I didn't expect this outcome // East vs West Longboard Surfboard Battle
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- čas přidán 8. 07. 2024
- In today's vlog, I take out two longboard surfboards: A Bing Continental and a COS Chingona to see which one surfs our east coast waves better. The results were fascinating and made me re-think certain aspects of longboard surfing. Enjoy!
Location: New Jersey
Being a beginner LB I really appreciated your comment about "flying down the line" too quickly and your goal of staying in the pocket. Great vid and thanks so much for sharing your experiences and expertise.
Yes! It's a hard thing to slow yourself down enough to noseride. That's where the takeoff comes in handy. Again I'll say, watch tomorrows video... it's all about this
As always, awesome video mate!
haha Thanks! Glad you enjoy
It’s good to keep in mind as well what kind of waves each was designed for. A bing is likely designed with all the point breaks that are peppered along the California coast, where stalling isn’t as much of a go-to move as much as big drop knee cutbacks where the fuller tail lets you keep the speed of the board up through those turns. Also the flatter nose will work great for nose riding once you get a good amount of speed up while trying to make a section from one part of a point break to the next. It probably won’t work as well on the kind of waves your on that seem to be more beach break oriented with steeper faces and more of a need to stall rather than do cutbacks.
Yes, you're 100% correct. When I was in santa cruz I really wish I had my Bing with me. Much more suited to the flatter point breaks. My new chingona handles the beach breaks very well
Hey Brian, It's Matt (not Mike) Calvani of Bing. Tony Iannarone formerly of Brick NJ is the one man show that builds COS surfboards in Jax Beach FL. You can buy one at The Beach House in Bay Head or Lucky Dog in Bradley Beach. The Beach House sometimes has used boards that come in as trades for newer boards, but they go fast. Talk to Eric the owner and let him know what you are looking for and if one comes in he will contact you. I have 3 of Tony's boards and they just plain work here in NJ.
doh! a shame I can't edit once the video is uploaded haha! Yes I'm going to be headed to the beach house soon to talk with them and see what they have in stock. When you say they just plain work.. i totally get that now
@@LongboardSessions This is no slight on Calvani, he is a craftsman in his own right, but Tony is from the east coast and builds boards for our waves. Specifically NJ beach break. Eric is great and he is the one to speak to at the shop. Some of the kids there are just that and aren't nearly as knowledgeable as Eric, the owner. Good luck with you search.
@@davidstorch4080 excellent, I’ll make sure I speak to eric. The Bing Continental is a special board for sure . You can tell by inspecting it how much work went into this design. But you’re right, cos makes boards for our waves so in the end it’s a tough comparison. But like I said in the video, I know very good longboarders who prefer the Continental even on our nj waves. I think experience as wel as preference come into play
Lot of fun to watch
Thanks!
Brian, love the channel and the videos. I have 14 surfboards and every time i take one out that i have not used for a while, i’m like this is the best board ever…i also want to spend more time on the nose and your videos are an inspiration. 🏄🏽♂️
Thanks so much! Haha I feel the same way with boards.. however I only have one right now. It's important to change up the board every now and then. Really teaches you how different each one is and makes you a better surfer IMO
To be a fair comparison between 2 boards, you should have the same size boards. Keep going!
Totally. Really wish they were closer in size. However, I believe alot of what I was feeling was board shape.... atleast i'd like to think that haha! I'm going to head to one of my local board shops and try and pick their brains about these two boards and see what they say
Hey Brian great video - especially since I am in the market for used Longboard. I rented a 9 footer yesterday from Eastern in Belmar and dealt with the crowed surf on 17th. It was a bit sluggish compared to board I use in New Zealand (local shaper) in the small 1-2 foot breakers but it did the job. Took me a bit to get use to board and new surf break. Up until now , I have only surfed in NZ and I have only been surfing for 3 years. What surprised me about the surf is that in few paddle strokes I was out the back. It could have been the location (17th street Belmar) and/or the day, not sure. For me - I am use to paddling and paddling against multiple lines of white water :). It was a nice change not to paddle so far but that also made for very short rides. So, Like I said I am in the market for a longboard and when I get my hands on one maybe I catch up to you one early morning on the Belmar, Spring Lake , Avon location. I will be here until the end of October - If you ever find your self in NZ look me up. Cheers Jack
Thanks Jack! Man, I surfed that crowded 17th break at belmar a couple weeks ago and got slammed in the head with a board. Good thing it was a foamy... but still got me dizzy. Yea the waves are very quick here, but that gets you real good at takeoffs hehe. I catch between 30 and 50 waves a session easy. I'll be going out this monday and/or tuesday morning. If you're around, you can ride my board as I still have the chingona with me.
@@LongboardSessions Wow, too kind and a generous offer. I would like to take you up on your offer and try to catch up to you on Monday or Tuesday morning. I assume you will be in the area early morning, 6 am or earlier?? Just let me know how you want to communicate meeting times and places. Thanks again.
@@jackdoughty4238 message me on instagram @longboard_sessions
Hey man, good work hanging 10. I can't help but think it's the extra volume and length that makes the difference???
You are definitely making good progress.
It may be! I'm sure it makes a difference, but the shape of the COS seems to make more sense on steeper waves. I wish I had the same size chingona for it to be a perfectly fair comparison.
Great channel, love it.
Im thinking to get my first ever board. Sec. hand, Barry Bennett 9'0'', quad fin setup, pin tail. I dont know much about longboards, but I really liked that one so I might buy it. Its like a complete different setup and probably they surf completely different, or am I wrong?
Thanks!! Not sure what model, but that sounds like a high performance longboard. It will likely be lighter and have more rocker. It will be excellent on slightly bigger waves and turn like a dream. However, if you're looking to become a more traditional longboarder (noserider), than a more traditional single fin log would be better. In an ideal world you would have both a traditional log and a HP
Amazing.
Thanks james!
I had the same problem with my 9’6 night train, i could never seem to be in the pocket but i learned to take off behind the peak, and also if i were going to take off on the shoulder i fade my takeoff then whip it around but also stalling the board a little and that seemed to help a lot with noseriding in the pocket, but I do think that longer boards generally help with noseriding
I assume any issue I have on the Bing is user error. The bing is great on backside waves so I'm just not stalling and locking the board properly on front side waves. But, the shape of the chingona is more suited to these steep waves and tha'ts where I think the stability is coming from. I think the added 6 inches does make a difference on the chingona, but its one piece of a larger puzzle i believe.
agree...a fade turn should set you up pretty nicely or quick hard swing pivot will stall the board allowing for a easy cross step in the pocket.
fun little channel mate. nice work.
@@lukecoleman3576 Yes sir. Thanks luke!
What a quality…
Congrats
Thanks Pedro!
Awesome video Brian, love the experiment. Were both constructions the same? I have a Poly board and I feel it rides differently than my buds epoxy
Thanks Dylan! Both the same build. I'd like to feel the difference between constructions materials tho.. sounds like a video idea hhe
is that second board sort of slower? and does that make it easier to stay in the pocket? i’m looking for a new board and i have the same problem with my board being too fast especially on such a slow wave like waikiki
It's possible that it's slower, but I believe the thinned out nose is what really makes it shine in these steep waves. I think your best bet is to chat with some local longboarders who have some experience. They are your best source of info as to what board will work in your area.
hey, bro. i love your channel, I've improved a lot on the longboard thanks to you.
now I want to buy a bing.
Here in Spain it is not easy to get them, but you could get a 9’2 Continental or a 9’4 Silver Spoon.
My weight is 141lb. you think the continental will be okay?
which one would you choose? thank you so much and good waves.
Thanks Pablo! I think i'd go with the Silver spoon if I were you. I think your weight would be slightly more suited to a 9'4" and the silver spoon is a good all around traditional noserider. The continental is awesome, but more suited to a specific style. Iv'e also heard that the contiental is not an easy board to start out on? Not sure if this is true or not. If you could get both options in a 9'4" than it would be a much tougher decision haha
Haha...430am is when set my alarm to surf... Amazing how the waves get us up...
Awesome vid...you shred!
it is amazing...not much would get us up that early... but surfing gets me right up. Atleast most of the time hehe
Nice content 👌👏🏻
Thanks!
I think it’s really hard to do a comparison when you are using two different size boards. Of course the bigger board will offer you more stability. I don’t have either of those boards however there is a notable size difference, correct?
Yes you're 100% right. 6" size difference. Not a great comparison
@@LongboardSessions On the flip side, I do enjoy watching your videos. Very informative and very entertaining. Wish you'd come surf and do vids on the other side of the pond (Long Beach NY) :))
Wondered why you got up so early. You doing this before work? That's inspiring. Maybe I should.
Yep, I often do it before work. But, I also have the drone pilots schedule to work with and mornings work best for both of us typically. Morning surf is the best anyway hehe
Can you talk more about stability and elaborate on how it makes cross-stepping easier? I assume you mean that, for example, the board doesn't start to turn if you step off the midline. Is it more than that? More stable = more like you are standing on solid ground? I'm considering a hatchet fin for more stability on my Harbour Banana. BTW, good drop-knee at 9:24. The video cuts out at that point, so we don't know if the turn worked (Intentional? ;) ). VLog idea: compare fin shapes and positions.
I know it's a confusing thing to try and put into words, but after I get the board locked in and trimmed out, it feels like im cross stepping on a more stable platform. So yes, If your step is not perfectly in the center, the Chingona seems more forgiving. If the video cut out, i'm sure I didn't land the turn haha! But, im getting better at those reverse drop knee turns... theyre so fun. Definatley will do a video comparing fin shapes and positions soon!
Heading up to LBI from Cape May tomorrow. Best surf shop for a 98 or 10 footer? Currently have a 25-year-old Yater spoon 96. Looking for a bit more foam as it is only 22 7/8 and just about 3 inches thick. Thins out up at the nose too. Pushing 200 pounds so need more foam. Any suggestions? Thanks
Ah well I'm a little late to this comment sorry! I'd stick with a good all around longboard in the 9'8 to 10' range. Something like the bing silver spoon could be good! Nothing wrong with going big as well. You'd probably love a 10 footer
i have the Bing Original Noserider 9.8 and i like it a lot. Noserides easy, though it is a heavy board with the volan glas.
oh sweet! Those heavier volan boards can be useful I imagine. I surfed one in smaller conditions and it was great
Hi! I just watched your video. I'm a beginner but have been improving. I have an 8ft funboard that I really like. I want to get a true longboard. I surf mainly in South Carolina and Florida. After watching your video, I'm feeling like I m]ight need a LB with more rocker for these areas? One I'm looking at is low rocker, pretty flat and I'm thinking maybe not the best choice now.
I think in Florida you can likely get away with a flatter board. South Carolina is a little steeper (i think) and you might want a board with more rocker. But honesty, you can get used to any board in any conditions. I'd probably stick to slightly more rocker as that's easier to get started with. Good luck!
Living in NC now. I spent many years in Ocean City, Cape May, and some time in LBI. Which beach is this, love the big homes? Also, you have really improved. Keep the videos coming, I believe they are very inspirational to a lot of surfers.
Thanks so much Glenn! This is in the central jersey area.. spring lake, belmar, avon, bradley
The homes are so nice... but soooo expensive haha
@@LongboardSessions Thanks for the reply. Yeah, tried to buy in Ocean City and ended up Surf City NC for a fraction of the cost.
Yeah, I think you will get a lot of comments like this but the boards should be the same length, shape, volume etc. You could do a video for example on your take on different tail shapes? From my experience the benefit of getting a board from a local shaper is you will have much more involvement in the process. You can also talk to the shaper about your own style, the typical places you surf and your level. You also support your local surf community which is nice. Keep up the vids. They are great and it is awesome to see longboard specific content. 👍
Thanks Harry! Yes I agree the boards should be similar. However, the only difference I believe is the 6 inches in length. The volume is about the same for both boards. And that's what I was attempting to judge, but I'm sure that length makes quite a difference as well. Hopefully I can get my hands on a similar sized chingona and give that a shot.
@@LongboardSessions Good luck in your search! I look forward to more vids!
@@HarryProudlove Thanks!
Tony grew up surfing the waves you are on which probably has something to do with your conclusion. Bings are beautiful but I wouldn't trade my COS for anything!
yes there you go! They really made a board that fits right into our waves.
Do you have any experience with a Takayama in the pink model?
I don't, but i'd love to try it! It kind of goes against what is needed for a steep beach break, but i'd love to see how it works. It would seem a pulled in nose and wide point back would work best in NJ, and the in the pink is the opposite of that. Would be an interesting comparison
Wouldn't one board be designed for East Coast while the other is designed for West Coast waves? It's a hard comparison.
Yes it is a hard one. The bing was designed for Cali waves, the COS designed for east coast. So it would make sense the COS would work better on our waves, but there are a few guys who prefer the continental here.
I have a Jim Phillips 10ft HP board it is pure magic
OH sweet! I'll check it out
Hey bri. How are you liking your chingona? I got the in the pink and im kinda feeling that it doesnt suit our fast and sloppy NJ waves. I feel like we need a little bit more rocker for NJ surf. I dunno just my thoughts. Now im thinking about getting the chingona. Lol. Or maybe i just need to surf more to get better at it lol
What size in the pink did you get ?
@@LongboardSessions i got a 9’4 in the pink. It feels really thin compared to my friends matador el toro, whichni think really packs a lot more volume.
@@jamesdiola4773 Why don't we meet up for a session? You can try my 9'6" chingona.. I wanna try your in the pink. Maybe I'll make a video about the comparison
message me on insta @longboard_sessions
@@LongboardSessions sure that would be awesome. Ill send you message and ill bring my son he wants to surf with us as well. Thank you
Do a video on a 8' 6" Board!
7 :59 final location, ... El Slammo !!!
HAHA! one day
Nice Vid! I own a dewey (pintail 9,4, nose rider). Very hard to make a bottom turn but after that, very stable. May too stable. Beside I have a Walden (9,0). Walden works every time, never a bad moment but is not special in 1 specific thing. And, a Hobie (9,2 performer). This board surfs like a shortboard but also smooth bottom turns, feels very "trusty", does not nose ride that good (but I am a loose noserider, therefor I watch your vids ;). )
Nice well rounded quiver you got there! I wonder if you should try some different fins in your dewey. You say "too stable" and also hard to make a bottom turn. Sounds like a fin swap could change all of that. Maybe!
@@LongboardSessions yep, saw your vid about fins. I got a couple and I am going to try these
@@guruman1969 great! A greenough 4a might be a good start. Go thinner or wider from there
Is the water THAT cold over there? As cold as "gotta wear a long wetsuit in july"?
It's cold, but most people would be wearing a shorty on a day like this. I get cold easily though, so I typically go full suit the whole year!
@@LongboardSessions Tks bro
👍
How big do these waves get to ?
They can get pretty big here... once or twice a year it will be double overhead almost. I never go out those days tho lol... I'm just looking for nice little longboard waves
In my experience, 9’2 vs 9’6 or 9’8 are totally different surfboard , even they’re the same model.
Especially you want to test the ability of nose riding. The big one always more stable than another one.
I think you need to compare them in the same size. That’s fair enough 😆
Or you maybe lose some good experience about continental 😆
Give 9’8 continental a try. ☺️☺️
You're 100% correct. Now that I'm riding a 9'6" regularly I realize this. I think a 9'4" bing would be great now for our waves... i'll keep an eye out for a used one haha
You should try a DT 9’6” or a Sprout
I'll check em out!
Where do you usually surf, my brother?
In the monmouth county area. If i get too specific people get mad lol
@@LongboardSessions i lknow how it works. Hahahah. You should come visit Brazil, brother. I surf a lot in Guarujá (galhetas, Astúrias, tombo and pitangueiras) and Baleia. Surf is beautiful over here.
@@LongboardSessions i surfed in montauk NY in Jully 2022 and loved it.
@@caiopcd Oh that would be awesome! Looks like you got some amazing longboard waves in certain places. Iv'e seen some of those Marina Carbonel clips... so good
@@caiopcd Awesome! I keep meaning to get over there
Apples and Oranges...............
True
maybe the extra length and extra just suits your style better
Very well may be! Also as shane pointed out, that pulled in nose makes a huge difference on these beach breaks
The wave dictates the board and fins. You have two boards that excel in two different types of waves. IMO, not apples to apples
Good point. They're also 6" different in length which makes quite a difference
May I ask what your height and weight is? I’m 6’, 190 riding an 11’!
you may 😉. I’m 5’4” and 130 lbs. I’m still waiting on that college growth spurt my father told me was coming....
At 8:51, the guy on the red board sure kicks a lot for being on a longboard. If he moved up his chest just 1cm. he'd glide better.
Yes, chest up would help for sure. Paddling is one of those things we forget is actually a hard skill to learn for a new surfer. He's getting there tho, that's for sure!
“Matt Calvani”
Yup👍
Chingona means "bad-ass bitch", so it must be good...
Science
Matt shaped the Continental, not Mike Calvani. I love my CA pintail Lgt
haha yup, you're correct. I'd love to get a pintail.. although there are many boards I want now... haha
short period small beach break: with point back with a pulled in nose. thank me later
I believe what you're saying is the widest point of the board is back and the nose width is thinner, correct? If that's what you mean, that makes so much sense. Pulled in nose can handle those steep sections very nicely... that's what the chingona has
@@LongboardSessions kind of. Look at what knost, Erin Ashley, Levi Prairie are riding in beach break conditions. The nose is narrow, which helps to get into the pocked quickly. The wide point behind center creates a pivot point that allows for the board to pull into the pocket and noseride in tight, steeper inside sections really well.
This isn't to say that you can't do the same thing with wide nosed Nuuhiwa style noseriders (look to Tyle Hatzikian surfing his 777 model at El Porto), but the wide point back with pulled in nose can help a lot.
@@ShaneOConnorRec excellent info, thanks! Now I actually know what to look for in a board.... I blindly bought my Bing Continental not knowing much about Longboarding. Still very happy to have this board and I have no plans on selling it, but I gotta add to the arsenal
@@LongboardSessions the bing continental is a great board, and is worthy of keeping in your quiver for a long time. I hope I didn't imply that it is the wrong, or a bad board. It is a fantastic craft.
Seems odd to compare two boards of different length and volume given the importance of length and volume to the weight of the rider. Had you compared another- longer- Continental against the 9’2”, you’d of also experienced a different ride.
Also, when cross-stepping, your issue seems to be walking the stringer…if you’re tapping both sides of the stringer with each step, you’re going to have less stability…which would show up less on a board with more volume…not a great/fair comparison video.
You also may try stalling further back on the board.
Yes for sure, Not staying on the centerline is a problem I have. The boards were roughly the same volume, but 6 inches difference in length which I'm sure plays into it.
Matt..... Calvani. It’s Matt. Way to disrespect a legend.