 fuel line ( 8mm to 10mm fuel hose clips from same place)
www.hoseworld.com/5mm-3-16-i-d-marine-fuel-hose-mfh-035.html
Fuel shut off tap
www.melloronline.co.uk/Heater_Installation_Accessories_/10145/Eberspacher_Standpipe_Marine_Fuel_Stop_Tap_with_pipe_connector..html
Fuel stand pipe
www.melloronline.co.uk/Heater_Installation_Accessories_/908/Eberspacher_Marine_Fuel_Standpipe_600mm.html
Warm air duct 75mm 2m lengths and duct bends plus other accessories UK SELLER see listed items as they change the link each time its listed,
ebay.co.uk/usr/priggione
Air intake filter to replace the silencer
www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Air-Intake-Filter-Silencer-For-Dometic-Eberspacher-Webasto-Diesel-Heater-25mm-UK-/384265454707?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&_trksid=p2349624.m2548.l6249&mkrid=710-127635-2958-0
Maxitherm duct insulation
www.butlertechnik.com/eberspacher-maxitherm-insulation-75-80mm-wrap-p7
Any other stuff you can't find just ask, thanks
Hi
This has been a great help
I have ordered a few bits,but I'm struggling to find the fuel filter with the adaptors like yours,there are a lot of fixed ones.
I would be very greatfull if you could send the link.
Plus did you have any problems cutting into to diesel tank,like cut piece falling in.
Kind regards Sean
PYC ANDROMEDA
@@bubblebottoon hi if you use the same hole saw bit I used but take the spring off the drill bit the round part you cut out will stay stuck in the hole saw, cover the hole saw in grease all the swag will stick to it, also get a friend to hold the hoover around the bit as you drill this should stop most of it dropping into the tank you need to cut a 25mm hole if its the same stand pipe. This is a fuel filter just don't use the plastic ends www.ebay.co.uk/itm/252269696243
The barb fitting I bought is no longer on ebay but in my history it says I bought a 1/8"BSP brass taper male thread to 4mm barbed hose tail, i also used some ptfe type stuff on the threads. Hope this helps.
@@bubblebottoon also when fitting the fuel pipe over the barb fittings they are a very tight fit so get a cup of boiling water and stick the rubber pipe end in that for a minute it will then glide onto the barb fittings, they won't come off once on unless you cut it off :)
@@barnsleyboater thanks for the help again,top man!!
stay safe and happy boating.
Kind regards
Sean 👍🍺
@@bubblebottoon you are welcome and thanks 😊 you too.
Superb video. Thank you for posting and including such detailed explanations and equipment list. A massive help for myself and others considering this and aware it needs to pass BSS. Thank you for sharing.
Thank you, glad it helped :)
Brilliant video. Fantastic job on your boat. Many thanks for posting. I’ll be using this for reference on my Dutch barge installation. 👋👍
I've been looking for a video likd this as I've bought a diesel heater for my sailing boat and now hopefully I'll be able to install it to BSS standard. Thanks v. much.
I had already done quite some preparations for an installation of a diesel heater in our boat when I found your youtube video. Except for the fuel filter and some exhaust and hose clamps I had already ordered most parts via eBay and Amazon :-).
The challenge is to get the exhaust system gas leak free. After watching your installation I got the confirmation that I am already on the right track.
Thanks,
Walter.
Not a problem glad it helped you :)
Even though this video is 2 years old it's still consistent with today. The heater hasn't changed at all. Prices may have but you'd expect that I guess. Great video that needed to be this long because of the concise information of the content. A job well done and if anyone watching this is a narrow boater I'm sure you would save a small fortune using this system.
Thank you 😍 yes all the BSS stuff still stands and I think the heaters are still the same, they just may have different controllers now, btw it's still working faultlessly and has had zero problems so far, not one error code or false start and zero smoke 🤣 I'm amazed myself really after reading the Facebook groups 🤣🤣 thanks again glad it helped. The links in my pinned post probably need updating too.
Great video I've just bought an eberspacher d2 with no fitting kit, have started ordering various parts that would be right fot the Narrowboat BSC. So thank you for the video best I've found on line. P.S Have engine type fuel filter and tap doing nothing in engine room so job done.
Thanks 😎
This video gave me the confidence to install one in my westerly centaur. Will get a y connection to run heat into main cabin and also into forecabin where it can get quite cold. Thank you so much for the measurements on all accessories and what replacement parts i will need. Your set up is so good. Thank you again...
Thank-you :)
Did you do it yet? Where did you fit the unit? I have a Westerly Cirrus and was thinking under the quarterberth bunk. :)
Of course it's a difference between a 22f tboat and a 26ft boat, but Westerlys are sort of similar in shape and one can get ideas from bigger/smaller boats.
I just want to say what a cracking job you have done on this project and want to thank you for all of the knowledge you have shared. I fitted exactly the same heater on my boat and although I didn't use any of the exhaust pipe supplied and did use a quality skin fitting with exhaust lagging etc, I didn't swap out the silencer and I haven't put in the right quality fuel supply system. The guy who runs the marina told me the boat would now fail its safety, because of the way I installed the heater. Because of your work, I now know what to do in the New Year to rectify that problem, in-fact I have ordered all of the parts, ready to do that job. Thank you for everything....Derek
Thank you, im glad you haven't used the silencer they come with as they are not sealed and would have leaked fumes into your boat, glad it has helped thanks again :)
Cracking vid,inspired me to fit the 5kw Hcalory to our Princess 25. Thanks for the links to buy the parts as well.
Not sure they will all still work but hopefully help you find what you need 😎 just so you know it's still going strong only thing I've had to replace was the pump, cheap 2 min job and was back up running in 2 mins lol
Just found your brilliant video, just what I need to install the Hcalory 5kw on our Princess 25, will get the parts ordered
Thank you very much for this video. Much needed especially as you have taken the BSS requirements into consideration.
That is a great video. Well done.
Thanks 😊
Great information and costs, So very pleased with all boat specification’s
Was think of buying a all in one unit with built fuel tank, But have changed my plans
Going to look at eBay this week. Thanks 👍👍
Yeah the all in ones are no good for boats, I think the link to the one I got is still live in the pinned post, it's still going strong and been faultless so can recommend that highly now.
excellent, I have just bought a boat and want to fit one of these.
Great Video. Thanks. I'm thinking about to install this kind of heater in my 38" Classic Dufour. Your list of quality parts is very useful for a beginners. PS : very hard for an Italian to catch all your English words..:-)
I do apologise even English people have trouble understanding my accent 🙃 😄 I'm glad it helped a little :) 😃
I'm jealous of all the room you have to work with. But that's Motorboats.... Same size sailboats have less room. And I am working with 22 foot. Haha.
And boy that list of materials really helped me, especially that L plate for the engine. I bought one of those carry options with the built in tank and all, but it didn't fit anywhere so I took it apart to get to the heater and fit the tank elsewhere, but the mounting plate was missing. Can't blame anyone because you were supposed to use the frame with the feet... Oh man, I wouldn' have thought of an L plate. Obvious solution, but I was thinking DIY with wood somehow....
Ordered some parts now.
The only thing I chuckle about a little is how you pronounce Eberspächer. As an english guy you definitely aren't at fault, but the german in me knows you are not even close to how you say it haha.
Anyways: Warm winters and thank you for the video!
That will be my northern, Yorkshire accent 🤣🤣🤣 I'm surprised anyone can understand me without subtitles 🤣🤣 glad it helped 😀
Very good video
Fantastic, just what I needed to see before I decide whether to go for it. Would I be right in thinking you would use the boat engine hot water system to heat the boat while the engine is running and use the system you’ve shown when moored? Thanks again brilliant no nonsense video.
Yeah this is just a air heater you can run it while moving and engine on but it won't heat your water.
Great video and very detailed/ informative. Can I ask, the exhaust condenser you have, is there not the possibility that fumes can escape from that? I'm looking to do a boat install and my unit would be in the middle of the boat and all seemed well, up until the condenser which has made me pause for thought. Hence the question. :)
Hi the condenser coil part like a pigs tail, is filled with water it acts like a trap in your toilet to stop smells coming back up lol except this stops the exhaust fumes coming out of the pipe and then as it fills with condensation it will drip out into the bowl, theres no pressure in the exhaust so it carnt push past the water in the coil.
@@barnsleyboater Ah ok, so then it can't leak carbon monoxide, which is what I was mostly concerned about.
No not at all I thought the same when I first found out about them, ive tested mine without water in and you could see the smoke fly out like a steam kettle lol I then just dipped the coil in a cup of water and it instantly stopped so now I just regularly check it to make sure its still full but its been in about 4 months now and had some heavy use and its all been fine its not even had any condensation come out of it, mine is a short exhaust so I think I could have got away without one but I thought it best to fit it just incase and it will save soot problems in the exhaust in the long run.
Absolutely great video Thankyou just a question if you don’t mind regarding condense drain as I’m getting mixed messages. my exhaust run is about 700mm inc silencer (I’ve heard that if it’s under 2metres you don’t need to use one??) any help would be much appreciated
My run is probably the same length as yours and I've never seen any water come out of it so it's up to you I'd say, I just fitted one for peace of mind but at 50 quid it's defo up to you.
That's a proper Barnsley accent - t'owd lad :-)
Haha cheers, no hiding that no matter how hard you try lol
Fantastic help thank you.
I find the most noise comes from pump and the fan. Why do I need a marine exhaust please
You don't need a silencer in the exhaust you can fit it without, but it makes a difference, my mate has a webasco on his boat with no silencer and when his is on you can hear it half way down the marina, mine with it on you can't hear the exhaust unless you are stood at the side of the boat.
Thank you.
great video - I am going to be doing something similar on my boat this summer (Hopefully) just getting various parts together - Can you recall what size holesaw you used on the exhaust skin fitting ?
My exhaust fitting had a 35mm bit that went through the hull so I used a 38mm hole saw then filled the gap with heat proof silicon just for extra protection but it was overkill as it doesn't even get warm lol www.ebay.co.uk/itm/232318806923
Thanks for that much appreciated
Great video ! Only question when you mounted your thru hull did you apply any silicon to it from the inside or outside. Or did u use something heat related
Again thanks !!
The fitting came with a gasket thing but I did use some heat proof silicone too to help stop water getting behind it
The drain off at the exhaust lowest point is it permanently open? Just think about fumes getting into the boat. I'm fitting the same system and the exhaust has to go upwards a little.
It has water in the coil no fumes can escape, there is also a co and fire alarm fitted in that area incase anything should go amiss.
Hi great video just brought all the parts needed just have a question about the EXHAUST DRAIN ELBOW. Do you have to put water in the coiled pipe?
Yes, when its fitted before you start it, fill a large cup full of water then lift the cup over the coil to the top of the pipe then lower the cup the water will be trapped in the loop and stop and fumes coming out, dont do what I did haha I started the heater the smoke shot out the pipe like a steam kettle I then lifted the cup of water over it and it stopped but it set all my alarms off haha so dont do that.
where did you get the exhaust drain elbow
Thanks for the informative video. I'm a sailboat liveaboard and am hoping to get my heater installed before the Michigan winter sets in. Was really hoping that the deisel tank pickup install would be chronicled but oh well. Did you run into any hiccups drilling into the tank? And also, have you gotten a feel for how much fuel you're burning?
The diesel tank pickup install is in the video all be it brief, it was hard to film and do tasks, I need a camera man lol but I felt it didn't need too much detail as it really is straightforward, if you put some grease on the hole drill bit it will make most of the bits stick to the drill bit as you cut, stopping your fuel getting contaminated, obviously you won't get it all but youl get the majority, I also had a friend hold a hoover as I drilled this also sucked up the bits as it cut through, other than that there was no problems and my tank was full of fuel when I did it. Hope this helps.
I've had the heater running for weeks at a end running on high and low non stop on trips and at first I was concerned for what it may be using but when I first filled up from a week away I noticed no real difference in what I put in for the same trip before without a heater so now I don't really worry about the fuel it uses as its minimal.
@@barnsleyboater all good info, thanks again.
No problem thank you :)
Very nice video! Is there a danger that gases escape from the combustion inlet ( from back pressure?) and back to the compartment where the heater is? Is it safe to suck the breathing air from the compartment?
The combustion intake goes through the bulk head and into the engine bay for that exact reason, it's never happened tho, the heating air it sucks in is warmed up by the heat from the heater that locker gets warm when it's running, the exhaust is fully sealed so unless that failed it wouldn't suck any fumes into the air part, also incase something did go wrong there is a co and fire alarm next to the heater in that locker so if say the exhaust snapped lol they would go off instantly before it sucked enough through to cause any problems.
@@barnsleyboater Thanks really informative!
Thanks, glad it helped, best upgrade I've ever fitted to the boat 🤣 makes it comfortable in the winter instead of having a load of electric fan heaters wrapped in a blanket thinking why am I here in this weather 🤣
Hi great video. One question, did you connect the electrics straight to the battery? Thanks
I shortened the supplied wires and upgraded to thicker cables to avoid any voltage drop, the live is connected to a in-line fuse then to a isolator switch, just for the heater, then from the isolator to the battery I used a large battery cable to connect to the battery live, the negative cable I upgraded and that runs direct to the battery bank and straight onto the negative terminal.
@@barnsleyboater thanks for the prompt and detailed reply. It's helping me a lot as is your great video 😊
Glad it's helping, I know its a bit long winded lol but it should cover everything in the video, I did a quick tour video of it when it was fitted thats only 2 mins long haha it shows it running and all the parts so should show electrics on it too I think, it's been a while since I watched it 😆
Excellent, and very helpful video. Thank you for all the information. Just one question if I may, where did you get the chrome and glass fuel filter from?
It was off eBay, I didn't add that to the pinned post with links because depending where you fit the heater you can't use a glass filter in an engine bay so I only listed the correct kind which is a lot more expensive, but if not in an engine bay then look on eBay or a local motor spares shop will have them, hope that helps, my links in the pinned post probably don't all work now.
@@barnsleyboater Thanks.
So if you can't fit a glass filter in the engine bay, nor a plastic one, can you recommend a suitable filter for siting in the engine bay please?
The link is on the pinned post with an explanation why but it's for the BSS, but this is the link to the proper filter suitable for an engine bay www.melloronline.co.uk/Heater_Installation_Accessories_/10707/Eberspacher_Marine_Fuel_Filter_for_use_with_3.5mm_Fuel_hose.html
The fuel stand pipe and shut off tap is from the same place so if you need all 3 will save on postage, the other items are also in the pinned post with links if you need them too 😍
@@barnsleyboater Excellent thanks, that's saved me a lot of wasted time.
I'm considering putting in a T after the filter that feeds my diesel genny so that the heater shares the filter that's already there. Any problems with that do you think? Did you consider teeing off after the filter to your engine?
I was originally going to T off my engine feed pipe but there was a reason I didn't which I carnt remember now not sure if thats OK for the bss and I also remember someone saying when engines running itd effect the fuel flow to the heater and cause problems, I dont know how true that is and carnt remember now why I gave it its own feed but I'm sure it was to do with the bss.
@@barnsleyboater in any case, thanks for the informative video and the useful links. I've started orderering bits already.
No problem :) glad it helped
Hello pal. did you use the rubber gasket between the heater and bracket . Thanks
Yes, it still needs sealing to the bracket so definitely use it, just be careful not to over tighten the nuts to hold it down to the bracket, it can cause the fan to catch the casing and itl sound like a lollipop stick in a bicycle spokes 🤣
Top man. yeh now i see its there to make it air tight. Cheers pal👍👍
@@sdn1528 no worries 👍
I just randomly found this video you are PRIGGY
Can't get my head around how the standpipe seals in the tank with no internal access, I've found the eber' part and it says it has this feature, but how!!!? I'd also be very surprised if you really need that condensate drain with such a short exhaust run. Really appreciate the video though, thank you.
The plate wiggles in to the hole then you tighten the nut on the outside that clamps down to the tank with rubber seal, sealing it if you look on the eberspacher marine install instructions there's a diagram showing you
@@barnsleyboater thank you, I'll check again I couldn't find a diagram. Does it expand like a fitting in a brick wall?
Theres a metal flap that goes into the tank with some wiggling then on the outside is a rubber seal and round metal bit to cover the hole, the nut on the outside tightens it all together so the flap on the inside grips the tank and the rubber seal and round bit clamps the outside stopping any leaks
@@barnsleyboater ah! It's the wiggly flap detail that I've missed! That makes sense. Thank you. I can't find that size fuel line from that supplier anymore, Mellor only sell it in very short lengths. I will keep hunting. Thank you.
Its there www.hoseworld.com/5mm-3-16-i-d-marine-fuel-hose-mfh-035.html
Sorry to bother you again, I notice you don' use a copper fuel pipe at any point, I think you're 'getting away with it' because you've got such as short run from pump to heater, so it's not absorbing too much of the 'pulse'. I'm going to install this weekend, I am running a much shorter line to my tank but a 5mm bore. Your run is a long one, with 'flexible' pipe. As far as your install is concerned, you haven't seen any fueling issues?
The bss changed the rules so it doesn't have to be in copper as long as the fuel hose is rated to the iso7840 standard, which the one in the links is, but the smallest ID they do is 3.5mm, think the crap pipe supplied is 2mm, ive had no issues at all with the pipe I used, from tank to pump is about 2m tops then a short bit from pump to heater, ive never had a error code or any problems at all yet and it's now been in over a year, I go to my boat turn the isolator switch on, press on on the display and off it goes 😆 it amazes me to be fair 😆
@@barnsleyboater if you're ever in North Wales and fancy a sail or just a pint, let me know, I owe you, thank you very much for all this info.
Its no problem just be aware that 5mm ID pipe may be too large I think from tank to pump is OK but from pump to heater it may be too large and cause fuel issues, im not 100% sure on that as my memory of it all is getting foggy now as time goes on lol but bear it in mind incase issues arise, something is telling me in my tiny brain that 4mn is the max ID but I could have dreamt it 😆 let me know how it all goes, I'd also avoid priming it with the controller as most folk end up flooding the heaters and causing all kinds of problems, if you can manually prime it to the pump, then just turn it on it may fail a few times first but it will go, better to do that than flood it.
@@barnsleyboater I have got 5mm pipe to go from tank to pump but its a very short run, barely half a meter, if it proves a problem I will swap it. I plan to prime with the pump but with the end pointing at a bucket then once the system is full attach it to the heater. Might be tell tail if it's struggling with the bore
Good idea it won't flood then :) I carnt see any problems there :)
How did you manage to get away with glass bodied fuel filter. My examiner would not even let me have glass bowl type ?
Because it's not in an engine bay, have a look at the pinned post I wasn't sure either as got conflicting info from different folk, I added a link to the correct filter for an engine bay too, the compartment it's in has a bulk head dividing it from the engine bay.
where did you get the rubber mount for the pump?
It comes in the kit with the heater, the silicon coasters I used to attach the rubber mount to the bulk head I got off ebay for about £3.
Will it pull in the smell from the bilge
It would I guess if the bilge smells 🤣 mines bone dry in that compartment so don't get any smells, you could always put a length of pipe on the air in end and have that in your cabin with the air out vent, that would also recycle the warm air, making the heater work less and cabin warm up faster.
@@barnsleyboater thanks
@@jonwallace7015 also if you did that, if anything went wrong with the exhaust and you hadn't got a co detector in the compartment it would stop it sucking fumes into the cabin too.
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I'd say 95% lol but like I did you can sell the stuff you don't need on ebay.
Hello . My boat is petrol .do you have any ideas on what fuel tank i would need for the diesel to comply with BSS.. thanks pal..
Sorry I've no idea on petrol boats it's no something I looked into, I know the tank they come with is no good as it's cheap plastic and degrades in sunlight, you may be best ringing a examiner and having a word with them.
Great vid .. It sounds so noisy . Or is that just on the camera .
It may be because the hatch was open, when the hatch is shut you can't hear it at all, my friend has the same boat as me with a webasco in the same position, he has no exhaust silencer and when his is on all the marina can hear it, my exhaust you can't hear unless you stick your head neat it.