Valve Adjustment and Cam Chain Tensioner Replacement | KTM 1090 1190 1290 Adventure
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- čas přidán 26. 04. 2020
- In this episode of Back in the Garage, I show you how to adjust the valves on my 2016 KTM 1290 Super Adventure. The process is the same for all of the KTM 1090, 1190 and 1290 Adventure Bikes. Additionally, I show you how to replace the cam chain tensioners.
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Dude...... you are my "go to" online instructor for any repairs on all my KTM's, can't thank you enough and say keep up the great videos.
Appreciate it!
You have no idea how helpful you are to DIY people like me. I successfully checked the valves on my 1090 and they were all in spec. Hell, I've used your videos for everything I've done to my 1090. Thanks again! I still think your intro "Back in back in the back back back in the garage back in back in the garage" is hilarious and it drives my wifey crazy. If you ever head towards the PNW (Oregon) then we should get a beer or something. I owe you a beer. Or 5.
Glad to hear they've helped you out! (Some people HATE the intro 😂) Hope to get back out to Oregon before too long.
Great vid, good to see other people doing their own maintenance - just about to do my 1290 R - 60k KM service so good just to get a refresher on the valve gaps
I’ve only just removed my back wheel and cleaned my rear brake pads. I was so excited that I did it and put it all back together. This video........ well!!!!!!
Hey Mario. I am just amazed by the mechanical work you can do on your KTM. Your videos have been helpful on a few occasions but mostly I watch them for entertainment as I am far from doing work on the bike like shown on this video - so this is just a little shoutout and greetings from Germany as I am watching this video on the big screen. Love your videos- cheers Oliver
Thanks Oliver! Much appreciated.
Super helpful tip on resetting the OEM cam chain tensioner. Thanks for yet another valuable instructional guide to keeping a 1X90 running.
Glad it helped!
Very good video, congratulations. So instructive.
....and welcome back to the garage!! Thanks dude! Awesome...
Thanks man!
Great video, my 1290 is at 19,000 miles now so due for a check, I did watch that video. 👍
Well I've used your Back in the Garage video's before and I'll have to catalog this one for future use. Oh and nice watch.
Thanks for the info! Great video!
Hello from Russia! Thanks for your great videos, Mario. Looks like many of KTM's professional mechanics around the world are going to curse you for your educational activities)))
Eh...many still won't work on their own bikes but hopefully will have an appreciation for the work being done on them.
Great informative video mate well done 👍 🇬🇧
Thanks 👍
Nice job that looks like a giant fafh hopefully she’s all sweet now back together 👍👍👍
Yep. All back together and running great.
Fabulous
Thank's A LOT! It's a masterclass.
I heard the CCT was a problematic part on LC8 engines, and because I truly consider buying a used 1090, I will ensure that new ones are mounted along with the valve check/tuning operation.
Still, rallyraidproducts seems not to produce the part anymore.
Do you have any idea of other good manufacturer or should I just go for the OEM one?
Again, your videos are truly truly appreciated man. Merci! ✌️
Can I ask you what brought you to the conclusion that your cct was extending to far out like was the chain just really tight?
Thanks 👍🏻
Good one
We need a valve adjustment video for the 890 Adv R! Please!
Watching this makes me want to put the valve cover back on, wish they were up higher, I don't wanna remove more stuff after just taking all of the other stuff off. I'm forking up the donuts on this one lol knowing me, I'd drop something while unscrewing. No thanks, still a great instructional video.
I have a bunch of stuff in the way of my rear cylinder can chain tensioner, how did u end up getting to it? There’s some black box on mine I didn’t see on yours but it won’t move
hola en la KTM 1290 que cantidad de millas soporta la cadena de distribución y tensores. Gracias
I knew it!
Watching the video and waiting for you to say "tensioner has failed on reset" Mine did the exact same but I went with manual tensioners so just set them to 4mm of play in between the cams and boom! Done!
Now I don't have to worry about them failing at god knows what RPM and ruining my engine.
You go with Dirt Trix?
@@2WR Rally raid bud.
www.rally-raidproducts.co.uk/ktm-excf-manual-cam-chain-tensioner
They state they are for the single cylinder bikes but they fit our LC8's no issue. New O-rings - there's one on the tensioner and one one the cap if I'm remembering right? - in with them and as I say just fit to 4mm of play at TDC. I have a video on me doing it on my page. Slightly loose is better than too tight. Would recommend a touch of sealant on the front on because of the downward angle. Mine is weeping a DOT of oil after .. 6k miles or so. No big issue just FYI
@@Mr.Winston I dont understand when you say "tensioner failed on reset" I just did my valve clearences and when it comes to unlocking the tensioner, the thing goes out and puts tension on the chain... but if I turn the engine a few times the tensioner does some funny thing, like it goes in a bit and the chain gets loose, keep turning and then goes tight again... Does that means that the tensioner is bad?? Front one wasnt doing the same thing till I pulled out... now both do the same thing.. help please
I think the correct term for what Im saying is "jump time" (according to your video) Does this means my tensioners are gone? Or just badly realeased?
@@MauroRubioGiletta try releasing it and setting it again. But I don’t trust these tensioners. As I said above I went and bought manual ones they literally cannot break or be wrong once you’ve set them.
Ottimo . Potresti farmi vedere come si cambiano le candele ? Su ktm790 adv. Però in italiano? Grazie.
Good job 👍 could just explain what is the other way to reset the camshaft tensioner ?
Using a couple of washers. There are videos on CZcams. Also shown in the service manual. Just easier to do with the vice. New tensions come ready to drop in.
2 Wheeled Rider Many thanks for your quick reply ✌️
....."ba ba back in back in back in ba ba ba back in the garage!" Hahaha. Love it.
Some hate it but...it is what it is. Thanks man!
thanks for the great video.
I made a mistake and lost my crank/cam timing while setting valves. How do I know when I have crank at TDC for each cylinder? Thanks
Gonna be tough to answer without some additional information...1) What do you mean by "lost the timing"? 2) Which cylinder?
To get the timing back you can turn over the engine, insure you're not TDC on the opposite cylinder and then check that the notch of the crank shaft is visible. If you're not TDC on the opposite cylinder and the notch of the crankshaft is visible, then take a screwdriver on the cylinder you're working on and make sure the piston is all the way up. If all 3 check out, you're TDC.
@@2WR thank you. Is there only 2 notches on crank, one for each tdc?
Very helpful
So, just to confirm….. to just change the rear cam chain tensioner only, you can follow the same process as the front?
Might seem obvious, but I’m hoping to drop a deposit on a 2018 model in the next few days.
Thanks in advance.
Process is the same on both front and rear.
Hi Mario, what service book do you use? I think to do everything in my bike by myself to👍
Link to the manual on my Google drive drive.google.com/file/d/0B8O1_ZmAiD-dVGZERnFqQjFGSGc/view?usp=drivesdk&resourcekey=0-ttVCaU9N_Klgmt68-tKhCg
mario,I know its been a little while since this video was recorded so hopefully you can answer question, when you use the small phillips screwdriver to hold in time TDC , my question is , does the screwdriver fit in a notch or hole in lower gear ? or something else, repair Manuel is a little vague about it. i have a 2017 1290 adv. T like the one you rode in some of your videos, Thanks for posting.
Still test these things (single and twin cylinders) all the time. It’s just and added safely. I’ve checked plenty without blocking. (If you know what you’re doing u can get things back in time even if u jump time)
Nice work!....whats the correct shim's diameter?
Many thanks in advance
10.0mm
Those bike does take 10mm shims right?
Getting ready to check the valves on my 15 1290 adventure. This video is going to make this possible. 🤞Bike has been hard starting in colder temps. Thinking it needs valve adjustments. From what I've been told by the guy I bought it from a couple months ago it's never been done. 27k on it now. Do you suggest I just order new cam chain tensioner and replace them since we are all up in there already?
New tensioners aren’t going to hurt anything. 10.00mm shims
Hello there, I ordered engine blocking screw for my 2015 SAT (part number 61229015000), and I' m waiting for the delivery for more than three weeks. Some of expirienced 990 riders told me they made it by themselves. Do you know precise measures of that blocking screw (I need it for valve clearence check). Also, one more question, did you replace fuel filter? My bike has 80000 kms, so maybe it would be good to change it.
Just use a small phillips screwdriver...works the same
Fucking A Mario! Great video! Call me coward but I'll do that at the dealer... just in case. LOL
I'm the guy who mentioned the mod about backlighting the handlebar switches. I haven't have time to try yet but I keep u posted about it whenever I go for it. Greetings from California!!
HAHA! Better to recognize it than to get in over your head and not get it back together. Hope you're doing well!
What did the cam chain tensioners run you? All parts needed ball park $ ?
$50-60 a piece
Nice vid! How in the hell did you get the oring in? I am having, let's just say a hard time. Just tore my new oring and reordering. Looking for thoughts or tricks thanks.
Which O-ring? The one on the tensioner?
@@2WR Yeah, I have a 690 with a slightly different design. Was having a hell of a time getting the oring past the threads and onto the tensioner. The cap is a different style than the 500's. Just thought you might have some thoughts.
Mario, what diameter are the shims? Unfortunately my 1290 is ready for some shims too...
found it already.
Great video Mario, can't see the number on that snap on tool used to release the tensioner, could you please check with Lance let know.
Many thanks
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Thanks Mario my KTM 1190 is coming up 60000km better have a look inside soon.
Cheers for prompt reply
When is the first one due?
Well, I wish this was out a few months ago because it definitely took me like 6 hours 🤣
LOL, sorry bro!
So adjusting the valves on a motor is just replacing shims and with ones that are the correct thickness??
That’s it
I know this is an old video, but I have a question for you. How did you get the small Allen plug screwed in on the rear cylinder timing chain tensioner plug?
Spin it in my hand, then used a small L-shaped Allen to tighten it.
@@2WR Did you have to cut an Allen down to get it in there?
No, I had one in the tool box that fit it.
Hi any ideas 1050 adventure 2016 , lost gear indicator and neutral light ,bike will only run with kick stand up and clutch in, then release the clutch she runs, bike runs and rides good
Check your side stand switch connection.
@2 Wheeled Rider hi cheers for reply I just assumed that would be OK as the bike will start if its up would that knock out the display on the dash
I have a ticking noise coming from the engine on my 2018 1290 SAR. Is this normal with the lc8 engines?
It’s not normal
How did the tensioner fail? How much did they cost? Seems strange that one failed so early on!
They're hydraulic so when they go, they go. Buddy of mine at ADV Moto magazine had one fail at 18k. I think they're around $50-60 a piece.
Hello Mario. First of all thank you for your videos!!
I have a problem on my KTM 1190 Adv. 2014 with 90,000km. Air pressure comes out through the metal tubes of the SAS. If I cover them I have great pressure in the oil and it comes out through the adjustment covers. Do you know what it can be? The exhaust valve setting is at 0.20.
Thank you very very much
First, the exhaust valve is too tight; should be .25-.30mm. I'm a bit confused. Do you have the the hose to the SAS membrane cover removed? I'm not sure how you'd know there's air pressure coming out otherwise.
@@2WR Thank you very much for your quick response. I removed the hoses and with the engine running air comes out through the metal tubes of the membranes. It is very rare, engine oil came out of the valve cover gasket, when disconnecting the sas hoses no oil comes out. I do not understand. You have those membranes covered and the pressure from there has to go through the exhaust. In my engine it seems that it goes up through the valve seal towards the oil, I don't know if I'm wrong. With your engine running, air comes out of the membranes?
I have block off plates installed on mine which seal off the membranes. If you’ve got the hoses disconnected you need to install block offs. You’ve essentially left the SAS open which is what’s causing the issue you’re experiencing. You’re also opening up your engine to damage (Tho not a super high risk) because you have an open port into the cylinder.
While I’m using these on my bikes there are cheaper options on eBay. www.rottweilerperformance.com/stage-1-sas-canister-removal-kit-big-twins/
@@2WR Ok, Thanks you very much
Hello. Could I make a question you about my KTM Adv 1190? I have a problem and can’t to find resolve it. May be you could help me with your expert opinion. Thank you.
Shoot me an email 2wheeledriderdotcom@gmail.com
@@2WR Yes I will. Thanks
I changed the shims on my intake valves but every time I rotate the motor on the rear cylinder there is a certain point where there is slack in the cam chain at the top between the two cams. The timing marks always stay lined up and once you rotate past that point the cam chain gets tight again. Is this normal slack or did I do something wrong? The tensioner is released, I pulled it out and verified and then reinstalled and released it. Thanks
Maybe just a weeeee little bit but if it’s a noticeable amount, which it sounds like it is, it doesn’t sound like your cam chain tensioner fully released.
@@2WR it is, I replaced them, both are new and I pulled one out to check and it was fully released
I posted a video on the Facebook club ktm 1190 ADV page if you want to watch it
Unfortunately, tight clearance on intake valves means the engine sucked some dirt. Thanks for the video: it looks like it's been a hard job to film and work in such a tight space
That or...rear cylinder runs hotter since it gets way less air. Likely a combo of the 2. Definitely not the easiest job to film. Hopefully the video in combination of the service manual helps people out.
@@2WR you might take a look at one of these...
USB Inspection Camera Borescope Endoscope for Android PC 6.5ft (USBENDOSCOPE)
You have had a couple cases where you just couldn't get the camera shot because of hand clearance.
When I got mine, I don't think they were making a 5mm version... now they do. It would be nice to be able to inspect the 5.56 & 7.62 bores... but that's a different channel. :)
Not always. My 800XC frequently had tight intakes and it never sucked dirt.
Would this be the same for the 2014 SDR ?
yep
Obviously important to clean everything above the valve covers before doing this work. After 34k miles how did you clean all those nooks and crannies ?
Combination of brake cleaner (non-flamable) and simple green and a brush and rag.
Also, they'd been off and cleaned at 17/18K and the rear once a few thousand miles ago in dealing with something else so they weren't too bad.
Hallo, how many kilometers do you have driven on your motorcycle?
56,000
@@2WR I have 85 000km and I would like to change. You have got really good videos. Thanks you
how did you get to know that the tensioner wasnt pulling all the way out?
You mean expanding all the way out? Because there wasn't enough tension on the timing chain.
@@2WR was the tension even all the way around the chain?
Could you help me. I have one KTM Adventure 1190, 2014 with 9500 miles on it. When she is hot, after run 50 minutes does not want to start. I changed the battery, and the issues continue. The technician installed the scanner and doesn't said nothing . Do you have any idea what would be the problem? Please let me know if you have any idea. I'm very disappointed with my bike. Thank you so much.
Have you checked the valves? First sign of valves out of spec is hard starting when hot.
No yet. I will do. I will let you know what happens. Thank you so much!!!
How did you know the cam chain tensioner was not engaging properly? You mentioned it was engaging too far.
Cam chain was too tight to turn over.
I think you busted the CCT when you collapsed it the first time with the vise. The loud "click" when you compressed it broke the internal ratchet mechanism. Not sure how your "buddy" determined that your CCT was "worn" out by looking at it or trying to release it the wrong way. Has he got some kind of 6th sense? Please tell us how this was determined so we can all learn. Also, releasing the installed tensioner with a screwdriver from inside the chain galley is in no way an approved method and I can only see badness from doing this (gouged gasket surfaces, etc.). Gotta use a rod/Allen key from the tensioner side, as shown in the manual and all other videos on the subject.
Scott, while aftermarket cam chain tensioners like Dirt Tricks are hydraulic with and internal ratchet system, the stock cam chain tensioners are hydraulic oil pressure only. So while your theory would be correct if it was aftermarket it falls short in this case. As for my “buddy” he’s built multiple national championship winning engines over the last 20 years so I’ll follow his advice over someone I don’t know. You’re more than welcome to check out the couple of 2 Wheeled Rider Podcasts he’s been featured on. His number is on the show notes if you have questions for him. (Look for John Ross)
@@2WR I know how the DT and OEM tensioners work. The DT is NOT designed for engines larger than 500cc (despite its sellers saying so. I called them and they could not answer any of the questions I posed below) exactly for the reason you state - it's a ratchet system and it will not correctly allow for needed slack when the engine gets hot (i.e., it will overtighten when cold and not be able to adjust to the needed longer chain length when the cylinder and head expand away from the crankshaft center line) as well as the bigger engines have longer chains and more stress and relaxation on the chain due to the increased load on the valve train. The DT tensioner was designed for smaller engines and should not be used for anything else. You might do well to watch this video and get back to us: czcams.com/video/0u0lE4hM1ok/video.html As for your buddy, you did not tell us how he determined the tensioner was "bad" which is what I asked for so we could all learn his methods. I could care less about his racing bonefides if he can't explain something in simple and repeatable terms.
Yeah that crunch sound wasn’t good and the amount of force needed collapse it was too much. I cringed when I heard that sound.
@@2WR Exactly as my colleague writes above, too much force in the vice and you damaged the tensioner yourself, my colleague did the same, using your video, he damaged the tensioner in the same way, you should correct it so that people do not take this example.
@@qtcrowecrunch sounds in engine parts are never healthy
Anyone know if you can change the timing chain tensioner rail by removing the tapped cover only or do u need to remove the cylinder head ? KtM 200
Another good video Mario, I've been using the box wrench on allen / hex wrench for torque for yrs., great tip.
Good thing you realized, (or found out through help from a bud), that the old tensioner was bad, before you bolted everything back up! If your bored around the house like many, here's a classic race, (you may have watch a dozen times already), of Rossi & Marquez, (slide monster), from 2015. czcams.com/video/V0GKRLvO7gc/video.html 2015 Argentina Moto GP
Thought I was doing something wrong trying to get the tensioner to engage. Sometimes is nice to have someone else there to confirm you're right and it's the part that's not working. I've been watching a bunch of MotoGP docs lately trying to get my race fix.
@@2WR Yes, and you & your channel help DIY'ers keep from making painful & costly mistakes, so good on you, even though I can see, it's much for challenging to work on your bike While filming!
Rest of us. Don't even think about it. Find the nearest KTM dealer.
Thats not a micrometer.
That's not a small job :( But the dealer is charging me 2k$ for the job and guy who's going to do the job is not qualified to do it and has never adjusted valves on a motorcycle...
I also never did valve adjustment, but I did a couple of valve check and pretty much everything else on my motorcycle. I guess since it's my bike and I will be extra careful, I will do a better job.
Keep the service manual close by and you’ll be fine.
No wonder dealers charge what they do to complete this service!!
Yep...it's all about time.
@@2WR and knowledge!! Seems rather daunting.
When we did Tyler's bike a month or two ago we watched me and when we got done said "that's not really that difficult." It's really not a "hard" job but does take time and you dont' want to make any mistakes as they can be costly.
Using a wise to reset the cam tensioner is a really bad idea. I bet you broke it and that’s why you needed to replace it.
I don’t know who you are but…I’ve got over 62k miles on my bike; thanks for the advice 😂😂
Seriously!? No torque wrench?! That’s not the way to do it right.👎🏼
😂😂