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"It was me Barry. I created this movie and forced Ezra Miller to assault Hawaiians to destroy your reputation"
I legitimately laughed out loud, haha.
This was the result of flash time traveling in the Snyder cut
*The dark side of the Speed Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be.. Convenient*
"We grant you a place on this time travel movie council, but we do not grant you the rank of coherent time travel movie." - Doc Brown.
Hey, you can't say that, Eobard isn't in this film!
As opposed to all the conveniences Mauler ignores in his favorite marvel films.
Jay?
@@andrewconrad2859 Nope, But I like his humor so, *Inspired* lets say.
Still love that after all the controversies around Ezra Miller, they thought they should put 2 of him in the movie 😂
The dumbest decision ever
Fucking hell. I was scrolling the comments and I read your comment as "Still love Ezra Miller after all the controversies" and I almost had a heart attack. Jesus christ, my brain is such an asshole sometimes.
@@plantemor There are people who are genuinely like that. I've seen them. And they have the nerve to act all smug and say RDJ is the same.
@@plantemor I'm ded 💀💀💀
It's like a reverse John Majors, where instead of immediately taking him out they add more of him
Just remember Kevin Conroy was only ever a live action Batman in Batwoman, despite him basically being Batman with how long he voiced him for
Whattdja bringme?
I almost wish that he was alive to replace Michael Keaton in this movie.
"I thoroughly enjoyed Batman Returns. There's something so oddly satisfying, so relatable, so sympathetically principled about hurling the weak and deformed into bodies of water to rid society of their filth. It seems like a third of this country could use a similar lesson."
- Moviebob's review of Batman Returns.
Just a third seems too kind for Cinema Roberto. He definitely hates more people than that.
You see? That’s how you know that Thanos is the real fascist, he wants to kill half of everybody.
What did he mean by this? We may never know...
And I'm sure it would be the third that HE deems unworthy. F that piece of shit.
Oh Moviebob, advocating for genocide AGAIN? When will he ever learn.
It's really funny how dangerous flash is to everyone's existance. If Batman was scared of a 1% chance of superman turning evil and destroying everything he would be mortified that flash could erase everything if he is tempted to fix a mistake. What I am getting at here is, where is my BvF movie?
“That son of a bitch brought the time. To. Us!”
Yeah, Fuck evil superman -owo- Evil flash, *If his speed is respected,* would be far more terrifying, Imagine doing something he dislikes, only for him to go back in time, kill your parents, and *Unmake your existence.* any kind of resistance alliance would be gone in a blink even with the smallest leaks of info, Super man is op but even he has his limits, Speedsters are broken.
@@uneterostardust8233 Eobard Thawne moment.
@@uneterostardust8233 Just have Superman start counter clockwise flying around the planet to undo the flash time traveling
Holy shit !!! Female in us bigots stream's?!?
Timestamps
0:00 Music & XMen
1:14 Rags’ Journey
4:56 Elemental
7:54 Chat & Hearts
9:48 Talking About Random Movies To Avoid Talking About The Flash
16:37 Batmans, Confusion, Casting & Retroactivity
23:30 EFAP Micro: Batman Returns
27:40 The Empty Man
32:20 Distractions
33:22 A New Movie, The DCEU, Origins & CGI
39:33 The Story
41:11 The Superpowers
54:20 Batbike & BulletProf
1:00:23 Babies, Digestion & Physics
1:11:19 Batfleck Begins
1:17:13 Different Endings Left On The Director’s Floor
1:18:31 Scorsese & Tom Crusie
1:19:28 Batfleck Returns
1:20:03 Islands & Doughnut
1:22:42 Wonder Woman, Leonard Nimoy, Music & Yodel
1:29:24 The Future Of The DCEU
1:34:25 The Lasso Of Truth
1:39:43 Barry’s Life
1:42:51 Iris Pest
1:45:37 Henry Allen
1:48:06 The Flash Back
1:59:21 The Meme Repository Highlight
2:00:48 Speed Force
2:03:18 The Colosseum
2:06:05 Back In Time
2:06:44 Batfleck Rises
2:13:15 Iris Wasted
2:16:46 Time Travel & Butterfly Effect
2:22:50 The Multiverse Paradox
2:37:47 Berries
2:59:45 Metahumans
3:05:03 Rags’ Notes
3:05:36 Bathide
3:08:56 Batpasta
3:13:17 Batretirement
3:17:18 Batcave
3:26:30 BatBelief
3:28:39 Batkeaton
3:36:36 Supergirl
3:46:40 Electricution
3:56:38 Say The Line!
3:58:30 Action, Strategy & Location
4:11:27 The Battle
4:29:00 Back To The Near Past (But Not That Far)
4:36:59 Flash’ Strength
4:39:17 Time Paradox
4:47:33 The End Of The World
4:52:36 Purple Flash
4:54:23 Cameo
5:03:00 Sacrifice
5:04:46 Explanation
5:05:14 Fixing The Timeline
5:08:09 The Flash Has Learned Nothing
5:12:48 A Brave New DC World
5:13:21 Conclusions
5:19:34 Colin Sanders
5:21:49 The Meme Repository
5:23:00 Metal
5:25:07 Rags
5:25:52 Fringy & Mauler
5:26:20 Important Updates
5:27:18 Closing Time
Thank you Julian Doe
Zod: "We've been waiting for you"
Legend
Praise the don
I hate coincidence that makes the protagonist be the key to everything. Not the reverse, where being the key makes them the protagonist, that makes sense. But like the maze runner, where we find out in the end of the last one that the protagonist just so happens to have the special cure blood. Same applies here, but even dumber. Barrys mom not having soup makes zod win? And its just coincidence? Not even that her dying is what makes flash happen, and he saves the day, cuz if that were the case they would be able to beat zod cuz a version of flash is there. Or that a specific version of flash has to be there cuz he has a power the others dont? Its just coincidental butterfly effect?
How interesting could it be to examine the world from an experienced speedster's view? Flash tends to separate Normal Speed from 5000X Speed, but in reality, if you have the reflexes, you experience time very, very slowly. A single day should feel like an ETERNITY to a speedster. What if a speedster CHOOSES to stay drugged/debuffed so they don't go mad from how the entire world moves at an unbearably slow pace compared to themself, and they would have to make the decision to unleash their full power to save someone, which would also make life torturous for them?
Speedsters only hang out with coke heads just so it sounds normal.
Thats how Quicksilver works in the comics. He cant turn off speed vision.
Sort of like a Hancock but with the flash? I like it
DC gave the flash an easy out it's a sense he can (mostly) consciously control. Though there a couple comics where he panics during civilian activities and can't calm down so he spends relative hours talking to people.
Marvel has Quicksilvers inability to turn it of be the reason he has anger issues.
@@alexandergreene461 Man, that show has its issues and is by no means a masterpiece but holy shit does it handle the idea of grounding heroes in a real world setting so much better than anything Marvel has done post civil war. I really enjoyed hearing red rush describe how he loves his wife but spending time with her can be a strain on him mentally. His brain is so fast he is always struggling not to get distracted while just waiting for someone to finish a sentence. It is a really cool exploration of how super powers could actually be an incredibly difficult thing to live with and might make you fundamentally incompatible with the society you are serving.
If Batman was going to kill Superman on the off chance he was going to destroy the world. How is the Flash not the biggest threat to Batman? He has the ability to change timelines.
It may be the type of power where (logically) he either already changed time and it’s too late or never does change time and it’s moot. Of course, if it’s peak paranoia Bruce, he’d try to cap Barry regardless.
Oh this is definitely Tower of Babel Batman. Like, JLA contingency plot would’ve been the plot for Batman 2
His mom was also called Martha
They made flash way too fast starting off. It should be like flash 3 where he time travel and fight Zoom. He should b superman speed starting off
Imagine having a character thats able to delete your entire reality...and it's Ezra Miller
They’d do it for fun, too.
The mad goose 😂
2:20:32 Rags is right, this particular story would benefit from time travel working where it changes events beyond specific cause and effect. You could even have the villain explain that Barry creates a "time boom", and saving his mom indirectly and adversely influences other things, and you could call the movie "The Flashpoint Paradox"!
All the final battle scene needed was the Monitor from Crisis on infinite Earths to show up every time a character died and announce that they fought until their last breath.
Man, that whole section talking about Wonderwoman’s theme reminds me of this meme I saw of the DOOM Slayer visiting Hazbin Hotel. They hear “Rip and Tear” playing in the distance and the second they open the door the music stops until he pumps the shotgun and it starts blaring again. The best part is when they close the door again and the music becomes muffled, implying he’s the source of his own theme.
God, I fucking love that meme.
I loved the part when Ezra said "it's flashin' time!" and flashed everyone at the movie theater
Especially surprising, since it was at an Elemental screening.
Then again, considering Ezra, not surprising at all.
🤔 Actually, now that you mention it…
How about the part where Ezra says “it’s grooming time!” and groomed all over the place.
he flashed all the children he kidnapped
@@LordIsrafel at least there was no one there to see it
It's the Batcycle. Nolan's Batcycle is called the Batpod because it's originally part of the Tumbler, but acts as a sort of escape pod that shoots out as a separate vehicle.
It's ironic how they originally wanted the Flash to be the end of the DCEU.
They technically weren't wrong.
Except it’s not ironic, it’s a coincidence. Irony deals with opposites, not similarities.
I think whats funny is that this being before the reboot is entirely by coincidence. This isn't meant to be connected to the reboot. The reboot is just happening despite the flash
Vader: "Where...where is the DCEU?"
Palpatine: "I'm afraid in your retardedness, you killed it."
Vader: "N...no! It was alive!! NOOOOOoooOOOOoOOOOO!!!"
@@CayeDaws They probably should have just played the Flashpoint Paradox story straight right down to the complete rewrite of the universe.
@@kingbash6466 sure, I just have an issue with the framing that this is the final dceu movie while aquaman 2 will be it. It just happens that the flash was inspired by flashpoint. This is sort of like the Flashpoint adaptation which was more of just an adaptation than a reboot as there wasn't even a canon in the animated movies to reboot. It's connection to justice league war were done in retrospective. I don't think we will see this supergirl or aquaman in the reboot
Chat made me realize I would’ve been much happier just watching an alt-universe movie where Darkseid invades an Earth newly under Zod management. If we’re going to throw our action figures at each other pointlessly at least make it cool shit.
Batman calls us humans because by now he is more bat than man.
He’s reverting back to Beetlejuice
@@EpicJasonX9000 Plot twist, Bruce Wayne was Beetlejuice who got bored and used his powers to create the DC EU!
@@Mangaka-ml6xo At some point in the comics batman does become a near omnipotent god, so him deciding to be beetlejuice for funsies is entirely possible
@@critespranberry8872 That's hillarious, did they do something interesting with that setup at least?
@@Mangaka-ml6xo Nah dog that shit happened in something called the new 52 and DC shot that continuity in the face like 4 years into it's run XD
“It was me Barry! I made Zack the director of the DCEU, so it would become a chaotic mess and you would never even have the chance of getting a good life action movie!”
It was hilarious seeing mauler and fringy gaslighting rags by confusing "at least" with "at most." 😂
Is is funny that their education systems are so poor they couldn't figure it out?
Poor non-americans. Truly, they would be lost without our doggo.
fr i was looking for this comment i was questioning my own sanity and my understanding of the term “at least” lmfao
Seriously Rags was right and it drove me crazy to see Fringy act all smug thinking Rags made a mistake.
Neanderthal Northman The EFAP team seems to be doing that kind of stuff a lot lately. I'm worried their super epic gamer intelligence is starting to get to their heads.
@@AnAmericanMusicianI’m at the point where I’m struggling to enjoy EFAP. I love Mauler but the other two are insufferable to me.
I don’t know about you guys, but the scene that really got to me was when the Mad Hatter got beaten up by Batman in the interrogation room he politely tells the Dark Knight, “You merely adopted the dark; I was born in it, molded by it. I didn’t see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but blinding! The shadows betray you because they belong to me.”
Truly one of the Batman moments of all time.
"-And then he pulled out a shotgun, only this shogun was a space-shotgun!"
Bilbo Skywalker, Esquire
When Ezra Miller said "It's groomin time", and proceeded to commit a sex crime, I clappped.
@@diazinamon2431 then the groomee started doing her rain dance and they all lived happily ever after 😂
@@Soyuz2578when her rain dance caused Ezra to get hit by lightning and get his flash powers back I clapped
So Kara carries Barry into a lightning storm to make him Flash again?
Wouldn't that just make him male Livewire?
Or Surge given the 90’s nostalgia pandering and the green puke.
Imagine if the writers and execs were actually competent, and Shazam did a cameo to provide the lightning.
@@casbyness I know your Nazis and morons but I'll play how or WHY would Shazam matter?
@@casbyness What would be the difference? And in this timeline Billy didn't become Shazam yet.
@@user-xx6vy9ri8p The difference? Probably two extra people in the cinema would cheer, at the expense of the movie losing slightly more money due to the general dislike of Shazam 2.
You know, in retrospect, wouldn't it have been better to make main timeline Barry the evil Barry?
Like, he's the one who abuses his powers to go back in time, he's the one complaining about being the "janitor" for the justice league (and by that logic, considers saving lives to be meanial work, AND that being a janitor is in fact, a meanial task), he's the one who gives up on the Keeton-verse, he's the one who pratically all but forces Barry 2 to want to throw away his casual life so he can become the flash even though he *really* doesnt need to, *AND* he's the one who's kinda totally ok with letting that whole universe die despite it being a universe that's *BETTER* off. How many universes can say Gotham is basically crime-free and Batman is *HAPPILY* retired? No regrets, no caveats?
Like, shouldn't Barry 2's desire to save everyone, even Barry 1, be what sets him apart from Barry 1? Because Barry 1 is A-OK with the erasure of Barry 2's life, family, and universe as long as *HE* gets out ahead in some fashion.
Like, the *REAL* play here would have been to have Barry 1 be upset that Barry 2 wants to *KEEP* trying to save his own timeline from Zod. They could argue about it, and Barry 2 could point out that his parents didn't raise him to be a quitter. They told him there's always a solution to a problem and that he shouldn't give up on something just because it hasn't come to him right away. It'd be a nice point of contrast, Barry 1 being brought up in the abysmally bleak Snyder-verse falls to fatalism and discontent, while Barry 2 who was brought up in a stable and happy home, in a universe that seems more stable and happy than Barry 1's, might make Barry 1 kinda jealous. Jealous enough to want *THAT* life for *HIMSELF.*
Over and over they repeat it, Barry 2 gets back up and keeps fighting for his universe, Barry 1 gets more and more frustrated they're making no progress. The two bicker, and argue, until ultimately in a heated moment Barry 2 asks if Barry 1 would be happier if his mother were alive to see him giving up on himself. This pisses Barry 1 off enough that he decides he's had enough of Barry 2, and goes back to kill him. He starts blaming Barry 2 for everything. He blames him for holding him back, he blames him for wasting his time, he blames him for not being able to see what they really need to do because he doesnt realize how futile their efforts are and insists on showing him, that it's the only way he'll "get it" -- and he goes to kill him in the past. Barry 1 thinks that, if he kills Barry 2 in the past and lives his life till Barry 1 shows up in that timeline, than the NEW Barry 2 (who will be Barry 1) will have what it takes to help the NEW Barry 1 save the day.
Barry 2 thinks this is a load of shit, discovers Barry 1 is desperate and in denial, and has to now stop himself from killing himself. Barry 1 can grow more and more furious with his loathing and envy growing more and more evident until we reach the point where Barry 1 essentially *becomes* Reverse Flash. He and Barry 2 rush backward in time, duking it out. Barry 2 isn't going to kill Barry 1 because he understands Barry 1's pain, but he's not gonna let him fuck up the timeline any further by making more alterations and he's certainly not gonna let Barry 1 kill him. Barry 1 promises, he swears, that he will do anything and everything in his power to make Barry 2's life a living hell. Barry 2 says he'll never give up on Barry 1. They fight, Barry 2 solves the Kryptonian problem by tossing Barry 1 into Zod at like, 2 gajillion MPH at the right time, saving Super Girl who turns around and mercs Zod and stops the floopisms. Now Barry 1 would have to deal with Barry 2 *and* Super Girl, he's low on calories, so he just decides to fuck off for now.
We end with Barry 2, Super Girl, and Batman saving the day, and for one fucking time in this universe members of the Justice League are actual looking forward with genuine optimism and hope for working for a better future. We set up a formidable Reverse Flash who isn't just some wacko from the future who *REALLY* hates Barry, and we have a suitable foundation to build other films out from.
If I may quote the show Archer:
"Is that how you get ants, Barry? Yes it is, Other Barry."
Bruce's leg is fucked up in TDKR because of the fall from tackling Harvey something like 4 stories at the end of TDK. He is even hobbling away after that scene.
That leg still didn’t heal after all that time ? And do you have proof of this
And then he recovered his leg and back by the end of TDKR.
He tackled him off the ledge, not 4 stories.
@@Galvatronover You don't just "heal" a shattered bone...
@@AnAmericanMusician A ledge that was at the very least 3 stories high. He falls at least 30 feet.
Holy Grail is the better movie, I feel, but people say that Life Of Brian is better because it feels more fresh. Like, The Holy Grail is so ingrained in pop culture that without even seeing the movie you know about the bunny, the Holy Hand Grenade, the black knight, all of the best jokes, basically. Life Of Brian feels so much more impactful because of that.
It's like how people will say that Reservoir Dogs is better than Pulp Fiction, even though Pulp Fiction is the better movie. It's because not a lot of people talk about Reservoir Dogs, but everyone talks about Pulp Fiction. So, the betrayal and ending in Reservoir Dogs can have more of an impact if you watch it now than the twists in Pulp Fiction can have if you watch it for the first time now. But, paradoxically, the fact that The Holy Grail and Pulp Fiction were able to have that effect on pop culture that everyone is at least aware of the plot points even without seeing the movies makes them better than Life Of Brian or Reservoir Dogs.
Like, the fact that you can watch the movies and think "Oh boy, here comes that part that has been memed to death in pop culture," is a testament to how great they are, even though it de-fangs them.
Holy Grail has funnier jokes, but Life of Brian has the better story structure.
Life of Brian has the scene where the Roman guard corrects Brian's Latin graffiti. You are wrong.
@@HexensohnThat scene has always stuck with me and it never fails to make me laugh. It’s right up there with Pilate harassing his guards by continually talking about his friend Biggus Dickus. “He has a wife, you know…” 😂
Rags and Fringy's dynamic is an easily overlooked goldmine of entertainment 😂
Fringy obviously dislikes Rags but has to abide him because they are both hosts. It's cringy to see how quickly he tries to call Rags out.
Well said. Its a common dynamic when the "Alpha" Dude has two "best friends," yet the two friends don't really like each other. They just get along because of their loyalty towards the Alpha. This seems to be the situation here, imo.
@@andrewconrad2859true, but it does get annoying how much rags bloody parrots maulers points on things, sometimes it's word for word. Hes also quite full of himself.
@@dustydesertdisciple6290 He's an old dog full with "Biden moments"
@@dustydesertdisciple6290 Can't argue with you. Unfortunately, I can relate to Rags's intellectual self-satisfaction.
DC is doomed, so I’m gonna go watch JLU and act like the past decade didn’t happen.
Except the Snyder trilogy, Wonder Woman and Aquaman.
@@dadocta5168 Wonder Woman 1, Man Of Steel and The Suicide Squad 2 are all I care about
@@dadocta5168 Ok, did you think they were good or did you just like them? I'm curious, because this community has thoughts on the snyder movies, WW and Aquaman
@@dadocta5168 no ESPECIALLY forget about those
@@miep3934 Man of Steel is the best movie ever made, BvS has problems but embodies what a Superhero movie should be (unlike Marvel) Wonder Woman was great except the middle portion, Aquaman was also great except the plothole: how did King Orm get in contact with Black Manta when he hates humans? And ZSJL was the sequel worthy of continuing the story of the best movie ever made.
03:20:00 Funny alternate take would have been Barry 2 going "Martha bought this for us!". Barry 1: "Who's Martha?" Barry 2: "That's my mom's name in my universe." Batman: "WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME!!"
WB I know ya’ll are in financial crisis rn, but for the love of God stop CGI dead actor or uncredited actor without their consent 💀
💯💯💯
You gave them the out of asking for consent, so now they'll just start saying they consulted with a medium and the actors' ghosts agreed to it.
it's up to their estate, and free money speaks volumes I'm sure
@2:41:42 Back when Star Trek used this plot point, they explained that Edith Keeler kept the US out of WWII and that's why Germany conquered the world, hence why there was no Starship Enterprise. Flash's mom went for soup and somehow that causes Clark to lose against Zod. Quite literally a non sequitor.
But it said he was an infant, so not clark and didnt lose cuz wasent a fight lol
Spider Man No Way Home was the right way of bringing in cameos. Flash is a clear example of the WRONG way to add nostalgia cameos!
Between the 2 Across the spider-verse had the most meh way of doing it
Great cameos, dogshit movie.... Not everyone goes into movies going (like some stupid prick) hmmm the writing isnt up to par....... Otherwise every single avengers movie is dogshit..... Yet made billions......
I heard from listening to a stream this movie is called "The Trash" and I have to agree. Even with my personal annoyance of multiverses(Spider-verse is the exception) with superhero films, it takes a special kind of skill to make this kind of movie. WTF. It says a lot when the animated Flashpoint did more with the concept than this movie ever did and in LESS time. And even if we ignore this movie, Spider-Man No Way Home did everything this movie did better. Yes, NWH has its own problems, but at least the cameos had purpose beyond key jangling and the basic story was decent(a bet flawed). This movie you can tell it's been reworked to death and considering how much money was spent on reshoots, this is going to go down as the MOST expensive superhero film ever made. And with the current box office, it's going to flop. The Snyderverse ends on a whimpering note. I hope that James Gunn's reboot is good because seeing DC fail like this hurts my soul.
Too many people put stock in these live-action DCEU movies, when they really should watch the animated ones. From what I’ve heard and seen, they’re consistently solid. Whereas the live-action movies are consistently garbage.
Ehh spider verse’s multiverse is still a jumbled mess as it is now cannon in the MCU, which means it has the same rules. Only thing that makes it acceptable in my eyes is that it’s inside of a pretty good movie. If spider verse was bad, people would be tearing the multiverse up just as bad as anything else.
Everyone always makes an exception for that dogshit spiderboy.......... Why? ONE spiderboy is op so what happens with hundreds if not thousands? It would be the same if all of the supermen decided to just team up...... Like what is the point of the villain even trying at that point?
@@Boss24601ah so shit writing is excused by good movie but its shit writing thus making it dogshit......
On a few different levels, there should be an army of Flash’s:
1) They now know how to hook people into the speed force, and should make more so they have enough meta humans to combat the Kryptonians (or come up with a reason Barry is special, i.e. genetics or something)
2) Barry could overwhelm Zod by going back to the same point in time hundreds/thousands of times to fight him (like a big chrono-punch or multi-stab with the Kryptonian metal). Come to think of it, if Younger Barry kept going back, his tries should have kept adding up until he was overwhelming the Kryptonians. It’s never really explained why, in this case, Barry and Barry only exist in one iteration even when returning to the same point in time that they were still fighting (otherwise, it wouldn’t make sense why Younger Barry exists to begin with).
Nice to see Collin back on for more DC discussion. He seemed a lot more confident in the conversation this time around. :)
He added a few good things to the stream.
And to think Chris Gore said on Drinker's stream that the movie was actually somewhat decent.
I think Gore has not seen Flashpoint Paradox. What he points to as good is Flash's mom dying and Flash realizing he can't save the world as is, which are elements that were better done in the animated movie.
Ironically, Zack Synder would have been the perfect director for Flashpoint Paradox. It's a world with emaciated Superman, Wonder Woman and Aquaman are at war with each other (although she did him a favor by killing Queen Mera, but whatever) and Thomas Wayne shoots all the criminals in their faces. Much better than Zod winning.
@@dragonknightleader1 yeah, but you have to remember that Snyder doesn't like superheroes, much like Garth Ennis and Alan Moore.
Imagine enjoying the odd piece of entertainment even if it's sub standard which you openly admit, couldn't ever be you right?
@@grandarkfang_1482I disagree on Ennis
@@Darek_B52 The guy's hatred of heroes bleeds into everything he makes. His Boys comic is just a 13-year-old edgelord's idea of "what if all superheroes were rapists, murderers, pedos and pyschos?" without an ounce of subtlety. For all the problems the show has, at least it's themes are more interesting.
They really just went and "doubled down" didn't they...
Pretty much
"What can be worse than a movie led by Ezra Miller?"
I thought Zeus being a Kyptonion was a joke about how Russual Crow played both Superman's dad in man of steel and Zeus in Love and Thunder
They should have had Christopher Reeves do his rage spin around the world to delete this awful timeline.
Yeah, why didn't he do that?
Rags is technically correct: It *is* at least one more.
🤔 yeah, I heard many people say it like that. But I'm also not an English teacher.
Is there a difference between "at least" and "at the least" ?
At least two more is not at least one more, because at the minimum it must be 2. 1 is less than 2.
Noooooooooooo
@@pezdispencer113 At least one indicates "One or MORE" not just one. So at least one does in fact include two.
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If I'm not mistaken, Colin Sanders is the second person who became a guest commentator after having one of their videos reviewed by EFAP, Jay Exci being the first.
Edit: It appears I missed at least three other people who were reviewed and later became guests in EFAP. Whoops 😬
I believe M was the second but there may have been someone before him
Does Tonald count?
There was also that lady with the really soft voice (not Aydin Paladin). They watched her No way Home critique and then she was a guest the next week.
Update: Her name is Nutsa.
@@laughingseagull000Nutsa
Jay, M, Tonald, Nutsa and then Colins.
Rags is correct. Anything over 1 is "at least 1." It's kind of pointless to say, if you KNOW it was more than one, but "at least 1" is definitely still correct.
I want to see the universe where they’re all in a giant soup store and the characters are all forced to re-enact the “I’m at soup” sketch from Code MENT.
And then the soup nazi shows up and says the famous line
To be fair, the stuff with the broken system, part of Barry's backstory was that his dad was wrongfully convicted for the murder of his mom.
In the system's defense, "A time-traveler from the future did it," does not amount to a reasonable doubt.
Lol so true. But I don't think that applies to this movie cause zoom aint the one who killed her right?
Gotta side with Rags on this one... by saying "at least ____" you are creating a floor of certainty. If 3 things happened but you are unsure if the other 2 things truly happened as they did, you can say "at least one thing happened". Good job Rags. W
This is a misunderstanding of what was said. If you're sure at least two things happened, you aren't sure at least one thing happened- you're sure MORE than one thing happened, i.e. not at least.
@@takotratheratking7411must mean both. At least one AND at least two.
@@6reen6uy but at least one means no less than one, meaning one is an option, while at least two means no less than two, which means one isnt an option. So rags is wrong
This movie makes Shaq’s Steel (1997) look like a masterpiece by comparison! That’s an EFAP Movies video that’s begging to happen.
DragonLance books had my favorite view on time travel. Basically the flow of time is a great river. A single traveller going back in time, is like throwing a rock in the river. The traveller can cause small ripples in time, but the river flows over the ripples quickly and continues on its course.
None of the butterfly effect shit.
I was really looking forward to this. I was NOT disappointed.
Rags's's's's explanation of how time travel should work is almost verbatim the one they use in Agents of SHIELD.
Yea but in retards rags mind its the right way to do it since rags said it, but if anyone else says it, its wrong cuz it wasent retards rags idea....
A bit sad that the guest got talked over for the majority of this episode… I guess it is because he is not very familiar with this kind of talk. Looking forward to seeing him more in the future, especially regarding the Zack Snyder stuffs.
Was that Colin?
I would strongly defend Batman Returns as a legitimate Christmas movie. it is still to this day my most favorite Batman movie.
That's not even up for debate. It's directly referenced countless times throughout the movie.
@@casbyness that is true. It even starts with the people of Gotham City lighting the Christmas tree on Gotham Square.
Cant wait to see James Gunns current wife in the superman movie.
Me:
"This movie was sh1t."
My future, purple, evil-er self:
"True... ... ... Mom! WHERE MY CHICKEN TENDIES AT???"
F=MA
Aka: Force equals Mass times acceleration. The Flash punching you at the speed of sound would literally be like being hit by a cannon ball if not more harmful. Now increase his speed to like twenty time the speed of sound or even any relativistic speeds and he's hitting with the impact of anything from a small bomb to a nuclear warhead. Let's remember his body also resists the impact which means either he is basically invulnerable (so bullets shouldn't hurt him, nor kryptonian punches) or when "cloaked" in the speed force his body resists movement down to the atomic level aka punches, bullets, explosions, etc should do nothing to him.
Flash is genuinely the most powerful super hero ever written because of how absurdly broken physics is. Yet in these movies it's never a matter of "He's not able to go this fast" or "He lacks experience to use his power properly" it's always a matter of the writer having the most severe adhd in history (Yes its offensive to adhd patients including me. I know, ) and forgetting physics are a thing or just deciding to randomly nerf him like he's a league of legends champion!
Flash is also one of the best heroes because of his personality, in several itterations he's shown downright talking to the bad guys and improving their day because he just cares about everyone. Flash is the heart of the justice league and is their hidden powerhouse! God I love him! Do the flash justice dammit! I'll just got back to the cartoon I guess...
What was I writing? Oh right!: Flash OP plz nerf, but properly not at random you shit writers!
Edit: apparently now youtube is like "Help us keep comments respectful" fuck you youtube!
Pretty much, yeah. Most people don't realise that Flash is effectively Superman in how he fights/battles crime and his attitude. He only goes to the level he thinks he needs to to battle his enemies. It's why he can sometimes get caught out. Batman fights crime to take out his pain on the criminals, Supes and both Barry and Wally fight crime to make the world a better place.
Side note - From what I understand, Flashes are cloaked in the Speed Force. I believe this is mostly subconscious, hence why he can not take damage running at speeds or punching someone/something, but can be hurt if blind sided.
So to fix his mistake with the soup, Flash lets his mother die, but creates exonerating evidence for his father. But then, would his father be in jail in the first place? If there was evidence that he was not the killer for the whole time, why is he in jail and why wasn't the actual killer found and jailed?
And even if he fixes his own mistake, how can he come back to his own timeline and why is there no Flash present in that timeline?
You're probably right there.
There's a theory that this movie had a cut ending where in order to fix everything Barry has to go back and kill his mom as a twist on the reverse flash reveal. Whether it would've been good or bad I can't say but the puzzle pieces definitely fit if that was the intended ending.
I think that was one of the few things they got right because they did set up that the camera evidence was unviewable up until like a day before the trial when some Wayne corp tech was able to clean up the imagery
Why aren't heroes acting like heroes anymore?..well..the nail that sticks out gets hammered..thats why...comrade.
To answer your question about how the burrito works, if Billy is moving normally then it behaves like a normal burrito. But if he's moving at super speed, the second the burrito touches his mouth it would dissolve into pure energy
*Rags is right*
If _x=2_ or _x=3_ , both _x ≥ 1_ (Rags) and _x ≥ 2_ (commonwealth flakes) are *both equally correct*
Here's how the latter looks mathematically for both scenarios, _3 ≥ 1_ (correct or true), _3 ≥ 2_ (correct or true).
*Both are equally correct* . More importantly, *Neither are incorrect*
32:36 *Looks down one path and sees The Lord of Ring Gollum. Looks down other path and sees Rubber CGI Ezra Miller*
What a bizarre experience this movie had to be! I've seen a lot those; you can't change the past and you should just let go and move on with your life stories; in form of movies, anime, novels, even one of episode of Stargate SG1 was about that. One of the worst examples of this was 2002 adaptation of "The Time Machine", one of the best was "Groundhog day" in which Bill's Murray character is caught in time loop and time after time he tries to save old, homeless man from dying but he just can't do it - man is old, weak and he spend most of his life on the street. His time simply come - you can make last day of his life to be happy but you can't save him. His death is unavoidable and that's good example of destiny in movies - after all people don't live forever. But in case of "Flash" it seems that authors decided to be lazy and said that heroes can't defeat Zod and his people just because... Listening to description of this film I was confused about how authors can even suggest that Zod is invincible - in original timeline he was defeated by newbie Superman and here he had to fought Supergirl, two Flashes and Batman and yet he kept winning ? That's why I usually hate destiny in movies; it's excuse for bad, lazy writing - events had to unfold in certain way just because we said so! Just like in terrible "Arrival" movie which is completely base on circular logic. The only thing that I understand is that Batman 89 don't want to face against Kryptonians - it wouldn't be hard to write the line from him in which he justify why he won't fight; "Alien soldiers with super technology and super powers and I'm just old man in the bat suit.
Agreed on everything except Arrival - determinism can work and that movie demonstrates how, just like e.g. 12 Monkeys. Time Machine etc. and The Flash are stupid because their power of time travel is unlimited and completely unaffected by the time travel itself, as in there is no loop being created where what they did in the past affects themselves in the future and leads back to them traveling in time in the first place, and they still insist on destiny being a thing. Even though they should easily be able to change it, the universe just "insists" on certain "canon events" being a thing, like the Time Machine creator's wife dying. No matter how hard he tries to save her, the universe would randomly decide to throw lightning at her because it "wants" her specifically to die, it's just stupid.
Agree about Arrival, the movie wasn't good, but it treated time pretty respectfully.
If Zeus was Kryptonian, how did he become a Force lightning-wielding Sith, what does his being Kryptonian mean for the rest of the Greek pantheon, and how does this tie into Shazam (the Z stands for Zeus, after all) with all the magical supernatural powers and such when Kryptonians are aliens with special abilities due to biology rather than magic? I'm guessing Zack Snyder didn't think through the implications on the wider universe. He probably just thought, "This is a cool idea!" and left it at that. Not that its absence from the actual films makes the DC cinematic universe any less incoherent.
I refuse to see this movie solely bc of what ezra miller has done. Im a keaton batman fan, i dont mind the flash, but i hate ezra
Good for you, I won't watch this hot garbage because I don't have shit taste and garbage movies are rarely short these days.
Yeah normally I separate art from artist but like... there's a limit.
Something I haven’t seen anyone mention but the poster of Raquel Welch Barry phases through to grab the beers is the same one in Andy Dufresne’s cell hiding the hole in Shawshank
So the movie understands how to do good references WITH subtlety, but regularly chooses to just dangle it 3 inches from your face
the fact Reverse Flash is not in this movie is baffling. How you justify Flashpoint without him? You don't, apparently. Now we have a movie who doesn't even have a villain.
Going to see it tomorrow night. Can't wait to watch this afterwards
What did you think?
Can we please just put the DCEU and the Snyder Era behind us? I'm no DC fan but the animated series of the Justice League made me legit upset to see them butchered like that. When you compare Man of Steel to something like Superman vs the Elite, you start to wonder what we did wrong to be punished like that.
And that is not to say we can't have alternative Superman stories. But if we get them, can we make them good? When the Flash is done well, he's my favorite JL member. He doesn't deserve this...
Its insane how even though Marvel has some absolute horror stories describing their productions, with a fourth of the number of movies, the DCEU beats them out there. This movie and Snydercut/Josstice are the final bosses of borked productioning.
I just find it funny that "The Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya" from 13 years ago has a better explanation of Time-Travel and alternative Timelines than a supposed AAA Hollywood blockbuster.
Tbf they also aired the same episode for 8 weeks for a time loop arc
@@mrminecraftcubeableand it was based
@@ArtekGeneral bold ? Very but it also seems like it was bad for viewership
the "let's get nuts!" line i think was a reference to the line from Prince's song, "Let's go crazy." in the song he says "Let's go crazy, let's get nuts." and Prince did the soundtrack to Batman '89. i remember as a huge Prince as a kid, when Bruce said that line in Batman '89, a big ol' smile was on my face. thank god i lived through the hype of that movie, because back then, there was nothing like it.
Blue Beetle + Lock Balls = Blue Balls
I love the comics and the Flashpoint comic is great but I've always found it funny how Barry's mom is such a focal point in the DC universe that causes these other events to happen different.
Movie: By Barry putting an extra can of tomatoes, Aquaman's mom never washes ashore which prevents his birth, Steve Trevor never goes to Themyscira to persuade Diana (or Themyscira never existed), Clark's pod somehow goes off course to be captured and killed by Zod, Bruce somehow gets his birthday pushed back because he's older than normal timeline Bruce. All of this because of a can of tomatoes. I would love to see a film how this one can of tomatoes caused all these separate events to happen.
I don't think Barry's mom the focal point that changes everything, but is instead Barry going back in time. Or, at the very least, that's what I feel like should be the actual explanation. Gives a solid explanation as to why Flash just can't rewind time every time something bad happens that isn't just "Uh, you save someone and accidentally cause WW3 to happen because uh..... Butterfly effect or something."
@@Birthday888 Then I guess the movie needs to explain that better because that's how time travel works. In other time travel movies the present changes because of something done in the past. In Back to the Future, Biff gives his younger self the Almanac which allows him to become a tyrannical billionaire in the present. In Hot Tub Time Machine, Lou stays in the past with knowledge of the present which allows him to become a billionaire. The only thing the flash does not do in the movie is give anyone in the past knowledge of the present. So by planting that extra can of tomatoes in the basket, it does cause these other events to happen somehow because of the butterfly effect. I guess the writers just don't understand time travel.
@@daytonsimpson9963 I do understand the butterfly effect, I just find it lazy when it's used to justify such vast changes to the timeline with no correlation between the change and the corresponding effect. Like, in Back To The Future, there's a direct link between Biff getting knowledge of the future and him become filthy rich. I can follow that logic. Not so much by how saving Barry's mom also somehow ends up turning Thomas Wayne into the Batman
I'm enjoying this one so far. 😅
The Reverse Flash probably killed his mother and was probably in the original script but we'll never ever know
Hopefully there won't given how bad this movie is.
I'm just going to say what I said before. We need a General Zod Multiverse movie where he rules Krypton-Earth, has loyal humans, and is rebuilding the Kryptonian race. it's going to take decades to even get a few thousand to a hundred thousand Kryptonians. And he's a military ruler. why wouldn't he have millions, perhaps a billion, of humans, farming, and producing things? building the world for the Kryptonian up, give them the blueprints. in exchange, humanity gets to occupy 10 percent of each continent in noncritical areas except for one which will be designated the Kryptonian retreat continent. On top of which his plans to probably later colonize Mars.
Maybe he's converting Earth to Krypton for reasons, so in turn, he's running a second operation to turn Mars or Venus into a second Earth and working on processing the atmosphere there. In fact the Kryptonian could probably just transform Venus, and survive the elements there after they clear the clouds out, so they have superpowers, build dome cities, and they can let humans exist as part of their empire. Nothing says Zod has to be a cruel general, he could be somewhat benevolent once he's dealt with how pissed off he was at being sent to the phantom zone in that one movie.
So whatever is happening, humans living in dome cities, Kryptonians living in dome cities, producing tons of war materials and getting ready to go on a galactic crusade. could make a fun film series.
Also, why would Zod kill a baby of a smart scientist? he's probably someone that believes in eugenics a bit and would probably be someone who would want the baby of someone who he tried to get to serve him, and who refused to, to get that baby indoctrinated to his way of thinking and his plans for the world.
There was a Red Son Superman, where he served the Soviets, why not one where he ends up indoctrinated to serve Zod, could make for some great movies watching humans and Kryptonians enslaving the galaxy, raiding worlds, and conquering planetary governments. building new cities, blah bla bla glorious war as they serve Zod. Then Zod either turns on them or stays a true Antihero and honors them. superman turns on him or stays a true anti-hero. in fact, this could be the anti-hero universe of the multiverse.
maybe he lied when he said kal el didn't survive. maybe he wasn't that wasteful and was just antagonizing her to test her abilities and reactions to see if he could get her to serve.
01:12:52 making the guys laugh with my comment is a nice thing that happened :)
At the end of the movie, I was hoping Christian Bale was going to show, and it was going to be set in Nolan's universe to have it be more grounded instead of high scale.
There seems to be multiple times in the movie where they've given the scrip to the wrong character. "Are these the humans we came to protect" is the most glaring example, there is no fucking way in any of the infinite fucking universes that Batman would say that. A kryptonian that's been in a russian funhouse for years? Yeah, that sounds more likely.
"at least 1" == "not less than 1"
2 films is certainly "not less than 1"
gollum won the argument
well, there have been numerous versions of Invasion of The Body Snatchers. there was the original black & white film from 1956, the outstanding 1978 remake, a remake from 1993 that had R Lee Ermey, Gabrielle Anwar, Billy Wirth, Terry Kinney, Meg Tilly, Christine Elise, & Forest Whitaker in it, and then The Invasion from 2007. there was also 2 TV series in the form of ABC's Invasion (2005) and Apple TV+'s Invasion (2021).
No rags is completely right, if there is AT LEAST 1, than anything that comes after 1 is valid because it is still at the very least, 1.
Except they didn't say there were 2, they said there were AT LEAST 2, which means at least 1 is incorrect (or at the very least misleading) because it's impossible for there to have been just 1. Basically 'at least 2' replaces 'at least 1' as the correct thing to say if you know that the number can't be 1 itself.
@@mrmcawesome9746 no.... lets put it this way "at least" is the same as saying "equal to or greater", which means both "at least 1" and "at least 2" are correct.
@@mrmcawesome9746"at least 2" is a subset of "at least 1". Anything that is "at least 2" is also, always and without question, "at least 1". This is trivial logic.
@@asdf12369 If I were to ask you for a set of numbers that doesn't contain 1, you could give me "at least 2" ( or greater than or equal to 2, as someone pointed out for some reason?), and it'd be a valid answer, while "at least 1" would not, despite "at least 2" being its subset. That's why the concept of "at least 2" exists, to describe situations in which 1 is not a valid answer. If you're still hung up, here are some examples:
A multiple star system contains at least 3 stars. Not at least 2 or 1, because it, by definition, wouldn't be a multiple star system at that point.
For a group of people to exist, there needs to be at least 2 people present. Not at least 1, because 1 person can't form a group on their own.
A pair of legs is made up of at least 2 legs, because 1 leg isn't a pair.
Mauler and Rags watched at least 2 movies, because we were already made aware of 2 movies that they watched, and they therefore could not have watched just 1.
Im so happy all these movies suck because im saving a lot of money.
I mean I'd prefer if they were good. But hey if youre so cheap youd prefer not to watch good movies then youre basically in heaven!
@@Canibalteaspoon159…name a not 3/10 DC movie.
@@Canibalteaspoon159 As if only Disney and DC make movies, lmao.
Barry time travels in Batman V Superman to warn Bruce about the superman danger, then saves the team in justice league, then somehow discovers he can rime travel in his own film? They didn't even try to watch the past films to make everything make sense
Well would that not alter the timeline thus making it so he doesent know? Makes sense to me.......
How does flash run up a building? 2 possibilities.
1. the thing keeping you stuck to the wall is inertia, you can see this with parkour guys, when they try running up a wall from standing still, they will not get far, if they get a bit of a running start, they can get further up, flash is basicly a bullet, so his inertia is probably great enough to keep him stuck to a wall for far longer...
2. in the other movies they explain that part of his power is build up of static charge, static charge is known to have an effect similar to a magnet, where things get stuck to you... perhaps its something like that.
The "trying all combinations" thing is probably a reference to the Justice League cartoon show, except the cartoon did it way better, because Flash didn't actually figure out the combination, Batman knew it, and there was character reasons why he knew it.
Yeah when I heard them say that I thought of that scene immediately.
5:04:00 is basically the ATHF episode where Carl ruins another Carl's life and then just doesn't care after the fact after witnessing the alternate carl commit suicide by the end
Also if they made batman and robin canon, that means joker no longer got to kill robin, possibly meaning a certain Harley is no longer canon
no longer Jared Leto joker.. I mean, this could have been a positive movie... damn
Ezra Miller played Ezra Miller in this flash movie for some reason
He should be renamed to The Flasher.
0:00 Music & XMen
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Rags is that one friend that has to get the last word on every singe point being made by the panel. Really loves the sound of his voice that fella.
Yet they insist on inviting him to every EFAP despite it being jarring.
I like him, but yeah, he should really work on that
Hes also an extremely arrogant prick that thinks far too highly of himself, and i quote "im never wrong" even if joking that makes him an asshole directly...... And would make him the textbook definition of a narcissist..... Which is legit a mental illness
I get the impression he's at the point where he's made it his "character" on the show and double downs on it. He's probably like this in real life but knows when to shut the f- up, but smashes through that point on EFAP to play up his Rags persona. And I really wish he'd stop. He's the main reason I have to keep taking breaks from the show.
2:52:10 at the end of the movie it's the wrong tooth that falls out! In the scene where it falls out its his left side front tooth, and at the end its his right side front tooth
I thought I was the only one who saw it.
Another great show, great points, very funny. Yay YT algorythm!
If there's one thing I learned about the super simple time travel thing it's *Jangle Jangle* OOOOooo! Keys! Welp, gotta go. Have a good one all!
The answer to what's the difference between moving fast enough to travel through time and moving fast enough to travel through realities is one requires the cosmic treadmill, a device that allows you to synch the vibrational frequency of you molecules to that of other realities. But apparently this film didn't bother.
The flash on cw did a better job with flashpoint better flash all round lol
Rags was a nightmare this entire stream and I loved it, a true shibe
Rags ego has just grown far too large, he just thinks the shit he says cant be wrong, hes the person who says no two plus two isnt four its twenty two cuz i said so..... Which weirdly is the same thing narcissists and abusers say
This "film" is actually a good argument in favor of ignoring the writer's strike and just going forward with AI generated scripts.
Would greatly increase the quality
Wouldn't be better, just stupid in a different way. I truly think AI would make the most boring and predictable movies ever
2:36:20
To clear up confusion, Batman Forever and Batman & Robin are not considered to be apart of the Tim Burton movies, as they were made by Joel Schumaker (probably misspelled that).
Break the sound barrier you create a sonic boom. You broke the time barrier, time boom. Thats the explanation the animated version gives for why aquaman and wonder woman gets affected.
Yes but these buffoons need it directly explained cuz it wasent in the movie.....
What a great episode ❤
2:42:15 I've definitely seen this, where everyone interprets what the rules are (if there are any) differently, yet they're all telling each other "Did you even watch the movie? It's clearly explained. It's spaghetti." I've also seen people claim "Time travel isn't real, so it never makes sense. Shut up and enjoy it." To which I would counter that, surely, some time travel movies and their rules make more logical speculative sense than others. Back to the Future lays out its rules and (mostly) sticks to them more than most other time travel movies, especially ones that seem to think that calling out BttF as bullshit is an easy lampshade to convince people that "We're doing it better. Just don't think about it, because we told you that BttF did it worse. Trust us."
Okay so I know no one care but like Rags saying "at least one more" was literally correct. "at least" means that many or more.
if there are two there is not at least one there is at least two. 'at least' is the smallest possible amount, and if there are at least two, one is smaller than the lowest possible amount
@@takotratheratking7411 2 >= 1
@@asdf12369 What