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the adhesive spray needs to be sprayed on each surface and let set for 10-15 minutes to where it is barely tacky then fold tarp over a long wooden dowel to pull the tarp across the foam pressing the two pieces together as you go, you can use a shop broom to smooth it out. anywhere the two pieces touch that have adhesive on them will immediately stick together so be careful and take your time. I do this to make padded vinyl dash coverings and door panels that look like leather. most all spray adhesives and contact cement have to be almost completely dry to stick to each other and not come apart. if they are not the adhesive will not completely dry cause it can't evaporate the solvents in the glue.
a possibly cheaper and more flexible option would be the cheap camo tarp from harbor freight and 2 of the foil tarps with the foam between them. that saves you the price of 3-4 cans of camo paint @ $9 a can or more versus the $12 or so for the tarp, and its already water proof.
I believe we are thinking along the same lines, but I wanted to suggest rolling the inner blanket onto a long dowel rod, then spraying the foam and rolling out the inner liner over the top while applying pressure to the dowel rod.
Definitely hang on to it..... Use it as a grill cover/ shield to keep the opposition forces from stealing your steak and cheeseburgers. 😂
Great idea sir! I've been thinking of how to build one of these. I just don't have a way to test it. Looking forward to seeing v2!
Tip for camo painting high vis. Use a can of cheap white or gray primer. Otherwise it takes a shit ton of your good green or tan to cover it effectively.
Always hit the Clearance aisle first. I just added another color to my rattlecan palette for $3.
I’m homeless and the local PD and Sheriffs Dept hunt homeless with thermal drones at night. I use the foiled bubble wrap from Home Depot and tape seams with gorilla tape. Last step it to spray camo the outside. Haven’t been spotted since. Mine I have attached a couple dozen small loops made from the tape to attach foliage and grass to the outside, they also serve as tie outs. Does not hurt to throw handful of local sand and debris, shake off when done. I have 2, one is a poncho like the other cans over my whole tent.
Thanks
What are they gonna do with you if they catch you?
@user-wr1yh2zw6l catch you doing what,there's no crime committed.
This is for people wanting to camp out and not have their sleep molested.
There is no law against using athermal tarp. Thousands of people do it all the time with refective tarps. Mine is just modified to be heavy duty for daily use.
@@luckylarry5112 you said they were hunting homeless with drones, I asked what are they going to do with you if they catch you, not meaning if they catch you using reflective tarp, otherwords, if they busted you for homelessness, what could they do, what's the penalty?
@@user-wr1yh2zw6l Mostly people get trespassed and fined or a bus ticket to Portland.
If you build any kind of shelter on BLM or National Forest they will also charge you with vandalism and littering. Lots of homeless are sitting in jail because they don’t have any money for fines. Lots of them get ticketed for fire ban violations.
So if your discovered they will ticket you for something guaranteed at best they tell you to leave.
I don’t like being disturbed sleeping and told to move on or having my stuff thrown all over being searched for anything.
Also if you get a jerk and go to jail, your stuff will get stolen or taken to the dump. Sometimes it can worse than a ticket.
I love these little craft projects. Great video!
Hi, new guy here. Maybe you could try rolling the different layers on a pvc pipe to get better control over the gluing process
What if you start with a GI ponch and glue mylar to the poncho . Then apply the foam layer . 1/2 foam adds unwanted rigidity . So build up several thinner layers , and possibly cross hatch the layer . How about thinsalate (can't spell) , or insulation from a poncho liner ( more flexibility ) . Tape the edges and sew . Glue will add unwanted rigidity , too .
It's a good idea that there is demand for .
Rudolph, the Atlanta bomber, when on the run hide from FLIR by digging back under rock and bermed dirt . Also he slowed his breathing rate . IF , great big IF , his account can be believed . 👍
Use “Bulldog” adhesive paint. It’s used to adhere to plastic and then put your topcoat in the colors that you need to be your outer color. Avoid black in your camo pattern, it becomes very dark and obvious in the shadows.
Yes I never use black
Liked and commented for your effort and honesty! 👏
Thank you 😊
perhaps using canvas, instead of the plastic tarp, paint your camo on it first, waterproof it, then maybe spray the inside with spray on insulation product? Also polyester quilt batting is much easier to fold than foam rubber. You can make it thicker because its light weight. Maybe try thinner foam with the polyester batting in between, to be more flexible. A polyester bed quilt in the right size may work.
Love the music in the background!!!!!!!!
Use 1/4 inch foam rolls and make relief cuts and over lap pieces for mobility to make the system lay more naturally and for the hood.
This was a really good video, I didn't think about the dead air space. I opted for the green poncho with reflective liner followed by a military poncho over the top and then the camo netting over the top of those. Pretty light and flexible but have yet to test it.
Good idea. Have u thought of adding netting and burlap aka a ghillie suit covering for lack if a better word??? Have the netting with burlap cover and overlap say 2 to 3 feet off of it. That way it would be more stealthy and could still be used for thermal evasion
Lots of great ideas here. I know from experience, that when I'm building any prototype, I learn alot from each attempt, so the finished product comes out way cooler than all the previous attempts.
This would make an excellen cover on a ranger grave.
Love the dog walking by.
Yeah whatever dad 😅
Can we go hunting now😅
You'd need to use another outer tarp as the inner tarp due to durability requirements. Also can paracord the corners together
Good idea. I get the concept. I'd love to see the final product. Thanks
Seems like a more malleable material is definately needed. However, I think you're on the right track though. Thanks for sharing! 🥃🍻🪂🫡🇺🇸
Use the mylar and a wool usgi blanket
Judging by the music in your vids i think our taste is music is very similar, just by the way lol. I seen a video by NightHawkInLight here on youtube that gives me some ideas. He made a waterproof tarp out of a blanket. Its been awhile since i watched it so i forget exactly what he applied to it. Its heavier, but also much sturdier, and less noisy than a tarp. What I think I would do, and it would be tedious and time consuming, is basically make two of what youve made, but I'd cut the foam into hexagon panels with alittle space in between for increased flexibility. The panels would be cut so that the layers of hexagonal paneling overlap eachother at the seams. This way under the seams between each panel, is the surface of the panels of the next layer. This way it can have twice the foam thickness and duel reflective layers while retaining relative flexibility. I would probably only connect the two layers together around the shoulder/hood area as to allow the two layers to be seperate for the most part, but theyd fall down on eachother mostly evenly. That way air can move in between them and maybe help cool them. Especially the outer layer. Ive thought about something like this for my powered armor idea but instead of thermal insulation the panels would be layered graphene/saphire hexagonal plates formed and compressed over sheets of silver wirelessly charged by the field emitted from the plates of the armor itself in order to add further protection to compensate for potential vulnurabilities in the armor. That might make the armored sheets float away from the suit like a chick with a skirt on a windy day though 🤔🤷♂️ But that's just a far out idea I have and I digress rather heavily yet again lol.
Thanks Michael, blessings Bro!
Same to you!
Use two of the tarps (DX the thermal thin blanket) use batting between. And maybe a good grip tape on the edges ve spray.. (heck sew the two together )
Try staking the first tarp down stretched out before gluing, then have someone help stretch the second tarp.
This is what I did, get a clear plastic table cover that's about 1/8" thick and 24"x72" for around $35 off amazon. An 8k thermal scope can't see through it from 10 feet away. Not really good for covering your body but good for a screen to hide behind or window in a LP/OP. Very flexible easy to roll up to put in a backpack, not hard plastic. just spray a little camo paint on it to reduce light glare but not enough to where you can't see through it all if you are using it as a window.
Poncho with wool blanket sewed on it
i think a canvas drop cloth and silicon cut 3 to 1 with napthia or paint thinner for the glue would let it be much more flexable
Amazing man. Thank you!
Appreciate you sir.
Maybe could have rolled the emergency blanket around a piece of PVC pipe or cardboard tube from any carpet place free, just my 2cents... great job though and I'm taking notes thanks for the information 👍
Very interesting video and pretty good idea. Inspired to try my hand at making one. It does look like it would be a very good lining for a hide
just found your channel. love your straight forward, no frills delivery of info. thanks for sharing your knowledge! earned my sub for sure
Safety pin a SOL Survie Outdoors Longer Double sized Mylar Sheet to a poncho liner. Put some clear packing tape on the Mylar before you pin it. You can also put a 22 inch or longer zipper in the poncho liner for a head opening and a slit in the mylar reinforced with clear packaging tape, for your head to pass through. If you want to add foam add thin flexible packaging foam and saftey pin through all three layers.
Im interested to see how this works out, the mylar material is probably fine and maybe if the foam is cut into smaller pieces then affixed to ripstop nylon. Maybe do mylar, foam (cut into smaller pieces so they can flex and move but still hold shape), mylar, then to a blackout ripstop or something of the like, honestly that orange cap waterproofing spray in the camping section at walmart is awesome and would waterproof any fabric you used.
Great ideas. Thanks
GREAT THOUGHTS BROTHER
In summer, that's gonna make things uncomfortably hot🔥
Think of it as a wellness sauna, but without the expensive membership.
True, but I would rather be hot then dead
Good stuff, keep the wheels turnin. Something i thought of while watchin this, have you considered lookin into usin wool blankets in conjunction with the thin space blankets? I heard these stories years back of fighters in the middle east that used wool blankets in the mountains to combat thermals used by troops durin parts of the war. Dont know how true it is, but just thought id put it out there, no clue if they were usin them in fighting holes or runnin around with them.
Great Video and The Music sounds Excellent. 👍👍
If it works against thermal - it might be an effective bivy for safer sleeps in a non- permissive environment and perhaps better cold weather performance.
Great idea looking forward to the test video.
Theres foam (~1/8") groundsheets with mylar on both sides and hemmed in. I typically see them marketed as picnic pads but I use them under an air sleeping pad and/or closed cell foam mat for winter camping. Theyre roughly the size of a "2 person" tent floor and might work well with another layer on top like a poncho or camping tarp instead of relying on spray paint. I dont know if its thick enough for thermal evasion but for ~$15 it might be worth checking, itd be way more plyable and packable than the thick survival mylar tarp. I got mine on ebay but I bet amazon or other dropship site like aliexpress would have them too.
Mylar is heat bondable, its the same stuff as heat seal food bags, you may be able to fuse the two together, with your wife's hair streighting iron, about $10 at wallymart...
Sound dampening would be helpful on your final poncho. Love the videos!
I really like that, the whole idea of it. I wish I had some ideas to throw at you but I don't at this time. 🤔 I'm very interested, so "I'll be back" lol, hopefully with better input
GREAT THOUGHTS! But kinda curious about the effect of this gear, perhaps a good thermal imager can still find it
Oath Keepers in the state of OK did a great job at this 5 years ago on video.
Very handy
This would work best if you were to sow two tarps together and put that thermal mylar lining between the two tarps.
Make it into a pants and jacket outfit with a overlay hoodie 🇺🇸👍.
Lol nice try or better yet get a helmet mounted thermal for scanning so you can see the other SOBs
The added bonus of having thermal yourself is then you will better understand thermal and its limitations.
Thermal cannot see through objects, it cant see through leaves, it cant see through dense brush and even if the thermal does see you, chances are you wont look like what they are looking for and thats the key.
You do not have to fool the sensor you only have to fool the person looking at the screen into thinking the heat source on their screen is not what theyre looking for.
In densely wooded areas I would be more concerned with detection of the opfor rather than trying to hide under a tarp
The main consideration is that tarp will have to be left on the ground for a very long time to acclimate to the temperature of the ground around it and even then since it not leaves and earth it will probably still stand out but this is at stupid close distances distances where if you are that close youre screwed anyways
I think the effort is good but what is its application in a real world situation?
Static position like an OP sure dragging it around out in the woods not ao much.
This comment has better info than the whole video....Why do people have such a hard time understanding how thermal/NV work? Why would anyone waste time with a bunch of spray paint & foam & crap?? It makes no sense. I think there's some sort of minimum IQ for understanding line of sight & how light works.
Even most military guys seem to be totally misinformed about the tech they're using.
All you have to do is use a basic tarp, or even mesh...And/or natural foliage like you say.
Hey Mike, ain't none of us knows it all, it's good that you try and admit setbacks. There is an insulation material that has the foil like coating already applied. Home Depot or whatever building supplier near you should have it. Might work? Blessings
Check out Arcturus survival blankets.May cut out some of your steps.🤷🏻♂️
Put rope handles on the inside so your hands don’t give off heat if they’re exposed. 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸%
Folding the corners will just make it stiffer
Great video and I can’t help but wonder if there is a commercially available one and if not why . I subscribed and I appreciate videos like this , thanks
love your video as always........can you please make a video for nuclear scenario?
Fabric dyes may be less stiff than spray paint. Not sure if it would adhere to the material or not though.
I did my 308 after I got the base colors down I put leaves on it and spread over them, it came out great. 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸%
Look up a company called forces protection and look at there traps
$66.00 no no no lol you should have bought some tic tacs lol haven't seen your post in a couple months good to see your ok hope the wife is doing good.. Shane..
Lots of beer cans, mike cool video too
Just what is wrong with an old GI poncho and liner ?
Nothing. Most people just don't understand how any of this works, so they waste time on this ghetto sht.
Instead of using a paint, try Plasti-dip which comes in camo colors.
Good idea
What about bubble wrap instead of foam
The technology out there is amazing with the signature concealment systems available with their treated/proprietary dyes and paints. Unfortunately, none of this is available to non-.gov folks.
I tried to replicate what you are attempting with Harbor Freight forest and desert camo pattern tarps with spacecraft multi-layer insulation and Mylar sandwiched between the two tarp patterns.
This combo worked amazingly well, defeating my heat signature but as you know, is very bulky. If I could get some of that unobtainium "cloaking" material, I'd make a ghillie suit from it.
Just found this channel. I’ll definitely be following it cause I’d like to do the same thing. Thanks for the effort
$100 for a thermal blanket that I know will get destroyed with use is better then the $430 for the spectralflage blanket thanks.
Haha, that's insane. A thermal blanket doesn't work any better than a regular tarp, or even mesh...Unless you're wearing the tarp, so it heats up, and why the hell would anyone do that?
the thicker the material the less flexible the cover will be. if it was me i would build a frame to keep the first tarp tight like a quilters frame. then add my parts to it keeping each one tight wrinkle free. glue both side of the maiting surfaces give the glue time to become tacky before joining the two surfaces i think this is a two person if not four person job. i like the poncho version best. the thing i worry about is how do you hide the heat from your breath. when i am hot and breathing i throw a cloud like smoke
rad intro music!
what about useing a higher grade space blanket and an actual poncho ??? Just an idea.
Primer for your paint
You should of did the test would like to see it maybe come up with something close or better
I am working on it
Great for hiding from drones!!
Should’ve also scuffed up the outer orange cover with steel wool or fine sandpaper and cleaned it real well with alcohol so it’s no oils or smooth surfaces. 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸%
Ends up costing more than just buying a camo tarp online
Whats the song at the beginning?
The real challenge is keeping the dog off your project.
I'm sure I'll find you with my high $$$ thermal imager !!!!
😆 yeah thanks
Hmmm . . .
Thanx for sharing
I don't want to bash this E for effort project, but I wish you'd warned that this is just an experiment, not a how-to video. And without a thermal camera, how can one tell if it works? Another half hour of my life up in smoke....
Or you could cover yourself in mud Predator style.
there are better ways of making this thermal garment and one that's far less noisy than that mylar blanket you used
How?
@@AsymmetricalPreparedness sol emergency bivvy, it's more expensive and you're gonna have to cut it but the material is much quieter and better breathability than the mylar blanket. I've made a few blankets and ponchos for thermal mitigation and it works great.
Tested out a blanket in 20° weather , couldn't see any signature but got hot as heck... Ended up stripping down to my underwear because it got really hot. Been working on a more tactical mobile set-up, a work in progress still for that one
@@AsymmetricalPreparedness I don't make many videos but if you're interested I can tell you in full details how I built mine.
@@AsymmetricalPreparedness I don't like to give away too much information over videos but if it's really necessary and you still need help building the thermal suit I can link you to a video about it's construction or make one for ya.
@@AsymmetricalPreparedness so... Any luck???
It looks like a brain.
Nice try.
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