What if god asks you to be immoral?
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Politely baat karni h . Concept of the god . Ab aap kab live aaoge
Any thing which is threat to existence, survival, health and well-being of life should be immoral, but that is sadly not understood.....
Your point was correct but... Vimoh... Apple gol nehi hota exactly 😂😂
Tum pakka theist ho na? 😅
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Ato khutkhute keno?!
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Practical situation में apple को किस shape में define करोगे? तुम गोल ही define करोगे और सवाल नहीं करोगे क्यूंकि तुम unconsciously तुम shape में थोड़ी flexibility allow करोगे. गुलाबजामुन और apple की exact shape का difference point out करना आसान है जब तुम ये सवाल सुन चुके होते हो, वरना अगर तुम उस situation में होते तो तुम्हारा conscious mind उसे गोल ही बोलेगा क्यूंकि इंसान का दिमाग इसी तरह काम करता है. AI इंसान के दिमाग के मॉडल से inspired है और जैसे उसे गोल और exact गोल में अंतर बताने के लिए train करना पड़ता है, वैसे ही इंसानी दिमाग को data चाहिए होता है फर्क बताने के लिए, और वो डाटा बचपन से feed होना शुरू होता है, जो की अक्सर हम ऐसे questioning situation में irrelevant समझ कर ignore कर देते है क्यूंकि उस particular situation में हमारे पास गोल और exact गोल में अंतर करने के लिए extra data नहीं होता.
Morality is still evolving because pichle times me slavery, child marriages, casteism, racism, wars, genocides, homophobia aur sex slavery ko to religions allow karte the per ab yeh immoral bn chuki hai because of human interaction and globalization ke dosre bhi insan hai bilkul mere jese, mai inko kafir ya lower caste samaj ke nafrat karta tha per interaction aur communication seh sari misunderstanding door hogai jo mere liye bura hai wo iske liye kiun sahi hoga, societies improve hoti hai human collaboration seh, love hate seh zyadah powerful hai, slavery kisi religion ne abolish nahi karwai likin ibraham Lincoln ne jo blacks seh hamdardi rakhta tha, aik Muslim cleric ko suna tha ke hindu friend ko happy diwali na kahna yeh shirk karte hai idol worshippers hai god inseh nafrat karta hai per mai kisi friend ko uske religion ki base per kabhi judge nahi karta mai kiu nafrat karo, kiun insan aj aik dosre ko zyadah accept kar rahee pyar kar rahee( especially homosexuals and trans )kiunke is seh aik ideal society janam leti hai jahan peace, safety aur progress ho koi communal violence nahi( jo aj horaha hamare region mai , israel aur hamas war, gaza genocid, horible wars ), agar jo past mai hota tha jis ko religion ne nahi roka humans kiu useh bura samaj rahee aj just because of human interaction and acceptance, murder bura hai kiunke wo tumhare aur mere dono ke liye harmful hai agar koi kare ga society ke log us ke khilaf honge aur usko nikal denge , this is human evolution
Today people are normalising and endorsing infidelity per say. We have come to a juncture where cheating, adultery and high body count are vehemently celebrated on delhi streets.
I, as an agnostic atheist, am deeply concerned about the erosion of objective morality.
The futile attempts to trivialize and mitigate morality will have irrevocable consequences in the future, mark my words.
Sir mera ek sawal hai murder ho ya koi galat kam galat hai kyu agar kisi ka murder koi karta hai to
What is your position on regular omnivore humans who eat beef and other meats for their protein intake regardless of how the food is sourced.
It applies to early all of the people citiy humans, irrespective of thier dietary habits.
Less do one care on daily basis how their meats and veggies were grown and sourced, nor do they intentionally pay for a perticular kind of farmed food, they just wanna get by life.
I think they are morally grey. Immoral might be one who tries to literally school and harrass them on how they are this and that they eat particularly grown vegetables, meats, blah blah. They not only make their own and other's mental health bad, they also can make people be repelled from the very topic. A damage overall.
Humans from the very start of civilization have consumed meat, they hunt for meat and gather fruits. So yeah its not a big deal. Food is food, one can deny not to consume meat cause of morality or love of animals, but other than that its still food
@@arjunsandhu7431 agreed
React to debate between Suboor Ahmed and Alex O'Connor on human rights
There has always been a reasoned order to kill someone by God as far as Hindu scriptures are concerned. In fact, the God is not absolved from penance if killing by him is not justified. (Refer Vali Vadh by Shri Ram and Shrikrishna getting hit by arrow at the end). Tomorrow one would accuse a Judge of killing on sentencing someone to undergo capital punishment. You cannot call that as whimsical or subjective. Because it's not a person but a judicial office that gives the decision.
Sir aap ek aisa video banao jisse ki ye savit ho ki god h ya nhi... with example
If someone or some instrument prove existence of god what will your reaction??
I'll accept it if it is proven.
@@vimohsir me AP se baat karna chahta hu . I wanna talk
come to the live stream at 8 pm tonight
Link? @@vimoh
channel is Vimoh Live
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WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT TITU SINGH REINCARNATION CASE(1983)
Wahi mai bhi soch raha tha
planned by his parents:
1. he is a trained kid from the moment he was born
2. The man got murdered(He was being Killed, shot cold blooded, its a huge sign of this mystery)
3. The man knew about treasure- got killed and before being he told the exact location of that treasure but location was inside home of with whole family, Stealing cant help because it will require digging and its a loong process to dig. meanwhile after his death kid is born.
4. Whole story conyed to the kid and trained. There is involvement of that kid's father in the murder, you can sense his look.
5. Other signs - Check Titu video again, He was shying while talking to the wife of that man like a normal kid would in front of a lady Plus check he is not answering everything she is asking.. In positive case the kid would have hugged the lady and started talking like a husband, also surprisingly he does not know everything about the man but only treasure where he hid it(giving huge signs to his murder).
Why do you keep asking me the same question over and over again? It doesn't seem like he's interested in answering your question.
@@utkarshsingh-rp2dq why he is not interested?....Tabhi toh puch raha hu bar bar 😐
@@RahulSharma-yb4wt The fact that he has not replied to you should be enough evidence that he is not interested.
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if there is god,would it be a living being or non living
Pure awareness
@@abdeviliers6976 adavit vedant baat karta about pure consciousness
And doctor talk about consciousness
Both are two things don't mix it .
3:05 - I disagree, there is a difference between "Vadh" and "Hatya". Will a person who kills a murderer, a rapist, a terrorist, a riotist, an invader, a genocide propagator & conspirator be called a "Hatyara"?? Of course not....that is why you have the word "Vadh"....people who kill to protect & defend a country's borders are called "soldiers" not "murderers" because that is literally their job...if someone attacks you, oppresses you, attacks your family, your community, your city, your country with an intent to only maim, injure & kill is called a "hatyaraa" or "murderer"...fighting to protect yourself is not "violence" but "self defence"....you do not need religious influence to commit violence...all you need to have is ambition
He is talking about objective morality not subjective
@@_viveksingh7_ : The problem about objective morality is that it does not exist in humans & is a fictitious concept which believes that "humans are inherently good" which itself is false since humans are only as good as the society allows them to be....and therefore subjective
One thing i would like to share.
Many people told me that muslim kill hindu men who marry their daughter. Its true, there are many instances to that which i found in news.
But i didn't know there is something like honor kill exist within hindus too.
Recently in bihar one father kill his granddaughter and his daughter because latter one did an intercaste marriage.
Now if you search through honor killings in intercaste marriage in Tamilnadu/rajasthan/bihar/telengana/Punjab/bengal etc, if u search these cases in each state.
You would be shocked to find that honor killings is not uncommon. Earlier i thought it is only done when muslim girl marry hindu guy, but i was wrong, it happen within hindu from different castes!
And my observation,
1. Parents always kill daughter for marrying outside, son never get killed by father to marry other caste girl. Because male surname is carried forward.
2. The state which are known as anti hindu, woke etc in those state intercaste marriage are happening without bloodshed. Because i couldn't find single news of caste killing of daughters in intercaste marriage in west Bengal.
3. Along with honor killings, i realise places where they show that they are protector of hinduism, they are the ones who are doing female foeticide along with honor killings. For example: in 2019 in uttarakhand in 132 villages no girl child was born for three months. And if u check sex ratio at birth, u would get shocked to see the state wise data, that "virat" Hindu states are doing it.
I am admirer of your work. So thought to share it. Thanks.
If an individual mrdrs protecting his interest then its a crime but be does it for some powerful/ senior person then its not crime but duty....
Bgm sahi thi
Morality is in inate nature of human being religion gives it a way or shape to follow ,if God tells me to be immoral in this world then he is not God, I believe in Islam which gives complete way of life...
So you don't believe that allah is god? Or Mohammad who ordered to kill wall lizards without any reason?
If you ask "Killing innocent child is right or wrong" everyone on earth says "wrong "
What is your explanation for this
Morality is relative
You should watch kane b video on this subject.
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@@vimoh mai is baat p thoda aur deeply baat Krna chahta hu....qki mai b ek paradox m fas jata hu....but mane ek comment Kiya ...wo delete ho gya
@@vimoh in this video or another
Can i pls request to all ki yhan pls thoda logical replies kre taki kisi new insan ko kuch sekhne ko mile or aapko bhi ese nhi kuch bhi likh doaap apne dhrm ke bare m likh skte h besak .
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Equality before law
Hi vimoh, been going through your videos and it's helped me immensely but I wanted to ask you about a very specific thing,
I was wondering If you've ever talked about tantra beyond just the black magic rep it has, like the crazy elaborate rituals and the proponents of it like Rajarshi Nandy, they don't seem like regular con men.
The human body has five main sensory organs through which we perceive the world. These are:
Eyes, Ears, Nose, Tongue and Touch.
So, if things, such as God and Ghost eyc. are not perceived through any of these senses, how can we believe in the existence of those things? For thousand years, nobody found any evidence of God's existence. Therefore, believing in God's existence without any evidence totally blind faith!
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Jai shree Rum ❤
Allahu Akbar
Holy mother of Jesus
Mai india se hu sare dhram ki respect krti hu isliye jai hind 🇮🇳kyuki yhan sirf ek dhrm ke log ni rhte hum kisi ke emotions ko hurt ni kr skte
I agree to whatever you said. But I think you need some more knowledge about religion. I'll suggest go towards vedant. That's the true thing and above all these religion. Not many people talk about it hence it isn't any surprise for me that you are not aware of it. Anyways I'll recommend you to go towards it. I personally feel acharya prashant is the only person in the entire youtube who talks about it.
Let's imagine a situation in which if you murder a person it increases the well being of large number of people will you commit that murder
Can u make a video on debunking possession,soul swapping,reincarnation
That stuff is popping up to me very frequently
God doesn't tells us to kill someone for nothing there is a reason which is to defend ourselves
Lol Humans know when to defend.
Its not in Humans only, other animals also defend themselves.
Does your God told them to defend?
God is Dictater who cries if someone doesn't believe in him so he says he will throw non-believer in Hell and He doesn't forgive Non-belife but he will forgive anything.
I hope you are joking. What was muhd defending when he ordered killing of kaab ibn ashraf, asma bint marwan n abu afak!!!?? And all this while they were sleeping at home n through cheating n telling lies to kaab ibn ashraf.
I hope you are not joking bro
@@MahinAbubakkarKMKM Please go through this link.... You'll get to know the truth
But hmare mandir mai kali ma ke mandir m goat ko kata jata h reson aaj tk ni pucha mene pr ab smjhri hu .
Killing in the battlefield is also wrong according to you?
Lgta h sb tere upr se gya h😂
@@ScientificKarwasara Haan yahan quantum mechanics discuss ho raha hai na😂
Actually God don't exist. Everything is symbolic and people make this misunderstanding. We think that god are same as we are hence we apply same rules. Killing someone wrt god doesn't mean what killing mean in this world. I'am not able to write a detailed comment due to youtube limitations but I'll recommend you to do some more research from a third person's point of view.
So according to you incest is okk if done with consent
Story is incomplete.. Apple natural made hai,gulab jamun man made hai... So both are not at same point..
Spirituality say koso dur ho bhai...
That's not the actual point boomer
Illogical question
Ek video me aapne bola aap Bhagwan ko kyu mante ho agar me bolu aap Bhagwan ko kyu nahi mante ho to aapka kya jawab hoga
Kyunki evidence nahi hai
@@vimoh aapko kya evidence chahia
@@vimohsir please make video on the pseudo science on veganism and vegetarian
@@SumitMahor-uk9vs it depends upon the qualities of god
@@Kartik-it2qc important ye nahi h ki god h ya nahi ki god h ya nahi . Important ye h ki what is god
कोई भगवान को माने या ना माने ये उसकी इच्छा है।।।
लोग अगर भगवान के नाम पर आपको जबरदस्ती परेशान करे कि तुझे भी मानना होगा तो वो गलत है।
ओर जो लोग भगवान को नही मानते वो भी किसी को फ़ोर्स ना करे कि सब बातें झूठ है और जो हम कह रहे है वो सच है
क्योंकि सबके अपने अपने अनुभव है।
Kya bakwas kar rahe hai aap? Galat ko call out karna galat kabse ho Gaya?
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जी इनकी बात समझी जा सकती है।
इंसानी प्रवृति है, लोग मानेंगे ही।
मान्यता रख के शांति आए, आत्मिक (अपनी ) वृद्धि हो, लेकिन, किसी और व्यक्ति को हानि ना पोहुंचे।
जहां हानि हो, या जबरदस्ती हो, तो सवाल करने मैं कमी न करें।
यह इंसान की अपनी इच्छा है।
@@nilabhdash5461 में क्या कह रहा हु आपके समझ मे आया कि नही?
लोग इन बहस में पड़ ही क्यों रहे है।।
आपके अधिकार की लड़ाई हो या कोई बात हो तो आप उसके लिए लड़ सकते है।लेकिन भगवान है या नही इस पर विवाद करे ही क्यों?
जहाँ गलत है वहा तो बोलना ही चाईए।।
@@Ranjul_kumar धन्यवाद पक्ष रखने के लिए।।।
@@lokeshjani Nahi. Bhagwan ka claim astitva or asliyat se juda hai. Bhagwan ka claim galat hai. Asliyat koto mana nahi Jaa sakta na isliye sabko sahi rah dikhana hai.
simple hai vimoh bhai
morality = humanity = love for each humankind = having the sense of belongingness all lead to the well being for each other
agar aapke dill mein prem nahi ek manav ka dusre manav ko leka then, everything is vain to consider it even as a morality( no matter where & how you derive the definition from )
morality isn’t something to consider it as a theoretical concept, it’s an action for someone’s better that make you feel good also.
This is just superficial understanding of morailty. Suppose someone killed a person who cut downs trees and damage environment. For us humans it is immoral, but for nature, can't be said. Similarly in war(not atomic), people are killed but population is reduced. Morality is concept only for humans and no one else.
Uncle ji log jaye bhaad me, Mai aapko batata hu hamare Ved Bhagwan ka kya Matlab batate hain.
God koi upar baitha hua superpower nahi hai jo sabko dekh raha hai. Bhagwan hamne is duniya ko kaha hai. Ki har jagah vahi ek tatva hai, sirf vahi tatva, ham bhi vahi tatva hain, feelings, senses, vo bhi particulate ya tarang(wave) form me vahi hai.
Rigveda 10.90.2: Puruṣa evedaṃ sarvaṃ yadbhutaṃ yacca bhavyaṃ utāmṛtatvasyeśāno yadannenātirohati.
{Not just inside, but it is also present outside the Universe (from 10.90.1), it is infinitely spread just like light (it's actually wave form), immortal in reality, it is the past and the future, it takes bodily forms to change the world from wave to particle}
God is manifestated as the world we experience, so everything and everyone is of the same nature, origin and immortal, but consciousness(that makes the world particle) doesn't let you remain immortal.
Ap kehte Hain ke God ko explain karain pehle ap yeh batain ke ap waqat ko explain kar sakte hain ?jaisay humey apanay honey Ka aur waqat ke honey Ka ehsas rehta hai vasey he god ke honey Ka ehsas rehta Hai .ehsas ko bhala Kase bayain ya explain Kiya ja sakta hai laken exist Karta Hai Soooo.
Apn hai iska proof to hai iska aur proof krne ka kyu
The notion that one must explain time before delving into the concept of God is puzzling at best. To equate the two is to oversimplify vastly different concepts. Time is a dimension we measure and experience in our daily lives, while God, if believed in, transcends human comprehension and cannot be neatly defined or understood in the same way. Suggesting that understanding time is a prerequisite for discussing God is akin to saying one must understand the mechanics of a clock before pondering the existence of the universe's creator. It's a foolish comparison that fails to acknowledge the vast complexity and depth of both concepts
@@user-hl9jq8iz4i mante nahe Hain na ..
Hello keya app atheist ho??
Matlab sher non veg khata hai to use bhagwan nark main nahi dalenge lekin insaan ne khaya to dalenge 😮
Trying to justify non veg.......?
@@hemrajgurjar2962 nahi bhagwan bhi subjective hai 😂
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@@rajjadhav6964 no,I meant if we don't consider the after life thing/believe,
The eating of non veg of a 'sher' and human is different......right?
Of course this is a dogma and I think you agree with what he said. Humans like all other apes are omnivores and trying to prove otherwise is dogma which some religions do.
Theory of mind plays an important role in our survival
Naah bro no why he did that😅 , bhai tum ne ilzam lagaya k har dharam me god ne kisi na kisi ko marne ka hukum diya h uski wajah kiya h ayse he marne ko nahi bola , uske peeche morality h ye to tum ayse bata rahe ho k har dharam me marne ko kaha h kisi bhi innocent ko nah 😂😂 ye error h tumhare dimag ka
Islam me toh explicitly likhi he boht sari cheeze......
Thode bade scale me chalte hai. Israel is killing Palestinians and hamas is killing Israelis. Then why UN is not allowing ceasefire? UN represents the collective morality of all the countries, hence there is a subjective opinion on killing too? we allow someone to kill 1000s of innocents based on geopolitical interests/preferences. Asal me dekha jae to jiski lathi uski bhais, uski morality ki definitions sab mano.
Jaise umar ne jews ko arab se maarke nikala tha
Aur israel conquest ke time second class citizen ki tarah rakha tha
Jiski lathi uski bhes
Nastik hi dharmik bnae ka pehla steps hai. ~Osho.
Most logical theist
It's actually other way around, you're born in a religion, but then you choose to be an atheist.
Osho was the biggest conman who created a cult out of religious people by giving them something he wanted them to follow wrapped in their religious packaging. Osho himself was an Atheist btw
@@Akash_KumayuI would say you are born Atheist and then indoctrinated into XYZ religion by society
@@Akash_Kumayuno one is born into a religion, they are born in a home whose members follow a certain religion, and are indoctrinated to it.
Ok app atheist ho .app se debate live stream me ho sakti he??
Haan bhai. Vimoh Live channel pe aaj raat 8 pm ko aa janaa (India time)
2:12 why is that well being necessary?
4:09 there is a context, as a Christian, I don't think God has commanded killing of innocents. Evil is against God's nature.
5:04 I don't think it is subjective. 5:35 free will
7:17 layman would be a better term i think than dhramik.
Unlike other videos in this video your argument is very superficial and not in-depth.
Look who's talking 😂
Athiests please answer this;
Tuo iss hisaab se koi athiest ye bhi bol sakta hai main apni maa, ya behan se shaadi karunga, or ya baap apni beti se shadi karega, kyunki agar loog he rule banane lage ( jo ki aaj kal ho raha hai) tuo maan lo aage jaake loogon ko ye cheezain koi badi baat na lage tuo woh bilkul sahi hoga, aap yehi kehna chahte ho? Which is totally shame for humanity, koi apni maa ya behen ke sath sex/ intercourse kaise kar sakta hai..
It's disgusting. But it is not immoral. Just like how eating shit is disgusting. But it is not immoral. Not every bad thing is bad for moral reasons.
@@vimoh that comes up with the other problem, if it is disgusting then it is disgusting throughout the life of humanity, in past in present in future, if it was disgusting then when the humanity started lets say there were two opposite genders who made intercourse and came up with two or four childrens or even say 8, then they must have intercouse with each other( brother and sisters) to come up with todays 8 billion population, it should have started there marrying brothers and sisters. Now wasn't that disgusting...
Irrelevant. The discussion is about morality.
@@vimoh it means even if it is disgusting, it is moral for a mankind to have sex with her mother or sister.
@@vimoh even if it is disgusting, that means it is moral to have sex with mother.
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