I feel like the deer is more of a metaphor rather than actually where Elise was formed, but also I don't think it would be wrong to still assume that it is? Holle sacrificed the good company, her beloved, just like other golden girls. Then *He* used the Witch's (Walpurga's) forest as a womb to create Elise. If we assume she was in a deer's womb, the deer was still part of Walpurga's grove, hence in Walpurga's womb (mystical beings with their metaphysical "I am bound and I am a location" concepts)
I also thought that the deer might be metaphor but I'm not certain this is the case. Father Hans finds out that the witch Walpurga is unable to create life. In ending #10 Walpurga told Elise that she endlessly tried to create life the way Ozzy did, using her fertile soil (but presumably failed). On Monday witching hour, when you go to collect the gift basket you can find a lot of dead deers scattered across the grove with their entrails rippped out. I would take this as an implication that there was indeed a physical vessel (maybe a deer maybe something else) that has had their entrails used in combination with Walpurga's soil to create Elise's body and Walpurga tried to replicate that herself by slaying animals that ventured into her woodland to experiment on them. So I wonder, what if the deer was the "good company"? I don't recall anyone saying the good company has to be a human, just the object of one's greatest affection which could be the case with an animal.
@@Rhentsi It is true that there is no mentioned restriction on who the good company is supposed to be, but it is curious that Holle mentions "a union that was favored by the lord himself" and that her inability to bear a child "drove a wedge between them", so she "sacrificed her beloved". I very much doubt that could be said about a deer of all things and the "my soulmate would've wanted me to do it" from Holle also makes me believe that it was a human she sacrificed, especially since Holle was raising Elise alone... I agree that perhaps the dead deers are results of Walpurga trying to recreate what Ozzy did on her fertile soil, seems very possible with how angry she is about being "used". Thinking back on Holle's good company, I feel like it might be somehow connected to the tapestry in the real world? The one that changes over time. It starts with a woman that is approached by a hunter for/with a ring(?), and when she turns into a unicorn the hunter hunts her, resulting in her dying as human, and at the end there's only an eaten apple left. It might be an allusion to the good company sacrifice as a whole, winning their affection only to reduce them to a meal for Ozzy at the very end (hence the eaten apple). But it does make me think of a somewhat far fetched theory that Holle's soulmate was a were-deer or something, haha (also there's something about that unicorn and deer both sitting under a tree, hmm).
"A union that was favored by the lord himself" might be a reference to Holle initially praying to god for divine intervention so that she may be granted a child. As the Bible states in Genesis 1:28: "Be fruitful and multiply", hence God is in favor of her bearing children (yea I actually googled that). But exactly the sentence "this is what my soulmate would've wanted me to do" is such a weird wording. The phrase "would have" implies that whoever was sacrificed wasn't able to voice agreement or disagreement, meaning Holle could only guess whether they "would've" agreed, which would only really make sense with an animal that can't talk. Also Elise mentions she wasn't allowed to house pets as Holle was allergic. This either means everything I said is wrong or Holle felt guilty about what she had done and didn't want a pet that reminded her of her sacrifice. The tapestry that you mention is an interesting lead but I honestly thought that would be more connected to Ozzy and perhaps Walpurga? The hunter kind of reminds me of Ozzy with the hair covering his eyes and the hat and Walpurga has shown that she can shape her form into different humans, so a unicorn doesn't seem too far fetched. But admittedly I'm kind of at my wits end here as I don't recall anyone ever mentioning anything about Holle having a husband/girlfriend/soulmate of sorts and them being a were-deer does sound kind of...unique o.o If you figure it out let me know, as I would like to make a lore video and this part here is giving me quite a headache.
@@Rhentsi haha, the were-deer thing is more of a crack-theory than anything. But not that outlandish when you consider that Walpurga and Ozzy with his vassals are a Thing in the world of LGTS. Honestly, the tapestry thing itself is pretty vague. The way I think its story goes is that the hunter offers the white lady a ring (which is quite easy to interpret as a marriage proposal or some kind of other union), the lady rejects, I think? At first I thought it was the ring offered by the hunter we see on her neck as a unicorn, but looking more closely its some sort of pendant that can be seen on her human form too. Later the hunter hunts her (presumably for her rejection?) and she gets replaced by an eaten apple. It's interesting to consider in your Ozzy and Walpurga theory because it could mean that Ozzy first asked for Walpurga's permission, but upon her refusal used her grove anyway...? Again It is very vague. (Also, as I was writing this, although the current LGTS wiki is very sparse it is interesting that her wiki page lists Walpurga's hair colour as white, while it is often just the go-to for elderly characters, it is an interesting similarity between the unicorn lady and Walpurga, just like the hunter's similarity with Ozzy) (Even more, I looked up Walpurga appearing before Elise for the first time scene, and isn't it weird that in order to get to Ozzy one needs to present three gifts that are carried in the basket ('A womb, carrier of life - your basket is to hold all that is sacred") provided by Walpurga? One golden maiden specifically mentions that many of other gold girls are from Kieferberg ("Our beloved Kieferberg"), that would suggest that Walpurga's forest is a well established way to Ozzy's domain. That suggests some sort of long cooperation between her and Ozzy. But who knows, for all we know Ozzy is a dirty freeloader that doesn't pay rent and Walpurga is just pissed about him being able to do the one thing she can't. Just theorizing ¯\_(ツ)_/¯)
@@olddesert4497 Walpurga said when she first spoke to Elise that the good company is the object of her affections. I thought with that it was implied Holle sacrificed her husband in order to get a child. They were soulmates favored by the Lord, but Holle not being able to bear a kid was straining the relationship. Later, when Elise gets the basket and Walpurga shows up again, she was talking about reuniting with Elise so she could "bear life in her womb once more." I think what happened is that Ozzy took some of Walpurga's power in making Elise, weakening the witch
She definitely sacrificed him, but that's not enough to actually make a deal with the Strange Boy. The Good Company, the Sweetest Nectar and the Tender Flesh are gifts, they're a courtesy that gets you to the negotiating table, that's where you actually offer up a sacrifice to him. She gave him her husband *and* something else we don't know of.
@@morriganlefay5438 maybe she gave him the rest of her lifetime? she seems younger in the tapestry and as a golden girl, perhaps the deal was that she'd become an old woman and lived just enough to see elise turn 18
@@bestwaifuonearth but wouldn't Kieferberg folks be suspicious of Holle immediately? I think She just looks younger as a golden girl bc ozzy made it that way for all golden girls no matter how old they are when they reach out to him
@@s0ap_eater1405 not all golden girls remain like that: at the end of the bad endings, elise is a golden maiden and she has the same outfit as the one she wore later in like (when she died). also, nothing really indicates holle interacted with the town often. the cinematic of the intro only shows her in the woods, everyone suspects she's a witch, and only the priest knows about the deal she did with ozzy
From what I get that Elise grandma wished for a baby girl that she lacked and used the deer as a sacrifice for what she wanted. Kinda sad if you think about it
No, the deer I think is symbolism for Walpurga, who had some portion of herself taken by "Him" to create Elise. When making a deal with Him, you have to sacrifice the person you love, so in this case we can infer that Holle sacrificed her husband in order to have Elise.
@@kymo6343 While I am always one for considering the possibility of a wife rather than a husband... the fact that they were trying for a child in their time period implies that it's a man
@@GamerJosh2611 I suppose so, but since it didn't explicitly state so, and since there's all kinds of witchery afoot, just saying it's fair enough if someone else has a different headcanon.
It's said in the priest's notes that Walpurga was born a witch but was then baptized, that's why she was adopted by the church,she is said to be benevolent but i guess because a fragment of her soul was took from her, she's willing to do anything to be whole again?
@@joaosdoppelgangeriminsidey1739 Or they made a false image of walpurga as something directed to the churt while the followers of the real walpurga were killed off.
So um is none goona talk about how elise was born from a deer cus hollie used a deer and so the demon used the deer as her womb so tecnecly the dead dear is her mother wellp ellise is a deer
I seem to remember it showing after you solve the puzzle with the sliding pieces on the wall. It basically ends up being an image of Elise's home. It was pretty hard and took me at least a half an hour or more
Right at the beginning of Wednesday Witching Hour you need to collect all 3 stone tiles and use them to solve the sliding puzzle in the center. Afterwards you move north into the next area.
I feel like the deer is more of a metaphor rather than actually where Elise was formed, but also I don't think it would be wrong to still assume that it is? Holle sacrificed the good company, her beloved, just like other golden girls. Then *He* used the Witch's (Walpurga's) forest as a womb to create Elise. If we assume she was in a deer's womb, the deer was still part of Walpurga's grove, hence in Walpurga's womb (mystical beings with their metaphysical "I am bound and I am a location" concepts)
I also thought that the deer might be metaphor but I'm not certain this is the case. Father Hans finds out that the witch Walpurga is unable to create life. In ending #10 Walpurga told Elise that she endlessly tried to create life the way Ozzy did, using her fertile soil (but presumably failed). On Monday witching hour, when you go to collect the gift basket you can find a lot of dead deers scattered across the grove with their entrails rippped out. I would take this as an implication that there was indeed a physical vessel (maybe a deer maybe something else) that has had their entrails used in combination with Walpurga's soil to create Elise's body and Walpurga tried to replicate that herself by slaying animals that ventured into her woodland to experiment on them. So I wonder, what if the deer was the "good company"? I don't recall anyone saying the good company has to be a human, just the object of one's greatest affection which could be the case with an animal.
@@Rhentsi It is true that there is no mentioned restriction on who the good company is supposed to be, but it is curious that Holle mentions "a union that was favored by the lord himself" and that her inability to bear a child "drove a wedge between them", so she "sacrificed her beloved". I very much doubt that could be said about a deer of all things and the "my soulmate would've wanted me to do it" from Holle also makes me believe that it was a human she sacrificed, especially since Holle was raising Elise alone...
I agree that perhaps the dead deers are results of Walpurga trying to recreate what Ozzy did on her fertile soil, seems very possible with how angry she is about being "used".
Thinking back on Holle's good company, I feel like it might be somehow connected to the tapestry in the real world? The one that changes over time. It starts with a woman that is approached by a hunter for/with a ring(?), and when she turns into a unicorn the hunter hunts her, resulting in her dying as human, and at the end there's only an eaten apple left. It might be an allusion to the good company sacrifice as a whole, winning their affection only to reduce them to a meal for Ozzy at the very end (hence the eaten apple). But it does make me think of a somewhat far fetched theory that Holle's soulmate was a were-deer or something, haha (also there's something about that unicorn and deer both sitting under a tree, hmm).
"A union that was favored by the lord himself" might be a reference to Holle initially praying to god for divine intervention so that she may be granted a child. As the Bible states in Genesis 1:28: "Be fruitful and multiply", hence God is in favor of her bearing children (yea I actually googled that). But exactly the sentence "this is what my soulmate would've wanted me to do" is such a weird wording. The phrase "would have" implies that whoever was sacrificed wasn't able to voice agreement or disagreement, meaning Holle could only guess whether they "would've" agreed, which would only really make sense with an animal that can't talk. Also Elise mentions she wasn't allowed to house pets as Holle was allergic. This either means everything I said is wrong or Holle felt guilty about what she had done and didn't want a pet that reminded her of her sacrifice.
The tapestry that you mention is an interesting lead but I honestly thought that would be more connected to Ozzy and perhaps Walpurga? The hunter kind of reminds me of Ozzy with the hair covering his eyes and the hat and Walpurga has shown that she can shape her form into different humans, so a unicorn doesn't seem too far fetched. But admittedly I'm kind of at my wits end here as I don't recall anyone ever mentioning anything about Holle having a husband/girlfriend/soulmate of sorts and them being a were-deer does sound kind of...unique o.o
If you figure it out let me know, as I would like to make a lore video and this part here is giving me quite a headache.
@@Rhentsi haha, the were-deer thing is more of a crack-theory than anything. But not that outlandish when you consider that Walpurga and Ozzy with his vassals are a Thing in the world of LGTS.
Honestly, the tapestry thing itself is pretty vague. The way I think its story goes is that the hunter offers the white lady a ring (which is quite easy to interpret as a marriage proposal or some kind of other union), the lady rejects, I think? At first I thought it was the ring offered by the hunter we see on her neck as a unicorn, but looking more closely its some sort of pendant that can be seen on her human form too. Later the hunter hunts her (presumably for her rejection?) and she gets replaced by an eaten apple. It's interesting to consider in your Ozzy and Walpurga theory because it could mean that Ozzy first asked for Walpurga's permission, but upon her refusal used her grove anyway...? Again It is very vague.
(Also, as I was writing this, although the current LGTS wiki is very sparse it is interesting that her wiki page lists Walpurga's hair colour as white, while it is often just the go-to for elderly characters, it is an interesting similarity between the unicorn lady and Walpurga, just like the hunter's similarity with Ozzy)
(Even more, I looked up Walpurga appearing before Elise for the first time scene, and isn't it weird that in order to get to Ozzy one needs to present three gifts that are carried in the basket ('A womb, carrier of life - your basket is to hold all that is sacred") provided by Walpurga? One golden maiden specifically mentions that many of other gold girls are from Kieferberg ("Our beloved Kieferberg"), that would suggest that Walpurga's forest is a well established way to Ozzy's domain. That suggests some sort of long cooperation between her and Ozzy. But who knows, for all we know Ozzy is a dirty freeloader that doesn't pay rent and Walpurga is just pissed about him being able to do the one thing she can't. Just theorizing ¯\_(ツ)_/¯)
@@olddesert4497 Walpurga said when she first spoke to Elise that the good company is the object of her affections. I thought with that it was implied Holle sacrificed her husband in order to get a child. They were soulmates favored by the Lord, but Holle not being able to bear a kid was straining the relationship. Later, when Elise gets the basket and Walpurga shows up again, she was talking about reuniting with Elise so she could "bear life in her womb once more." I think what happened is that Ozzy took some of Walpurga's power in making Elise, weakening the witch
It feels like her grandmother did sacrificed her lover as the Good Company & the demon used that sacrifice as a way to create a baby Elise
She definitely sacrificed him, but that's not enough to actually make a deal with the Strange Boy. The Good Company, the Sweetest Nectar and the Tender Flesh are gifts, they're a courtesy that gets you to the negotiating table, that's where you actually offer up a sacrifice to him. She gave him her husband *and* something else we don't know of.
@morriganlefay5438 Yeah, getting the testaments is just an 'entance fee' just to the audience with Ozzy and his cronies. It's an unfair deal imo.
@@morriganlefay5438 maybe she gave him the rest of her lifetime? she seems younger in the tapestry and as a golden girl, perhaps the deal was that she'd become an old woman and lived just enough to see elise turn 18
@@bestwaifuonearth but wouldn't Kieferberg folks be suspicious of Holle immediately? I think She just looks younger as a golden girl bc ozzy made it that way for all golden girls no matter how old they are when they reach out to him
@@s0ap_eater1405 not all golden girls remain like that: at the end of the bad endings, elise is a golden maiden and she has the same outfit as the one she wore later in like (when she died). also, nothing really indicates holle interacted with the town often. the cinematic of the intro only shows her in the woods, everyone suspects she's a witch, and only the priest knows about the deal she did with ozzy
From what I get that Elise grandma wished for a baby girl that she lacked and used the deer as a sacrifice for what she wanted. Kinda sad if you think about it
No, the deer I think is symbolism for Walpurga, who had some portion of herself taken by "Him" to create Elise. When making a deal with Him, you have to sacrifice the person you love, so in this case we can infer that Holle sacrificed her husband in order to have Elise.
@@GamerJosh2611 Alleged husband, possible secret wife. Heck maybe even an ace life partner. XD
@@GamerJosh2611 ooooh yeah that makes more sense. That she has the red slipper in the end of the story so it makes sense
@@kymo6343 While I am always one for considering the possibility of a wife rather than a husband... the fact that they were trying for a child in their time period implies that it's a man
@@GamerJosh2611 I suppose so, but since it didn't explicitly state so, and since there's all kinds of witchery afoot, just saying it's fair enough if someone else has a different headcanon.
i am confused. if Walpurga is the witch then why is everyone in town worshipping St. Walpurga? isnt that the same person?????
It's said in the priest's notes that Walpurga was born a witch but was then baptized, that's why she was adopted by the church,she is said to be benevolent but i guess because a fragment of her soul was took from her, she's willing to do anything to be whole again?
@@joaosdoppelgangeriminsidey1739 Or they made a false image of walpurga as something directed to the churt while the followers of the real walpurga were killed off.
Ok, I kinda get it, but what of the old lady that want with Elise in most endings?
The old lady is Walpurga, the spirit of the forest that Him used to make Elise. Walpurga desires to be human by taking Elise's body.
@@littleinksheep9318 To be human? To be free from Him?
@@corrinagaia To be a real woman and carry life, actually.
So um is none goona talk about how elise was born from a deer cus hollie used a deer and so the demon used the deer as her womb so tecnecly the dead dear is her mother wellp ellise is a deer
A demon-deer to be exact XD
If possible can you do a video of the death animations? The ones who appear when you die to an enemy.
There you go:
czcams.com/video/ZBYvdLMKD_U/video.html
@@Rhentsithank you!
Who's the actress who voiced Elise?
Diana Garnet
What is the song that plays during this scene in the OST? I never found it :c
If you mean the music for the golden maidens then its "Golden Phantasmagoria". If you mean the creepy music before that, then I have no idea :3
@@Rhentsi yesss the creepy music 😭
How do you get in this room?!
I seem to remember it showing after you solve the puzzle with the sliding pieces on the wall. It basically ends up being an image of Elise's home. It was pretty hard and took me at least a half an hour or more
how do you get this scene
Right at the beginning of Wednesday Witching Hour you need to collect all 3 stone tiles and use them to solve the sliding puzzle in the center. Afterwards you move north into the next area.