Let's Repair & Save This 1980 Atari Centipede Arcade Game!
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"Damn Spider!" said everyone who has ever played Centipede.
Ain't that the truth :)
"Fucker!" is always my response. And a fucker it is.
I just discovered an arcade near my house because you got me wanting to play pinball. They have a centipede game, but since it’s October, the centipedes are ghosts and the mushrooms are tombstones. When you kill a spider it says “Ahh” or “boo” instead of 100. Pretty cool.
That’s pretty cool they took the time to update it 😀
Ron: I won't service a trackball, just replace the whole thing. Also Ron: I'm gonna solder this super fine wire back onto the voice coil of this speaker.
I would absolutely rebuild a trackball if I thought it worked.... when you resolder the speaker it definitely works :)
Hey you guys if anyone remembers the Atari 2600 I did actually used to have the trackball controller that was compatible with that game system I think I was the only one that I knew of them had it that the time until later on that somebody had it for theirs.
The reason being is that my father realized I was really good at some of the games and knew that the originals use to track ball and he thought that I might get better at the game if I had the right controller for it instead of using a joystick and unlike want to play it more and get more enjoyment out of it and also there were other games that I did like that were compatible with the trackball Ft worth getting the controller as an accessory and any other game by God eventually they could use it I would have it it might have been at Christmas or birthday or maybe some lunch special occasion can't remember also later on once I had to stop playing the Atari and gotten another system it might have been a stop playing first can't remember but I do know later I did get the original Nintendo the American version of course also one of my favorite games was Dig Dug also remember midnight magic which was actually a pretty good pinball game for the Atari also with some technical details on that game with the Marquis which I was actually kind of surprised I don't know if this is comely done in arcade cabinets or not but in terms of Technical and safety wise having the speaker terminals AKA contacts in the same connector as line voltage going to the fluorescent fixture?
That does not really sound like a good practice and sound very safe to me but it could be that I miss something in the video and there was another connector but I didn't see one.
And I've heard that video game cabinets the power is isolated from ground at least some of them with an isolation Transformer is this the case or no or is it a rarity from what I understand that sometimes to see rtak I'm under it's the only thing that's. I slave from ground in those machines.
If you could clarify some things like this it would probably appreciate it but not just me but others as well.
Also I got a couple of fluorescent lights out of old war arcade machines that someone had scrapped four parts that of course we're not worth refurbishing or anything I think some of the speakers that I had in my workshop were actually from arcade cabinets if I'm not mistaken.
I know for sure when my test speakers was an arcade speaker.
The amplifier I actually built myself first amplifier ever built at least from scratch.
I remember I had panels that you danced to my work bench with every different impedance of speaker that I would normally use for testing purposes and yes there's a fuse in line of each one of them.
And yes I used in isolation Transformer on my bench as well it's a big Transformer that was in a box at the bottom of my setup.
I had an outlet box on top of my bench that had separate outputs for different things and even a voltmeter that would measure line voltage whenever the power was on that would also allow me to check for issues if there was any question on a line voltage issue.
Also had a couple plug in line voltage meters didn't need them very often but if we had something acting up I would check the line voltage first if it could be caused by that.
One time I remember all the lights in the house for dim the line voltage had dropped drastically needless to say unplugged everything motorized in Total Wine voltage return to normal and other things as well course.
After that I came up with a design for a high and low voltage alarm that would sound if the voltage Rose too high or too low or went too low.
I didn't have a habit of putting a line voltage meter in some of my equipment I built just to keep the tab on things because where we stayed We did have a chance to see occasionally to have problems with the line voltage.
after several years we didn't have any more issues turns out it was something with the utility equipment that was causing the issues if I'm not mistaken there was too many houses on the same utility Transformer at that time.
and if there was a lot of load such as AC units being on and other things the voltage would sag.
As well as I noticed eventually there was a voltage regulator Upstream that was not there before as well so between those things things were better.
note this section below is later on many many years later different location as well And an entirely different area of the United States.
Also several years ago don't remember how many where I was in Arkansas we had a blackout dad dark out almost everyone in the area almost the entire city and Moore was dead in the water.
and they had afterwards been installing sexualizer equipment and more to prevent that from ever happening again.
poor design of the grid system I'd say.
there was one point somewhere that took out the entire system there should not be one single failure that takes out the entire Grid in the entire area from one line fault.
from what I understand it was just a tree limb let it cross the line somewhere took out the entire area ouch.
and you did mention about how line voltage can be lower honey I think it and you did mention about how line voltage can be lower honey I think it was Amazing Spider- and you did mention about how line voltage can be lower or higher I think it was Amazing Spider-Man video when you're talking about the bridge rectifier being defective. Actually open circuit which I agree is very odd and rare usually feel short circuit as you'd said.
I prefer to diodes in rectifiers as having jumper Envy they want to become a jumper when they go bad AKA Short Circuit.
this is often a problem with reverse polarity protection diodes in equipment. Short when they are put in the service for their reason of being in existence.
so if anyone were to be repairing something that would have a reverse polarity protection diode and it's not working check that before replacing any fuses or do we in the other work.
because there's a good chance that that reverse polarity protection diode may be shorted if it has one and then you destroy whatever other work you may do or cause worse damage sometimes Warren just blown fuses or trip circuit breakers.
just thought I would point it out might save someone from a real headache when working on something.
and also I do know that in some equipment not just arcade cabinets but there may be long and voltage and Signal voltage and low voltage mixed on the same connectors watch out for this it could be a real shocker if you don't realize it.
I once saw a d-sub connector is that was a normal one that carry both signal low voltage power in line voltage on the same 25-pin d-sub connector and some sort of controls as well can't remember was on but when I saw this piece of equipment I'm like why would you ever do that it just seems bad idea and dangerous.
also on the same piece of equipment one of the male connectors that Caribe line voltage and was accessible from the outside.
and yes no power interlocking of any type for those circuits either just don't do it add supposedly ul-listed at that don't know where is made but I suspect China.
but you hadn't seemed like a decent piece of equipment that been wall design other than those faults which were probably could be considered lethal.
again I can't remember what this was but it might have been something that roll people would not just have that might have been War for 4 take again I can't remember what this was but it might have been something that roll people would not just have that might have been War for 4 take her application again I can't remember what this was but it might have been something that roll people would not just have that might have been War for 4 take her again I can't remember what this was but it might have been something that roll people would not just have that might have been War for 4 take her application again I can't remember what this was but it might have been something that roll people would not just have that might have been War for 4 take her application that somebody that would again I can't remember what this was but it might have been something that roll people would not just have that might have been War for 4 take her application that somebody that would be an everyday person that would not know what they're doing would even be around it but who knows.
But then again I've gotten ahold of and repaired Etc a lot of stuff was just for Salvage though equipment that may have been designed like this and who knows where a law that stuff came from.
the majority of stuff like that would automatically get scrapped if there was any thing that would be questionable or if it was not useful.
I'd say like 75% or more of a equipment I would get would be a scrap for parts or repurposed.
@@aaronbrandenburg2441 Aaron, I definitely remember that there was a Trackball controller for the 2600. I didn't own a 2600, but I had an Atari 800 XL computer and it came in quite handy for many of the games I did own. I also remember getting the game Track & Field for my birthday and a special controller that resembled the arcade came with it. You can view that here tinyurl.com/TrackandFieldcontroller. There was also one for the Atari 5200. It was a fair size box with the trackball in the middle and a keypad on either side. You can view that here. tinyurl.com/5200trackball. Growing up in the 80s gives me the ability to remember some of the best games ever made.
Hey there yes Agreed 100% And yes I remember everything that you would said in your comment about those controllers as well yeah Good Times back in the day they had some weird game controllers over the years and now you've got one with like what is it 30 some buttons for Steel Battalion that's probably got to be the most complex game system controller there is but they have some systems are more complicated for computer games but for a specific system and such I think that was PC but I cannot remember but I've seen some setups where there is more than one controller that would be used to create the controllers 4 input for some games at least on PC it would be old by USB but the controller in quote marks would actually be multiple devices but just grouped As One controller you could say such as some sort of simulator but individual controls would be connected to the PC to act as one if you get what I'm saying.
@@aaronbrandenburg2441 Atari Inc definitely released Trak-Ball controllers for their consoles. Dan Kramer designed them after consulting with Mike Albaugh (sic) in Atari Coin - as the arcade division was known before it was sold off and became Atari Games Inc/Corp after July 1984 - who had designed the arcade Trak-Balls. The first one was the CX22. There's 2 versions of it: the first with "Atari 2600" emblazoned on it, and the second one which omitted that but added a switch to switch modes between joystick emulation and native Trak-Ball mode. However, none of the 2600 games were programmed to support the native Trak-Ball mode on account of Atari Inc trying to save itself from going down the drain after the industry crash of 1983 and the successor Atari Corp didn't apparently have the resources to add the native Trak-Ball mode to existing games. However, the home brew programmers over at AtariAge Dot Com have added native Trak-Ball support to a slew of 2600 games since then. You can buy them on cartridges from their store or download the ROMs and play them on your 2600 if you have a Harmony or Uno SD Cartridge Adapter. The CX22 does work on the Atari 8-bit computers [400/800/XL/XE lines] and the XE Game System. The 8-bit version of Missile Command had native Trak-Ball mode support built into it. And the homebrewer/cracker who called himself "Glenn the 5200 Man" in the early 80s ported a bunch of enhanced 5200 games with built in Trak-Ball support back over to the Atari 8-bits so a CX22 or a CX80 could be used to play them properly in native mode. It was totally unauthorized but even Atari Corp's UK division sold his ported version of Centipede on disk for the 8-bits in the late 80s. The CX80 was designed by Atari Inc's Home Computer Division to supposedly match the XL computer line better. The ball itself seems to have higher resolution on it so movement is faster. After 1985, there were more than a few Atari ST and Amiga computer dealers and enthusiasts who'd buy the CX80s and convert them into mice replacements for their computers. Then there's the awesome CX53 Trak-Ball for the Atari 5200 which is reason enough to buy that console. Dan Kramer knocked that controller out of the park and there's numerous 5200 titles that natively support it such as Missile Command, Pole Position, Galaxian, Centipede, Millipede, Space Invaders, Castle Crisis [Warlords], Xari Arena, Super Breakout, Tempest, etc. GCC, who designed the 7800 upon orders from Atari Inc's former parent company Warner [later Time Warner and now Warner Media as part of AT&T], designed their own version of the CX22 for the 7800 but it wasn't released. They embedded native support for it in the commercial version of 7800 Centipede but it didn't work with the CX22 or CX80 in native mode. Since then, the late AtariAge user Kenfused added native Trak-Ball support to the game to support the CX22 and the CX80 and AtariAge sells it in their store as "7800 Centipede-TB". It is glorious, especially the 2-player co-op mode if you have 2 Trak-Balls for it.
Nice job! Thank you for preserving another classic!
Thank you for watching Chris we appreciate it!
At 34k points the game is throwing stuff at ya so fast, I can't even imagine the difficulty at 67k!
this brings back memories of going up to my grandparent's house and they had a Centipede Arcade cabinet in their garage along with a Street Fighter 2 cabinet and me and my brother used to play it a lot since they were always on Freeplay of course
Joe has all those nice games , and you as his personel? He must be a proud shop owner .
Yup he's got it made!
Centipede is my favorite - thanks for saving another one. You are making me consider swapping my trackball. I will have to measure my original vs a new trackball I have laying on my bench for a project.. I had not thought the ball may be smaller! The rollers were trash before I rebuilt it. The project may end up with the Centipede one..
Report back what you find, you know if it's plastic and the steel wore the plastic had to wear even worse....
@@LyonsArcade OK - I did it. Just to be 100% sure - I popped apart the brand new trackball and it measured a perfect 2 1/4" on my calipers. The Original Centipede trackball is exactly 1/32" smaller than the new one.. I didn't have them both apart at the same time to test the new trackball in the original case with the rebuild kit to see if the diameter mattered.. However - I'd guess that the 1/32" diameter difference "could" change the play as the original trackball plays (with the rebuild kit) slower than the new one.. Maybe the rollers pinch just a little bit.. Not sure.. I did set a new high score (217,896) on my machine on one try.. Centipede is my best game.. Purists can put the original ball in the bottom of the cabinet - if you want to play the game.. the new trackball plays great.
That there was some fine ass playin'! I often wonder if todays generation knew the struggles we faced daily fighting supreme beings from other places. Another rockstar episode!!
I know, I find myself saving the galaxy often!
@@LyonsArcade Well, in this case, the garden.
When I worked in the arcade we had this guy who would come in in a suit and would play centipede. Everyone called him the professor, I don't know why. I'd always have to throw him out because he'd get really mad and kick or punch the machine. I tried to be nice, but when I saw him drop kick the coin door I started being tougher on him. He'd just get so worked up over that game.
Billy Mitchell before the fame. 😂
Billy's always been famous :)
I've had a few people do stupid crap in my store, it did not end well for them.
@@LyonsArcade Do you mean famous or infamous?
You didn't beat your "warm up " ouch ! 😂😂👍
I'm like that in bowling too. First game is always the best. LOL
Hey Ron - Another great video! I don't like to support Jeff Bee-zawz but if I ever DID get something from Amazon I think i might be tempted to send you some kind of cleaner to wipe off that multi-meter! You must have something like 20 years worth of grime on there! Thanks again for another info-taining video and please keep them coming. :)
That grime keeps my immune system function at top level, that's how I was able to completely destroy the Corona. See you on the next video :)
I used to build me a tunnel of mushrooms and sit in one place just a firen' away.
I never get time to do it, I'm too busy trying to shoot 'em :)
Which is why millipede has a level where the field changes. Millipede is maybe one of the hardest games ever in terms of reaction speed and timing. Best I can do in one full game is 205,000. For 12kbyte code (16kbyte for Millipede) it is pretty powerful.
Another great repair and restoration video! I would always head for Centipede in the arcades! You did very well playing it!
Thank you Grfeld84 we appreciate you watching with us :)
I never liked Centipede back in the day.... now I know it was just because I was playing it wrong! Awesome game!!!
It's one of the best, for sure!
I spent too much money getting good at Centipede when it came out in the early 80s, but after tons of practice I could play for over two hours on 1 quarter. Highest score was 2,284,990. When I achieved this level I could play for at least 30 minutes before dying. I played in a competition in NY and was blown away by a master who topped my 2,356,580 by about 8 million! I gave up after that!
There's always someone better man, don't feel too bad. That's why I don't even particularly try to get good at them, I just try to enjoy it, ha. Thanks for watching P F!
Looks beautiful! Those sounds bring back so many memories.
The sound effects back in the day were so great, every sound nearly perfect :)
Nice fix on the speaker. Those little wires can be a bear to solder. You guys ever do a "Marble Madness"? I looked through your videos and didn't see one. That was my favorite Atari arcade game from that period.
I've never had a Marble Madness but if I get one in you'll see it :) Very fun game, I used to play the NES version all the time when I was a kid. It was like a different universe.
Loved Marble Madness from Atari Games. Supposedly, the Tengen Japan version for the Sega Mega Drive [Genesis] - not to be confused with EA's version for the Genesis or say the Amiga computer - is the best version of it since it used source code from the arcade original. Tengen could do that since they were a house brand of Atari Games. There's conflicting reports about it having native support for the Sega Mouse and the Sega Sports Pad trackball from the Sega Master System. Unfortunately, the Sports Pad has about half of the resolution as the Atari CX22 for the 2600/7800 and the Atari 8-bit computers.
@@LyonsArcade hey I had that cartridge for the NES I did not realize that it was based on an arcade cabinet and did not realize it was on the other systems either nor that it would support trackball or Mouse? But yeah great game and yes eventually made all the way through it but with a big wet Downs on the Nintendo was Tetris the official version that is in case anyone wonders why all of a sudden it just says success in the belief was around and all that and the end basically we're all other versus Tetris at least on computers just keep on going forever well for the technically minded and curious RAM memory issues which is as follows not enough RAM so essentially if it would have allowed to continue it probably would have looked like The Kill screen from Pac-Man or something like that but in Nintendo or it would probably just crash but what really knows what happens as far as I know if a Nintendo Where to run out of ram in the game with the Atari things would start to overwrite the things that were on screen when certain things would happen because back then it was not really conceived that anyone would make it that far for one thing and the other was the way things were programmed and also the way it used things for certain other purposes which would lead to corruption like that on screen that is possible on the nest and other systems for one thing that's why in some games like some of the Mario games weird things can happen and get random garbage on screen under certain conditions some people think that this might be Wyatt some of the minus worlds are there or at least something similar to Amaya's world except depending on what happens on screen it just gets more and more glitchy and glitches out there are some that change even as you move a character on the screen the glitch Greenville change dynamically as in every movement also has anyone ever seen the dose version for RBM of Super Mario Brothers I don't know if it was actually official but only actually used to play Super Mario Brothers on it and older IBM compatible computer in Das although to sound really sucked obviously usually had turned off all the way but once I got used to play on the keyboard I was actually pretty good at Super Mario Brothers on the computer this was not a fan game or anything this was actual software you could buy the store believe it or not I actually want up getting this before I wind up getting the Nintendo it was either birthday or Christmas? I do believe but it may not have been but also my friends that come up with a device that could allow you to plug in a Nintendo controller into I think it was the printer port lpt1 parallel Fairport either or It Was a Serial port it may have been the cereal for but can't remember also I did hear of thereafter that would allow me to plug Atari controllers into the computer again it was due to parallel port also I build a custom switch box that went to the computer for the joystick Port once we got a sound card that had a breakout box in back for custom stuff and also the midi ports add built-in joystick splitter and also front panel ports 410 you want to plug all the time and change her out then several joystick ports on the rear of it so you just turn the knob to select which one you needed at the time.
One of the reasons I did this was to say wear and tear on cables and ports as well as well as I also had male female short cables to as port savers to save on wear and tear on connectors.
And I left room in that box for other accessories which red surrounded such as addition Fort switches for other ports and other Hardware that could be built in that would use one of our other ports such as to joystick adapter is wherever she adapted to go inside the Box eventually that box grew to about the size of the computer it had so much other Hardware in it it was just my own design but modular and I'm still proud of that to this day.
Also it did have a built-in power supply as well and even had a cigarette lighter Jack for 4 volts DC around about 10 amps or so and also horse had our voltage connections coming out the rear also empowered the internal devices as well and our speakers as well also it had input output jacks on the front they could be switched and even auxiliary inputs so if you weren't using the speakers for computer audio you can use them for external and even a mixer so that you can mix computer sound and other auxiliary again this is fully custom obviously and eventually I even added hey Fair extra salvaged CD-ROM drive so that you could play CDs without having the computer on and yes line in line out of course occasionally I would either hook in my walkman or other device also later on we had better speakers and I have a fire it would not need to put to walk then into that and also was powered by the same unit how somebody had given me a car stereo system and the speakers and that was actually mounted in a scrap computer tower which I can try what was in there but there was other things as well and I believe I moved to CD ROM drive to there because the car radio only had cassette not CD talk about customizing things
For removing the glue. Peanut butter would work but any type of oil also works. When we were kids we would even use butter to get glue or tar off our hands. Followed by washing with soap or detergent. I saw Jason used some type of solvent. Seemed to work pretty well but it's kind of bad to breathe.
If you get it pretty smooth you can just leave the glue on and glue to the glue :)
Another great repair! Thank you for the tip about Phoenix Arcade, I just ordered a new Space invaders Deluxe Control Panel Overlay.
Very cool :) Yes he makes great stuff!
I grew up in Florida and became really good friends with the manager of my local Tilt arcade. He had a few games of his own and I would help him place them in various sandwich shops and pizza parlors and told them that we would split the money 50/50. I recall to this day that he had an old Defender cabinet where the motherboard was completely fried. He acquired the board to the original Street Fighter II. It took us about a week to make the necessary modifications to get SF II up and running perfectly. We played until we were sick. We put that game in a local pizza parlor and instead of charging the normal 2 coins to start and 1 to continue, we set it up for 1 coin to start and continue and made a ton of money for the parlor and us.
Yup that's how it used to work, kit those suckers into something that will still make money and get rich :) People get all mad people kitted games... but if you think about it, he never would have fixed that Defender, he probably would have trashed it eventually... instead he turned it into something people could play, and now the cabinet is still out there somewhere for a collector, it probably already got turned back into a Defender by now.
When it goes out of focus like that, It's exactly how it looked to me when I was playing this as a kid. I hadn't been to an eye doctor yet so I had no idea I needed glasses. Imagine my surprise when I learn all those little sprites had details like legs and eyes
hahaha that's horrible. I guess your parents didn't really have any way of knowing though, glad you got some glasses though, there's a whole sharp world out there! Thanks for watching James.. clearly :)
@@LyonsArcade That reminds me. Joe, do you know the shadow mask dot pitch of the original CRTs used for Centi/Millipede? I have tweaked a CRT emulator for MAME which looks great (on a 5K monitor, including CRT curvature)but I never could find that bit of information. Are they 12 or 14 inches viewable?
Another awesome video sir. Keep doing what you do in keeping gaming history alive.
Why thank you twitch6000 I appreciate you watching!
My golly gee willikers Mr. You sure are smart!
Why Thank you, Beav!
The same power supply that’s in centipede and other Atari games require a new master cap after 100,000 plays
Nice game I just got my centipede fully working
Very cool, it's a great game! Top 5 ever????
I'd be willing to bet this game has the highest yelling and cursing level, ever. Centipede and Millipede.
Yup mostly at that spider lol
@@LyonsArcade That spider is indeed a fucker. How they Packed this game into 12Kbyte code... They don't code like that anymore
Great job as usual!
You are right that the ball gets smaller. I’ve found that the rods don’t change much if any, the plastic ball loses. I recently changed to a phenolic cue ball and it made all the difference. Cheap fix.
Yeah you know if it wears away that metal AT ALL it's got to be tearing the hell out of that plastic ball! You can get brand new ones but I dunno I just like putting a whole new assembly, the used ones I never can get to feel as good as a used one.... and i'm the type I try to reuse every single thing on it!
HELL. YES. This was the first arcade game I ever played. I'd bug my mom for quarters so I could play while we were doing laundry at the laundromat. Was around 1995 or so.
I don't even know if they have games in the laundromats anymore... guess I need to go check :)
Dang. You are good at Centipede. I never made it that far.
Meh, i'm decent :)
The heat gun looks like a hairdryer.
But I am pretty sure that using it as a hairdryer would be a bad idea.
Yes do not use that as a hair dryer!
2 weeks ago, my wife and I were using an electric heat gun whilst applying some printed vinyl to a friends camper van (using heat to stretch the vinyl around corners etc). That interestingly shaped grill on the heat guns nozzle is now permanently branded onto my arm because I leaned towards the wife whilst she held the gun. Looks like a BBQ grill tattooed on my arm..!! _Ouch!!_ (I may have used some colourful language at the time...)
Wow that's horrible! Maybe it'll clear up :) When my sister was little she sat down on one of those old floor grills for the furnace they used to have in old houses, and the grill burnt the back of her legs like that.
@@LyonsArcade I think you're talkin about an old floor furnace because the other girls usually did not get that hot and forced air systems but I had heard from my mother had stepped on one of those more than once at our place has not their place.
A little eucalyptus oil on a tissue would remove this glue in less than a minute. Eucalyptus oil is not oily at all. It leaves no residue. It cleans playfields, metal plungers, stepping units, and even pinball rubbers. It is a fantastic product for pinball repair and restoration.
This is great. I have a full size Centipede and always wanted a video like this.
Today is JUST FOR YOU :)
@@LyonsArcade I am honored! I have a fully recapped monitor and new wiring. This video will be on repeat all day while I work. Big ups from Las Vegas.
@@d-complexakasnypermclivedr9549 Good luck it's a great game :)
The spider sound is still one of my all time favourite arcade sounds!
Yeah it's pretty awesome! Back then they really made some cool sound effects, they knew they had to be perfect. Some companies still do that, like for instance the Nintendo switch "snap" is pretty iconic already.
Nice job, lads! 😎😎
Thanks Cliff :)
Man, I loved Centipede! I remember scoring a whopping 35,500-ish and being damned proud of it! Machine looks great, Ron, wish I was closer to come get it. I later became addicted to millipede, but that’s a story for another day.
Yes Millipede is awesome too, tougher though!
What's your Hiscore on Millipede? I've gotten to 205,000. 470k when started from 300k.
Played this as part of a high score challenge, nowhere near you guys. Great job on another machine 👍
It's really a fun game to try to get better at!
Right as I am typing, phoenix arcade site is experiencing really long load times...
Joe, I think you just _slashdotted_ them! :D
(internet old timers will know what I mean by this)
LOL Well I hope we get Darin some sales he's the man even if he is trying to exercise himself to death :)
Nice fun game! 👍
It's one of the best ever, definitely top 10 of all time in my opinion!
carriage bolts, very cool.
So your hand doesn't hit :)
Don’t forget to replace the main power supply capacitor
Gotta love those 4 bolts retrofitted around the trackball. Wonder how many of those caved into the cabinet before they did that.
Great vid as usual Ron 👍🏻
I think that's how they did them from the beginning, they knew it wouldn't hold up :)
I've never seen a _Centipede_ without those 4 bolts. I think that's stock from the factory, not something retrofitted.
Joe is a man of a few words.... LOL
Joe says..... yup.
Joe did a fine job on that overlay application. And I am a picky bastage, as you well know.
Aw thanks Gary :) You're not a bastard, you're a harmless little fuzzball
"Garden scum" :D Centipede is such a great game and I suck so hard at playing it (have a cabaret plus an upright at my buddies place). The green t-molding looks really snappy.
That's what we're going for is Snappy :)
Sir, good enough for gov't work Joe! Ron I wish they made a controller trackball its all I'd ever need.
Yeah I don't know why nobody's done that yet... they could even put all the circuitry to turn it from analog to digital inputs, I guess it wouldn't be perfect like that though. Part of the thrill of Centipede is the faster you spin the faster it moves!
Hi Joe, I'm really excited about Centipede. I also enjoy playing it on my MAME machine. I couldn't imagine doing handicrafts so well. Because electronics in my hands is not a good idea. Because I have mason's hands by nature and can only do them for good, rough work. But also the association in Germany in Hessen in the small town "Seligenstadt" has this machine. Look under "For Amusement Only e.v." purely
We need people to do rough work too, somebody built the cabinet that's lasted all this time :) Thanks for watching rk2018 sk2018 we appreciate you hanging out with us :)
@@LyonsArcade You're right, Joe, maybe I should make a boarding and cast a concrete arcade case. I could build such a formwork :-) Only the transport should be very difficult. My second tip is the distributor of "Stern" machines who also has a pinball hall. It's called "Freddy's Pinball Paradise". He has 170 pinball machines from the 60s to new models from the 2020 year. Oh yes, the pinball machine is normally called "Flipper" machine.
I took a lot of photos of these machines on my Google photo bank. Would love to show you this.
You should do a crystal castles sometime
I love me the Atari stuff Ron...cabinet turned out nice! BTW, what's that console in the display cabinet? Looks like a really old 4-player pong machine of some sort?
It is! It's got 4 different games on it and 4 paddles :)
The white fire buttons which are yellowed due to age can be 'whitened' back to normal by using Bleach. I've done this a few times.
Classic man!
You're first today :)
@@LyonsArcade Thanks brother!
at 5.40 pulling off the old overlay it looks like darth vader or is it just my imagination.
No you're right, that was Darth Vader!
My Centipede cocktail has the exact same worn spots around the trackball.
I guess it's from people resting their wrist on the cpo...
a solid pre-watch like!
Why thank you :)
@@LyonsArcade as a car painter we wrestle with fuxxing glue from stickers and decals all day long. i tell you Glasurit 360-4 Metal Cleaner turns all types of glue to fluffy gel. its a well known trick-o-the trade brother
Thanks man!
So let me explain it’s a funny piece of gaming history Atari would chop up centipede cabs and use the wood to assemble the light bezel holder for crystal castles and several crystal castles where converted to dig dug Australia and centipede
Actually, I think it is 6.9 ohms because it was measured in the circuit, so you are reading across the amplifier. I've measured speakers out of circuit and they do read as 8 ohms (or 7.999, 8.001, or whatever).
Shout out toThe American Dream!
He's just a common man.....
This game is playing faster than the ones I played back in the 80s
Everything is moving faster
I remember it took a while to count at the end, and I played it a lot and know the timing and sounds and this is faster
Is it the clock timing or the CPU ?
They must have made different newer boards that are faster like this than the original ones.
arcadeshop.com is showing that trackball as out of stock now, grr! I need a trackball and spinner for my custom build upright MAME build.
That green t-molding is POG!
Is POG like PEG? Cyndi Lauper explains the PEG Principle to Johnny Carson... .czcams.com/video/t-yis9av6xc/video.html
@@LyonsArcade It's a Twitch thing. I am hep to all the kid slang 🤣
I need help with the track ball it gets stuck
I have a modded XBOX with a few thousand old arcade games, not sure if this is a standard image that can be loaded, but one of the things I noticed was that I can't play the games that needed a trackball, because the XBOX doesn't have anything except their standard controllers.
I have the USB adapter, that allows me to plug in a USB stick into the connector where the controller would normally go, but I don't know if a generic USB trackball would work on an XBOX
I think it would need drivers to allow the input from the trackball to feed to the game.
I think you're right :) They might not be able to decipher the input....
@@LyonsArcade I just saw a forum post that says that it can (sort of). Some guy with woodworking skills found a USB mouse that will work with the XBox, disassembled it, hacked the encoders to invert the output (because a trackball is really just an inverted mouse), and built a six-button housing for it, to use with CoinOPS.
CoinOPS is an emulator front-end that lets you play arcade classics and classic console games on your XBox. (I've even seen someone using it to play the original Killer Instinct!)
Would this work with Raspberry Pi with the ROMs or a stand alone box that you can buy that has the VGA output and HDMI output and plays 6000 different games ? Pandora's Box ?
I have never seen one of these that has a trackball
It would be great if someone made one that has an interface box built in that it could plug in via USB or the other cable that is the standard joystick connection
A Pandora's Box with a trackball I have not seen. I don't know why they don't have one. There are other games that use a trackball.
My XBOX died.
So I am looking for an alternative
Goo gone work's great
We buy it by the gallon :)
As house of the rising sun plays in the background.
Yup I thought they were going to give us a strike for that one :)
Will you add the side graphics if customers cover the cost?
We probably would if they covered enough cost :) It's a big pain though. You have to make enough room to lay the game down... then you have to sand the sides perfectly flat. Then you have to remove all the t-molding, and carefully lay the art on, if you screw it up, congratulations, you just lost $200! The you have to trim the edges so they tuck under the t-molding but don't bubble up on the edges... then you have to reapply the t-molding, and then listen to the customer bitch about every little piece you got wrong or didn't do perfect because they're expecting perfect, brand new sideart.
So how much money would I need to be willing to subject myself to all that? :)
centipede!!
Yes it is!
Crystal castle conversion lol
Was the original artwork just spray painted over. Ive restored a mortal kombat 3 and tempest with just a good gallon of acetone to reveal the artwork
Unfortunately on this one they peeled it off.
Man that does suck cause centipede is such a nice piece of art. But it still looks great guys
@12:08 was that your stomach ? LOL
I hope!
Any place where you can get a willis overlay?
Unfortunately I've never seen anybody make them. That Willis one is so cool though...
I noticed when you had that coin door open and the mechanism removed there was a small bulb? That was flickering like mad float almost like a neon bulb almost what was that bulb was that a separate bulb for something then the illumination bulb on the coin door? Don't know that much about Arcade cabinets just curious what's going on with that or is it just reflected flicker from another it was just a way that the camera was?
There's a little slam switch on the door at that part that wiggles around while it's hanging off the door like that and it was reflecting light off the edge of it.
@@LyonsArcade thanks I noticed the wiring and wondering if it was moving later on but that makes sense because why would there be another bulb especially a neon which didn't seem to do anything useful but still good question if you don't ask you'll never know Etc
When you’ll do have a board you can’t fix who do you’ll use to fix it?
We rarely have a board we can't fix, but depending on which board it is you can find someone on the forums at www.KLOV.com who are able to repair it for you. Lots of arcade techs hang out on there.
RETRO BRIGHT look up a person called The 8 Bit Guy he is really good at doing retro bright.
Ron, that plastic is known to yellow from sunlight. People use hydrogen peroxide to brighten it back up.
The bottom of it under the control panel's yellowed too though, that's strange....
@@LyonsArcade Really? Then we're probably both wrong 🤷♂️
@David B. That's not _exactly_ how it works, but close enough. Essentially, heat and UV light destabilizes the bromine, creating free radicals that drift to the surface of the plastic, causing the yellowing. The hydrogen bonds to these free radicals and removes them from the plastic, restoring the original color. Now, there are a few _quid pro quos:_
Obviously, the peroxide can only bond to the free radicals on the surface of the plastic; it can't penetrate deep enough to pull them out from within the plastic. So over time (as little as one or two years, but potentially much longer), it will yellow again. To delay this process, after retrobrighting the plastic, apply a layer of UV protectant. I use "303 Aerospace Protectant", $7.17 a bottle on Amazon. And, obviously, since it's heat and UV light that causes the yellowing, keep it away from those two things.
There's also some concern that the retrobright process _might_ cause the plastic to get brittle (there haven't been any long-term studies on how it affects the plastic over time); but frankly, if it's THAT yellow due to UV exposure, the plastic is probably already pretty brittle anyway. I wouldn't worry about it unless it's going in a museum or is going to receive a lot of punishment.
Mine has red buttons on those red spots.. makes no sense why theres not here
Who doesn’t like centipede!
Everybody likes Centipede :)
Have you ever repaired someone's arcade and you remove a high score and the owner get mad? Just was wondering if someone was keeping a high score from a lost relative anf then you beat their score.
I've never had that happen but I could see them being mad about it!
1st step, put down the hammer!!!!!!!
Nothing was beaten or harmed in this video :)
Side Art????
Did you watch any of the video?
@DeadKoby One of the previous owners had removed it and/or painted over it. It's a pain in the ass to put new vinyl sideart on an arcade machine... it costs about $105 plus shipping for replacement artwork (per side, so let's say $250), and then you have to add the cost of labor to that. I asked a neighbor who does vinyl car wraps about it, and he said he wouldn't accept less than $200 in labor to put new vinyl on (both sides) because it's got to be sanded perfectly flat, the T-molding taken off, the vinyl has to be trimmed so it'll fit under the t-molding but won't bubble up on the edges, then the t-molding has to be put back on, etc. (And, as Ron says, you then have to listen to the customer bitch about every little imperfection.)
(Ron, in case you were wondering where he comes up with the figure of $200 for labor: An entire CAR is $500 to $600, unless they have to remove old vinyl first. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. If they do, the price then depends on how much of a pain in the ass the old vinyl wants to be... as much as $2500 if it starts to come off in pieces. On the other hand, they don't have to remove and replace t-molding, and the car's already perfectly smooth by the time it comes out of the bodyshop, so he might be lowballing.)
hahahaha, spoken like a true arcade nut.. Okay one more game...
Thanks PilotKid
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i block people who moan on my channel i cant stand it
Yup. I usually block a couple people a day, lol but really thousands watch and don't comment anything negative, and then over a hundred watch and have something to add, or a question, or a memory, or something positive or friendly to say, all those are my people! So really it's just a tiny tiny percent of the amount of people who watch that want to be negative nancies...
@@LyonsArcade i always think well wheres their video?? where is their arcade fix if they think they can do better you guys do a exelant job keeping the machines alive
Thank you!
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