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How Real is Colorism | Unpacked with Relebogile Mabotja - Episode 55 | Season 2
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- čas přidán 14. 08. 2024
- 2 Guests share how colourism changed their life
Studio Guests: Sheila Ndikumama & Makgotso Moyemorathoe
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Sheila's voice is breathtaking wow!!🥺🥺❤❤I loooove her voice mann!
I was looking for this comment 🥺
😭😭😭😭I was looking for this comment too
@Nolulamo Mkalali same here hle,like i love her voice! And it reminds me that of Zenande Mfenyana,she has a beautiful voice also❤
The moment she started talking, she had me captivated!! I was 💯 plugged in!
@Nolulamo Mkalali 😭😭😭girl it is soothing
Sheila has that voice which commands one to just listen her😭🥺🔥
Tjo i know right...i loveeeee it..that voice
@@Naphirispeshari it's very powerful
A voice that says I'm independent
I once dated a girl who always complained that she is dark in complexion and wished she was light like her sister. I really never paid attention to her complains and thought she was being silly. This episod actually opened my eyes and reminded me of her and that she really thought she was less beautiful because of her skin color. To be honest she was beautiful to me and I still find it hard to understand why would she want to change that. I'm starting to think that I'm attracted to dark girls because the one I'm dating now is even more darker, which makes me confused that there are people who associate darkeness with ugliness. I like my girls with melanin 😉.
I love my dark skin, sometimes I wish I could be more darker.
I don't know if you take requests but might a colourism in men be an episode in the works? I would love to hear South African men speak of their experiences to bring to light a few more nuances of this very broad plight.
This 📌
I remember in high school a girl said I couldn't take pictures in the shade cos I'm dark... so I need to stand in the sun so that I can appear in the photo. 🤞🤣🤣. I'm laughing now , cos people these days stop me to ask what I use on my face, they say my skin is flipping gorgeous. They say it's a rare kind of dark. Mama says I'm coffee coloured. Coffee with tint of milk.
I'm a lowkey fan ya Makgotso. I love her features. Shes so beautiful. Sheila is gorgeous... her voice is amazing.
Me 🤣🤞🏿
Me they call me coffee colour,and I love it bcz it's my colour.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
You give such beautiful compliments I am certain you phenomenal yourself.
Her voice 🥰🥰👌👌👌👌👌no wonder she's on radio❤❤❤💕💕💕
Shes gorgeous too😍😍😍
From my view, i would say that Hollywood reserves particular types of roles for particular shades. Amongst the young actors in Hollywood, many roles go to lightskin black/biracial women like Zendaya, Yara Shahidi, Storm Reid and Amandla Stenberg. It's even a running meme that when Netflix includes a black girl character, she is usually light in complexion. This is often for roles in romantic movies. Then when the story is about Africa or slavery or our history, they see that as only dark complexions and they don't believe that there actually are/were light in complexion people in Africa. Everything in the media just needs to be shaken up. Shoutout to everyone in this convo playing their part in changing things
You have summarized this so well, I agree. It's a never ending cycle of colorism.
So true!
same here. most of SAs female celebrities are light skinned. very few dark actresses or personalities, singers
This comment right here speaks a lot truth
Unfortunately this issue of colourism will not go away, it's part of our make up as flawed humans. If it's not skin tone it's looks/body/financial situation etc. Anything that makes you stand out will make you get picked on. Even dark skinned people will still marvel at those shades darker than them. We can train our kids to handle it better though, to be more open-minded and that will go a long way.
DITTO!
I respectfully disagree, that's the lazy response. Colorism is a result of racism which is a result of colonialism. First, we acknowledge the problem then we work towards dismantling it. It's the same how racists will use that excuse to pardon themselves from changing their racist behavior.
@@sinazonoqhamza6281 You sound like you feel strongly about this colourism issue and perhaps you need to pause and re-read my comment to get a better understanding of it.
It is a FACT that colourism will always exist amongst flawed humans. That doesn't mean nothing can't be done about the issue but you will never eradicate it.
I'm being realistic and you're being idealistic. When you say "we" who are you talking about because you are definitely not speaking on behalf of the entire humanity?
Have you done any work in your community on colourism? Do you have instruments to measure its success/impact? Or are you just an overly optimistic commentator?
Agree with you, as humans we have standard of what we consider normal on everything. Every human has prejudices against something
@@sinazonoqhamza6281 you took the words right out of my mouth, we should not just accept that things will not go away we have to do something about it, even if its just changing only our own mindset.
Omg🙆🏽♀️Sheila is so so so beautiful, she kinda remind me of Gabriel Union
She looks like Gabriel Union and sounds like Iman (the model)
I thought so too. She's extremely beautiful
She does look like her
Sheila's voice though, especially when she's like "mmmmh" 😍😍🥵🥵
Dude!! Her beauty as well yoh; she's really beautiful
@@portiamalatsi7641 breathtaking stuff 😉
Everything about her😊😍
She's gorgeous 😍😍😍😍😍❤️❤️❤️❤️
Did she not just say "Mmmmh" as I read this?😂🔥
"your skin tone is a part of your beauty, it doesn't qualify it." mmmh felt that 🙌👏🏽
Being called umnyamana guys😭😭😭😭😭
People made me feel like there's something wrong with my color.
But now i understand that people are colonised mentally
😂😂😂
Mina I was called "Ntomb'emnyama" when I grew up.
@@nontobekokhumalo8782 Sending hugs sisi.May God heal us coz woooow that wasn't nice at all
Thanks Relebogile , we all guilty of colorism and not even aware of that .we call each other Mnyamane and rooi tamati not knowing the damage we causing . I really love this show because it make us aware of things that we take for granted and joke about daily . Beauty is only skin deep.
Looking at all three of you I’m chuffed by the fact that I sell black dolls with three different skin tones like you.
Personally I have experienced colorism growing up at home. I am close to Relebogile’s skin tone and my whole family is like Makgotso so they used to call me Mantsho. This to me made me feel inferior and not believe I was beautiful. Then at school and now as an adult strangers see me as yellow. 🤷🏽♀️ This came as a gift because I appreciate all skin tones.
My grandmother is coloured descending from a mix of white and black so majority of my mother’s family is light skinned. So I always felt different among them. I grew up and became lighter without any skin lightners. So as a kid I was called Mantsho and in tertiary I was called yellow bone. 🤷🏽♀️
where do you sell the dolls?
Oh Good! I'm looking gor those dolls for my bi racial grand daughter in Germany. She's 2.
I don’t know how I can contact you cos they deleted my response to the other viewer last time.
Faith Nthoba on Facebook
In the coloured community this is even worse..because we have the coarest hair to the silkiest hair..from the flatest noses to the sharpest...we are treated acc to our features...if Rebogile would make a episode on that..she will descover a lot of pain.
Yessss
I'd love to be a guest on that segment.
"Too black to be coloured and too coloured to be black"
That’s what varsity does. We mix and we become more aware of the other.
yep n some people go for just that experience. It's a form of trauma healer. It's almost a shame to go in one way n come out unchanged throughout those years.
I didn't understand what colorism is about until today. I feel like I lived in a bubble. My sister and I are so different but born of the same parents. I'm dark and she is light and now I truly am appreciating my mom for the confidence she gave the both of us.
I've never felt ugly or darker because of my skin tone. I didn't even realise that we were of different shades because we got the same treatment and mom was very protective over us and the spaces we were in. I'm starting to appreciate that now.
The first time I realised that we were different was when people wouldn't believe that were siblings because of the difference in color. It still didn't affect us in anyway because of the environment we grew up in with mom.
It's powerful to note how influential parents and family set up can be. It can either make or break you.
Sheila's voice and her beauty is out of this world
Makgotso is beautiful aswell she has cute lips very these are two beautiful women with different skin tones
Colorism is always an issue especially to us black community we discriminate each other .
I had a very dark friend in my childhood her mom used to keep her indoors just so she could gain complexion .and she was beautiful .this thing need to stop we should embrace each other
Thanks again relebogile for this topic
Shielas voice makes you stop and listen. At the same time unpacked just knows the exact topics to devulge into. Thank you keep it coming. Intriguing and so informative. We learning every single minute.
I know Sheila personally...and let me tell you SHE IS BEAUTIFUL 😍❤
I WISH RELE COULD ALSO BRING LIGHT TO WHAT WE AS COLOURED PEOPLE GO THROUGH. BEING JUDGED BY BOTH BLACK AND WHITE PEOPLE💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔
You are on the good side because for society you are light skinned
Write to her, she will consider.
@@NjabuloBDonda will. thanks
As a person who is coloured all I can say is that we have our own internal struggles that we need to deal with first because we discriminate against each other as well
@@friedaroms8021 i wish someone would hear our cry
I've got my cousin who bleached his face using Movate & when he stopped using it he became ×5 more darker than he was before. Colourism it's an issue everywhere in the world but I think its more worse if u live in a foreign country where they don't have different skin tone type colour + different hair texture .u just have to love yourself.GOD gave us different colours for a reason. And what's with the world asking if Africa is a jungle & we have wild animals roaming around us all the time. And here in Asia it's worse they believe how they taught from school about Africa .I'm black & proud.
In USA it's worse darling
I survived 3years of middle school +3years of high school being called ugly myamane, mantsho, boys laughing at me at school that they would rather die than dating me..but it's all in the past now 😊
I am so sorry you went through that ❤
Me too .
You survived it for a reason.
@@BRIG788 Thanks sis
Can we talk about Shela's voice 😳❤❤😳.... ohoooo wooooow
Sheila's voice and beauty is just breath taking 😭♥️ trippy🌻.
Honestly, I think the light skinned girl is more a victim of featurism more than colorism. As a darker skinned person, all I've seen is light skinned girls being prioritized by both black and white people, put in front in pictures, likely to get the job however being darker you need to qualify your presence by having a great personality, intellect etc...maybe that's why anger is directed towards light skinned people
I dont think light skin people can suffer from colourism, they can get bullied for being light skin and even you search the term colourism it's discrimination against dark skin people. Like we have insults against dark skins like mantsho but there aren't for light skin folks. 🤷🏿♀️
No lies detected
I agree!!
Colourism doesn’t only affect darker skinned individuals. Let’s not forget that’s there intersectionality between colourism and featurism and therefore experienced both. Lighter skinned girls back in school were told they not pretty they just light skinned whilst light skinned boys were told they weak and mama’s boy because of they skin tone.
Thank you for this episode to be honest from where I come from (kenya) people are increasingly becoming aware of colorism,Sheila has a nice voice, she has a pretty face too
Sheila doesn't even look very dark to me. She is so beautiful and she is so intelligent
She has a rich beautiful dark complexion
She has a beautiful chocolate complexion
Yes, but when we are younger we are usually darker because we don't really care how much we're exposed to the sun and so on. She is gorgeous 😍
Sounds colourist to me, "she's not dark, she's beautiful"
You can be both dark and beautiful Nto
@@rutendosarahgukwa1516 True, what I had in mind is that the interviewer was parading her as if she has the darkest of complexions yet she is not. I've seen beautiful girls with more deeper melanin. May be I failed to articulate the point I wanted to convey.❣️❣️
There’s something about Sheila that reminds me of Gugulethu Nyatsumba ❤️
Loved this episode and the conversation . Always something to learn ❤️
You know even when you don't relate to certain topics, you get to learn, to reflect, appreciate others differences and be kinder those affected. This show is such an eye opener.
Again sisi Lebo and your team enkosi, siyafunda. 🌻
🙏🏾 thank you
Even men when chosing partners, they perpetuate this colorism thing, for instance, statement like 'I like or I don't like dark dindy/yellow bones' ladies, hiding behind that 'I have preference' crap. That's dumb.
Definitely
Now watch them deny it, that preference is rooted in self hatred.
Everyone has a preference. Same way a lot of ladies won’t date a short, broke guy and claim that they just don’t have “chemistry “ yeah right !
What's Wrong With Men Wanting A Preference Because Women Also Have One?
Black men have internalized Eurocentric beauty standards & hide behind ' having preferences ' when confronted.
Btw I will be starting a YT channel soon that discusses Colourism , texturism, featurism & other issues that affect black women in a SOUTH AFRICAN context ❤️
Sheila 🔥
Muhle and her voice 😍
Yeses!!✨🔥
Her voice is amazing 👌🥰
Chocolate complexion
I love Sheila's voice 😍🤗
Sheila's voice ❤️❤️❤️👌
I can relate, growing up, I was constantly told that I am not beautiful, just light skinned. People would just say that out of the blue leaving wondering what I did to justify the comment. I really resented my skin tone. I wanted a skin as brown as Brenda Fassie’s.
This Sheila is priceless. I'm here for her intellect and nothing else. It is a pity her mother never affirmed her enough. She is head and shoulders above many of her peers. I'd love to hear her take on many credible topics.
Psalm 139: 13-14." ...I will praise you because I have been fearfully and wonderfully made." That's what the image in the mirror attests to God. You are the right shade of chocolate whether dark or milk chocolate. Perfect as you are...
Like Sheila said, mindset is everything. As a dark skinned lady, there was a point in my life where I wanted to be validated by others to feel beautiful, to be seen and appreciated. But as I grew older I realised how important it is to truly love yourself and have confidence.
Thank you ladies for this conversation🙏❤
Ah no that Sheila girl is gorgeousness!Her voice also
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This kind of show is what we really need. As society we need to learn more about each other but stop being judgemental. We're all made in the image of God but unique in our own way. This is an eye opener to all of us.
Wow Sheila’s beauty is breathtaking
I'm glad that the actress actually pointed out that within the "coloured" community we are not all light skin people, I get so confused when black people say that "coloured" people are people who are light skin. I hope that in future SA will get over this skin color obsession and look beyond skin color.
The only black peoples who would say coloured are all light skin are black Americans , here in SA we know there are light skin , brown and even dark coloured with 4c hair and other features .
the moment I saw that girl I knew she was from somewere in east africa. They have a uniquely beautiful look.
I like the fact that the new generation of parents affirm their kids, like Sheila says the “your beautiful” sentences we hardly heard from our parents growing up. It’s important to affirm kids from a young age and not treat their features that stand out like a secret.
Makgotso is so wise!
Sheila's voice bathong!!!!! Both ladies look AMAZING!!!!😍😍😍😍😍
Virtual hugs for Makgotso🤗. You're beautiful sis❤.
Selflove and self appreciation should be the first thing we learn at home, so that as a young person you will able to appreciate our skin and beauty differences. external factors from the street doesn't define who we are . When they continue to label you, continue to love your skin and self more.
My goodness, Sheila's voice! But not just the voice, her overall beauty. Amazing!
Beautiful ladies in the studio....all different complexions and just overall amazing people. Complexion is honestly just that, it says nothing about the actual person
And Colourism isn't just for the ends of the colour spectrum. There are "medium toned" girls that continue to go through it because society dabbles between loving & mocking dark or light skin but never the in betweens.
And again we can't be in every box or everyone's box, it takes time to create your own box and be comfortable being different. I hope everyone gets to experience that comfort of being yourself without shying away about who you. Live BOLDLY YOU. 🌻
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Sheila is so beautiful! Her voice and intellect are everything!
They are both beautiful and confident. ....they speak well.
As a beautiful woman, I never thought people really struggled with how they look because I always find beauty in every person and compliment it.
I also love how look except my lips they look like makgotso's and at school other children used to pick at me and tell me how ugly I look because of my lips even now sometimes I don't like my lips but I have learned to love myself just the way I am
@@juliasephaka8033 if anybody point out your flaws, you should point out theirs. Everybody has flaws, you just need to walk with confidence.
This conversation hits home. My year old daughter has darker skin from her neck downwards and she is lighter on the face. My Mom likes saying how are people going to react when they see her with me (because I'm lighter skinned) and she'd say she hopes that my baby would "outgrow" the darker skin. It annoys me sooo much because I don't see this, I just see my beautiful baby girl who is witty, smart and very inquisitive.
Don't get me wrong my Mom is a lovely person it's just the outdated mind set that she grew up with you know...
Sheila’s voice is soo hypnotising 😵💫
Sheila is so gorgeous yoh😍
i hope these two ladies became friends after this episode. From what I see, they understand each other so well. They have beautiful souls, apart from their beautiful looks.
I can relate to Sheila. We have the same skin tone
Jo! I have vitiligo, and am pretty much a white skinned mosotho. I'm live in Australia, a majority white country, and I'm even too white for the whites! You can't win!!!
😂😂
I love how the unpacking was based on different perspectives of colourism and not just from the experiences of a dark skin individual. I know this might be overrated but I would love for you to unpack body shaming not just from a fat shaming perspective but skinny shaming perspective as well. Taking into consideration Western and African views on for lack of a better word "appropriate" body type.
That would be a very good topic
I'm definitely here for the body shaming topic. Societal standards of beauty and how they impact people, more so women.
I am learning alot through this conversation. I am also self introspecting. Thank you.
Hello Kirtes Tlamelo 🤗.
@@sibongilesilinda9357 ohh my wooord Hey Sibongile.! ☺️ How are you?
Good thanks & yourself?
I got so excited seeing your name, hope all is well your side 😊
Great conversation. Would like to hear a discussion about hair and also naming.
Great topic, I know a thing or two about this, quite a deep conversation, great unpacking 👏
just in time when I was contemplating bleaching my skin, such conversations are needed
I think I'm addicted to this show yoooh
Our skin tones should not the centre of our identity . I concur. Thank you for the conversation .
I'm not a fan of being light-skinned. The teasing is just as bad. Plus being an introverted and shy person, standing out gives me extra anxiety so I barely leave the house.
Yes, it stems from racism (Whites told us we're ugly n so in our minds to this day is that beauty equates those who are as close as possible to Whites in complexion) but it's now sustained n perpetuated by our own community (Black), which I guess was the goal: ''tell a generation they are ugly n inferior n watch the damaging effects throughout all their descendents''. I wish there was at least one dark skinned-guy to speak from his perspective bc I know for a fact that most dark-skinned girls get bullied n rejected by men they are interested in more than by women & vv, guys tease guys who go for dark-skinned ladies n the most interesting part of it all is that most dark-skinned guys go for light skinned-women/yellow-bones reflecting an even deeper insecurity that men too have themselves.
Beautiful ladies on this set👌💕
Wonderful conversation, thanks ladies
Argg Sheila is Gorgeous 😍😍😍😩😩…her voice😍
I'm so excited to see how this channel and community are growing.
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You are both very beautiful. Sheila's voice, my goodness!!!!! ❤❤❤
The fact the when Sheila said she once tried to BLEACH her skin and Makgotso goes "REALY??!" and the proceeds to giggle shows that you people need to one talk about how colorism DOES NOT affect light skinned women. If it did, ask any light skinned woman if she would want to be darker skinned tomorrow. This conversation is so useless as long as you insist on always allowing light skinned women to go woe is me too whenever the conversation comes up.
Lol She Liberally Said She Would Sit On The Sun To Be Darker. What More Do You Want.
I agree that Colourism doesn't affect lightskin women, what they experience is bullying.
Darkskin women go through hell.
Btw...I am starting a YT channel soon that will discuss these issues and others that affect black women in a SOUTH AFRICAN context ❤️.
I dealt with that since I was 6 years old till today...I was called white boy and albino, even today am still experiencing the same thing and is worse as a light skinned guy interms of getting a girlfriend, not easy at all and also rejected so many times at the auditions for adverts...tried to get burned by the sun which resulted in damaging my skin...very bad
Yeah I have noticed light skinned guys have opposite experience than woman , you're considered soft, not man enough act. It bad you hear woman saying they don't date light skinned guys. But I believe we are a growing society people are becoming woke.
@@zandiletshazi9776 ❤❤
What beauty is in all these three beautiful ladies😍😍😍
Jhoo i suffered from this when growing up.. I Had a frie d who was light n i well im dark.. U invited her to a job interview where i was already working during school holidays ...she got the job too... Then our boss decided to send her to a most busy mall where sales were flying like sweets mind you i was supposed to be working there as agreed previously. But hey i just had to take what i was given coz complaining even sounded like i was Jealous or suhm. 😌
Eish
I mean we have words like Yellow bone ,we sing about it ,we don't understand meaning behind it .
Beautiful and well spoken ladies. Thank you let for letting us in on your experiences. #DifferentShadesOfBeauty
Ey colourism is a lot.. Okare being Dark is a terrible sin.. 💔
However re Ma black beauty 🔥❤️
African families are beautiful.We don't usually have the same skin color even though we are from the same mother and father...
Beautiful topic and then there is Sheila my word😍😍😍😍😍
Colorism, featurism and texturism are all manifestations of racism. We need more conversations on this in S.A.
Starting a YT channel soon that will discuss that & more in a SOUTH AFRICAN context❤️
@@BlackFSAn I will subscribe... When it's up.
I have never had like a voice appreciation kodwa Sheila is gifted
All of you there ladies nibahle
I'm black and proudest
Unfortunately just like racism colorism will NEVER go away.
This episode can give birth to as mush as 5 episodes. This is real especially with families.
I don't know if its the lighting on the set but I don't find Sheila to be really dark. I also can understand that she got most of the comments because South Africans are mostly of lighter shades. Her skin tone wouldn't be of much issue in East Africa. I'm Kenyan.
"Light" or "dark" is relative based on which part of the world you are. In Southern Africa she is definitely considered dark.
Eix pple like to bully those who are different to them unaware. just like stammering kids sometimes they end up losing confidence and taking career path that require less talking
Wow 🤩 I need to practise that confidence Sheila talks about!!!
Me too❤️😍
I love seeing African woman have such beautiful enlightening conversations. I appreciate the knowledge and insights.
Thank you Sis Lebo ❤️
This issue it way to deep and I can only imagine if you've be subject to deal with at a personal level.
Your skintone is part of your beauty , it shouldn't qualify you...!! word 🙌🏽
her dad is from my hometown, Bochum (Limpopo). i don't know why that excites me but yeah
Very interesting topic being unpacked today 🌻.
That light skin for has beautiful lios and the dark skin girl is hella intellectually smart
Sheila s voice ❤️❤️❤️❤️yer n she's beautiful
I watch your show religiously ❤️❤️❤️
I appreciate you 🙏🏾
A great show,and thank you ladies for sharing your experiences. To the guests,you're both beautiful,hands down. Miss Relebogile thanks for asking the right questions with so much sensivity.
The colourism and hair texture thing in SA is just insane. I have so many stories to tell. I went to predominately white Afrikaans primary and high schools in the Northern Cape. There were only a few coloureds in both schools. The ones with the coarser hair would automatically dislike the ones with more straight/ “boere haare” known as the” basters”. And the assumption was always that the basters thought they were better than the other coloureds (which was often the case). I remember a “baster” girl whose hair was constantly being pulled by other coloured kids with coarser hair. In high school I had a “baster” friend and one with coarser hair. They never ever even bothered getting to know each other.