MIDSEASON UPDATE | HUGE Support Changes | 13.10 Patch Rundown
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I analyze & discuss the relevant changes of patch 13.10 for League Of Legends, including items & systematic changes for all classes of support.
Timestamps:
00:00 - Intro
00:32 - Enchanter Items
10:45 - Melee Support Items
15:10 - Other Item Changes
18:17 - Systematic Game Changes
21:50 - Outro
#patchnotes #items #builds #coachcupcake
was wondering your opinion, great timing, thanks!
Moonstone gotta have number problem. Cause Helia currently outperformed it with literally every heal&shield enchanter at every skill level right now. It feel lackluster and probably actually lackluster.
moonstone now is just: gain 30% heal and shield power when there are at least 2 allies nearby, and thats it
moonstone outheals helia anyway all the time. so if you want more heals you go for moonstone if you want mix dmg and heals go for helia. champs like soraka janna yumi,milio would build more moonstone . sona serafine nami etc. helia i think
I think that the item changes ended being pretty power-neutral for Tahm. New pendant item is good for the armor because stacking hp alone is weak, but the true dmg is now pre-mitigation on Vow. Biggest loss is the Force of Nature changes since it used to be the only MR item you ever needed. Haven’t played much but it could be that it still works that way, it’ll just have to be a feel thing. And lastly the Abyssal Mask cost reduction is quite good but even with 2 AP allies + Tahm’s own AP dmg I never really noticed the old Mask doing anything. Problem being that the game is over after Jak’Sho Swifties + your one flex item (Force, Randuins, Frozen Heart, Thornmail, Knight’s Vow) and I still don’t see Mask overtaking those items even after the changes.
Would like to see a tier list if u got time coah !
Loved the video formatting! The patch notes organization made it quite painful to read, but your and Phreak's video helped a lot! I have three concerns about this patch.
How do you navigate Thresh's build choices between Zeke's, Mandate, and Evenshroud? I have never really heard of Mandate before, so I want to know your rationale behind it over Zeke's, especially now that both are Legendary. Personally, I like Zeke's survivability as it lets me tank more damage when making picks against high damage targets and absorb hits better, plus the fact that the damage boost is on-hit as opposed to gated by a cooldown means that the damage difference doesn't seem that large although I have not tested. As for Evenshroud, do you ever build it, or is Shurelya's a simply better offensive option?
As for Enchanter build paths, what do you suppose would be the best second options for Renata Glasc? Her AP ratios are subpar while she has ridiculous benefits from Haste. Add the fact that applying Censer or Staff of Flowing Water can be slightly erratic due to having to rely on Font of Life, Aery/Guardian, or hitting an ally with E, and they don't seem like the best possible second options. Renata has generally had a relatively tankier build compared to other enchanters. I was thinking between Mandate, Knight's Vow, or Anathema's, but I'd like to hear your opinions too. (I also did some testing with her, her passive damage hit does not count as a separate source of damage for Echoes of Helia, meaning that you only get one stack per hit instead of two, which would have been nuts)
Finally, for Pyke in specific, do you think he could be fast enough to at least partially mitigate the minion speed buffs when roaming? Most supports don't have a tool like Pyke's W to efficiently move around the map.
I'd recommend checking out my Thresh guide for the mandate topic. I don't like zekes due to lack of HP. I will be choosing between locket and shurel's for Thresh mythic now. And yes your 2nd items listed for Renata I agree with, she needs ability haste. Every champ has less of a window to roam including Pyke. Whether he had a huge but now has an average sized window, it hurts him either way.
@@CoachCupcake I'm a little confused on the Mandate point because now Mandate doesn't have any Health anymore which makes it less of an Evenshroud-Shurelya hybrid. +5 haste and the AP don't seem like it's worth it, especially when paired with Shurelya's, as you'd be really squishy. I could see it as an option if paired with Locket to make up for lack of damage and mobility.
Hii, what is your opinion on imperial mandate on Rakan, do you think it will be any good even without the health? What about zeke and knights vow?
No good on him. Never been a fan of Zeke's, knight's vow is totally fine on him still.
Nami E doesn't proc Echoes of Helia so I don't see how with max 2 charges in a fight (from Q and R since your W is needed to actually activate the haling effect) it's ever good. At that point you are having a conditional single target redemption that makes you have awkward Ws. I guess it procs twice if you are against 4 tanks so you prob build it then. Could be wrong though cuz I'm quite bad at league xd.
Yeah probably 2nd item after mandate, I think the mandate damage counts as the support's
I tested it and sadly it does not. At this point I'm considering no mythic nami or perhaps locket or shurelia which both sound atrocious.
Also is there a second video coming with the theme: What pros dont do, but should; With those changes now. AAAAAAAAAAAAlso can we expect some gameplay-streams on those new changes :)
hi ty for this video it helped me alot ,what is the best build or items for thresh now?
I think best 2 build paths are: shurel's -> knight's vow -> anathema's/redemption, or locket -> mandate/redemption -> kinght's/anathemas. Haven't tested much
Do you think echos of helia can be built on taric or will it make him too squishy in the mid game?
My issue would be stacking the soul shards not necessarily the tankiness. Helia into melee sup items would be fine for that.
@@CoachCupcake ok thank you
First, Echos of Helia seems also great on sera when she has rylais no?
Rylais doesn't add any synergy to Helia. It's only applying a slow with Font of Life that triggers ally heal to then trigger Helia. But Seraphine has her W already and I'm not sure if she'd want to go FoL.
@@CoachCupcake say are you making a new video About Roaming / punishing roaming then in some times or would you say, what you said in this video is enough
@@CoachCupcake tested for hours in master, it is worth it but rylais is not mandatory, with fol is enough and you can build mandate/sofw second
Yesterday the enemy had an Orianna mid who went 10/1 building Echoes of Helia, Mandate, Seraph's, and it was quite strong xD
Personally I find the item *feels* awful to play with, I wish it was more obvious when it was helping out lol. Granted I only tried it on Renata/Seraphine so far, but it seems kinda meh.
On my Renata game I went 3/7/21, EoH did 1976 healing, gave 33 bonus AP, and 1094 total magic dmg. It was a 33min game.
As a zyra main, haven't noticed a great difference with lost chapter cheapening. I tend to rush boots first because I do like to roam, but considering this patch it is harder to do, I might not?
But in saying that, I REALLY dislike the new changes to lens sweeper. Even if I know where wards are, I'm too slow to break 1 because of my ass attack speed, I can clear 1 ward at the most per lens sweep :| There isn't even enough time to run to the next ward I know I need to delete 😭I do like that you need to be more intentional with it now though! Make's my wards last longer >:)
zekes always felt meh but statistically it was the best 2nd on most engage sups
What I needed, didnt finish the video yet (doing right now), but I feel like engage supps got even worse than enchanter. Radiant on rakan didnt feel that good as before and evenshroud/solari is just bs with 800 gold combining cost.
The combine cost is high but at least we don't have to have a 1200g component in the inventory I guess
First !
In the current state New moonstone is weak
so is Seraphine build path going to be Helia --> Rylais --> Mandate?