What breaks first?

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  • čas přidán 4. 09. 2024
  • How strong are V threads? The rope in a loop is going to be strong enough to catch any whipper and be a 10:1 safety ratio to rappel on. The real question is more about how strong is the ice. We did 5 tests in this video and found the 6mm and 7mm ropes break when installing them with 21cm screws but the ice kept breaking at 14kN and 15kN with our 10mm rope until we put it in a giant v thread and found out we couldn't pull it to failure.
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    Sweet montage
    00:28 V threads
    03:04 Test #1
    06:13 Test #2
    08:26 Test #3
    09:12 Test #4
    10:09 A Thread vs V Thread
    10:55 Test #5
    12:33 Data Results

Komentáře • 55

  • @HowNOT2
    @HowNOT2  Před rokem +4

    Ice Screw Tests at czcams.com/video/Hy_W10xMrCM/video.html and this blog and data is at www.hownot2.com/post/vthreads
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  • @1onfire619
    @1onfire619 Před rokem +35

    You are actually doing so much for spreading climbing knowledge and awareness, you should receive grants from alpine associations.

    • @winterroadspokenword4681
      @winterroadspokenword4681 Před rokem +2

      He doesn’t need alpine associations. We can donate directly to him, simply because we like the work 😊
      That way we cut out the middlemen.

    • @sinisterthoughts2896
      @sinisterthoughts2896 Před 3 měsíci

      True, but doesn't mean he can't be supported by both.​@@winterroadspokenword4681

  • @luc4662
    @luc4662 Před rokem +30

    Would love to see two follow ups:
    - what about 16 cm screws ?
    - test in some nice blue/transparent icefall ice

  • @BorgTinderne
    @BorgTinderne Před rokem +19

    Beyond thankyou. I'm planning a trip to Greenland in 2024. Touch wood, we go around the problems & watch the world go by. But ... should we need to go up / down a glacier that we didn't expect, then confidence in how strong a v-thread is pretty high on the list of things to know.

    • @luc4662
      @luc4662 Před rokem

      Sounds interesting… can you make us dream and share a bit your plans?

  • @Cthulhucultist1
    @Cthulhucultist1 Před rokem +11

    woo! thanks guys.
    I would be super stoked to see this on water ice as well as 10-13cm a thread strength.

  • @coltonharris4556
    @coltonharris4556 Před rokem +3

    It’d be cool if you tested snow anchors.
    Bollard
    T picket
    Ice axe boot belay

    • @CJski
      @CJski Před rokem

      I think he did test some snow anchors in another video

  • @jasonjb7892
    @jasonjb7892 Před rokem +1

    Very much appreciate the ice videos. As an avid ice climber, who has taken a grand total of 1 ice fall ( system held!) I've wanted to see demos vs. reading about how/why screws fail. I will say that you chose excellent ice to test with, as opposed to the aerated, wet, brittle, plating, or other less than 'ideal' ice I've led in the past. Despite the test results, and my fall experience, I still will never trust ice. But still, great videos, much appreciated.

  • @jomaier9195
    @jomaier9195 Před rokem +3

    I think this the perfect channel for this issue: I feel like we as sportsclimbers destroy our holds by "polishing" them with our sweat and chalk. In the long term our grandchildren will have to climb polished holds without good friction. Can we as a climbing community avoid this? For example by making it a habit to clean all the holds after sending the route? Probably it is too much work and annoying for most climbers...
    Or is there another way?
    Looking forward to a discussion :)

    • @matonni7
      @matonni7 Před rokem +1

      You still can forbid use of chalk, as in many (sandstone) crags in CZ or DE :D
      And honestly, when the rock has a good friction (most of jurassic limestone in Europe, or volcanic rocks), it's more of a habit than of a need.

  • @gotta-jibboo9139
    @gotta-jibboo9139 Před rokem +1

    Thank you so much Ryan! Been patiently waiting for this one!

  • @Benlucky13
    @Benlucky13 Před rokem +7

    Super surprised how strong those shallow looking v-threads were, though I'm no ice climber. Didn't expect even the 6mm cord to break before the ice
    Part of me wonders how strong that drill bit would be as an ice screw with a little modification to the chuck end

  • @boudibla4011
    @boudibla4011 Před rokem +1

    Would love to see a comparison with Waterfall Ice, and a comparison V-thread and A-thread.

    • @hugh4658
      @hugh4658 Před rokem +1

      From memory, A-threads are meant to be marginally stronger, but they are both so strong that the difference between them in their intended application is kinda semantics. I go with A-threads because it's way easier to line it up correctly and therefore faster.

  • @MikeDCWeld
    @MikeDCWeld Před rokem

    You should go back and retest the DEEP A-thread using the Slack Snap. Should be fun hauling it out there.

  • @petewhittington9399
    @petewhittington9399 Před rokem +1

    What about using a Velcro closure strap. Easy to remove/open the case, and easy/quick to close again? (I appreciate you needed a "Band-Aid" solution while in the field, but moving forward?)

  • @UNIQUENAME2007
    @UNIQUENAME2007 Před rokem

    dope to see you testing on ice!

  • @jeffreycarman2185
    @jeffreycarman2185 Před 10 měsíci

    Great video!

  • @benja_mint
    @benja_mint Před rokem +7

    A metric inch 😅😆

  • @sveinoscarskilleas7561

    Thanks!

  • @markus717
    @markus717 Před rokem

    Title shouldn't be "ropes vs ice, which breaks first", it's "ropes vs glacier ice..". Big diff!

  • @tereza6809
    @tereza6809 Před rokem

    Nice job guys! Thank you💪😘

  • @robotflex6454
    @robotflex6454 Před rokem

    Thankyou!

  • @jackiceful
    @jackiceful Před rokem

    want to see similar tests in 'normal' cliff ice with these ever so changing temperature climate ;-0)

  • @dakotamatata
    @dakotamatata Před rokem

    Are you sure the measurements you’re getting are accurate? It looks like you have the safety line attached to the line scale, wouldn’t it measure the shock from being caught by its safety line?

  • @ronl7131
    @ronl7131 Před rokem

    Interesting experiments

  • @tehrater480
    @tehrater480 Před rokem

    Cool stuff! Loved it

  • @drcrocodile1
    @drcrocodile1 Před rokem

    The angle of that pull was not the angle of a fall? Still impressively strong.

  • @ajacobs223
    @ajacobs223 Před rokem

    Lee Vinning waterfall ice next

  • @lordofnothing.
    @lordofnothing. Před rokem

    thanks! ♥

  • @sophiakukurovska8083
    @sophiakukurovska8083 Před rokem

    Why didn't you test the 8mm thread?🥺

  • @user-mz6sh4uo7u
    @user-mz6sh4uo7u Před rokem

    i wonder why it'll be going away anyway

  • @laneeardink9849
    @laneeardink9849 Před rokem +2

    9:52 - "You had like, a metric inch." A metric inch? Must be an American thing.

    • @daxhopkins7312
      @daxhopkins7312 Před rokem

      The inch is defined by the metric system. The standard inches of the imperial system are, in a way, metric inches

  • @UNIQUENAME2007
    @UNIQUENAME2007 Před rokem

    coat hanger > sweatshop made v thread tool

  • @kensmith8832
    @kensmith8832 Před rokem +1

    This is some great engineering data. I like watching the interatomic bond being tested to the breaking point. I call this the interatomic bomb theory, which is a failure pun. Engineering jokes are only understood by a few.

  • @adventureswithfrodo2721
    @adventureswithfrodo2721 Před rokem +1

    These were used on lead climbing in Russia 20 + years ago, maybe more. Best vthread tool is a coat hanger.
    If you bring a bud ass drill wgy don't you bring a come-a-long.

  • @timtam2879
    @timtam2879 Před měsícem

    I wanna buy a drill instead of ice screw.like yours.looks very fast to make a deep hole😅😅

  • @perryjonsson
    @perryjonsson Před rokem

    At 9:54 - A metric inch? - What is that?

  • @pat13487
    @pat13487 Před rokem

    Interesting

  • @gustav2828
    @gustav2828 Před rokem

    Go waterfall ice!

  • @A_F_Makes
    @A_F_Makes Před 5 měsíci

    Who invented V threads in ice?

  • @Overitall805
    @Overitall805 Před rokem

    Ice = transient

  • @SileDevil
    @SileDevil Před rokem +1

    that ice is not ideal

  • @raedslacklines
    @raedslacklines Před rokem

    👌🏻

  • @pjccwest
    @pjccwest Před 19 hodinami

  • @stevenharper6394
    @stevenharper6394 Před rokem +2

    What's a metric inch?? 😂

    • @docteurlowbat
      @docteurlowbat Před rokem

      Well, it's an inch. Because as far as there where differents values accros the world they decide that the inch is exactly ...25.4 mm.
      So metric system rules the inch !

  • @mountainmandoug
    @mountainmandoug Před rokem +1

    This is great content. I just had to take the chance to make the first comment.

  • @mussaranya
    @mussaranya Před rokem

    Why do you call them "V threads" instead of by their name, "Avalakovs"?