Vaultek stands behind our customers and products 100%. We are aware of the exploit, and shortly after the release of this video (February 2020) we put in place effective solutions to address Lifepod's programming function. We sent free upgrade kits to existing customers, and all LifePods produced and shipping since then have been upgraded with new firmware to disable the program button when locked. We're listening and will make every effort to continually improve our products. Any additional inquiries can be directed to our support team for more information.
Great of you to fix the issue, just remember as a company it's your responsibility to make sure mistakes like this do not happen as it's a potentially deadly mistake. But good on you for responding and taking quick action you have my full respect.
That really has to hurt, when you're the one responsible for that. They seem to have put some thought into it by even making it possible to disable the mechanical override, but then they were defeated by such an easy to avoid error.
It looks like the lock can't check whether the lid is closed or not. That wouldn't matter much if the button was actually inaccessible from the outside, but there we are. A way to fix that in software would be to require the current code when the reset button is pushed before allowing to punch in a new code.
All we have to do is go to the ozone layer of our atmosphere and run the lock against our hair. This will cause the mechanism to have a chemical reaction that paired with the static of our hair will make the lock open
@@DocRorshack Hope LPL posts another video opening it again with the "fix" installed. If one can get a fork in that far, a sturdy pry tool should pop it right open. If nothing else, it could knock off the "plastic bit adhered over the button". What a joke.
@@shteebo Vaultek changed the firmware on all current stock after this video was made making the program button not work when the case is locked the cover was the only solution for products already in use.
Until finally it can only be opened by Indiana Jones in a temple at a certain time of day shining the sun on it through a rare and expensive crystal on a stick.
One minute you're safe in your vault waiting for the bombs to stop falling, the next minute you can vaguely hear someone outside the enormous rotating door going "1 is binding... got a good click on 2..."
The same joke on every video. Don’t get me wrong it’s still funny all 14 hundred some times, just it’s literally every video. Not the same viewer but….
@@junoperberry I think they meant there's a joke comment on every video where the punchline is "1 is binding 2 is something etc." Admittedly this was one of the better ones
People just need to start hiring this guy for their lock companies and tell him to break into the lock and show us what needs to be fixed. Screw “Professional Lock Pick Tested” I want “Lockpickinglawyer Tested”
Lock companies want to sell illusion of security. That illusion doesn't cost much to produce if its made of thin steel and cheaply produced. People are more sensative to price than anything else. Cheaper things will allways sell more than expensive things. Lock companies are incentivised to make cheap locks.
thing is the vaults were built to code. The problem was that a corrupt government for retarted reasons wanted to run social experiments many of which were cruel and pointless when they should have been focusing on saving as many lives as practically possible
Physical security is always just a matter of time and force. No physical security is ever going to be resilient to the ultimately equipped and determined attacker. But is the security measure good enough that overcoming it takes too much time and/or force to be worthwhile to expected attackers? If so, it's a good physical security measure. In that sense, a paper envelope is almost always an adequate physical security measure to protect the information inside. Very little time and effort to attack, but the contents very likely have virtually no value to anyone but the intended recipient. What LPL does is show up physical security that falls short of its requirements. A small Master Lock on an expensive bike is probably worse physical security than a paper envelope. Given how important it is to guard firearms, gun safes should be held at a much higher standard.
Yes and no, i mean, I'd see it more as constructive criticism in just this case. Compared how he can burn a whole lock company. it's just one flaw, when he compliments at the same time about the other items.
If it were quality you could not open it enough to stick a fork in... I mean a little bit of overlap and a bit tighter tolerances and you could not access that button when closed.
@@etherealicer Quality and cheap enough for most people just don't fit. The cheaper solution is those clasps. Unfortunately they can be opened without unlocking it. Also the reality of it being a 4 digit lock with only 4 possible numbers for each means its pretty vulnerable to a brute force attack regardless. Only 256 possible combinations which someone could go through in about 20 minutes if they really wanted in.
@@ykhenessey3924 you're probably thinking that each digit counts as 10, which is false, since you only have 4 combinations per input. Since you're only allowed 4 inputs, the total combinations is 256. If they required 6 inputs (as in a 6 digit pin), then it would go up slightly to 4^6, which is 4096. If they had 8 combinations per input, even with the same 4 inputs, you'd get 8^4, which is also 4096. I personally wouldn't trust such a thing even without the fork exploit. It might prevent a child from unlocking it easily, but probably wouldn't stop anyone that wants to take what's inside.
@Seth Organ My favorite LPL line was from when he picked a lock with a Christmas ornament: "I could have probably opened this lock with a stale Dorito."
I'm just imagining a board meeting at Vaultek discussing this fault: "Ok, the LifePod has passed our test stage. I don't think there is any way the average consumer will be able to open this safe" _"but what if they have a fork?"_
@@afnDavid What kind of stupid statement is that? people aren't going to buy a product they know is faulty so the company will make less money. Their interest is obviously in making money so they will obviously want to fix it. All they would have to do is a simple update on whatever kind of controller they are using for the lock that says if its locked then disable reprogramming switch
@@Johnof1000Suns ^this make me laugh thinking about a comment in The Outer World video where the suggested swapping "It's not the best choice, it's SpacerChoice" and "Aunt cleo, Better than nature" with "Bethesda, it just works" and "EA sport, it's in the cash" 😂
Working in product development myself,this kind of highlighting of possible design flaws is amazingly helpful. You're doing the locking industry a big favour with your videos.
I've recently been recommended a lot of gun locks from LPL in my recommendations (ironic that I don't even own a gun), and I love seeing the comparision between this particular video and the others: The others always emphasize on being a bad design and terrible flaws (wafer, magnets or both), and yet this one is loaded with high security features and only a single, careless flaw, not to mention it could have a quick fix by putting on a lid, the maker even took the video as constructive criticism. It's great
One of the most fascinating things about this channel to me is the fluidity / dexterity with which this guy does everything. I know he probably has to do multiple takes often like anyone else, but even the way he puts in a code like “1234” is just slightly abnormally smooth and satisfying to watch
Can you imagine working hard to develop a new product and then you see it on a thumbnail of LPL. "Oh noo, nonononooo", you give it a chance and look at the title "picked with a fork".. fuuuuck that must be tough
I want to see TLPL do a series on these sort of boxes & locks called "tested by tantruming toddler" to see just how secure these safes are at keeping children out
LPL, you are a total savage genius. Companies should consult with you, before they role out any product. Issues like you demonstrated here would be reconciled right away during the R&D process. Good work!
You mustn't have watched many LPL videos to think that. He doesn't need to take the piss. Still waiting for him to open something with a banana though.
This is why I REALLY want him to do some recommendations!! Though I DO remember a video of how for under $5 you can take tools for those quicklock locks for door locks and make them very difficult to pick. Seriously, I would LOVE to see him go "Now here's how to make your home and valuables are ACTUALLY safe...." Instead of just going "Look at how laughably easy this is!" or "Look at how easy this is if you have the right tools!"
Awesome video and awesome that the company fixed this. And hey, I'm sure it'd be pretty easy to cover the bottom with something to protect it if that's the lock's only flaw.
@@lilpeach101 True because I don't think most people would give a second thought to making sure their firmware was up to date on a product like this. It shouldn't have to be.
That would only be possible if there is already a sensor that detects if it is locked or not. And if they were smart enough to install that sensor, why would they not have used it?
Wouldn't work without a switch/sensor to detect if the lid has opened, the software in these thing will power a solenoid for a brief period and expecting you to open the case while the solenoid is retracted, after that it will just go back to sleep, it doesn't know if the lid has been re-closed or not
There's something amazingly mind-boggling about safes that have such fundamental flaws, and the way you point it out by using a fork of all things, is just brilliant. I hope the people who designed the safe watches this and learn a good lesson about what not to do in the future.
They did. They replied with a software fix. This won't allow the reset button to do anything when the case is locked. Now I'm sure there's gonna be a way to bypass that as well if someone really wants to find a way.
@@ratataran But what about the key lock that's next to it that disables the physical lock? That looks kinda like it's hardware-based. Granted, you'd still have to pick the lock after disabling it.
Just found this product was extremely interested. Instantly came to see if LPL had already had his hands on it. After seeing how the company responded, definitely going to get me one.
Now you're really getting creative! Forks, Spoons, Red Bull cans, etc. Let me guess that you make the big money as a consultant for these brands or their competition? Brilliant, mate! Good on ya. Personally, I have no desire to learn how to pick locks. I just find the inevitable outcome in these videos kind of soothing and satisfying.
Just got one at Costco, it's got a little different design but seems the same, good quality box. Happy to see the reply that the firmware has been improved, probably would have kept it anyway but glad it's no longer easily forkable.
The real question: "Is this just a software issue?" If I were on the board of directors for this company I would have this fixed and a pre-production revision in the mail to LPL within 24 hours, with a few hundred dollars cash inside a locked box and a nice note challenging him to try again. If the microcontroller inside has a reliable method of detecting that the system is locked and closed, then it will be very easy to disable the button when the box is closed. If this is done, and the barrel lock can be disabled digitally, the only potential way to open a box after forgetting the code will be either destructive, or waiting on the battery to discharge assuming someone was smart enough to create a battery discharge threshold that relinquishes control to the mechanical lock before shutting down from low power. The circuit that takes control might be some kind of latching relay that only requires power to change states, (or maybe not, as that has it's own magnetic attack vulnerabilities). If a relay like circuit is not flipped due to low battery life, I think the only way left to get inside is destructive. -Jake
I think you buried the lede. The real question is: "Is there a microswitch to detect if the lid is open?" It might be easy to explain how to and update software, but without knowing if the lid is open the only options are engineering some fix, and sending it to each safe owner.
It’s certainly more economical to frame this as a software issue, but the introduction of more complexity (even if it’s as slight as checking that the device is actually open) may actually provide a new attack vector or a new point of failure. For instance, we might be able to trick the microcontroller into thinking that the safe is open, and then we can push the button.
I would disable EVERYTHING. Run out of battery? Too bad. No port, no nothing. Now you have to cut it open. You want secure, there you go. If you're not responsible Enough to check the battery every couple of months, you're not responsible enough to have a firearm.
I was about to buy this case and thought, "I'll check CZcams". And of course LPL defeated it with a fork in seconds. I see Vaultek responded quickly and offered up a fix. It's nice to see companies work to improve their products when there's an obvious issue. I'll probably still buy it as it's mostly to keep inquisitive kids out and for quick transport. Nice job LPL! And, entertaining!
I bought one of these for my new Camaro since I have to secure my weapon before I go into my work place. This is ten times more secure than the standard glove box and the cable is attached to the bottom of my passenger seat so I can slide it under and out of sight.
Even if they did, they would have done nothing about it. The chances that nobody in the whole development and production chain did not realize this are slim, yet nobody cared or if did, the company didn't care. It takes a viral video these days to get things done, unfortunately. And I must say the LPL is doing far more good with these videos.
Gun safes like this are more about preventing immediate access than they are about preventing access "no matter what" like a large safe you would bolt to your floor. The latter is something you'd have in your home to ensure no unauthorized access can occur like children. Travel safes like this are more for your car/truck in order to prevent it from being used/seen before you get to it
If he never showed this video no one trying to break into it would know that unless they had one to learn this exploit. It has to already be open to find that out about its reprogram button
Even though this is a very simple tool to get into this safe, you would need prior knowledge of this very specific issue to pull it off, and if you are breaking into a tiny gun safe like this, I doubt you would be the most intelligent person around. Even considering this, the company fixed this issue which is very admirable.
I was gonna buy this ,then saw the vid changed my mind ,then sat and read the comments and Vaulteks response and changed my mind again ,at least they admmited it right away and are trying to fix it and learn from their mistakes , wish other companies were like this
Just seen my first ad at the start of a LPL, good on you! They may only be 2 minute clips but I binge watch all of them and if any CZcams deserves ad rev it's you!
So, much like a top shelf, the only protection this gives, is that my children cant be bothered going to the kitchen for an easily accessible tool to access it.
@@ExplosionChimp This dilemma has been explained many times before. Both children and thieves have more time than you do to figure out schemes and flaws in security devices; and will eventually exploit them. With, or without your knowledge. These videos and the many like it serve as a defense for the average Joe unknowingly buying faulty products. Unto which criminals and curious children make short work of regardless if there is a "tutorial" or not.
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Vaultek stands behind our customers and products 100%. We are aware of the exploit, and shortly after the release of this video (February 2020) we put in place effective solutions to address Lifepod's programming function. We sent free upgrade kits to existing customers, and all LifePods produced and shipping since then have been upgraded with new firmware to disable the program button when locked. We're listening and will make every effort to continually improve our products. Any additional inquiries can be directed to our support team for more information.
I accidentally ended up on this video, 5 hours after the manufacturer responded.
that's crazy this just showed up
He opened it with a fork tho lmao
Great of you to fix the issue, just remember as a company it's your responsibility to make sure mistakes like this do not happen as it's a potentially deadly mistake. But good on you for responding and taking quick action you have my full respect.
@@THEJPR Yeah, wotttt. What's the chances.
LockPickingLawyer: The manufacturers made a rookie mistake, creating a lock on the same plane of existence as me.
Underrated comment
Question, is there a lock LPL hasn't open?
@@carbonwolf1087 LPL has opened every lock, he just hasn't recorded videos for them yet.
@@DoubtlessCar0 lol fair enough
LOL
These guys took the “g” out of gunsafe.
underrated
gunderrated
@@ZartaxtheWise lol true
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
i get it
Lol nice!
finds a design flaw
*looking around his house
“what’s the dumbest object i can break this lock with ?”
Bruh
@@Dougy take your useless "Bruh" comment elsewhere.
its about as useful as master lock.
@@darkshadowsx5949 Bruh
@@darkshadowsx5949 bruh
@@darkshadowsx5949 bruh
He’s getting closer and closer to being able to sneeze at a lock and it opens
I think many fingerprint scanners could be fooled with a good sneeze.
One day he will be powerful enough to open locks by gently slapping them
Metlyze you mean ‘snapping’ 😉
I feel like it's just a matter of him not having looked hard enough for a Chinese lock that allows this to happen
@@metlyze7124 Davie504
The real facepalm moment is that the safe even lets you reprogram the ELECTRONIC code when it’s LOCKED 🤦🏻♂️.
good catch
That really has to hurt, when you're the one responsible for that. They seem to have put some thought into it by even making it possible to disable the mechanical override, but then they were defeated by such an easy to avoid error.
thats my main issue
what kind of program lets you reprogram the code while locked
It looks like the lock can't check whether the lid is closed or not. That wouldn't matter much if the button was actually inaccessible from the outside, but there we are.
A way to fix that in software would be to require the current code when the reset button is pushed before allowing to punch in a new code.
SteelSkin667 good point, but I would say that’s also maybe a design flaw...
“Unfortunately this can be defeated by 3 molecules of oxygen and a strand of hair
😂
ok
All we have to do is go to the ozone layer of our atmosphere and run the lock against our hair. This will cause the mechanism to have a chemical reaction that paired with the static of our hair will make the lock open
So...u need ozone for that? Cuz that's 03.
Ah crap don't worry guys i accepted I'm crinj
@@treatoplease3479 o3*
I just got the email from Vaultek. They are sending out an attachment that will block the button. Well Done, Vaultek! and Thank you LPL!
What was that attachment? Can you post a photo?
@@champ315 I can not post a picture... Don't think I can in a comment. It is a plastic bit with a door that adheres over the button.
@@DocRorshack That's ok. thanks.
@@DocRorshack Hope LPL posts another video opening it again with the "fix" installed. If one can get a fork in that far, a sturdy pry tool should pop it right open. If nothing else, it could knock off the "plastic bit adhered over the button". What a joke.
@@shteebo Vaultek changed the firmware on all current stock after this video was made making the program button not work when the case is locked the cover was the only solution for products already in use.
Imaging being a lock company manager, and see LPL uploaded a video, the thumbnail is your company's product and a fork
Sweat time
Horror story
You sigh in relief. He had to use a fork! You've made one of the greatest locks of all time.
@@IAm18PercentCarbon ....you’re joking right?
That's pretty cringe :'(
VaulTek: fixed
LPL: here's how you get into it using just a spoon...
Jonathan Boler best Comment 😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂
@Pseudo X Vaultek:fixed
LPL:here's now you open it using a cat
VaulTek- fixed
LPL- here's how to open it with a box of rocks
Until finally it can only be opened by Indiana Jones in a temple at a certain time of day shining the sun on it through a rare and expensive crystal on a stick.
One minute you're safe in your vault waiting for the bombs to stop falling, the next minute you can vaguely hear someone outside the enormous rotating door going "1 is binding... got a good click on 2..."
Heh/
The same joke on every video. Don’t get me wrong it’s still funny all 14 hundred some times, just it’s literally every video. Not the same viewer but….
@@evelbill1439 thats called tradition
@@evelbill1439 people make jokes about fallout on all of his videos?
@@junoperberry I think they meant there's a joke comment on every video where the punchline is "1 is binding 2 is something etc."
Admittedly this was one of the better ones
The fact that he didn't open the Vaultek safe with a Bobby pin feels like a huge missed opportunity.
Underrated comment!
@@mallobag Not really
@@kris-ok8fl yeah really
@@kris-ok8fl it’s a fallout reference. You didn’t get it
@@MrSolidBlakeGaming i know
People just need to start hiring this guy for their lock companies and tell him to break into the lock and show us what needs to be fixed. Screw “Professional Lock Pick Tested” I want “Lockpickinglawyer Tested”
Agree and Very good point
Lock companies want to sell illusion of security.
That illusion doesn't cost much to produce if its made of thin steel and cheaply produced.
People are more sensative to price than anything else. Cheaper things will allways sell more than expensive things.
Lock companies are incentivised to make cheap locks.
The problem isn't they dont know its that they dont care
They can say it's professionally tested by a locksmith.. They don't have to say how quickstep broke into it lol...
Locks only keep out the honest folk.
Company ceo be like
" *WHAT THE FORK* "
more like " I DON'T GIVE A FORK "
WHAT? THE FORK!?
HITESH ADHIKARI 😂😂😂
😂😂
CaptainSparcklez be like "what the fork?!"
When he said "let's try to find that button" and slid the fork in, I could swear he was gonna jokingly say "click on one"
Lol same
💀💀💀💀💀
Every day we get closer to the Fallout universe, including Vault-tec making vaults that aren't always up to code
thing is the vaults were built to code. The problem was that a corrupt government for retarted reasons wanted to run social experiments many of which were cruel and pointless when they should have been focusing on saving as many lives as practically possible
@@RocketHarry865 It wasn't government, was Vaultek themselves.
I was about to say haha
Should stick to nuclear bunkers and not gun safes lol
@@calculator1841 The government was involved. The Enclave part of it, anyways.
The day I see LPL pick a lock with a banana I'll just give up on physical security
Frozen bananas are quite solid, and could probably open some of the more poorly made padlocks with a little "percussive maintenance"...
This needs to happen lmao
I think that could be a good April Fools' video.
Bump key + frozen banana mallet = LPL's breakfast
Physical security is always just a matter of time and force. No physical security is ever going to be resilient to the ultimately equipped and determined attacker. But is the security measure good enough that overcoming it takes too much time and/or force to be worthwhile to expected attackers? If so, it's a good physical security measure.
In that sense, a paper envelope is almost always an adequate physical security measure to protect the information inside. Very little time and effort to attack, but the contents very likely have virtually no value to anyone but the intended recipient.
What LPL does is show up physical security that falls short of its requirements. A small Master Lock on an expensive bike is probably worse physical security than a paper envelope. Given how important it is to guard firearms, gun safes should be held at a much higher standard.
Imagine hearing the words rookie mistake about your lock from LPL it's gotta hurt
yeah, even i felt bad for them :))
Like a fork to the heart
Yes and no, i mean, I'd see it more as constructive criticism in just this case. Compared how he can burn a whole lock company. it's just one flaw, when he compliments at the same time about the other items.
Jenkins!!!!! You're fired!
Not everyone is sensitive.
wow - a company that addresses flaws quickly - world needs more of these!
Luke: My lightsaber is in this locker and I don't know the combination!
Obi-Wan's ghost: Use the forks, Luke!
how is this not the top comment xd
most underrated comment on this video!!
@@RipOffline Because this video was made 1 year ago and this comment was made 3 months ago.
LMAO. Nice!
Hmmm, the snark is strong with this one… let your heart fill with pun! Ok that sucked but this comment should get a pin in second place 🥈
I remember when VaultTec built locks capable of withstanding a direct nuclear strike. How the mighty have fallen.
That was by 2077. These are their early days of building locks to keep people trapped in experiments.
Was looking for this reference
To be entirely fair even one of the vaults didnt quite close all the way...
@@Gr3nadgr3gory that was on purpose though....
@@prestonsamson3674 at least that's the official story and they're sticking to it!
Vaultek: Let's make a quality portable gun safe that is very difficult to get into with illegitimate means.
LPL: So I got this fork...
If it were quality you could not open it enough to stick a fork in... I mean a little bit of overlap and a bit tighter tolerances and you could not access that button when closed.
@@etherealicer Quality and cheap enough for most people just don't fit. The cheaper solution is those clasps. Unfortunately they can be opened without unlocking it. Also the reality of it being a 4 digit lock with only 4 possible numbers for each means its pretty vulnerable to a brute force attack regardless. Only 256 possible combinations which someone could go through in about 20 minutes if they really wanted in.
@@alexsis1778 arent there 5555 possible combinations tho?
@@ykhenessey3924 nope, 4^4 = 256
@@ykhenessey3924 you're probably thinking that each digit counts as 10, which is false, since you only have 4 combinations per input. Since you're only allowed 4 inputs, the total combinations is 256. If they required 6 inputs (as in a 6 digit pin), then it would go up slightly to 4^6, which is 4096. If they had 8 combinations per input, even with the same 4 inputs, you'd get 8^4, which is also 4096. I personally wouldn't trust such a thing even without the fork exploit. It might prevent a child from unlocking it easily, but probably wouldn't stop anyone that wants to take what's inside.
At this point LPL is just setting the world record for most locks opened with household items.
The S in Vaulttek is for Security, the C is for competence.
awesome man
"I once saw him pick a lock with a fork, a f**king fork!"
Yes I have just watched John Wick for the millionth time
save that for when he uses a pencil... we know it's coming...
a forking fork
WHO DOES THAT?!?
2:10 “in any case” man, that’s deep
@Seth Organ My favorite LPL line was from when he picked a lock with a Christmas ornament: "I could have probably opened this lock with a stale Dorito."
Matthew L please, please hook a picker up with a link. I need to laugh too
Some more quotations thank goodness we have smart people here.
@@jaythatguyyouknow5135 czcams.com/video/tPXqTQsk5o4/video.html
Adrian Kinny, my picker!
Damn, vaultek handled this really well. Love to see it
"Why a FORK, Cousin?" - "Because it would HURT more!" lol
I see what you did there, even if no one else does.
Great villain, but the accents were kinda bad
@@CWPTraining They were! lol
Too funny.
"I'm going to use a standard fork in 5/32" to provide reset button pressure..."
"First I'll get this fork that Bosnian Bill and I made..."
I'm just imagining a board meeting at Vaultek discussing this fault:
"Ok, the LifePod has passed our test stage. I don't think there is any way the average consumer will be able to open this safe"
_"but what if they have a fork?"_
Frabbachino I know I mean look at the faults in their nuclear bunker plan that didn’t work very well
This assumes that the manufacturer even cares.
@@afnDavid I know, right?! But with videos like this, with lots of view, it may get them to care when their pockets take a hit.
@@afnDavid What kind of stupid statement is that? people aren't going to buy a product they know is faulty so the company will make less money. Their interest is obviously in making money so they will obviously want to fix it.
All they would have to do is a simple update on whatever kind of controller they are using for the lock that says if its locked then disable reprogramming switch
@@TriMarko Or even easier. Add the need to enter the old passcode and then enter the new
One of these days we'll hear "This is the lockpicking lawyer and I will open this lock by giving it a mean look."
I love how fault finding is such an effortless feat for you. Truly amazing.
Vaultec security always had flaws.
To think that I could take their "Cryolator" out of their gun lock with just a dog..
Damn Bethesda.
hahaha
It just works
@@Johnof1000Suns ^this make me laugh thinking about a comment in The Outer World video where the suggested swapping "It's not the best choice, it's SpacerChoice" and "Aunt cleo, Better than nature" with "Bethesda, it just works" and "EA sport, it's in the cash" 😂
Funny, I tried it several times and never got it to work. I guess dogmeat knows I hate him.
@@TheTheJimJim Those ones and zeros gotta feel appreciated yo
When LPL makes your gun safe look like a lunch box
Nice
that. would. HURT
Tbf to call devices like that safe is a big stretch. It's a transport lock box at best.
A lunchbox with a masterlock on it would be safer
Plot twist- this is his lunchbox
Working in product development myself,this kind of highlighting of possible design flaws is amazingly helpful. You're doing the locking industry a big favour with your videos.
I've recently been recommended a lot of gun locks from LPL in my recommendations (ironic that I don't even own a gun), and I love seeing the comparision between this particular video and the others: The others always emphasize on being a bad design and terrible flaws (wafer, magnets or both), and yet this one is loaded with high security features and only a single, careless flaw, not to mention it could have a quick fix by putting on a lid, the maker even took the video as constructive criticism. It's great
"You lost the lawyer? How???"
"I don't know sir, all we found was this fork on the floor..."
This! This is just great! XD
Nah, he couldn't POSSIBLY leave such a valuable instrument behind!
@@512TheWolf512 He knew that the fork was too powerful and wanted to give himself more of a challenge
You know they didn't say how or idk... cause they just looked on his channel after he posted it an saw how he escaped 😆
Vaultek Engineer: “Ah, Friday. Let’s see what entertainment ole’ CZcams has for me today and- OH SWEET GOD NO”
"Waterproof" and "Can fit a fork inside" don't seem like they should be in the same product.
The side latches provide the clamping force to fully seat the lid into the gasket. I thought that was obvious.
I like this video: You praise the innovation and good approach, show the flaw and also tell the manufacturer how to improve on it.
My safe is totally secure from all attacks
LPL: I'm hungry and brought a fork
WE ARE SO SCREWED
Shhh, he'll use a screw to open a lock next if you say things like that in his earshot.
We are not screwed, we are forked :)
@@Eunakria I want to see him open a lock with a lock.
Satoru you mean we are so forked?
You also can screwed it open using flat heads
When LPL forgets his tools downstairs and needs to resort to his utensils from breakfast..
This is the LPL and I just finished my French toast....
Before I eat this french toast I'll pick a lock with it, don't blink.
At least he used a clean fork.
Imagine the feeling of these lock developers' hearts drop when seeing these! Great work either way
One of the most fascinating things about this channel to me is the fluidity / dexterity with which this guy does everything. I know he probably has to do multiple takes often like anyone else, but even the way he puts in a code like “1234” is just slightly abnormally smooth and satisfying to watch
Other channel “I fully endorse this product” LPL “hold my lock picks imma use a fork lol”
Can you imagine working hard to develop a new product and then you see it on a thumbnail of LPL. "Oh noo, nonononooo", you give it a chance and look at the title "picked with a fork".. fuuuuck that must be tough
Quentin GALLEA how about seeing the video is 2 minutes long
Then again, who would come up with using cutlery as a means of defeating a lock as a first option. ^_^
reine svenssons I think he said “plastic lid”; thats the give away as to how most folks who want in will get there.
@@AiOinc1 I would be somewhat proud that it took him that long.
I want to see TLPL do a series on these sort of boxes & locks called "tested by tantruming toddler" to see just how secure these safes are at keeping children out
LPL, you are a total savage genius. Companies should consult with you, before they role out any product. Issues like you demonstrated here would be reconciled right away during the R&D process. Good work!
When I saw the feed: "Opened with FORK"... I was like: He is taking the piss at this point...
Check out "Opened with a twig"
The shape of the fork is actually an important thing here. It wouldn't work with a knife or spoon.
You mustn't have watched many LPL videos to think that. He doesn't need to take the piss. Still waiting for him to open something with a banana though.
@Liberal Tears it's a common phrase in England to mean "he's kidding or he can't be serious.."
@Liberal Tears LPL's comments section is normally so polite, shame
You know what I’m just gonna keep my stuff in a paper bag and hope for the best from now on.
JeredtheShy LOL
It is probably safer than a safe!
This is why I REALLY want him to do some recommendations!!
Though I DO remember a video of how for under $5 you can take tools for those quicklock locks for door locks and make them very difficult to pick.
Seriously, I would LOVE to see him go "Now here's how to make your home and valuables are ACTUALLY safe...."
Instead of just going "Look at how laughably easy this is!" or "Look at how easy this is if you have the right tools!"
😂😂
🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂😂
Thanks for the update on the new version and how quickly the company responded to get this firmware issue resolved.
Great job with finding the design flaws and great job to Vaultek for responding and swiftly fixing the flaw.
I cant wait for the episode where he plays a tune on a flute and opens the lock like a snake charmer.
"I'm going to use this fork Bosnian Bill and I made"
Love that saying
Nah....... that fork would be much fancier.....
thanks made my day
Lmao
Awesome. Videos like this help companies improve their products. Nice work.
Awesome video and awesome that the company fixed this. And hey, I'm sure it'd be pretty easy to cover the bottom with something to protect it if that's the lock's only flaw.
We'll use this Fork that bosnianbill uses for his spaghetti and I clean in the dishwasher...
Probably an easy software patch; "If the thing is locked, don't listen to what the buttons inside say."
The hard thing would be getting the patch to all the lockboxes that are already in stores and with customers
@@lilpeach101 True because I don't think most people would give a second thought to making sure their firmware was up to date on a product like this. It shouldn't have to be.
It's probably impossible to update these lunch boxes outside of factory ^^'
That would only be possible if there is already a sensor that detects if it is locked or not. And if they were smart enough to install that sensor, why would they not have used it?
Wouldn't work without a switch/sensor to detect if the lid has opened, the software in these thing will power a solenoid for a brief period and expecting you to open the case while the solenoid is retracted, after that it will just go back to sleep, it doesn't know if the lid has been re-closed or not
This is why I'm subscribed to this awesome guy. I was going to buy one of these for out of state travel.
Enjoy your return to the store. And thank you for choosing vaultek
There's something amazingly mind-boggling about safes that have such fundamental flaws, and the way you point it out by using a fork of all things, is just brilliant. I hope the people who designed the safe watches this and learn a good lesson about what not to do in the future.
And have a red face
They did. They replied with a software fix. This won't allow the reset button to do anything when the case is locked. Now I'm sure there's gonna be a way to bypass that as well if someone really wants to find a way.
that's why it's best to leave safe building to the pros
@@ratataran But what about the key lock that's next to it that disables the physical lock? That looks kinda like it's hardware-based. Granted, you'd still have to pick the lock after disabling it.
“Using this fork Bosnian Bill and I enjoyed a Valentines Day Meal with”
We sure did tension each other's wrenches
I've watched over 50 of LockpickingLawyer's videos, you are the first company I have seen respond to any of his exploit videos. Good job!
Just found this product was extremely interested. Instantly came to see if LPL had already had his hands on it. After seeing how the company responded, definitely going to get me one.
Now I know the next episode of this is going to be him unlocking a lock with a lock
He's already done that, with the breakaway master locks.
Andria Marie “There is no lock.”
@@jttech44 you got the number for that?
Jesus Christ 😂
Lockception
Me: *Sees vault tek*
Also me: *Fallout flash backs starts playing*
Companion for fallout would definitely use him go get places
lock pick 100
i dont want to set the world on fire
i just want to start a flame in your heart
@@hardwirecars in my heart I have but one desire
And that one is you, no other will do
War... War never changes
Bravo on Vaultek for addressing this issue. I have two of their products and they are amazing.
This channel make me feel SUPER safe
You might say that the lock designers "forked up" :D
Get the fork out.
boo, hiss, etc.
This approach gives a whole new meaning to the phrase "forking the code"
Are you forkin' kidding me right now?
"oh no officer, I don't have any lock picking tools with me, just this fork!"
I never woulda thought the button would accessible personally. Good thing you guys think hard for us.
"it's the vaultek life pod"
Fallout 4 players: *PTSD intensifies
Vault 34 survivors: *ghoul noises*
*_"LockForkingLawyer"_*
!!!
0:42 "That's because the designers made a rookie mistake"
Ouch...
After reading comments, I think this vulnerability was deliberate to allow people a non-destructive means to their valuables in case of forgetfulness.
Yeah they didn't send it to the lpl before selling it!
They fixed it.
Now you're really getting creative! Forks, Spoons, Red Bull cans, etc. Let me guess that you make the big money as a consultant for these brands or their competition? Brilliant, mate! Good on ya. Personally, I have no desire to learn how to pick locks. I just find the inevitable outcome in these videos kind of soothing and satisfying.
Dude you are doing such a useful service.
Lock: exists
LPL: Rookie mistake
lock: has anti shotgun potection, water proof, improssible lock, no screws
LPL: rookie mistake cuz why not?
Vaultek: OUR PRODUCTS ARE AMAZING
LPL: Fork you.
Honestly this is the best kind of product testing and its completely free
Just got one at Costco, it's got a little different design but seems the same, good quality box. Happy to see the reply that the firmware has been improved, probably would have kept it anyway but glad it's no longer easily forkable.
The real question: "Is this just a software issue?"
If I were on the board of directors for this company I would have this fixed and a pre-production revision in the mail to LPL within 24 hours, with a few hundred dollars cash inside a locked box and a nice note challenging him to try again.
If the microcontroller inside has a reliable method of detecting that the system is locked and closed, then it will be very easy to disable the button when the box is closed. If this is done, and the barrel lock can be disabled digitally, the only potential way to open a box after forgetting the code will be either destructive, or waiting on the battery to discharge assuming someone was smart enough to create a battery discharge threshold that relinquishes control to the mechanical lock before shutting down from low power. The circuit that takes control might be some kind of latching relay that only requires power to change states, (or maybe not, as that has it's own magnetic attack vulnerabilities). If a relay like circuit is not flipped due to low battery life, I think the only way left to get inside is destructive.
-Jake
They probably cheaped out on a switch to detect when locked.
@@alexandramarberry1023 If that's how you or the factory update firmware, then yes, classic attack vector.
I think you buried the lede. The real question is: "Is there a microswitch to detect if the lid is open?" It might be easy to explain how to and update software, but without knowing if the lid is open the only options are engineering some fix, and sending it to each safe owner.
It’s certainly more economical to frame this as a software issue, but the introduction of more complexity (even if it’s as slight as checking that the device is actually open) may actually provide a new attack vector or a new point of failure. For instance, we might be able to trick the microcontroller into thinking that the safe is open, and then we can push the button.
I would disable EVERYTHING. Run out of battery? Too bad. No port, no nothing. Now you have to cut it open. You want secure, there you go. If you're not responsible Enough to check the battery every couple of months, you're not responsible enough to have a firearm.
Its 1 AM, and im watching a guy lockpicking a gun safe with a fork on youtube
and..you will do it again..and again...and again...as we all do, we have no choice in this
I especially watch him because he's too fast
Its 4.43am, and I'm just watching it
Its 4 AM, and I'm watching a guy lock picking a gun safe with a fork on CZcams...
David Bost 4:00am is prime LockPickingLawyer hours
I was about to buy this case and thought, "I'll check CZcams". And of course LPL defeated it with a fork in seconds. I see Vaultek responded quickly and offered up a fix. It's nice to see companies work to improve their products when there's an obvious issue. I'll probably still buy it as it's mostly to keep inquisitive kids out and for quick transport. Nice job LPL! And, entertaining!
I bought one of these for my new Camaro since I have to secure my weapon before I go into my work place. This is ten times more secure than the standard glove box and the cable is attached to the bottom of my passenger seat so I can slide it under and out of sight.
For Gods sake why don’t these companies hire this guy to test their DAMN PRODUCTS!!! Holy crap you can’t have this kind of defect in a gun safe!!
... I don't think you've messed around with many gun safes--this is honestly a decent piece of work (comparatively) most are this bad or weaker.
Even if they did, they would have done nothing about it. The chances that nobody in the whole development and production chain did not realize this are slim, yet nobody cared or if did, the company didn't care. It takes a viral video these days to get things done, unfortunately. And I must say the LPL is doing far more good with these videos.
Gun safes like this are more about preventing immediate access than they are about preventing access "no matter what" like a large safe you would bolt to your floor. The latter is something you'd have in your home to ensure no unauthorized access can occur like children. Travel safes like this are more for your car/truck in order to prevent it from being used/seen before you get to it
@@gearloose703 "Even if they did, they would have done nothing about it." Check the top pinned comment on the vid. Honestly shocked by the response.
If he never showed this video no one trying to break into it would know that unless they had one to learn this exploit. It has to already be open to find that out about its reprogram button
“I’m going to stick a fork in it to see if it’s done”...
...Yes, definitely done.
Hold on, aren’t there only 256 possible combinations with that? Isn’t that a design flaw in itself?
Wow you are so right! I kinda felt like it's ok like 4 digit passcode but as it only uses 1-4 it's totally useless.
It is more designed to be car and TSA compliant when traveling. Not really a "safe."
Enjoy your return to the surface. And thank you for choosing Vault-Tec.
Next video: "Lock opened by staring at it for 6 seconds".
I'd watch that movie. "Lawyers who stare at locks."
"Now if one of your coworkers accidentally packs their lunch in a gun safe, you'll have a neet little party trick to show them."
logically usual and you’ve already got the fork to eat it with
I'm gonna start unironically protecting my lunch in a portable gun safe.
Even though this is a very simple tool to get into this safe, you would need prior knowledge of this very specific issue to pull it off, and if you are breaking into a tiny gun safe like this, I doubt you would be the most intelligent person around. Even considering this, the company fixed this issue which is very admirable.
I was gonna buy this ,then saw the vid changed my mind ,then sat and read the comments and Vaulteks response and changed my mind again ,at least they admmited it right away and are trying to fix it and learn from their mistakes , wish other companies were like this
a knife, a fork...
next LPL will open a bank vault with a spoon.
There is no spoon
“... why a spoon?”
“Because it will hurt more, you idiot!!!”
CheshireTomcat68
Lol, with the LPL its only the safe that bends...
This man consistently destroys every lock company and I love it
Thanks for the damage control statement ForkTek!
Wow! Thanks. Almost bought this today. Not now.
Just seen my first ad at the start of a LPL, good on you! They may only be 2 minute clips but I binge watch all of them and if any CZcams deserves ad rev it's you!
He could totally do a sponsor spot. I'd watch that.
@Seth Organ -- how do you know that LPL didn't monetize the video?
First time on your channel and this is a great video!!! 😂
Oh I was going to buy this... Thanks for the info.
So, much like a top shelf, the only protection this gives, is that my children cant be bothered going to the kitchen for an easily accessible tool to access it.
only because this video was posted. No child would've ever figured that out on their own. Now there's a tutorial.
@@ExplosionChimp This dilemma has been explained many times before. Both children and thieves have more time than you do to figure out schemes and flaws in security devices; and will eventually exploit them. With, or without your knowledge. These videos and the many like it serve as a defense for the average Joe unknowingly buying faulty products. Unto which criminals and curious children make short work of regardless if there is a "tutorial" or not.