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It sucks that they had to take away the PC communications with string on batteries. Only one at a time with the cable. Pissed
Just an FYI, the on/off switch energizes the bms and readout, the breakers energize tge battery outputs,. So you can turn on all your batteries with on/off switch and read each battery. Batteries output is not active until you turn on breaker.
Thanks, I understand that. I didn't speak clearly about it.
I want to add a little more comment to your reply. The built-in pre-charge resistor is switched in when the BMS switch is turned-on, so you want to close the circuit breaker first and then turn on the BMS in order for the pre-charge resistor to do its job. The display shows the battery voltage, of course. One can measure the battery voltage at the terminals by using a multimeter after closing the circuit breaker.
@@CountryLivingExperience Opening all the breakers to the load before powering the battery basically saves wear and tear on the pre-charge components in a nutshell, they only have to function one time if you have a clear path to the load. They will still function, just each breaker forces it to function causing wear.
Thanks. Just today I received my 6-slot rack! So this will be helpful.
You're welcome. Glad we could help.
I just picked mine up from the shippers today , i cannot wait to hook it up .
Awesome!
thanks for the description of the assembly of the battery rack. I just finished assembling it and maybe I was lucky but this one everything lined up quite well
You're welcome. Glad you got it together easily.
Good stuff man! Its finally all coming together! I've been looking forward to this video.
Thank you. Yes, I am very excited for this !
I ordered six of these and am in the process of installing them now.
Very cool
Thanks I've been looking at these batteries I haven't heard any thing negative about them and Will's breakdown was a valuable look at the inside of the quality of the build.
You're welcome. We are very excited to have them.
@@CountryLivingExperience
I bet 10 plus years is a fantastic warranty.
Longer if you are planning on only discharging 80% of discharge I'm sold.
@@briandavis9975 Mine will always be topped off. If I am in a long no sun situation, I have that 48v charger with a small generator.
Congratz from Brazil. Awesome content!
obrigado
Great job l love your setup
Thank you
Thanks for sharing your experience with setting up your solar system. I am a licensed electrician from Missouri and wanted to add a comment on why you want a separate ground for your inverters.
First of all, the purpose of grounding and bonding is to provide a path for stray current to get back to its source. Nothing flows on the grounding system unless there is a voltage leak or a short to the metal components of the electrical system (i.e. the panel housing, or battery rack)
So, for every separate source of electrical generation needs to have a ground path back to that source. If you connected the grounds together with the utility power grounding system and a short occurs, it would be possible for that “stray” current to flow through equipment that isn’t part of that system.
For example, let’s say a short occurred in the air conditioning unit that is powered by the utility power, but by chance the ground rod for the solar power system is closer than the ground rod at the utility meter, that current would possibly flow through the inverter and all the solar equipment.
By keeping your grounding systems separate, you eliminate that potential problem.
Whole house and portable generators should be grounded to their own rod and set up to completely separate the utility power from the system before they connect to the system because they are a separate source as well.
Simple answer: Keep each power generation separate from the others, completely!
That may be clear as mud…lol
That is actually a very clear explanation and I appreciate it. You are way nicer than almost every other person who has commented saying they are an electrician. Most of them just call me stupid and use profanity. So, I thank you for helping explain things.
You’re welcome! Electricity is dangerous, that’s why Thomas Edison refused to work with it, and that concern for the public wellbeing has over the years grown to an inflated arrogance within the trade.
My opinion, based on what I’ve seen developing in my career is the numbers of trained electricians are dwindling and the demand for electrical services are increasing. The cost of electrical)and other trades) is increasing because there is so much work.
Because of this, individuals like yourself are going to work on their own stuff. If I can help someone gain some competency to keep themselves and their property safe, then I’ve performed a good deed. I’m not hurting anyone financially.
I built my house from the foundation. The only trade that entered my house was the drywallers, and they were my in-laws. I value the pride in doing the work and seeing and living in the results. It all boils down to keeping people safe, and sharing knowledge is the cool thing about the age we live in today.
Keep up the good work! I hope the solar system is doing good for you.
The trades definitely have a shortage. I am an Architect and see so many skilled trade shortages affecting the building process.
I wired the room with the solar equipment. My first time ever wiring anything. Put in lights with a 3-way switch and ran some outlets with gfci. My friend who is an electrician helped by wiring the circuits to the main panel and putting in the new breaker for the solar. He gave me a grade of B for my wiring work. I just flipped one wire on an outlet that tripped the gfci.
Thanks again for your helping/teaching attitude.
I see a problem with your separate ground suggestion and it has to do with lightning. If a lightning strike hit the utility pole and you have two electrical systems combined by means of sharing a neutral but the ground is not common on the entire system then a huge voltage transient could destroy the inverter and all the stuff connected up to the inverter.
There is also the possibility of the inverter transformer is the European style in which neutral is really a phase lag and it’s bonded to chassis ground.
If so it Should be unbonded by taking apart the inverter and removing the bonding screw .
I have seen lightning destroy so many things. Proper grounding is essential for the protection of the equipment. Neutral should only be bonded to ground in one location and one location only and that is in the principal disconnect.
Good luck and happy inverting
Note: The NEC requires only that solar generation (solar panels) be functionally grounded, which means grounding to the grounding bar of a main electrical service panelboard. That is enough. Going to a grounding rod will also meet the requirement.
Nice video, thanks!
You're welcome
Thanks 👍 my 1st eg4 battery and 3k inverter came yesterday 😀
That’s awesome. You’re welcome
Excellent job
Thank you! Cheers!
I bought the rack. Makes for a great serviceable setup. Keeps wiring neat and accessible.
It does. I am glad I purchased it. Just wish with quality was a bit better.
I'm glad you got a definitive answer for grounding the inverters.
Sorry if I missed this in your other videos, but are you driving a separate ground rod out to ground the panel arrays too? Grounding the array made sense to me since that's the most likely point of impact, but I don't yet know the science behind routing lightning strikes to ground without cooking components.
I'm glad I got that answer on the inverters for sure. As for the panels, there are two reasons why I don't need to ground them. 1. They are on a giant steel rack which is a massive grounding rod. and 2. the panels themselves are isolated. They are glass and polymer panels so the wires don't come in contact with the aluminum frame or steel rack. The lightning will travel the path of least resistance which is the aluminum frame to the steel rack. It would have an extremely low probability of traveling on the wire all 130ft into my house where the equipment is. So, no worries.
@@CountryLivingExperience That is my thinking with grounding my arrays on their own as well, I do have a fuse on every line before hitting my breakers as insurance for the wire/equipment, just a cheapo inline fuse.
Nice setup
Thank you
Great job! What an education. Happy New Year brother.
Much appreciated! Happy New Year!
@@CountryLivingExperience WOW! What a 4th quarter
Heck yea! Go Green! Now get that Blue machine rolling in the playoffs.
@@CountryLivingExperience did you grow up in MI? Sorry if we covered this already.
@@commonsgiant I did. In Romeo.
I ended up stopping by signature solar today and picked up my rack. I was told I would be able to connect One battery at a time to the inverter in order to charge them initially. I will connect One battery to the busbar then I will remove the wires and work my way up to the top until all six are the same charge. Probably will be easier with the charger but they were out of stock and it was like 200 and something dollars
Nice. Feels good to get started.
The Sig Solar EG4 batteries are so good and such good value.... Too bad they're not available in Australia. 😪
Bummer you cannot get them in Australia. Hopefully you can find something comparable.
Thanks for the very informative video. I have an 10Kw Solaredge system with the SE7600H-US and Q-Cell Q Peak Duo 395 with 26 panels. I am researching for a Lithium Ferro Phosphate 10Kwh Battery and found what appears to be a good match with a Fortress Power LFP-10. I see you are grouping batteries in parallel. Is this a better battery system to do this configuration as opposed to one single battery?
I was originally looking at the Fortress Power as well. In my opinion, these are a better choice for a few reasons. They are expandable. If you are budget limited, you can buy as you need and continue to parallel them. Similarly, the price per Watt Hour is unmatchd for the quality of these batteries. Additionally, multiple batteries give a greater sense of security if something happens to fail in one like the bms. If you only have one battery and it's bms fails, then you have a big issue. Hope that helps.
I am ordering those batteries, but I am buying the rack pre-assembled for my sanity.
Good idea
Great video! Do you know the pin-out for the USB Dongle that's used for talking to the battery with the computer? I'm trying to roll my own.
Sorry, I am not sure. I don't have the dongle.
I was an IT pro (network engineer & CTO) for over 25 years with meet-me rooms all over the country. Since those bats have coms you should only need ONE more expensive bat with the display, because it should give the same info for every bat connected--assuming they're made right, but they are cheaper.
I cannot find an option on a single battery screen to cycle through and give me info on the other batteries.
@@CountryLivingExperience It may only display alarm conditions on the others. If there's Bluetooth, it may be app only. I've never used that company, but I'd call them and ask them what the coms cable is for then, because it seems pretty useless to me at this point.
I can connect a laptop via the other comms port and obtain battery data on the entire bank. I don't run pc's in my house...only Macs. The lcd readout is for a quick check on battery health without connecting a computer.
@@CountryLivingExperience I don't have access to all of the info on their web site because I don't own one. They need to fix their TOC for the online manual for one... but as far as I can see you have to use the software to take advantage of the daisy-chained coms ports. I don't know if every bat has to have the screen, but I doubt it. Without the software there's no reason for it as far as I can see. You should ask them, because it's a waste of money to get more than the one upgraded bat otherwise.
@@CountryLivingExperience also, make sure you assign them a proper ID according to their table so there isn't a contention issue.
Yes sistema akb🔋 ⚡🔌💡👍
Are you then grounding the sub panel at the same ground rod as the inverter or grounding it to the main panel that provides the 240V for using grid power there by using this ground for circuit grounds?
Sub panel is grounded to the main panel.
Do you have a wiring diagram of the system showing the grounding of the inverters/batteries/transformer/breaker box(sub-panel)? From the video my understanding is the inverters and batteries are grounded together to their own a dedicated ground rod. The transformer and breaker box(sub-panel) are grounded to the Main house load center. Correct?
Echo -
No diagram. I wouldn't know how to do that and SS does not offer anything like that. Your understanding is correct. That is what John from SS told me to do.
What are your thoughts about putting a breaker between the batteries and the inverter? Some have recommended it.
Redundant breakers are always a good idea.
these also fit a standard 19" server rack, which can be had used on ebay or craigslist for little.
nice video though
Good to know. Thanks.
I can't find the L shaped supports though that go from font to back. I have a hell of a 42u rack I got at auction and once I get money I may be setting up some of these on it.
@@Birdman3131 I’m going to try these: NavePoint Adjustable Rack Mount Server Shelf Rails 1U Full Depth
Hi do you really believe we can power a home mini split heat and cooling system with these batteries and adequate solar input? Sure hope so. Luv and appreciate what you are doing
Yes, absolutely. I am going to be installing one soon and will make a video on it. I will have a total of 3 in the home when I am done.
Did you try to place the mystery bolt bracket on the back instead of the top or bottom? I used 7 foot racks, but that may be to hold it against a wall , because it'll be a bad day if it falls over on your leg.
I didn't try those two positions. That is a good idea. I have been talking with Sig Solar about offering a better rack. Although this one is very stable as is for my application.
@@CountryLivingExperience put a bat at the top and it's top-heavy. bump into it and who knows what could happen. you should be ok because you're lowering the center of gravity with multiple bats, but just one at the top would concern me without bolting it to something substantial. but good to hear.
Great video, may I ask what gauge wire ur using from battery to inverter?
Thank you. For this setup with these inverters, I have 2 awg. For my new inverters the amperage is higher and I have larger 4/0 awg.
You mentioned us being able to purchase merch from you. I am specifically looking for one of your shirts. I don't know what else you have so not sure what else. Please let me know how to find it.
Thank you. Just scroll below the video and look in the description. All of our links are there. If you are on mobile, you need to click the little down arrow next to the title.
I wonder if it's okay to soilder the lug on there
I am hocking my 6 batteries (same as yours) to a Trace 5548 inverter, with 2 classic 150 midnight charge controllers. Is there a way to connect the battery communication directly to the charge controllers which do have an ethernet connection (as the Trace does not). If so, which batter connection, CAN, RS485, or Battery-Comm?
I do know that CAN has some glitches. On the battery itself, I believe the Batt-Comm is only for comms between multiple batteries. So the RS485 is the correct port. Signature Solar can better answer that question for you. I am not sure how the EG4 batteries specifically communicate with other brands of inverters.
your hat gives your location away since I live in the same state. I also cheer for them.
I grew up in MI and went to MSU. Go Green! I live in Texas now.
Could you just use 1 of the pro batteries and 5 of the standard ones? Will the pro model allow you to read the other 5 standard batteries since they connect with the data cables anyways?
As far as I know, the pro model will not allow you to read the other non-pro batteries. The only way to get full info on each battery is to hook up a laptop to the inverter and read them through there.
Question regarding the 'grounding' aspect of this. If one were to build an off-grid battery rack with Inverter and they only connect it to the house via generator inlet connection for backup emergency power, like what Will Prowse showed recently in one of his videos where an MPP inverter is mounted on top, does the rack need to be grounded still? None of those 'consumer' solutions have anything special about grounding (ecoflow, bluetti, anker etc.), so I assume that 'ground' happens naturally when the connection from the 'unit (DIY or consumer style) is connected to the inlet to the house panel. Appreciate any feedback.
I appreciate the question. Grounding is a complicated and often argued about subject that some electricians don't even fully agree upon. That is probably why most videos and solar companies will not touch the subject.
I have tried my best to glean information from a friend who is an electrician, the solar supply company, Mike Holt (probably the best source for electrical information), and other CZcams channels covering solar. I am not an expert by any means on the subject and just did what I thought was the safest based upon the info I had.
As for your question, I believe that it would act as a generator ground and utilize the house ground system once connected via the inlet plug.
So the roughly $200 premium compared to the other EG4 batteries, I'm trying to wrap my head around this. So apart from the initial installation do you actually find yourself utilizing the LCD screen much during normal operation? It seems more like a novelty.
Not just the screen. It has the ability for the bms to communicate directly with the inverters. The regular Lifepower does not.
Do the batteries generate much heat??? Sorry if it's already been asked but maybe that's why there's no top or door on the cabinet, just in case you do try and fabricate some
They do generate some heat so they need ventilation but not a huge amount. If I do make a door or top it will be out of a screened material.
hey I got the 5k Growatt invertor to (48v) how many solar panels do I need and size ? thanks....
I have no idea. You need to figure out a ton of information to answer a question like that. You need to know your loads first before you buy anything.
What is the length of the shelf (angled metal inside the server rack)?
14". The battery overhangs by 1" in the front and 4" in the rear.
After looking at all the issues you mentioned it looks like it better to get it pre-built lol jk great video
And don't forget to put a heater or an air conditioner and some other states up north where it gets 93 degrees in Wisconsin or 22 below zero in Wisconsin or like before 43 below zero you might need a heater and a shed as well as an air conditioner and the batteries don't like the cold or extreme heat as well but I don't know maybe they're inverter will heat itself but I doubt it not when it gets that cold when it gets that had it probably cool itself though.
I did not know you could use the 12 volt batteries for the 48 volt growatt unless you out them in series. So you have to use larger wire now? So you have to modify the charger settings so your not putting to much voltage into them while charging?
I went with 48 volt so I'm still waiting on my batteries...
My batteries are 48v.
@@CountryLivingExperience oh good my bad,. On my small screen it looked like they said 12 volt... Anyways I'm glad you said they had more in stock. When I called a couple weeks ago they said they were out and that I was looking toward the end of January middle of February to get mine... Guess it's time to call them again.
No problem. Yea, I would call them quickly. They could be out again but if you made a pre-order, they should have yours waiting for you (or to ship to you).
Just finished assembly of the rack. It is a mess. I was able to screw in the black screws with a battery powered hammer drill, I think the threads are mismatched. I found a woodworkers clamp that can open to 24 inches handy to help align things.
The wheels are nice and worth $20!
They send a different set of bottom plates that has the correct hole alignment for the wheels but the screws are too small. I'll try bigger washers but will likely need 16 new bolts and washers.
Over all it is beefy but clearly not a top shelf item. If you are welder...have at it and make it yield to your will!!
I wish mine came with wheels.
I’m gonna do it…
I noticed that there are grounding screws on each battery- do you hook each battery to ground?
I don't think it is necessary since it sits in the metal cabinet. I have the cabinet grounded.
I would like to see the output of that battery charger
I'll show it in a future vid.
Is this a standard server rack? Buy one elsewhere.
Would u know what setting the battery type is on the eg4 6500 inverter for the eg4ll battery?
Yes. Set to EG4 on master inverter and USE on all subsequent inverters. However, if you want to program #29 for low voltage cut off, you need to set both to USE.
@@CountryLivingExperience excellent, ty sir
You said they do not recommend grounding to a outside grounding Rod ?
They recommend equipment grounding conductor (egc) back to the main panel and main grounding rod for your home.
Did you find a caster that worked with this rack?
I have not found any yet.
Id love to have a bunch of those type batteries but they cost alot even if they are the best value. I have built my last couple batteries first i did a powerwall with leaf modules and now im building a good size lifepo4 battery with 280 grade a eve cells. I like the plug in rack stuff like you have but for the same price i got alot more amp hpurs and much bigger bms. The rack looks good tho and seems to be much easier and probably more safe
The batteries are the most expensive part of any solar system for sure. Glad you know how to build your own. It probably saves you a lot of money.
@@CountryLivingExperience yeah I love the battery stuff and all solar and stuff that goes with it. It's become a hobby that my wife says I'm addicted to. I'm an over the road truck driver and only home a few days a month so I order new stuff each week then going home is like a bunch of solar Christmas presents that I get to assemble and play with for a short time then back on the road. Thanks for doing all the videos
@@matthewknight5641 Awesome
Hey there, or anyone who has bought these EG4 batteries, have you heard of EG4 not supplying circuit breakers on these batteries? I ordered the 24V EG4 with the screen and it did not come with the advertised circuit breaker. Do you see this as problem? I've talked with Signature Solar, my supplier, and it seems like the missing circuit breakers were a manufacturing error. Any help would be much appreciated. Signature Solar says they'd refund me some money and that the missing circuit breaker is not an issue, but I'm skeptical and it doesn't seem right that they sent something different than what's advertised. I'd prefer to have the safety of a simple circuit breaker built into the battery. Thanks for your time and reviews.
I didn't have that problem with my batteries. They are in perfect condition. If yours were shipped without them, it sounds like Sig Solar will give you a partial refund. Use the refund to buy external circuit breakers for your battery cables.
Question on grounding the batteries: I understand that the ground goes out to a grounding rod(earth ground), but what did you use from battery to battery? I was thinking a small "jumper" from battery lug to next, having two wires on every other with the final being the wire that goes out to the ground rod? Appreciate you videos.
You can do that but my batteries are in a metal rack and all bonded that way. I didn’t put a jumper between them.
this is a result of the mounting of the battery into the rack, correct? Then just ground the rack to the rod?
@@CountryLivingExperience
Thanks by the way
Correct
Mine came already assembled and welded together...
Yep. They sell both options.
13:52 would it be possible to use the 2x terminals on the unit itself to parallel instead of connecting it to the bus bars?
Yes, you could if you like. There are options which is nice.
@@CountryLivingExperience What copper wire size did you use to run from bus bar to inverter? Thanks!
2 AWG
Do the battery cables need to be of equal length?
Ideally yes.
Would this work in a camper van?
Unfortunately no. You would need different components for that. I think vans need to be 12 volt. Call Signature Solar and they can help you out.
You keep referring to the manual ? My batteries didn't come with one, nor can I find one on their web site.
It is on their website. 19 page pdf
Can you just use the Growatt inverter to balance charge the EG4 instead of buying the extra charger just for the balancing purposes?
The extra charger is for emergencies and is to be utilized with a small 2000w generator to charge the batteries. You cannot use the Growatt if there is no PV available.
@@CountryLivingExperience Thanks for the info. Kinda weird that the Growatt cannot charge the battery without connected PV although there is mode to charge the battery from AC if there is no PV production. Also you can feed your 2000w generator to the AC input. The AC input even says grid or generator.
Can you not run the generator in the ac input side of the inverter to power it on then use the inverters charger to charge batts?
I have the identical batteries. Where did you get the BMS manual? Do you have a link to download it?
Cool. They have it available for download on the Signature Solar website. www.signaturesolar.com/?ref=countrylivingexperience drive.google.com/file/d/1d7VK7TmmvAMU38DY_UyAyyeAKLeW6uX0/view
@@CountryLivingExperience Found it !!! One question that was not answered in the manual. At the bottom of each display (I have 6 batteries) just below the double-dashed line seems to be a date and time. One of my batteries says 2041--03-20 4:21 What does this mean? And does the display give any battery discharge cycle count?
That is just the date and time. Mine are all set differently. I have not been able to find the discharge cycle count yet.
@@CountryLivingExperience What size cables do you run from the batteries to the inverters? I have 6 of them (like you do) and have 2 Trace 5548 to fun as a master/slave to deliver 220 to my electrical panel.
It really depends on your inverter specs too. The Growatt/Eg4 combo requires 2awg battery cable. That is what I have.
you would need some serious industrial castors to handle the weight of that rack fully populated. and even then, moving it would be dangerous.
I understand.
I know this video is dated, Q - do you think these EG4LL batteries will hold up to being mounted in a camper van or an RV?
Hello. They would be great for an RV/camper. They are very durable and can be mounted in several directions.
What kind of permitting is required for a DIY install?
None where I live. I am out in the countryside. Every area is different.
Same here. I'm out of city limits my system has no inspection or permits thank goodness
I have the same EG4LL batteries and three of ES5000’s. I really need to know what was your choice on batteries cable. It is not listed here. I am perplexed between 2 AWG & 2/0. Any recommendations, as i couldn’t find it in your descriptions. Thank you.
Maranatha
For this system I used 2 AWG(guage). It was sufficient for the amperage. If you have 3 ES5000's, I may move up in battery cable size. Smallest to largest would be 2awg, 1awg, 1/0, 2/0, etc. I have 2/0 and 4/0 (huge) on my new system because the amperage is much higher.
@@CountryLivingExperience thanks. One more question, what about the cable size? Would it still be able to fit? I know I have to get the crimping wrench. But will the size (diameter) pose a problem? I caught a great deal on 2/0 @ $5/ft. Thanks
@@CountryLivingExperience I am looking at 200 amps.
You're welcome.
Fit where exactly?
I did a battery cable assembly demonstration in this video.....czcams.com/video/-5w6b_2LxtQ/video.html at minute mark 8:58
They have them right now as well... Hey do you know how to change the real time clock on these batteries?
It looks like the bms software has a place to change it under parameters but you need a password... any ideas?
it set itself after being connected to the pc for a few minutes so there ya go :) lol love the vids, you were my inspiration to finally pull the trigger on going solar.
Awesome. I appreciate the kind words.
Glad you got the clock worked out.
Hi guys! I just recieved my EG4-LL batteries today! Checked them over for damage but am wondering if the LCD screens time out & go dark?
@@jjonesindustries Yes, the screens time out after about 30 seconds.
@@CountryLivingExperience thank you!
You need to look around when buying batteries. The EG4 LL's are about $340 per KW. There are others which are just as nice for $140 per KW.
EG4 are the best quality for the price.
what is then dome for neutral bonding at the inverter?
Please rephrase your Question. I don’t understand what you mean.
@@CountryLivingExperience This may be question for signature solar or an master electrician. Grounding can be tricky.
I am unclear as to how the grounds are separated when on utility power versus inverter power. If the grounds on the inverter are run to the ground stake, I am not sure how they are sepperated for the below scenario.
when using utility, through the Growatt inverter, the neutral needs to be bonded at the main panel only.
When using solar or battery power, the neutral needs to be bonded at the inverter or sub panel when using the midpoint transformer. I checked for continuity of the ground terminal on the inverter for incoming and outgoing power and they are connected.
Thank you for any advice you can provide and your channel makes thing easy for most normal DIY installs.
You're welcome. I am unclear on how the grounding works as well. I asked one of the owners at SS last week about this subject. I relayed the info to y'all through the video. It may be best to call SS or an electrician for a definitive answer. Benjamin Sahlstrom also did a similar video on the topic here: czcams.com/video/5iEuaAYs5x4/video.html. He is an electrician. Hope that helps.
What is your opinion of Powerwall from Tesla compared with these batteries? Thanks
I have heard good things about them and have a friend in Puerto Rico who has one. They are expensive however. The value of the EG4 battery is currently unmatched. The EG4LL that I have is $0.34 per wh.
@@CountryLivingExperience Not exactly true. The Seplos Mason kits are 6.9KW and .22 cents per Wh.
The title and thumbnail are phrased as questions. Value is more than just the monetary cost. I have never heard of Seplos Mason anything so they may or may not offer quality like the Eg4 and Growatts and therefore be of lower value.
Great video. What’s the total cost?
Thank you. My total system cost was $15k
Do thay ship to Canada
Sorry, I am not sure. You will have to call Signature Solar.
Hey buddy. Any updates or changes since you made these videos?
Yes. I have added to the system and have different inverters. I have a whole playlist on the new builds I am doing here: czcams.com/play/PLe8gvCbPFkexFmUtg3xRS4sTZQ1Ve-ft1.html. I also am putting in a Victron system for our barn. I did an initial introductory video on that system. The build videos will be coming soon.
FYI, my battery displays show half a volt difference (in battery voltages) after each was individually charged by using the charger and 100% SOC.
I found casters for this cart that fit the hole pattern. Let me know if that interests you.
Thank you for the offer. I actually bought some from Signature Solar recently.
I have 4 200ah Lithium battery's Can anyone show me a diagram to series them to24v? Thank you James
Support at Signature Solar has not been good for me. They have yet to resolve any issue for me after 3 weeks. Very slow response times from them.
I am very surprised. I was actually on the phone with Matt yesterday and they helped solve my issue (inverter programming) with no problem. Every problem is different. Maybe yours is very complicated.
My experience too. They have terrible customer service.
I would have soldered the battery cable lugs
What is the standard method for connecting the charger?
It's terminals only split a few inches, therefore they can't even reach their own company's battery terminals.
I had to trim the insulation on the cord for mine to reach.
@@CountryLivingExperience
Ok, thank you very much for telling me that.
I didn't want to overlook another solution.
@@dialecticalmonist3405 You're welcome
Hey not entirely relevant but research the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act. Just though that would be interesting for you...
Thanks
Not precisely made is an understatement.. LOL I put mine together last night and it was a b**ch
Luckily once it is together it is rock solid
So what was the total cost?
Total cost of the system? We did a video on cost here: czcams.com/video/vng-CACPow0/video.html Batteries are $1750 each.
You need an electrician to redo your wiring, so your insurance will cover you if something goes wrong. An example would be your AC needs to be in conduit.
You didn’t listen to what I said about putting it in conduit later.
I think US voltage should be set to 240 not 230 also frequency should be set to 60 hertz not 50 just an fyi.
Ok. So what would you like me to do about that?
@@CountryLivingExperience anything between 220 v and 240 v is good to go. the higher the voltage, the longer distance runs you can have without the negative effects of too low of voltage drop. the higher voltage 240 will run equipment just a little cooler. If you can't change it, then everything will be just fine. no worries.
@@Sparkeee1978 That makes sense and I appreciate the explanation. The original commenter did not make any sense to me hence my response to him. There is no way for me to change someone else's equipment. There aren't any settings or switches for that as far as I know.
@@CountryLivingExperience I believe that inverter is set on the European standard if it is reading 230v the big problem would be the frequency at 50hz I'm pretty sure you can go into settings and change it to the US standard of 240V and 60hz. Signature solar had a video on the settings for the inverter. You said the inverter was putting out 230v in the video. The 50hz frequency is the main problem all the electronics in the US are designed for 60hz.
Thank you for the clearer explanation Frederick. I will look into those settings.
Them pay you good for say go buy fast ???
What is price for this ??
Mmmmm..... Ground rod... Check out Mike Holt's channel. Lots of get togethers with peeps in the industry about code.a grip on ground rods.
Cool
80% discharge is not "top to bottom discharge"
there is no power in the bottom or top 10%, but not going there does provide an additinal 1000 cycles
lifepo4 has an extreme flat charge and discharge curve, unlike lead-anything
I understand that. You misunderstood. Top to bottom discharge would give you usage beyond the 15 years I mentioned.
I actually best fit it with an eg4 inverter which cost less than a grow Watt and it certified with electric company and every state in the United States of America of the 48 states maybe except for Alaska and Hawaii which I think they're actually certified for those too so you can hook it up the grid to sell electricity to the electric company but you do have to get a building permit and electrical permit to actually get that happen and they have to actually inspect it to pass it a second time and it will pass with those batteries and the eg4 they are certified for that and those are the only really two things that will connect together perfectly the grow what unless things are solar program to grow Watts for those batteries you would actually have to program those batteries for that grow lot or you can't just plug and play you would have problems and they might have done that for you and they might have done that with an update once you turn it on or before you even turned it on cuz they don't do the grow Watts they may sell them they do the EG4 inverters that's what belongs to signature solar and the EG4 batteries and both types of their EG4 batteries I certified by my understanding by the electric company and every state of the United States of America maybe only the 48 states and the hardest state of all it was certified for was California even accept them and that's what you should be thinking about getting is there actual inverters that are 6500 that cost $1,299 where the batteries cost in 200 or $300 more which you already have. With that you wouldn't know that other little box because with two of the inverters of signature sellers would come a 120 and a 240 volt without any extra thing cuz it's already built into them. And there are also stackable. And besides your inverters can take the most wattage in from solar panels than any other inverter out there at least that's what I do believe of course solar Arc might do the same thing or the AMS inverters that's electric companies likes to put it in like their county trucks would have for the trailers but I have 10 solar panels on them with two 1920 lb battery sets of AGM massive batteries.
no its running them down to 20 percent for 15 years running them down to 0 will damage them severely unless they are prismatic technology cells.
That is what I meant. You misunderstood what I said.
If they only made server rack inverters...
That would be awesome
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Please God 🙏 don't use casters. There are no casters strong enough to handle this kind of load, it puts anyone around it at huge risk of harm. I enjoyed the rest of the video.
Ok
There are definitely casters that can handle the weight of those and he seems smart enough to know the dangers involved considering he has DIYed the majority of this system.
Uline sells 1500 lb casters
Edison batteries never die. Will your lithium batteries last?
I actually own an Edison Battery Flashlight! It still accepts a charge but the standby discharge is comical & why they fell out of favor
Doesn't that charger take 10 hours to charge a single battery? That would be 60 hours of charging before you could use it with a full rack. What am I thinking wrong?
No, it doesn't take that long. A few hours for each.
@@CountryLivingExperience I knew I wasn't seeing something, I got the 10 hour thing from another video, maybe it was really 10 hours for a whole or near whole rack total. thanks my friend!
I kind of wonder why signature solar I would like to talk to them about this if you have a number to get in touch with them or if they need a number just leave a me a message
Can this be scaled up? Say a 2500 square feet house with mini splits for AC only, a wood shop running a couple of high draw 240 volt machines (dust collector plus 3 hp table saw), and a 3000-400 square feet office/studio? All buildings would be straw bale and highly insulated in the roofs/attics. All would have ground source floor heat coupled with high efficiency wood stoves. All outbuildings would have mini splits for AC only. Equipment, air con, and facilities would not all be used at the same time.
I realize this is like asking “how long is a piece of string.” But would it be doable given a very healthy budget?
Absolutely scalable. You can parallel 6 of these inverters together and 18 of the batteries. You will have to do the load calcs for all the equipment but it shouldn't be an issue at all.
@@CountryLivingExperience
Thanks for the quick response. My solar knowledge is dated...my parent's house does run on solar with a diesel genset but other than the inverter (was Trace, now Outback due to a replacement), everything was installed 20 years years ago with the help of a couple of electrician family friends. That was more of a "have-to" situation as it was going to run them $100k at the time to have power lines ran to them.
But things have really gotten advanced since then and I admit that I'm completely lost. Lol.
I run a small portfolio of fairly successful home and garden websites and am wanting to take them to the next level with a whole lot of CZcams and some level of local help (my team is all over the states and globe). Thus the need for the studio space (think a pole barn wrapped in straw bale...with a mini Linus Media Group setup inside).
Anyhow, great channel, and thanks for the quick reply!
No problem. Check out our playlist on our solar system. It should help with additional knowledge for setting yours up. Also check our Will Prowse and David Poz. Those two guys are great.
Thanks! Will do.
You're handsome, but focus on the gear pls ;)
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