Yup pretty much an exhaustive attempt to see what the Synology's capabilities are with respect to 3rd part Gen 4 NVMe drives. So the only question in my mind is what would have happen if the 3rd party drives were Gen 3 instead of Gen 4. Maybe that has something to do with the Pooling Option? Also heard you mention you be coming out with your QNAP TS-h1290FX testing with the Gen 4 NVMe's can't wait for that.
Thank you for the video and test you did for this, and also in other videos. These videos are immensely useful for us into the whole NAS side of things. The following feedback is something that I have reacted about, and I want to share it with you so that you can hear it and decide if it is something you'd like to take into account or not. Much of the process of making the videos, I think, is just being oneself and talking about something one's passionate about. If you have watched your own videos you are aware of the fact that you are repeating things quite often. Warning what not to do or OBS affecting the performance. Have you considered to mention it one time in the video and then have a text pop up on screen if you feel that it needs to be re-iterated or reminded again during the video? The same thing when you explain something about NAS functionality (SHR1/2 vs Raid5/6 etc) Perhaps mentioning it shortly and referencing a link in the description for a NAS fundamentals video that you have done. This way you have a fundamentals video that tagged and described in a good way will show up in google searches. The above point is also dependent on how you see your videos, if each one should be viewable by novices without them having to reference other videos to learn fundamentals or if all the information, even for novices, should be included in each an every video. You probably see how your longer videos perform in the YT dashboard and can decide if this is something to care about or not. About video length. You take great care to show us how the pudding is made. I don't think that it is needed for each an every step - I (we) believe you when you say that you have switched a drive out to another one. These segments could be skipped in editing and just presented with "Right and now the Samsung and WD drives have been installed" and thereby skipping the shutting down, removing and replacing drives and then logging in again. It could be shown the first time to establish the procedure and mentioning that this is the way all subsequent swaps will be made (specific example to this video but reusable for other situations also). Summary is something that would have higher production value with on screen tables that summarize the results or facts in some manner. For this video it could be the different combinations of drives and if one or both worked. If you tested them in different bays did the results change? Looping back to the point about not showing all steps all the time on video, you could have had a shorter video but with more tests performed adding greater value in the summary. For example the drives that did not work - do they work if they are the single drive inserted in either bay 1 or 2? Meaning that they only do not work when paired with another drive? (This will of course need to kept to some king of reasonable amount of testing, testing all drives in all combinations is perhaps not feasible.) As you probably understand by now by how long the comment has become, I too like to talk much about things I'm passionate about. I'm not saying that I personally want shorter videos, but perhaps that the time saved by some of my suggestions instead could be used to talk more about things that you have chosen to exclude due to the fact that the video would become even longer than it is now. I hope that this feedback is something that shows that your content is appreciated, because why otherwise would I and others leave constructive feedback.
I think the big problem other than Synology SSD's being ridiculously expensive is the fact that they are very small capacity, capping out at 800GB. Even if I wanted to buy more for Synology, this is a no go for me for creating a storage pool of two 800GB files simply because the capacity offered by Synology M.2 SSD's is too small.
Have you tried to manually make a storage pool via remote shell, linux CLI style, or at least get more detailed system information via CLI? Busybox doesn't have a full set of unix tools but 'synogear install' can get you a long way.
Great video however, I’ve been using nvme to SSD adapters in my 5bay nas by startech with no issues for 2 years in my 920+ But it’s nice to see its now supported without adapters.
Im a bit sad. I just bought a DS923+ and two 2tb WD ND850X, believing it was a perfect match. Somehow lost the packaging for the SSD´s and therefor can't return them. Now I find out they do not show up and are not compatible. I only want to use them as read/write cache. Do you know of experience if they might be compatible through a future firmware update, or should I not expect that and move on with the more expensive and smaller synology NVMe´s?
I just got 2x SSD NVME WD Red SN700 2To, they are recognised, but not able to make a pool. That a bit sad but whatever, gonna use them on the computer instead. Synology might change there mind at some point ... ?
I just bought a DS1522+ which has the same CPU as the 923+ Will I be able to use NVME Volumes in the DS1522+ , Will I need to buy Synology Drives ? , I have 2 2TB NVME Crucial in a read write cache currently , which is in production for about a month no issues
@@AngelAngelescu Can you do Storage Pools with the Samsung 980Pro. Great Question , I am sure these could work as caching , I have 2x 2TB Crucial working as cache in a 1522+
Great video! So, I have a DS1821+ with two 1TB M.2 read only cache drives. I have (7) 14TB HD’s and (1) 2TB SSD for VM’s. With the DSM 7.2 announcement, I bought a 2TB Samsung 970 Plus M.2 I was hopi g to use for store and only have 1TB cache. I also bought another 14TB HD to increase my storage in the bays. Watching your video I’m a little concerned my 2TB M.2 won’t show up for a storage pool. 🫤
You are truly the NAS Guru! I bought the DS1522+ off your recommendation. Thank you for posting
Me too LOL
I'm about to get DS1522+ based on what I've learned from watching his videos.
@@michaelkennedy320 11 months later and I’m eyeballing a second until. Excellent purchase!
Yup pretty much an exhaustive attempt to see what the Synology's capabilities are with respect to 3rd part Gen 4 NVMe drives. So the only question in my mind is what would have happen if the 3rd party drives were Gen 3 instead of Gen 4. Maybe that has something to do with the Pooling Option? Also heard you mention you be coming out with your QNAP TS-h1290FX testing with the Gen 4 NVMe's can't wait for that.
Thank you for the video and test you did for this, and also in other videos.
These videos are immensely useful for us into the whole NAS side of things.
The following feedback is something that I have reacted about, and I want to share it with you so that you can hear it and decide if it is something you'd like to take into account or not.
Much of the process of making the videos, I think, is just being oneself and talking about something one's passionate about.
If you have watched your own videos you are aware of the fact that you are repeating things quite often. Warning what not to do or OBS affecting the performance.
Have you considered to mention it one time in the video and then have a text pop up on screen if you feel that it needs to be re-iterated or reminded again during the video?
The same thing when you explain something about NAS functionality (SHR1/2 vs Raid5/6 etc)
Perhaps mentioning it shortly and referencing a link in the description for a NAS fundamentals video that you have done.
This way you have a fundamentals video that tagged and described in a good way will show up in google searches.
The above point is also dependent on how you see your videos, if each one should be viewable by novices without them having to reference other videos to learn fundamentals or if all the information, even for novices, should be included in each an every video.
You probably see how your longer videos perform in the YT dashboard and can decide if this is something to care about or not.
About video length. You take great care to show us how the pudding is made. I don't think that it is needed for each an every step - I (we) believe you when you say that you have switched a drive out to another one.
These segments could be skipped in editing and just presented with "Right and now the Samsung and WD drives have been installed" and thereby skipping the shutting down, removing and replacing drives and then logging in again.
It could be shown the first time to establish the procedure and mentioning that this is the way all subsequent swaps will be made (specific example to this video but reusable for other situations also).
Summary is something that would have higher production value with on screen tables that summarize the results or facts in some manner.
For this video it could be the different combinations of drives and if one or both worked.
If you tested them in different bays did the results change?
Looping back to the point about not showing all steps all the time on video, you could have had a shorter video but with more tests performed adding greater value in the summary.
For example the drives that did not work - do they work if they are the single drive inserted in either bay 1 or 2? Meaning that they only do not work when paired with another drive?
(This will of course need to kept to some king of reasonable amount of testing, testing all drives in all combinations is perhaps not feasible.)
As you probably understand by now by how long the comment has become, I too like to talk much about things I'm passionate about.
I'm not saying that I personally want shorter videos, but perhaps that the time saved by some of my suggestions instead could be used to talk more about things that you have chosen to exclude due to the fact that the video would become even longer than it is now.
I hope that this feedback is something that shows that your content is appreciated, because why otherwise would I and others leave constructive feedback.
I think the big problem other than Synology SSD's being ridiculously expensive is the fact that they are very small capacity, capping out at 800GB. Even if I wanted to buy more for Synology, this is a no go for me for creating a storage pool of two 800GB files simply because the capacity offered by Synology M.2 SSD's is too small.
Very thorough coverage! I think this nvme storage feature was rolled out to fast as two industry standard drives don’t have full support.
Ghos, this proprietary crap from Synology is so juicy, beyond me how people go along with this, thanks for the video.
That's sucks that Synology locks out 3rd part drives from using as volumes.
thanks for sharing🎉
Extensive. Thank you. I've DS423+ and wandering if any non-Synology M2. NVMe is known to work with for caching and hopefully a pool?
Have you tried to manually make a storage pool via remote shell, linux CLI style, or at least get more detailed system information via CLI? Busybox doesn't have a full set of unix tools but 'synogear install' can get you a long way.
Annoying about the storagepools. But would be interesting if you could try gen 3 instead of gen 4.. However I doubt it matters but still...
i will stick with my DS920+
Great video however, I’ve been using nvme to SSD adapters in my 5bay nas by startech with no issues for 2 years in my 920+ But it’s nice to see its now supported without adapters.
Which adapter?? M2 nvme to sata 2,5" ssd?
what the difference then when i only use a SATA SSD, as the bottle neck is then the adapter and only at additional cost.
Im a bit sad. I just bought a DS923+ and two 2tb WD ND850X, believing it was a perfect match. Somehow lost the packaging for the SSD´s and therefor can't return them. Now I find out they do not show up and are not compatible. I only want to use them as read/write cache. Do you know of experience if they might be compatible through a future firmware update, or should I not expect that and move on with the more expensive and smaller synology NVMe´s?
Oddly, now it sees them and is working. Without a FW update. Great, so far.
I am in the same boat you were, but 1 year later. Same NAS, same cache modules. Any idea what you did to get them to work? @@Michael-Elo
I just got 2x SSD NVME WD Red SN700 2To, they are recognised, but not able to make a pool. That a bit sad but whatever, gonna use them on the computer instead.
Synology might change there mind at some point ... ?
bro, you can't use it as STORAGE (pool), but as CACHE it identifies and works correctly?
@@celoYHWH Yes
@@Thyger thanks
I just bought a DS1522+ which has the same CPU as the 923+ Will I be able to use NVME Volumes in the DS1522+ , Will I need to buy Synology Drives ? , I have 2 2TB NVME Crucial in a read write cache currently , which is in production for about a month no issues
Version of Crucial ? P1 or P3 or P3 Plus or P5 or P5 Plus
So, do you need to use Synology drives for 1522+?
Ironic - Synology giveth, but taketh away. Typical Synology greed ! Thanx Robbie
Can someone save me 41 minutes and tell me if this is even worth it with a 1gb connection?
Get the 10G upgrade card
You're mixing different brands... Put 2 identical drives and will work.
I use 2 Samsung 980Pro and it works.
@@AngelAngelescu In the DS923+ and as storagepool?
@@AngelAngelescu Can you do Storage Pools with the Samsung 980Pro. Great Question , I am sure these could work as caching , I have 2x 2TB Crucial working as cache in a 1522+
@@morganjohansson5168 Not as storage pool in the ds923+. just as cache.
“Please don’t do what I just did on video, it is unsafe.” Not a great strategy for a video: either do it in a safe way, or do it off-video 😮
Great video! So, I have a DS1821+ with two 1TB M.2 read only cache drives. I have (7) 14TB HD’s and (1) 2TB SSD for VM’s. With the DSM 7.2 announcement, I bought a 2TB Samsung 970 Plus M.2 I was hopi g to use for store and only have 1TB cache. I also bought another 14TB HD to increase my storage in the bays. Watching your video I’m a little concerned my 2TB M.2 won’t show up for a storage pool. 🫤
What heppened with 970 plus 2tb, it works?