And much like the Chinese, it takes insiders, traitors, false leaders to allow it in. The Chinese are as responsible for falling to the Opium Wars as we are to the Fentanyl Crisis. It’s our own fault.
@@josephbeccalori4970 Na it's definitely purely a mistake and coincidence and China has no idea how western countries manage not to accidentally flood the world with precursors. Just a big old oops.
@fleckensteleworm4889 ya but like if he made another modern civilization about like UK or something, he would now have to say understanding modern civilization of UK or something like that 😭
You’re an encyclopedia. Hire a legit editor, have ur homie script some questions beforehand, upload to the apple podcast app, and my guy you have yourself a hit podcast. You’re a gem, please make it happen!
I feel like you've listened to the criticism from the comments and have polished up the channel in this latest video. I hope this continues and the channel gets even better
the spanish gave the chinese SILVER not gold to buy their stuff. Cause the Ming had a silver-currency at that time and needed more money in order to keep deflation down, thats why the trade with the spanish was attrative. For this see: David Landes, The Wealth and Poverty Nations.
7:16 Kings and Generals is doing a podcast called "The Fall and Rise of China". (Based on current events, they might want to update that name....) In the first few episodes they go over the fall of the Ming as more of an internal collapse that the Manchus exploited rather than a military conquest by the latter.
I really feel like the discussion about the opium war would have benefited from mentioning Mercantilism and it's assumption that specie (precious metal) was the most important thing in the economy and healthy economies needed to accumulate it. Still an excellent discussion, but you really should think about adding someone to bounce your ideas off to make it more conversational.
Would be interesting to do an analysis to the effect of modern civilization on the various civilization,so the effect of modernity on India,latin America, Africa etc
Well for Latin America, there’s not really much pushback. Places like Brazil or Argentina have adopted a lot of modern values and beliefs, but they still have their own issues in corruption and etc. Africa arguably has been affected the most due to basically relying on the modern system for everything, not to mention most states being created simply for division as a way to divide and conquer the local populations. India has been doing really well but is also way too westernized and is forgetting its own culture. That’s the trade you get with modernity, your culture gets replaced by current western culture in exchange for economic growth, industrialization and bigger political power.
I do appreciate the content of the channel and the changes made, but I would consider having part 2's to most of these subjects where Rudyard covers topics that weren't given enough time. We always run out of time each vid yet going over an hour would probably stop me from following so maybe just "colonial american part 2" or same with china, rome, etc. Enjoying these and hope it finds the audience
Excellent video but honestly it was very summarized. I know it's hard to focus in on the most important parts of a country's history but I definitely believe you should've gone more in depth with post WWII China. That's the part Americans don't understand but need to. Good video tho. I vote you do a history of the Eastern Roman Empires Rise or a video on Ancient - Classical Egypt.
17:20 It's not the "red faces" you were right with "red heads" as that's the Chinese name for Europeans at that time. It was a catch all for all Europeans as some early ones did have red hair. So all Europeans got the name "red heads" and the channel "The historian's craft" has a great video on this titled "The New Qing Historiography" and basically asked why they didn't have a foreign policy.
“due to the aid of so viet, the com munist won" that's partial. he left out the fact that the US arm embargoed the na tionalist gov in an effort to force them to make peace, while the sov iets aided the com munists, so it was a combination of sov iet aid and amer ican bac kstabbing.
23:27 Hakka is not an ethnic minority, but a Chinese subgroup minority in many southern provinces. Taiwan and Hong Kong also hv a significant population of Hakkas too. There are many “indigenous” Hakka villages in Hong Kong and some areas in Taiwan are Hakka-speaking. They became a distinct group because they gradually migrated south between the fall of Song Dynasty and the Mongol invasion (Yuan Dynasty), and caused conflict with the locals (mostly with the Cantonese) which lead them to settle in the mountains.
26:35 history in China serves a political purpose: nationalism or CCP legitimacy this is why a lot of history museums in China all have a red section stuff like the Taiping rebellion or Jingnan rebellion aren't going to be talked about as it'll increase the rivalry between north and south China Jingnan rebellion= this led Beijing to become the capital, and 长三角 lost its political significance (not economic)
Those buildings are built extremely poorly. They won’t last another 10 years. There are already buildings that are collapsing that were built less than 10 years ago.
The then British/China trade was done in silver. Although the Chinese did have paper money, the British notes were no good there. That was why the British sold opium - to get silver to buy tea and silk.
Definitely disagree with the last statement. If China was capitalist which would make it the number one economic power everyone would benefit. There would be more capital more wealth and more investors. The economic pie would grow, it’s not a zero sum game.
17:36 Maori don't refer to white people as "pale ghosts", they use the word "Pākehā". There are many specious etymologies of this word, the most entertaining of which is that that "Pā" means "fortress" and "keha" means smelly; a description of the ships that Europeans arrived in
It’s very interesting to hear the history on China, but saddens me that the Chinese government is angry with the US. We never colonized them, introduce drugs, etc and somehow we’re the bad guys.
A great video! Aside from the average chinese being much happier much easier, the scenario of a victory of the nationalists after WW2 Makes me wonder if as humanity as a whole would be economically and scientifically more advanced. Oh, and the 1000 years of stagnation are a great warning to ever nation on earth(right now especially in the west) how easy it is to fall behind.
Likely the same. We like to think that nationalist china would’ve made china so great but I doubt it would be like that considering every ruler before them sort of did the same things
everyone wanted to pass the imperial examination for the sake of pride and a good job and no one wanted to get into private entrepreneurship except the people in Guangdong, Zhejiang either because of lack of skills and connections or because the Chinese look down on entrepreneurs 士农工商
merchants in traditional China are usually seen as people who take advantage of others and don't produce anything of value they just buy something cheap and sell it at a higher price
I really like this series, however this episode was meh. Maybe I'm just knowledgeable on post 1800s China, but this episode didn't really do justice to events such as the Xinhai Rebellion, Japanese conquest of China, etc.
While in general I hold Rudyard's understanding and teaching of history in high regard, I think he's falling susceptible to propaganda in calling Mao the world's largest mass murder. Largest mass man-slaughter-er, sure. But this 40 million is based on famine, and that famine was not arranged by Mao, he largely wasn't aware it was ongoing. It was caused by rural area leaders lying about their agricultural production and sending their food quotas, but leaving the villages without food. And like you said, the goal was to increase agricultural yeilds, not decrease. He followed Soviet advice. Now he did kill a bunch of people like teachers. But the famine isn't like the Ukrainian famine.
@@theredknight9314 That only makes it manslaughter, not mass murder. I mean, Mao was certainly a mass murder, but calling him the largest in History is misrepresenting the facts. The goal of the agricultural programs was to increase food output, certainly not kill the farmers. And even then, he was following Soviet advise, the soil types simply differ.
@@neolithictransitrevolution427right so the programs that he was responsible for conceptualizing AND implementing on a national level had the effect of mass murdering millions of civilians. Man slaughtering 40 million is mass murdering 40 million whether he held the sickle to their throat or not
NGL but it's always so misleading to state "Europeans controlled most of the world". Since only a very small minority of Europeans had any empire, let alone a colonial one. It's like explaining Indian civilization and using the term Asia... As if all of the events applied equally across asia. Yet when you are talking about it you don't mean European, you mean English, French and perhaps Spanish, Portuguese or Dutch. That's it. But at the same time you kind of cognitively deselect Russia, thought they are in the group. As a result you have some 6 nations and civilisations when you use a term that contains over 40 different Civs.
Almost every other dynasty in the Chinese history were results of conquests by nomadic tribes from inner Asia. This includes Tang dynasty which is supposed to be the pinnacle of the Han greatness. The emperors were later reinvented to be of Han ethnicity by Chinese historians.
Rudyard, you should do a bookshelf tour video
Great idea
Mao also tried to kill all the martial arts master in fear they would train a rebel army
Opium wars being an apt description of current US is particularly "ironic" because 90% of Fentynal comes through the Cartels from China
And much like the Chinese, it takes insiders, traitors, false leaders to allow it in. The Chinese are as responsible for falling to the Opium Wars as we are to the Fentanyl Crisis. It’s our own fault.
It's almost as if they know the history and are doing it as revenge....
@@josephbeccalori4970 Na it's definitely purely a mistake and coincidence and China has no idea how western countries manage not to accidentally flood the world with precursors. Just a big old oops.
How is that ironic? It seems like a logical conclusion and expected retribution.
@@josephbeccalori4970 To be fair it is almost as if that problematic do better okay no just no.
Wrong title lol.
What was the old title ?
@@awesomestevie27 explaining modern civilization.
@@SiegfriedVonKrauseI knew that's what it was when I added it to watch later
Autocorrect China to Civilization?
Based
It should be modern Chinese civilization 😭
China is the only modern civilization!
[Xi Jinping]
China IS civilization - and #1
Technically, it’s modern civilization*.
😭
@fleckensteleworm4889 ya but like if he made another modern civilization about like UK or something, he would now have to say understanding modern civilization of UK or something like that 😭
You’re an encyclopedia. Hire a legit editor, have ur homie script some questions beforehand, upload to the apple podcast app, and my guy you have yourself a hit podcast. You’re a gem, please make it happen!
I like how amateurish it is.
I feel like you've listened to the criticism from the comments and have polished up the channel in this latest video. I hope this continues and the channel gets even better
the spanish gave the chinese SILVER not gold to buy their stuff. Cause the Ming had a silver-currency at that time and needed more money in order to keep deflation down, thats why the trade with the spanish was attrative.
For this see: David Landes, The Wealth and Poverty Nations.
Yes but they used both silver and gold to fund the trade so the traded gold for silver.
7:16 Kings and Generals is doing a podcast called "The Fall and Rise of China". (Based on current events, they might want to update that name....) In the first few episodes they go over the fall of the Ming as more of an internal collapse that the Manchus exploited rather than a military conquest by the latter.
I really feel like the discussion about the opium war would have benefited from mentioning Mercantilism and it's assumption that specie (precious metal) was the most important thing in the economy and healthy economies needed to accumulate it. Still an excellent discussion, but you really should think about adding someone to bounce your ideas off to make it more conversational.
I'm glad I'm privileged enough to know of this very specific corner of CZcams were I can indulge a very specific nerd itch with a few other people
Would be interesting to do an analysis to the effect of modern civilization on the various civilization,so the effect of modernity on India,latin America, Africa etc
Well for Latin America, there’s not really much pushback. Places like Brazil or Argentina have adopted a lot of modern values and beliefs, but they still have their own issues in corruption and etc. Africa arguably has been affected the most due to basically relying on the modern system for everything, not to mention most states being created simply for division as a way to divide and conquer the local populations. India has been doing really well but is also way too westernized and is forgetting its own culture. That’s the trade you get with modernity, your culture gets replaced by current western culture in exchange for economic growth, industrialization and bigger political power.
crazy how this channel is only at 10k subscribers... your whoel audience should appreciate these talks
The eight countries alliance against China and Boxer = G7 + Russian - Canada + Belgium. May be G7 today is very triggering for Chinese😮
I do appreciate the content of the channel and the changes made, but I would consider having part 2's to most of these subjects where Rudyard covers topics that weren't given enough time. We always run out of time each vid yet going over an hour would probably stop me from following so maybe just "colonial american part 2" or same with china, rome, etc. Enjoying these and hope it finds the audience
Really interesting for me I didn’t know much about any of this until now!
Excellent video but honestly it was very summarized. I know it's hard to focus in on the most important parts of a country's history but I definitely believe you should've gone more in depth with post WWII China. That's the part Americans don't understand but need to. Good video tho. I vote you do a history of the Eastern Roman Empires Rise or a video on Ancient - Classical Egypt.
Thanks obama
These videos are podcast I’m pre sure there not really planned out like his actual channel videos
Thousands of years condensed down into less than one hour in a casual chat podcast, what did you expect.
@notsocrates9529 I'm just giving a critique is all. I enjoyed the podcast.
I’m excited to see this next video. 👍
17:20 It's not the "red faces" you were right with "red heads" as that's the Chinese name for Europeans at that time.
It was a catch all for all Europeans as some early ones did have red hair. So all Europeans got the name "red heads" and the channel "The historian's craft" has a great video on this titled "The New Qing Historiography" and basically asked why they didn't have a foreign policy.
This is precisely a topic I could probably have an entire podcast series on hahaha
great stuff guys
10:57. That also reminds me of another quote, "victory has defeated you." Which is an apt description of China's history.
I feel like I've seen this title somewhere before...... lol
18:30 the chinese would only trade in silver, the british were bankrupting themselves and their silver reserves were almost depleted, hence opium.
When can I be in one of your podcasts?
You can leave your home town you just won’t get social services like your kids can’t go to the school. There has been some reform on this lately
@18:30 - Opium, isn't it also a lot easier to force your hand if the enemy is stoned all the time?
Do the 30 years war
Arent ai going to replace everyone regardless?
“due to the aid of so viet, the com munist won" that's partial. he left out the fact that the US arm embargoed the na tionalist gov in an effort to force them to make peace, while the sov iets aided the com munists, so it was a combination of sov iet aid and amer ican bac kstabbing.
42:30 the nationalists believe China will keep getting better and better because all they've experienced in their life is just growth and good times
23:27 Hakka is not an ethnic minority, but a Chinese subgroup minority in many southern provinces. Taiwan and Hong Kong also hv a significant population of Hakkas too. There are many “indigenous” Hakka villages in Hong Kong and some areas in Taiwan are Hakka-speaking.
They became a distinct group because they gradually migrated south between the fall of Song Dynasty and the Mongol invasion (Yuan Dynasty), and caused conflict with the locals (mostly with the Cantonese) which lead them to settle in the mountains.
“Everybody” and “all” are words to be skeptical of.
26:35 history in China serves a political purpose: nationalism or CCP legitimacy
this is why a lot of history museums in China all have a red section
stuff like the Taiping rebellion or Jingnan rebellion aren't going to be talked about as it'll increase the rivalry between north and south China
Jingnan rebellion= this led Beijing to become the capital, and 长三角 lost its political significance (not economic)
Those buildings are built extremely poorly. They won’t last another 10 years. There are already buildings that are collapsing that were built less than 10 years ago.
I fucking love this content.
I knew China was All of Civilization!
In a way yes
5. "The Chinese Opium Wars" - Jack Beeching ...Dig the sacking of the Summer Palace toward the book's end.
The then British/China trade was done in silver. Although the Chinese did have paper money, the British notes were no good there. That was why the British sold opium - to get silver to buy tea and silk.
Man, Spain was industrialized before entering the EU, very very basic mystake.
A great book for your spirit world video would be Orthodoxy and the Religion of the Future by Seraphim Rose.
Nice, Title Fixed!
Every video:
"Amoree de Riencorp" - Whatifalthist
Definitely disagree with the last statement. If China was capitalist which would make it the number one economic power everyone would benefit. There would be more capital more wealth and more investors. The economic pie would grow, it’s not a zero sum game.
"you are not allowed to leave your home town".... 15 minute cities... ..damn.
Free Tibet, Hong Kong and Mongolia
Merica! F*ck yeah! Freedom is the only way yeah!
SAY MORE!
South East Asia please.
This feels a lot like a whatifaltist video title...
17:36 Maori don't refer to white people as "pale ghosts", they use the word "Pākehā". There are many specious etymologies of this word, the most entertaining of which is that that "Pā" means "fortress" and "keha" means smelly; a description of the ships that Europeans arrived in
Confirmed ccp spy with this title
Minor title error
Chinese labor was dirt cheap + transportation costs were very high.
Rudyard, British people have clearer red shading in their faces than the rest Europe on average
It’s very interesting to hear the history on China, but saddens me that the Chinese government is angry with the US. We never colonized them, introduce drugs, etc and somehow we’re the bad guys.
A great video!
Aside from the average chinese being much happier much easier, the scenario of a victory of the nationalists after WW2 Makes me wonder if as humanity as a whole would be economically and scientifically more advanced. Oh, and the 1000 years of stagnation are a great warning to ever nation on earth(right now especially in the west) how easy it is to fall behind.
Likely the same. We like to think that nationalist china would’ve made china so great but I doubt it would be like that considering every ruler before them sort of did the same things
I don't understand, what was so wrong with having a negative trade balance?
Sounds like it was just British greed.
In the days of the gold standard pre- WWI a negative trade balance meant you needed to shrink your economy.
@@bevbevan6189oh because you will never see that gold again, thanks for explaining!
@@bevbevan6189 thanks for explaining!
Bro ,ain’t nobody using that much concrete in 10 years. There ain’t a concrete mixer big enough 😮
Is common ground over?
I like turtles. 😎
“Sorry, California. China. Same thing.” Okay Steven Crowder 😂
everyone wanted to pass the imperial examination for the sake of pride and a good job
and no one wanted to get into private entrepreneurship except the people in Guangdong, Zhejiang either because of lack of skills and connections or because the Chinese look down on entrepreneurs
士农工商
merchants in traditional China are usually seen as people who take advantage of others and don't produce anything of value
they just buy something cheap and sell it at a higher price
Naw, it's for the algorithm. Retitled after the critical period.
What about the coming descent into warlordism?
Im actually very interested to see how it would play out in our modern era where everything is so connected
I really like this series, however this episode was meh. Maybe I'm just knowledgeable on post 1800s China, but this episode didn't really do justice to events such as the Xinhai Rebellion, Japanese conquest of China, etc.
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Wrong title.. good video though!
China Numba Wan!
While in general I hold Rudyard's understanding and teaching of history in high regard, I think he's falling susceptible to propaganda in calling Mao the world's largest mass murder. Largest mass man-slaughter-er, sure. But this 40 million is based on famine, and that famine was not arranged by Mao, he largely wasn't aware it was ongoing. It was caused by rural area leaders lying about their agricultural production and sending their food quotas, but leaving the villages without food.
And like you said, the goal was to increase agricultural yeilds, not decrease. He followed Soviet advice.
Now he did kill a bunch of people like teachers. But the famine isn't like the Ukrainian famine.
Agreed, he did do bad things but this wasn’t directly under his orders. He like anyone is still suspecible to propaganda no matter how educated.
Bro. The faminine ONLY happened because of maos communist revolution.
Meaning that its because of mao that people starved.
It *IS* his fault
@@theredknight9314 That only makes it manslaughter, not mass murder.
I mean, Mao was certainly a mass murder, but calling him the largest in History is misrepresenting the facts. The goal of the agricultural programs was to increase food output, certainly not kill the farmers. And even then, he was following Soviet advise, the soil types simply differ.
@@neolithictransitrevolution427 nope. He is solely responsible for their death. If your ideas as a leader get people killed then you are a mass murder
@@neolithictransitrevolution427right so the programs that he was responsible for conceptualizing AND implementing on a national level had the effect of mass murdering millions of civilians. Man slaughtering 40 million is mass murdering 40 million whether he held the sickle to their throat or not
It wasn't the most rapid growth in history on a per person level.
Quite mediocre really.
No new shows lol. Given up
He said something about Season 1 being over in a recent interview and that he’d be back. So it seems to be a lull rather than a finish.
NGL but it's always so misleading to state "Europeans controlled most of the world".
Since only a very small minority of Europeans had any empire, let alone a colonial one.
It's like explaining Indian civilization and using the term Asia... As if all of the events applied equally across asia.
Yet when you are talking about it you don't mean European, you mean English, French and perhaps Spanish, Portuguese or Dutch. That's it.
But at the same time you kind of cognitively deselect Russia, thought they are in the group.
As a result you have some 6 nations and civilisations when you use a term that contains over 40 different Civs.
One of the worst podcasts I've heard in a long time
Almost every other dynasty in the Chinese history were results of conquests by nomadic tribes from inner Asia. This includes Tang dynasty which is supposed to be the pinnacle of the Han greatness. The emperors were later reinvented to be of Han ethnicity by Chinese historians.