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Who's buying right now? And what cards are you buying?? đ đ„
I only buy vintage (50s-60s) baseball.
Raw vintage baseball pre 1980 raw. Basketball, football, and hockey pre 1990 raw.
The issue is that Probstein only charges 5% if it sells for $1000 or more, you save money if it does well; but they won't do BIN or auctions starting at the lowest you'd accept (what I do if I list it myself.) I list rare items BIN like Milton Bradley and OPC Nolan Ryan RC's w/both autos as BIN, while an OPC sold well on Probstein last fall; they won't say "topps O-Pee-Chee" in the listing (ie to get searches for people that don't know OPC to my knowledge, won't explain rarity and despite their listings getting more eyeballs there's a risk of it selling poorly. Basically, there's 1-4 people fighting it out for a great card that would pay 50% over comps if it's actually rare; but if it's only 1 then it's going to be much lower than comps. I know, I snipe with the best of them (92 dual signed Nolan Ryan RC's later, most sold; PC and a small inventory left.)
Jordan, Jordan, and more Jordan....All day, everyday!
Murderers or Dead players, Bo Jackson, Deion Sanders, Griffey, Rodman, and yes Jordan
You said the number one thing to have is patience. Seems to me the number one thing to have in this hobby is money.
đ yeah money is key, however, small money can turn into big money with patience đđ»
1. Disposable income 2. Patience 3. Patience 4. Patience
Thats right. Also try not to buy when that person is on fire as well. I buy baseball in the off season.
Maybe go to a sport that only has one company producing cards?, maybe buy into a sport that is constantly growing and not remaining stagnant or getting involved in politics⊠a sport that covid couldnât stop⊠show some love to hockey! Not meant for flipping, itâs meant for selling years down the road.
â@@Hockeistguyalive i used to collect a lot of hockey! Bought a lot of boxes of 05-06 upper deck series 2 looking for Ovi! Series 1 was too expensive because of crosby. I pulled 1 Ovi and bought 1. Also bought a crosby 9.5 way back. Sold all 3 of them years ago, for a profit, but I wish I didn't!
We canât rule out money laundering on some of these. These are massive losses. These guys have tons of money and can easily be trying to launder/show losses
These massive losses are a great tax write-off... just bummed I missed out on picking them up! đ
The Ben Simmons sale was a win for the seller. That thing is going to be in the dollar box in 5 years
Hahaha, for real, I couldn't believe he got $870 for it!
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I buy mostly hockey cards and I can flip them in a week or first auction cycle making between 50-500% profit.... But at the same time I've been doing this for 35 years so I know what to look for. I look for card lots and occasionally you can find some really nice cards mixed in with the "junk" and on occasion you can find a "home run mega lot" that's just loaded, but was poorly listed or poorly advertised.. I mean it's time consuming but if you know what you're doing it can be quite lucrative... Obviously that plan doesn't work with ultra-modern, but I have made good money doing it with vintage and modern cards... Of course ultra-modern cards are super risky and a totally different universe.. And again, like I said - I've been doing this for 35 years, so I know what I'm looking for and I have the experience to be successful flipping cards.. It takes a ton of time, a ton of experience, lots of knowledge and some luck to make enough money to make it worth it - but hey, I have the tools, I love the hobby so why not make a few bucks doing what I enjoy?
Same here.. thought I started about 3 years ago.. tage Thompson was a good one.. I loaded up on his stuff before it went through the roof.. I got bunch of his ygs, SPA and the cup for peanuts..
I'm with you , been a collector for many years , an investor in recent , and this year I've started selling , this keeps me in the hobby ..
I like these videos because as much as they hurt, they yell the truth. I too lost a couple thousand dollars for impulse buying during the boom. I did not sell them at a loss, I still own them..... just devalued. I only collect who I love so I only own cards that I want. But yeah, it hurts. Thanks for the vid!
Cards prices are coming back down to real world prices. The big BOOM!!! Era is over for at least a while. Flippers are getting hit hard. Buy the cards you love not to invest in the short run.
It think it can be both, and not one-or-the-other but to your point there does have to at least be some level of collecting what you love because that's what makes it a hobby.
I did not catch if you mentioned it in the intro but the loss to the owner is actually worse because the price you were quoting includes the buyer's premium in the new sale.
I love the hobby and cards, but damn, it was about time that those ridiculous prices went down it's crazy, $330K for a 2008 Kobe refractor... Why?
Thank you
Itâs this simple - you donât own any value until you sell it and have cash in hand. What itâs worth-? Who saw Ja Morant incident? You canât have a card value go up unless someone pays more for it. That means it sold. I am looking forward to selling everything soon. Just time to move them along
I recently sold so much and got stuff u really wanted and have so much less now I had probably 10,000 cards now I have less then 1000 for sure
@@jagsfan6988 and how good does it feel finally grinding and clearing it out? feels good having a smaller collection with nice/great quality in my opinion.
I buy only with disposable income. That way I never feel the need to sell. If it hits it hits, if not oh well. Nothing really lost
Excellent strategy, this will save you from a lot of stress and anxiety. đ
@PSACOLLECTOR I jumped back into the hobby when Aaron judge was a rookie. I do not do it to turn a profit, I do it because it is fun. That's what we all started for when we were young
This is why I mainly collect and not resell sports cards .
Graded high end modern is a game of hot potato đ„. The music WILL stop. This happened to me with graded video games.
Once the dollar crashes and the political world cries for digital track and trace currency.. the hobby WILL TANK .. Wall St money laundering
Thanks man! I don't feel as bad for my loses over the years. Like you said some of these cards could've just been play money for these high rollers.
I would say these cards were sold for 1 of 3 possible reasons. They needed money bad, tax write off, or maybe a bankruptcy liquidation sale.
My thoughts exactly. One guy said that they had to sell bc their wife found out how much they paid for them đ€Ł
Hopium
Given that I am a glass is half full kind of person, my biggest take on this is that no matter what, if the card is a good card, there will always be people willing to buy it and pay a hefty amount doing so. The fact that these cards lost value only means that a price correction was due. As a result, it means that the people who recently bought these cards at a significant price reduction believe that they will once again rise in value.
Prepared investors buy the dips đ§ đđ»
@@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR buying the dips is good, buying pandemic prices? Never going to see those prices again. If you bought high in pandemic your losing 50% the market was so high bc everyone was home and bored.
As Kenny Rogers always said âYou got to know when to holdâemâŠ. Know when to foldâemâŠ.. Know when to walk awayâŠ..Know when to runâ - Sound advice for todayâs card collector. I would RUN from all Ultra-Modern cards - Outside of Mahomes these guys have WON NOTHING! The vast majority of them will continue to WIN NOTHING!
Guy in the comments said it best, i love collecting but it can get super expensive. Im just a regular guy, i cant afford hobby boxes unless i save up and get one or two a year. Thanks for the video and the info. Shout out from Pittsburgh PA
Busting wax is gambling plain and simple. The odds of earning enough to recover your purchase price is bleak at best. I honestly just buy a very modest amount of retail at Target to scratch the itch, and then invest in singles I like. To each their own though!
LOOONG time collector here. The prices being paid for these cards IS INSANE. There is no way, given the supply, they will even hold a fraction of their value over the years. Compare this to the pre 1980 cards, (even the Fleer Jordan rookie) where there is one true rookie per set. Of the various rookies that come out today, including pre-rookie cards, how many of variants of each card are produced, even before getting into serial numbers? There is suppose to be rarity there. All I know is if I played in the is market, and I don't, I would be hitting the bid. FWIW, most of my collection is graded vintage, but I will take a shot on undiscovered modern rookies but if I lose, and I fully 100% expect to, it won't hurt.
Flame away.
This is a great video, a lot of people need to see the potential downsides of sports cards.
Due Diligence for sports cards:
1. Dont invest in a player until they win an MVP.
2. If you plan to hold long term, buying at the beginning of a player's career is usually a bad idea-even if you're right at the end, its too risky.
Wrong on both points cause the number 1 loss on the video is of lebron james who has already won multiple mvps at the time of purchase and is closer to the end of his career than at the beginning.
I always buy early because thats when the cards are generally at the lowest of prices. Waiting for that player to win MVP only will cost you more money. I bought heavy on Mahomes before he even started a game I also bought heavy early on Jalen Hurts, Luka & Trae Young. Currently stacking up on Justin Fields, Banchero etc... I do get your point on waiting it out however I'd rather buy in bulk on a nice chunk of players when they first hit the scene and I'll celebrate my wins and trim off my Ls as I go on.
@@rupertpupkin2660 totally agree, if a player has already won mvp, everyone will be on his jock straps.
Now is a good time to be buying and it might get even better depending on the economy. I would hold off buying any of today's players though because they are still expensive in my opinion. Before the 2020 boom I was buying players in the middle of their careers and for better price than these guys like Luka and Tatum in their 5th or 6th season.
Yes, sir! I like that strategy đ Luka and Trae are always on my radar đ
i wonder how modern cards of older players will do. Like a 2020 signed relic of reggie jackson or a 2022 auto of hank arron
Great topic Matt! Unfortunately this is going to happen every year but I think buyers read too much into hype and the now. It's amazing what people will pay for a player that hasn't even stepped foot on a court yet. I feel bad for laughing at some of these but what can you do, lol.
Ask stamp collectors that were dropping big bucks on their hobby back in the 80âs what most of their collection is worth now.
are stamps really comparable to cards? I dont see any autos or patches/ 1 of 1s and variants, did I mention sports?.....
Thereâs no rare or uncommon stamps in the stamp collecting or coin collecting hobbies both of whom were juggernauts 30 years ago and now are on life support.
Only Mac Jones purple border silver refractors with sparkly giraffe theme numbered to 25 will hold value going forward. đ€Ł
Why are you not factoring back in the auction fees they get rebated from the buyer?
I appreciate this video. I was a buyer of a card yesterday that I found i paid $130 over what it's worth lol..but it was a card i was chasing for a long time. These losses make me feel better
That Luka loss of 87K was like driving a new corvette off a cliff!
Oh damn, youâre spot on with this one đ I wonder what color he chose to sling into the air!
@@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR I just canât wrap my head around those high purchase prices!
Not to the buyer who picked it up at what seems like a reasonable price considering the caliber of the card!
7:10 Person should have waited until Wade was inducted into HOF to sell that card. There's currently no buzz surrounding Wade right now which always attributes to the value.
P.S Why has anyone even thought of buying in on Kemba Walker? Guy hasn't really been relevant since he left Charlotte. The buyer should have known he was going to lose money on that from the jump.
i have a fleer universe all mellinium of gary payton numbered to 20..did this card have a value pls answer sir..thank you
He has such a great point... Ive been waiting for him to do his research like I did to just make sure I was right... Been waiting for this for a month or 2 now... I knew the market was in a bad DIP DOWN.... Meaning do not sell cards right now.... Flipping isn't in our timeframe right now... Its about building a collection to sell later when the card market is up AND the ACTUAL MARKET is up as well.... These 2 things do go hand in hand... Many companies that do auctions have held back from doing them... Cards will not fetch in money what they did during COVID and Trumps Stimulus packages we received...
HOLD HOLD HOLD
Most of the large cards that are being sold are being forced to be liquidated as a result of the original buyers having an outstanding loan balance that needs to be repaid. Their lenders are required to maintain a certain LTV and the drop in values of all sports cards has resulted in many people holding these large cards having to sell to get their LTV back in line. More to come over the next 12 monthsâŠ..
Right Now Luka Rookie cards are the most risky to hold. His card at the moment are over proce and he hasn't won anything yet nor an MVP. Right now he doesn't have a position to win it all. Be scarry to be the next Steve nash. He's card would definitely plummet.đ
Thank you Matt for your great video, Keep up the wonderful work! I'am not a collector but inherited about 2 thousand baseball, and Football cards
Trying to absorb all this info is pretty daunting to međł
Hey I have an unopened brett favre 26 pack idk what to do I have had it for awhile now
Speaking on it I bought a topps gold 93 series one sealed box from pristine auction. Opened it and now gonna grade the cards. I cant sit on sealed products but also, i but alot of pokemon from ebay and people are selling old near mint cards for dirt cheap. But you take the risk cause they never ship properly but yes i agree as a buyer and seller. Im getting more deals buying rn
This video also works as a how to collect and sell video. This helps put some things into perspective. Also, what does FOMO mean?
Thanks for the feedback! Fomo stands for âfear of missing outâ
ebay fees at over 13% right now make it impossible to flip for profit on there now
This is a great video for someone thinking they want to get into flipping. Glad Iâm just a casual collector. I canât even fathom the losses of some of those cards!
Great video, man! I know FOMO is like a drug but I often wonder why collectors pay so exorbitantly for so many players that are mid tier at best in the long run. All the data from the past is there to see how it turns out for so many players besides the GOATS. Makes no sense.
I agree, Vince. If you're going to spend BIG money, why not buy the proven players rookie cards? In my opinion, these buyers are straight gambling and hoping for the best with money they can lose. I think over time the real GOATS will win in the end đđ»
I agree at the end of the day it's HOF or bust, but at the same time one needs to do a bit of strategic semi-risky investing on guys that aren't immediate GOAT candidates but could develop into HOF caliber players, because it's far more affordable than trying to collect someone like Luka who already has GOAT status baked into his prices. It's also less risky than paying GOAT prices for Lamelo's or Zion's and getting burned when they can't back it up.
With that said $75K for a 1/1 on-card auto of a highly collectable set base parallel is pretty dope and someone got very lucky!
Some of those sales probably had a shill betting so if they didnât get there price they got it back
Tried warning these guys for years about these 1/1 gimmick cards. Especially since on mediocre rookies.
The boom came once itâll come twice!! as history repeats itself! I absolutely love your channel, your content very beneficial, and muchly respectedâ€đ
There will never be another boom like that. A tim Duncan card will never go from $500 to $12k in a 3 month period
@@wheelman0799 maybe not a Tim Duncan !!card but theyâll be another boom
Great advice. Keep up the good content
I wouldnât sell the greats. Kemba, Trae I wouldnât have ever bought , if I had the money; but I can see selling them to get out of them. When you donât have a lot of money, I guess itâs harder to lose a lot of money.
Finally a vid I can relate to đąđ
đ buy high sell low baby!
â@@boxalarmtrading hehe!!
Wow Eye opening video, this makes my little losses and buys look like nothing đ salute for this. I think itâs good to hold the greats but the unproven players are always a risk.
Now I don't feel so bad about the thousands I've lost lol
You hold the Duncan and the LeBron auto. You don't sell them. Ever.
Correct
I'm buying the hype of Austin Reaves and also more budget NBA guys Day'ron Sharpe, Nicolas Claxton, Cameron Johnson and Tre Murphy III. Basketball cards are seeming cheap these days.
Great video Matt. I would luv to see you do a baseball âŸïž video on this. Thank you for the video.
I'm currently grinding out the baseball card lists as I type this. Stay posted! đ
This is the same scam that went down in the sealed video game market (old nintendo, sega etc). Since most kids opened them and used them when they bought them there were already very few that remained sealed, and some small group went out and bought every single one they could find for a few years, next they enlisted Heritage Auction house and held a few auctions in a row where the prices began doubling, trippling, 10x, 100x etc. Basically what you would have bought for 500 was now 'selling' for 100k in only 3 years. Thing is they weren't actually selling the games, just bidding them up to ridiculous valuations, why? When someone sees the next auction they probably know about crazy valuations happening, creating buzz, so they want in, they figure out what they want to bid on and where do they go to figure out how much something is worth, they check the auction records--the fake auction records. Fomo kicks in and suddenly they are bidding way to much.
This sounds like the exact same thing. Some of these prices just sound way to crazy. I bet if you look deeper those transactions didn't go through, or it was someone selling to themselves.
good video.. keepem coming⊠enjoy the good and bad news of the hobby.. its how things r in all things...
Thanks, Lee! I have more coming of both the good and the bad đ đđ»
Good stuff. Luka is perfect example of why basketball (or football) is more frustrating for me than baseball. Way too many variables besides individual performance. I'm a long term buyer on him, but that team is a dumpster fire right now. Feel like his stuff still has a way to go down, but I'm buying at some point.
Luka is 100% worth a pickup. He'll be traded to OKC for an extremely large bag when kyrie leaves and mavs make him hate the org. If luka wants titles. He has to mesh with a young core that can work with him. DFS was massive for the mavs. Sad they lost him. Kyrie coming on the team was supposed to put them deeper in the playoffs than last year. But it did the opposite. They're ass right now.
I donât think Luka has much further to go down. Heâs going to remain dominant and once he gets on a decent squad heâs winning chips
@Chase 9210 he isn't really going down at all TBH. prizm base rookies are selling for $150+ all day in bgs 9 or higher. Raw more like $140. They were at $120 in the off-season. He's sitting pretty right now. Everyone knows this whole situation is kidd/kyrie's fault. Luka is great, and incredibly talented. Everyone knows that. A team can drag you down into a pit if you let them. Just look at dame.
Hockey all day long! McDavid, Ovechkin, Crosby, Kane! Thanks!
Love the little chuckle at the beginning of the ben simmons card. What a drop off/disappointment hes been. Smh
Thanks for the video, but I disagree with you on the card hobby rebounding. These guys taking hits are probably the smart ones to get out now while people are still buying. I guess only the future will tell.
A lot of these cards are long term holds. The market is going to bounce back.
I agree, I'd say 40% are due for a huge comeback đ
What people are going to find is you either need to keep trading up each year or keep spending more and more because every year there is a whole new round of players and cards to keep up with. Products will keep being printed and you will never ever keep up with it all, so cards like these will fall out of favor for the next big thing.
It's bad enough that a 1/1 would be a sticker auto, but even worse that someone shelled out $276,000 for it.
If I owned an exquisite LeBron rpa I would never sell it.. bury me with that card
Haha, for real. I'd be so nervous to sell.
I love your videos but this one is up in my top 5.
The price of cards during the pandemic years were way over priced. Happy I sold a lot thise years.
How many of these were done or recommended by Geoff Wilson??
I was at a card show and the dude said in 2003 he bought that lebron just /10 I think for 400$ and sold it for 1.4K in 2003 now itâs worth millions.
He didnât actually lose anything itâs just what he couldâve gotten 20 years later
This makes me rethink things hahaha. I'm new in this hobby and the most expensive card i have right now is just a lamelo ball card that's a psa 10 pop 1.đ I'm thinking of selling it but nah. Just as you say I'll just hold on to it đđđ
If you sell try listing at best offer or buy it now, or wait until Lamelo goes on a hot streak. You'll have a better chance of getting the most of out it. Welcome to the hobby!
@PSA COLLECTOR thank you! đ đ
It almost feels like these were never legit purchases to sell for such a huge loss! Thats crazy!
Weren't you flipping? Also didn't you change your nMe before.
Oh
These sellers are loosing more than just the sold price
Thereâs the sellers fees and shipping
Yeah I failed to mention this in the video. Fees are a huge part of buying and selling
Gotta hold on to that spida! Wtf was that guy thinking
Thought you had to change your name from PSA to sports card collector?
I can't believe that Simmons card sold for that much now lol
At this level (s) it all comes down to having to take the realized losses to offset other gains for tax reasons. I hope!
Laundering
I don't get selling the Luka for $75K when there are folks openly looking for the Black PRIZM 1/1 and offering $1.6million for it. You'd have to think the Black Optic would be worth at least 25% of that, no?
I buy vintage not this garbage i sleep good at night
People don't seem to know when it's smart to do auction and when it's better to do fixed price/buy it now....Then they let good cards go low, feel violated, and it hurts all the rest our collection's value lol. Just price it up! Wait for the right buyer/collector, let them haggle a little and get a nice sale... Dudes be running auctions to end at 4am on a Tuesday night and wonder why no one bid up their card at the end haha
$600 loss is quite a bit in my eyes lol
A card will take a dip if the player is having a down year or two. I wait to sell if a player has a champions ring or two. I kept my cards from the 50-60-70-80. I payed pennys on the dollar.
coooper kup 1/1 sold for 10k last year, its up on ebay now , I wonder if it goes up or down.
Thank u this was helpful
Yeah, regarding Morant, I think we frown on guys pulling guns on camera as far I know, but you do you bro.
Depends on where you grew up, flashing a gun is common where Iâm from. Itâs how you can spot a punk. all talk no walk. Not really frowned upon, just a kid trying to act hard.
I would have held on to that Donovan Mitchell. Especially when he balling this hard
Crazy! My stomach hurts just watching this list!
I don't remember if it was on one of your videos or from a different channel, but yes these are huge losses but many of the peak sales you are using for comparison are during peak covid times when almost every card was going to the moon. Those that sold their cards then were smart. The market will probably never get to that point again. So its almost unfair to compare recent sales to those peak times.
Figure out what the all the hype is and stay away from it is my best advice
No one has money to buy because they invested it all into cards. Hence the reason why people are selling for Massive Losses. They are selling for massive losses just to get some kind of capital back on the investment. Most flippers canât afford to sit on cards long so they cut their losses for what they are.
No collector would spend thousands on a 21st century PSA-7.
I think a lot of sellers are selling at a loss on purpose to their friends or something and writing the losses off on their taxes.
Why anyone would pay $300,000 for a Kobe gold refractor is beyond belief.
Most of these were cards bought at the top of the market or near the top and then sold as the bubble deflated but why some idiot would pay $300K for a Kobe Gold refractor is beyond rationale....
Even $870 sounds like a dumb buy on Ben Simmons.
Thing about basketball is they let everyone into the hall, unlike MLB. Most those players will be in the hall, so yeah hold.
How many of these did Geoff own?
Correction. How many did his wife own?
I would love to get into the minds of the people who bought these cards. Who the hell would pay a 6 figure dollar amount for a Trae Young card???? I honestly think most these flippers arenât big sports fans and thatâs why they are gullible to the hype.
That's a Ben Simmons bus. lolol.
Love videos like this . Iâm a collector and put my hard work into it for years upon years and had to save cards for years just to build a decent collections while these rich people just buy what ever they want . Let them lose their money . They have plenty more donât feel bad trust me ! I know many of them as friends they literally do not care money isnât an object to them . Being rich is honestly nice very nice !
It seems to me that most of these buys were purchased with a flip in mind. You don't want a trade to turn into an investment so you recognize you were wrong, sell and move on. That is probably what is happening here in a lot of cases.
It is easy to say, just hold but you need to know the initial intent as well as the financial position. And saying I would just hold is just not valid.
I agree with your advice about FOMO from a buying perspective, but your eBay strategies are out of context for folks who are selling. Putting an item out near the price you paid when you paid a high price would just lead to the card sitting on eBay for a long time.
You seem very confident that the next hobby boom is coming....what if it takes another 10 years for that to occur? Should folks simply wait a decade? Look at internet stocks from the 99-2000 boom, it took forever for the recovery.
Unique videođ
To spend over 160k on a premium 1of1 Luka and then sell for 75k makes no sense. You only buy it for that if you think heâs going to be an all time great. No clue whyâd you sell now
Excellent Video man!!!
The point here is don't sell anything on PWCC!
What about Kobe topps Chrome rookie refractor Psa 10 and Jordan fleer rookie Psa 10. Those took huge loss also. Why is it not on the list ????
This list is modern cards only. Iâm doing a vintage/retired list soon so stay posted for that
@@GRADEDCARDINVESTOR Kobe rookie is modern.