Explaining The "Good" Tyrant
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- čas přidán 19. 06. 2024
- How do we respond to an imperfect world which makes us suffer? The root of society is seeking a better future for the people within it, but there are many ways to tackle this. Authoritarian solutions, one ruler holding power through force, are often against this base idea, but a few stories analyze characters seeking to be good authoritarians. They’re usually utilitarian characters who use power to destroy power, having a kind heart but “doing what must be done” to achieve change against slow, idealistic methods. Let’s discuss if there is any validity to this idea; that is, could one great man with the goal for utopia actually carve it out through force?
Vinland Saga, likely one of the best recent anime, received a season two in 2023 on both Netflix and Crunchyroll, expanding the characters of Thorfinn and Canute greatly. Set some years after Askeladd changed the course of history against king Sweyn, Thorfinn has been sold into slavery and once prince Canute is King of England, soon to be of Denmark as well. Each seeks to create a paradise or utopia on earth, either against god or simply out of kindness, but these characters take very different paths in Vinland Saga Season Two. Thorfinn, with Einar’s help, wants to create a nation where those sick of a cruel world can flee, while Canute seeks to create one through force and sacrifice, like taking the farm of Ketil or poisoning other kings. Canute is certainly leading a utilitarian revolution, however he does minimize the costs as much as possible. So we ask in this anime video essay; could the good authoritarian actually carve out a paradise or utopia? We’ll analyze the king’s actions and discuss their implications to reach an answer.
0:00 Introduction
2:10 The Crown Calls
7:44 The Best Worst Way
15:11 Utopia on Bodies
20:38 Two Paths
33:52 The Good Tyrant
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Personally I'm not very religious myself. But the idea is that god already made the "perfect beings" but they lacked free will. Those were the angels. So god decided humans shall be given the greatest gift of all free will. That's the source of all our troubles but it's the only reasons we are not automatons or philosophical zombies. I'm personally agnostic myself but just saying that's the idea. Anyways with that distraction out of the way onto the video
I was 30 years old and 10 years into 2 philosophy degrees before I had the thought “what if the suffering itself isn’t the trial; what if the trial is getting through suffering while remaining kind?”
Like you said, intent doesn’t matter because you can’t control how others will respond and react to what you put into the world; so you can only control your own self and what emanates from it. In order to give the best effect and impact from your self, you need to keep the well-being of the community and environment in the forefront of your mind and intent.
I never thought of the question as such, and never could have put it so succinctly.
I always saw life as a test, but like any game, it can played on different levels of difficulty, and the easiest "game" is just survival, and the most difficult being one of making the world more kind. The test was always about how you act and why you act, but also just what level of play you wish to do.
To ignore intent is foolishness, it is part and parcel of the rationale one partakes in and people ought to be aware of it when determining the actions of a person
James is clear, life is not a test. It's a mission. We are given trials, trials which we know we are able to bear. Absolutely no human is sinless, therefore we need Christ
Suffering is inevitable once you get into this world..so the question is..would you rather suffer as a good man or suffer for your sins? Socrates, jesus, boudha said it's morally better to be a victim of injustice than a perpetrator..that's the only way to make the world better.
thats pretty much what islam is. Life is a test: a test of if you will remain steadfast and patient in a life with guaranteed hardships and troubles. God never puts you through suffering unless it is to atone for your sins or to give you a chance to enter heaven for if you remain steadfast through it, the rewards are beyond the human imagination. im p sure that theres some hadith that goes smthing along the lines of: God never pricks the skin with trivial pain unless the burden of a sin is being taken from you.
Throughout the era of King Cnut the Great, Viking activities waned and eventually vanished. This decline was due to the rapid centralization of England and Denmark and Christianization of Danes under Cnut's rule, leading to the dismantling of independent armed forces such as Joms Vinking. While this process required significant bloodshed, it subsequently laid the foundation for both England and Denmark to move forward as unified territorial states, rather than fragmented regions in tumultuous times, setting them on a path of peace. His reign was brief, but his achievements shine brightly even to this day.
It's a far cry from his heaven on earth, history since then has proven that, but that's an impossible task to do, even if you're willing to become a brutal dictator. I think even just managing to make his countries a couple percent better more than proves he accomplished his goal, and puts him among the great men of history.
I just wanted to thank you for spelling his name right. I understand the confusion but I've seen canute so many times I might have an aneurysm
@@KTheStrugglerCanute is also correct. Technically he is Knútr or Knurd in Old Norse but in English it got adopted as Cnut or Canute the Great. So all is fine, nobody can agree on what the true spelling was since multiple spellings are found in historical archives (believe it or not in 980-1030 writing wasn’t exactly wide spread and defined in a convenient lexicon everyone could look up words and their spelling in, was also a very different English from ours)
@@MegaMrASD very interesting. Thanks for letting me know!
There is no kindness in the WORLD I WANT TO BUILD ...Canute is fighting Dragons that can't be killed. Human emotions are always in the way of enlightenment. You don't save people by ruling over them.
While that may be true, I fear that the takeaway is that human beings can't be "saved". At least in the nebulous sense of redemption and kindness for everyone. It simply isn't possible.
It doesn't mean there is no hope for humanity, but it does lend itself to the kind or philosophical Gordian Knot that ends up with the kinds of solutions Canute comes up with.
Well said
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Well, half true. The human heart will cause conflicts and that can't be saved with a ruling approach but having a good ruling structure so that there are opportunities for it's citizens to explore is a significant aspect to change and growth. Stability offers that. War is the opposite of stability.
The truth is, there can be no world completely void of hate. That’s like trying to eat chocolate with 0% insects. What a good ruler does is take into account the many desires of their subjects, and does not punish them for their desires, but instead finds ideal ways to accommodate these needs without Destroying others
There's something to be said about canute vs. thorfinn
Canute's life is one that starts with idealism and falls into the problem of pragmatism, which thorfinn is only really capable of being kind and living his ideals because of the trauma and deadly force he learned from his childhood.
Without thorfinn, the ideals fall because other men are weaker in character than him, and they don't have a visceral memory and knowledge of what violence and the actions they choose lead to.
Canute knows the ideals, but is willing to do whatever is necessary in a way for them, and though the changes are brutal, he does have changes beyond him.
I sympathize the most with thorfinn, and haven't the heart since childhood for what canute does but i understand it.
How would more people with Thorfinn mindset come to see it as he did, and turn it into kindness? I guess an analysis of Einar is required as well for that, I'd have to go more into their scenes for sure
I mean Thorfinn basically says the same. He doesn’t agree with Cnut but he understood why he did what he did and even said “your way will make lives better for many at the price of few” he understood that as much as he wanted to be a pacifist, that wouldn’t be able to change the entire world, it could only change the very small sphere around him, and was okay with leaving changing the world to Cnut and his ways, and I think he also trusted that Cnut would succeed eventually in his goal while Thorfinn would work his best on picking up the slack. That’s why he didn’t tell Cnut to stop, just to not make his work harder then necessary
To be a good tyrant, one must be immune to what stress and pressure does to a human mind. And no human is immune to stress. To be immune to the corruption that always comes to tyrants, one must be able to take on all the world's stress without snapping and yelling at someone. For if you can't even prevent yourself from doing that, how are you supposed to prevent more horrible violence from your deeds and decisions?
Part of the flaws I forgot here that ties his delusions and isolating into it is for sure that. He even more so takes all that onto himself, trying to be the evil king so others can one day not be evil. It requires a perfection that can't be achieved for sure, as we see him slipping away at times
The whole problem of the benevolent tyrant really harkens back to Plato's ideal of the philosopher king. Some leaders can be better than others, but I don't think any man can maintain a truly righteous heart when he has absolute power over others. That type of political power is too corrupting of an influence.
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You can infer a contrast without living it, especially if you live within the immediate realm of a perfect, benevolent, omniscient being. The contrast argument has never been a good one. That being said, I'm gonna love this video.
They could also just create us with the necessary knowledge, if they're actually all powerful. But I agree, I've come to see the importance of contrast more recently for human matters, but never for godly ones
@@ProfessorViral agreed with the first part but disagreed with the other part. don't have to experience not being spaghettified in a black hole to appreciate not dying in extreme agony for hundreds of thousands of years.
While I'm not religious, I think a better argument is that for good to exist requires evil to also exist. You cannot be good if you are given no choice but to be good; being good requires the possibility of choosing to do evil instead, and then to still choose good over it. You could even say that the very definition of "good" requires the opposing idea of what is "not good", ie evil. The concept of Good without the concept of evil doesn't really have any meaning, their definitions depend on each other.
@@ProfessorViralan existence in paradise is meaningless. Because to live in perfection is to live without any true choice. Nothing you do matters, and indeed your choices, if you can even make independent value judgements living in a paradise, are essentially meaningless. In the beginning God have us a paradise with one flaw, a rule that could be broken. When Adam and Eve made the choice to break that rule, they were sent out of paradise. Not as a punishment, but because they had proven they valued freedom to make their own choices more than an existence in a paradise where nothing would, could, or even necessarily *should* change. Their choice was not wrong because it violated God’s word, their choice proved that they had the ability and even desire to live in an imperfect world where those choices could matter
@@thenew4559not in Christian philosophy. Good and bad aren’t opposites of each other therefore don’t rely on each other both ways. Good is defined as anything God is. His very being and every characteristic he possesses is goodness, and to do bad or be evil is to do anything he wouldn’t do or be anything he wouldn’t be. Evil doesn’t give meaning to good, God is goodness, and god exists in his totality without evil, for he cannot be something he isn’t.
Now if you are talking about concepts of good and evil without the existence of the Christian god, then your statement holds a lot more truth in it, however even then I agree evil makes good more obvious, but even then goodness doesn’t exist in opposition of evil, it exists despite it, and therefore doesn’t rely on the existence of evil to have value. You can attribute more value to people who do good in places that have evil standing in opposition to them, but the good deed itself doesn’t increase or decrease in value.
When I started season 2 I was confused where this story was going. Obviously I knew that they were setting up thorfinns character arc, but I wasn’t sure how this story would progress. After finishing the season I can confidently say this is one of my favorite shows oat. Such insanely good writing, enthralling characters, and beautiful animation.
I wanted to see a Canute video so badly thank you there isn’t enough quality vinland videos on CZcams
Always happy to do a follow up on *the boy*
@@ProfessorViral Also I really craving vinland video in general because nobody makes them or they’re just bad videos. But Canute season 2 was one I wanted in particular that really itched a scratch thank you!
@@ProfessorViral also I had to subscribe and like after seeing this video so I hope you make more Vinland talking about videos I can tell you put a lot of effort into this.
Great video, love to see thoughtful Vinland Saga analysis!
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Will say this was an interesting discussion and analysis. Less of a critique and more of a suggestion at least from my lense there's a feminist discussion to be had here about the role gendered expectations play into how these men act and react to each other. I think the most poigent scene to illustrate it is one where you praise Canute. Yes he does train and harden his body to fight alongside his men but how he fights and how he acts in doing so is under their policing. They take pride in him as their king because they see a once meek boy redefined into what they feel is a true danish man, note Canute wins his training fight through his wits and exploiting the emotions of his opponent, not the raw power so many larger than life men like Thorkell. There are these gendered negotiations the characters of vinland saga often must engage with in order to obtain power. Except for the women. I think it also connects to your point on why Canute struggles to play on the good in mens hearts.
Its a weakness.
Why ask for somethng you can take? Why pause for cooperation when you know deep within yourself that your fellow man is not an ally but a threat?
I think post colonial thinking is also a valuable idea here to look at Vinland Saga but at least in my watch I was outstanded by how much it understodd how men use and abuse power for the sake of not being treated like the women in their lives. I think its really telling the men who tend to have the most character and strength against these temptations of power are the ones largely raised by women.
There are archetypes that all people live under and the aspiration to inhabit an archetype is entirely natural and it goes beyond just a single individual as this expression can be seen society wide. The masculine archetype is one such archetype and is related to the nature of a human male, it is the idealization of what a man ought to be and to believe that this shouldn't exist is to ignore how people actually move in this world throughout history. It is a part of human existence and making peace with it rather than trying to dismantle it is better for everyone in the long run. You will see, the vast majority of the pain and suffering modern society has suffered is due to the modern movements that aimed to dismantle these archetypes and the institutions made to correctly place these ideals, in fact western civilization which has utterly destroyed these archetypes are even failing in the most basic of human needs, that is the ability to replace themselves. We are in a culture of death and parasitism thanks to modern philosophies like feminism
A@@newtonia-uo4889 brooooooooo, I didn't even make a critique of hegomic masculinity I was just pointing out how feminisim could be a useful tool to approach Vinland Saga. Where is this energy coming from
This was great bro! Really made me think more about ideologies and how I should carry my life as well
Master piece of a video, as always. This man never fails to deliver profound, sublime content. Thank you.
Thank you for such kind support 💙
Ketil's character is all about hypocrisy. He knew using slaves was wrong, hence why he took so many steps to treat them better, which you could argue from a moral standpoint is even worse than being unapologetically evil. These acts of limited kindness were nothing more than selfish attempts to relieve himself of guilt, justifying to himself that the slavery was no longer wrong because he was kinder than other slave masters. His kindness was all about himself, not the slaves. He let his own selfishness override his instincts of right and wrong, because doing the right thing would mean giving up the lavish lifestyle he had built for himself and living like his father. After all, he had built his entire status and wealth through lies. Him going psycho and beating Arnheid to near-death was the moment he dropped this façade of kindness, showing that he is perfectly willing to kill others to maintain his selfish desires. After that, he ended up nearly sacrificing all the people of his domain and getting himself killed all just to preserve his lifestyle.
Your argument is constructed on the grounds that Ketil ''knew using slaves was wrong''. Well... no. This is pure anachronism. In Ketil's world owning slaves was absolutely normal and he did not felt any guilt whatsoever. The real reason why he appears to be somewhat kind to them is because he believes that this will keep their productivity up.
In a way Ketil's way of thinking is very similar to a ''good'' corporate manager. Oh he is there to exploit you, have no doubts, but at least he will throw you some extra crumbs off his banquet's table if you are a good boy and go above and beyond. He will probably also make some nice speech that you are not in a corporation but a ''family'' until the day that you will be thrown out without a day's notice.
@@joek600 you make a good point, and I agree that productivity was probably part of the reasoning for him treating his slaves kindly (although, I'm not sure if a couple years of hyper-productive work to buy their freedom would really outweigh an entire lifetime of moderately productive work). However, while slavery was certainly the norm back then, the belief that owning other humans is wrong has existed since antiquity, it wasn't solely a post-enlightenment ideal. We even see Ketil's own father Sverkel reject using slaves in favor of doing farm labor himself, presumably because of his Christian beliefs (the Bible is a bit contradictory on the topic of slavery, but ultimately the Christian ethos of the equality of all souls and sympathy for the oppressed led to the end of legal slavery across most of the world). I can't remember if it was clarified whether Ketil shared his father's religion, but nevertheless his father served as an example to him of someone who did the right thing and stuck to his principles, even at the cost of material wealth. I don't think Ketil was just an evil person trying to maximize productivity, he was clearly struggling with an inner conflict over doing the right thing, as we saw when he didn't want to punish the kids that had stolen his crops.
Ask the slaves if they rather have a bad or a gentle master? I think the answer is quite obvious..
@@afrosamourai400 it’s obvious that a gentle master is preferable to an abusive one, but that’s not what I’m talking about. Regardless of how kind they are, owning others is still immoral.
@@thenew4559 of course owning people is evil but there are degrees in evil also..specially if you care about slaves.
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Thanks for the support with that!
This video was genuinely thought provoking for me so in my eyes it deserves this much and more. thank you for doing what you do it's re-sparked my interest in philosophy.
Thanks Prof ☕☺️ I appreciate you rundown
Awesome vid dude love the analysis
This is why i love King Canute & is the best character in Vinland Saga
He was for sure my favorite in season one, but I think in season two he loses a bit of his luster from any real on screen change happening only in the last minutes with narration
@@ProfessorViralsame I really loved him for s1 and even first half of second season had the hamlet vibes going but then the last few episodes really threw me off. I like to imagine that his philosophy still stands somewhere 😂….i just finished s2 of you couldn’t tell
Gods creation really does have such beautiful. My favorite one is the cells that make life possible. Nice quote there at the beginning.
Yukimura wrote some absolutely stellar lines in that part. Assuming they remained his in the adaptation
@@ProfessorViral Thanks for replying! Will watch your next vid!
man i hope u will blow up , ur videos tickle my brain, thank u for the content
To me the quintessential “good tyrant” is Reinhard von Lohengramm from Legend of the Galactic Heroes
I just saw a presentation on that at my local con! I can be seen somewhere in this photo from Matt who hosted it!
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@@ProfessorViral That’s awesome, the sticker is hilarious. Have you gotten the chance to watch LotGH yet? It’s my favorite anime and top 2-3 fictional stories I’ve consumed.
The thing is love has a power in vinland saga. Thats why askelad killed ragna, yes ragna could what he do to be a good influence to canute, but he did suceed as that . Thats why he was killed. Even if askeladd twisted that ad there is nuance, ragna was a threat, becaue love hold power too. it might e a weird sign of respect
i would argue love makes the world run and worthwhile. And youknow what makes canute change course, thorfin having found his compassion and prove that love is worth it, and to rig out a bit compassionate canute. Because love an be scary powerful toan is nessesary no matter how cynical someone is. .
The season was so good and damn it was sad too. I really love this version of Thorfinn.
Very nice video - I really like your style, like always xD.
And no worries - life can be quite hectic and chaotic, just make sure you have the right balance before you overwork yourself or neglect other aspects of life ^^
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Thank you! If a video ever isn't worthwhile either please feel comfortable to voice that as well. I really want to do my best to keep up the quality people came for
man, i've had this anime in the list for quite some time, i'll watch it when i finish Baki lol
thanks PV, for the video and your insight, as always
That'll be a great contrast. One story's all about extreme violence between hulking men who have made fighting their entire lifestyle, and the other's ultimately about pacificism and non-violence.
Ah yes, been waiting to see something about Canute.
Same I’m showing my husband season one of Vinland and this was a nice surprise. Seeing season one Canute being this somewhat shy naive boy grows to be what he becomes in season two,shows why Vinland is goated.
Fantastic video and as always ina vinland saga video: I have no enemies
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i was wondering why this video had such small numbers only to se eit got released like a few hours ago lmao
Subbed. Dope shit man. You get stories man 🙏
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It's a God complex
I think the best and worst thing someone told me was the universe was a reflection.
Once.you understand you have both God and Devil within, you try less to push the river but rather go with the flow.
Evil cannot be eradicated until once done within. But whats evil to the fly is dinner to the spider.
You will never be perfect. You are best off just being authentically you and enjoying the short time you get.
There is no pure order or pure chaos.
Worst thing we've done is try to enforce it on nature to adhere to our dumb rules. And now our planet is on fire. Which is mainly big corporations fault but we also play into it by continuing to think we need their structure to survive.
But there is always hope for change.
Steal from one to help two, does not always result in the one stealing from two as a response. Sometimes they steal from thirty, or one, or none. Maybe they snapped, and went on a thieving spree. Maybe you killed them. Maybe they couldn't risk stealing much, or at all. Or maybe they didn't even know they were robbed, or simply didn't need to steal to compensate.
Manipulating these outcomes, selecting for just the right sacrifices, is yet another key. Its a rigorous and long path to try and snatch light from hell. It's easy to ruin the whole thing at any point, so it becomes an inadvisable path, the sort of thing that is regarded as flatly 'wrong' even though it really can work, if you're *really* good at it, simply because it's more likely to go wrong and make things worse on average. Those you wrong to do good for others must be 'handled' in turn, in some way, either by compensating them, crushing them, or turning their minds to a better focus. Creative and holistic solutions can extract a net positive outcome, it's just damned hard to do it, especially consistently.
Canute is such a great character. We are conditioned to hate what he becomes by contrast to our protagonists goal, but unfortunately he’s probably got a clearer vision than Thorfinn.
You start disliking him, but he is more realistic and more likely to accomplish his goal than Thorfinn, and that’s sad .
I hope we get a few more chapters to wrap up his story before the end of the manga.
On the contrary. The two ideals are so absurd and almost, if not impossible that make Canute believe that Thorfinn can do it. Because if he admits that Thorfinn can`t do it, he will be admitting that he can`t do it either. He really demonstrate it in the analogy of his power trying to stop the sea.
What happened to your last video? I was about to watch it :^|
are you going to review psycho pass providence?
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World is the way it is because happiness is merely a tool for achieving greater things, and not a worthy goal for it's own sake
ketil forsure wouldve went out his way to help if canute just talked to him about it he should have only took the land of the farmers who did not have the same ideology in mind its messed up to do that to someone you couldve just talked to
Free will is the easy answear.
Canute is a chad
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hmm
Society is fucked up in many ways , when a good person does one small mistake they are pinned and shamed . When a bad person does something good , they still are still hated .
The question is "does one deed outweigh many deeds?" And the answer is often "it varies". If a serial killer saves someone from drowning, does that one life saved negate all the lives lost? If someone devotes their life to curing cancer and then molests a child, should that one transgression be overlooked in light of all the positive that person brought into the world? If someone steals a loaf of bread to feed their hungry family, is the monetary loss worth more than the human cost?
It's not a "society" thing- it's a "passing judgement based on how much suffering you deem an acceptable amount" thing, unless you believe suffering is a societal construct.
Alright am I the only one that was super thrown off by them using the old pronunciation of ass khalid's name in the second season out of nowhere
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The "translate to English" option made the "o" into "O". Perfection
30:30 Also thanks for using English dub clips. I hate when people use sub clips on an English Video so I can appreciate seeing a man of culture.
It's more accessible in many ways, and it makes for a much cleaner video overall. Editing subtitle footage is weird because you have to match dialouge as well, instead of just visuals
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Thor-fin not Tor-fin
So Alexander the Great?
the actual king canute was called canute the great so they had things in common yeah
All imperfection and evil is entirely the result of free will and the randomness that creates opportunity for discretion. If you go to heaven you simply return to God but you will lose your free will in that perfect state.
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Canute wants a paradise on earth, rebelling against God, and thinks eggs need to be cracked to make an omelet!
Canute goes from being a coward to a pragmatic king like his father!
You interpret and extrapolate a shi|# ton of philosophy, moral, and religious subtext that JUST DO NOT EXIST in the series! The series is more surface-level than what you make it out to be!
Canute has no objective form of morals he believes in, nor is he even CONSISTENT regarding his own set of "rules"!
He acts as if pillaging is a big no-no, upon winning a war, and yet is no more than a thief, trying to steal Ketels farm!
Einar and Thorfinn confronting his goofy a*# proves he is neither fully pragmatic NOR is he moral! He is just another tyrant, pretending to be just and good!
There is literally nothing impressive or significant about Canute!
Having a slightly better moral than his contemporaries does not say much!
Most humans on earth would be more moral Ketil and Canute in their position!
Any dumba*# could also tell either Canute and Thorfinn that their paradise on earth is unrealistic and ludicrous! None of them manage to hinder imposing conflict on others!
Like the series, you say very little, in an extremely unessecarily long-winded way, and a lot of time!
Too fond of your own voice! Shorten the video down, you are not saying all that much!
These characters are not as complex and multi-faceted as you make them out to be!
I root for no one in the series, nor am I given a reason to!
Ketil wants peace, and does not care about justice!
Canute wants peace, and does not care about justice!
Their conscience functions more as a hindrance to their goals, rather than an internal conflict of theirs!
They are both like spoiled children, with a lot of power, and mediocre levels of charisma!
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People also fail to realize that Harald his brother is not a blameless lamb he was a Viking king, one without the reservations of Canute. He is for all intents and purposes a great monster that needed to be put down to protect the lives of innocents
I don't think it's that deep and i actually hate the way canutes character development went, he's went way to edgelord with that "i rebuke you god" nonsense. When in reality they missed a golden opportunity to tell the story of the REAL life Christian conversion of denmark/Norway. Which inevitable did lead to peace withen christendom. but nope they flopped with edgelord nonsense
i love your analysis but hate your name pronunciations
God did make us perfect hence Adam and Eve, but because of there sin disobeying God and eating the fruit, we were cursed sins become part of our very nature, this is why evil and sadness still existed in the world. The good is that God sent his son jesus to come die on the cross and atone for our sins and save us from sin and hell, he is making a new heaven's and a new earth that will not have evil, death, hardship this world brings all God asked is that you put your faith in Jesus.
Live free or die trying
Hot take but I think Vinland saga is the most superficially deep content I’ve ever seen. It’s like the deep show for people who don’t watch deep stuff, it feels like the black eyed peas of TV
your theology is lacking, the maximum good requires suffering
Outside of theology, Nietzsche also argued that suffering is necessary in life. All accomplishments require work and suffering, so only by overcoming this suffering can we achieve great things. He even speculated that the very best life may require the most possible suffering. The problem is that you have to overcome the suffering to attain virtue, but the harsher suffering is the fewer people will be able to overcome it. I think somewhere in the middle is best for most people; neither so much suffering that everybody gives up, retreating into depression and nihilism, nor so little suffering that everybody becomes detached hedonists, with no interest in improving themselves. We should work to minimize unproductive suffering and suffering imposed on us against our will (violence, natural disasters, illness, child abuse, political oppression, etc), but also inspire people with the courage to voluntarily take on the suffering necessary to achieve what they want in life.
The point is that if a being is truly all powerful, all knowing, and all good, then they should be able to do *anything,* and that includes making a world without suffering while still having good (this is only in reply to the initial comment, but yt is weird with that sometimes)
@@ProfessorViral false, He cannot do what is impossible. Such as making a round circle or making free willed creatures who only choose good.
@@Chx_sDoesn't God decide what is and isn't possible though?
@@cptndunsel2670 good point. Yes but not exactly.
I think the best explanation is that God is inherently a logical being, as he is ultimately good and truthful I don’t think it would be possible to make paradoxes/contradictions. Did it make sense?
"why can't they make us perfect to begin with"
what if this world is how perfect beings are made?
People ask why God didn't just make us good/put us in paradise to begin with, but... He actually did. It's in like the first page of the Bible. It isn't God's fault we decided to fall, I never understood why Canute blamed Him for that
In Canute's mind, the Christian concept of love is to have goodwill towards everyone equally. Something that all humans once possessed but was taken away by god as punishment( Atleast according to Canute's understanding.) and yet, God still seems to expect us to aspire to this level of love even when we are not capable of it. In Canute's mind, this seems like an impossible task and that god is setting us up for failure. That is why he has rejected god.
I was raised Christian and am now an agnostic. The Christian concept of love has always been a bit perplexing. "Love your enemies" is a nice sentiment but not one that I can fully get behind. There are clearly evil people in the world who I do not think deserve our goodwill and who will take advantage of any goodwill that you show them.
The fight between Thors and Askellad early on in this series is a good example. Thors tries to be this honorable warrior by not killing anyone and showing Askellad mercy. Askellad repays him by violating the terms of their agreement and having his men turn Thors into a pin cushion. Did Askellad and his men even deserve mercy in the first place? A band of men that casually, kill, pillage, and take advantage of women? I would argue no.
@@cptndunsel2670 The idea that God still expects us to be perfectly loving/sinless as some kind of test is another weird view of Canute's. Christianity is the only religion that says we don't have to do that (because we can't), so Jesus did it for us.
(Canute's speech lamenting God staying in Heaven and not doing anything to help his people, all the while staring at a crucifix, also came off as a little odd).
As for loving your enemies, yeah good point, that is a really complex topic. It's important to not conflate the concepts of Love and Pacifism though. Pure unrestrained goodwill isn't necessarily the only way to go (after all, Christianity has had a lot of Warrior Saints).
God taking away our ability of true agape love as a punishment is a strange way of looking at it, I always viewed it as a natural consequence of humans cutting themselves off from the source of love via sin.
If we were living in a perfect world we wouldn't need god..and not being able to choose evil is the opposite of freedom.
@@afrosamourai400 oh, but you can indeed choose evil it will come with consecuences of course but you are free to choose evil if you desire to do so, the problem is people want to separate their acts from the consecuences and thats why they think they are not free to do evil, because they want the benefits of selfish evil without the acording punishment that comes with it
It is much more his fault than mine. Being omniscient he already knew exactly what would happen.
Dude really wants to sound enlightened while doing overly long plot re tellings. Cooorny
This one wasn't my best work, as it was written at a terrible time for me. However, to make videos enjoyable for a wider audience, I have to explain more of the plots than I like to, and I'm trying to find the right balance of explaining details and adding value. This one wasn't the best, but I have a library full of work that speaks to me doing much more than what you said.