How To Fix the Breville Dose Control Pro (BCG600SIL and BCG400SIL Coffee Grinders)
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- čas přidán 29. 08. 2024
- Full written repair instructions, equivalent to this video, are here: www.ifixit.com...
After one to three years the Breville BCG600SIL coffee grinder tends to start bogging down and jamming with a horrible clacking or ratcheting noise during grinding. The most common cause is a worn down plastic impeller that sits below the burrs. This video walks through the steps to repair the problem.
Replacement part source:
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I had a good tip from the Breville people when I called today: they told me to clean the machine thoroughly (take off the hopper and remove the first burr and clean as much as possible - I use a pointed, curved dental cleaning tool to do this) and then reassemble it and grind a 1/4 cup of dry, unseasoned, white rice through the grinder at maximal (large) grain size and this would absorb the oils that have been clogging my machine. It seems to have worked so far. I ran two batches of rice through it (one on coarse- and one on fine- grind) and it ground the rice very well. Later, I tried with coffee and it seems to be working normally again. I think I’ll do this every month to keep it as clean as possible.
This is awesome. Works a treat. You're starting/continuing a movement with this mate. Fix your stuff! Don't throw it out. Breville need a slap for making crap like this in this day and age, then not supplying parts.
A Workdwide mouvement should be started to force Breville to make repair parts available for all their products. Most of their products are quite attractive and do a great job but do not last because they use cheap parts made of plastic in critical components. I contacted them twice regarding a grinder and an expresso machine and each time I was told tough luck, we do not sell parts! Else BOYCOT the Company.
After so many years of using my breville grinder, the original impeller finally worn out. Today, I replaced the impeller with this new design. The change was quick and now the grinder is back in business. I hope this new impeller last me as everyone else. Thank you for your work.
My grinder is working fine. I came here to see how to remove the Upper Burr for cleaning (I needed so much force I thought I was doing something wrong and was going to break it) and stayed for the whole video. Excellent!
Thank you so much for sharing this. I was able to successfully repair my grinder with the recommended impeller part from the 3D printer and now it works like new again. No more clogging!
Watched the video while getting your impeller blade. Quite a process to change but works great. The things we do for coffee...
You could start with this video and make a second video, what to do when your Breville Dose Control Pro gets clogged up. That happened to me today, but thanks to your video, taking it apart (first time) and cleaning was very simple. I suspect a good cleaning is what most people will need, most of the time. Thank you for being so clear in how to do this!!
"Imagine not knowing this"...I didn't know about the three tabs holding the grind size collar on. Thank you!
Excellent video and great product! My grinder is back in business. I am disgusted that Breville would sell a product with such extreme planned obsolescence. The ghost of Harry Tuttle, heating engineer, salutes you sir!
That's exactly what I think, 9 months of use for this to happen is disgusting.
I just repaired my grinder with the repair you designed from Shapeways. Thank you so very very much!!! I totally would have been out of luck without your detailed video and printed part. It works perfectly. I appreciate you sharing your knowledge.
Thank you so much for making this guide and making the impeller. I found someone giving this grinder away for free because the impeller was worn out. $21 for a new impeller and I now have a really nice coffee grinder!
Many, many, many thanks for all the work you did (and shared)! My grinder has been running smoothly for over 3 weeks now. Five stars to you!
I cannot thank you enough! My grinder was done. Would not grind at all. I ordered the part, followed the instructions and it works like new!!! Saved me a ton of money. Thank you!
Thanks for putting the video together, exactly what I needed. Those hidden screws had me stumped.
Bought the impellor from you some time ago anticipating my 'replacement' grinder to fail. Breville by the way was awesome in replacing my first even after about a year and change as I had reported problems in the warranty period. Just finished following this outstanding tutorial. May be one of the best I have seen on youtube - so thank you and many kudos to you!!! One fully functioning grinder now in my coffee arsenal. Cheers
Excellent instruction! My machine now works perfectly. I don’t think I could have done the installation with the printed instructions that came with the replacement impeller. The extra detail in the video made the installation go without issues. Thank you!
Thank you so much for this! Just did the repair and it worked really well. I totally hated the idea of replacing the grinder due to a worn plastic part. Hats off to you for a job well done!
Perfect video. Very clear with lots of detailed explanation and camera angles. Thank you so much. Got my grinder working like a champ again 😎👍🏾
Thanks so much for your video and impeller design. Fixed my BCG600 today and went from grinding 14g (before) to 20g (after) of coffee in 10 seconds with more consistant diameter grinds. You saved one more coffee grind from the landfill!!
I am very impressed with your dedication to this grinder, a conductive filament would likely reduce the dust adherence on your 3d printed replacement part. Cheers. I picked up this model last night for 100 USD, thinking about doing your upgrade from the start.
It was such a waste to not fix them. Glad to see folks who don't mind doing these repairs getting a nice discount buying up the used ones. If you find anything new regarding dust adherence, shoot me a note and I'll add it to the iFixit writeup for everyone. Otherwise, hope you enjoy.
Just awesome. After about 6 months our machine could no longer grind beans for espressos. Additionally, we get our beans from a local roaster that produces fairly oily dark roast beans. This made matters worse because the oil from the grinds would clump up and clog the machine very quickly. I installed your impeller and it's now working like a beauty. I did couple of test runs with very oily beans and at an espresso grind and had no problems. Great product!
Excellent video - couldnt have done without this very detailed breakdown of the steps involved and the "gotchas" for the uninitiated! Thanks a lot
This worked out so well! Just replaced the impeller and tried it on the lowest grind setting and it produced a very fine grind. Amazing video and product - many thanks!
This is incredible! I purchased the BCG600SIL a year ago and have noticed that grinding for espresso (grind level set to approx 14), over time the grinder gets clogged, forcing me to manually adjust the coarseness during the grind. I've cleaned and taken apart the grinder and noticed that the impeller blade was indeed worn. Like you, I was told that there were no replacement parts and figured I was SOL. I've just submitted an order for your printed impeller and look forward to installation and testing this out. If all goes well, you've saved me a couple hundred dollars! Thanks for the upload!!
Thanks much for your detailed explanation I could manage to replace the impeller in no time. I didn't find the felt support under the original impeller though. Thanks to you the grinder is back to its glory days!
Thank you for your reverse engineering services! Replacement impeller order just placed on shapeways for my 6 year old grinder. Looking forward to another 6 years of coffee with this unit.
Thanks you! fixed mine too. Working perfectly, with the cleanup it’s like a brand new grinder! Really happy to also have help with the environnement. Broken device like this should be repair and not trashed away. #breville #fail #repair #parts #DIY 
new impeller worked perfectly.. Thanks for the video..
Just performed this repair with the revised part from Shapeways, it worked! Perfect, thank you so much for you work on this.
How did Shapeway know the shape of a brand new impeller? email me the answer please: gene@nagy.com Thanks, Gene
Thank you for an excellent and extremely helpful video. I was actually debugging a different problem on a BCG400- turned out to be a faulty power button. But the tips on the hidden screws, and how to get the upper and lower burr off were invaluable. Cheers.
I’ve had mine for about eight years. Never a problem works every morning. Don’t know why I’ve had no problems but I don’t want to jinx myself by talking about it.
AMAZINGLY HELPFUL! I am not a "I Fix It" kinda guy but I was able to do this! :D Next will be my wife's Breville BDC650 that is having similar problems with its grinder. We love our Breville machines (I have a BES920XL too) but our grinders crapping out in a year was about to cost Breville ALL of the good will they had built up with us from enjoying their products!
Do you make a similar part for the BDC650?
Thanks for the great compliment Randy! As for the BDC650 and BES920, those models are completely new territory for me. I know that in newer editions of their grinders (like the BCG820) Breville has switched to a steel-clad impeller that doesn't wear down, so I would check for that first to see if the impeller is indeed the culprit.
Thanks so much for making this and doing all your research. Anyone else concerned with the amount of plastic we've probably been consuming because of this?
Well - Plastic bits would have stayed in the grounds filter cup on your espresso maker - BUT - heating up the plastic bits in the grounds with the boiling water releases chemicals like leaving your water bottle in the Sun. So, I agree - it was the first thing I thought of!
@@richardthelionheart01 Yes totally. I was also thinking of micro-plastics, much much smaller then the coffee grounds. This seems like a really undesirable in your morning java.
Thank you so much for making this part. I think the new impeller is better than new. Almost too good!
Although it is not a cheap part, I feel way better about fixing it than replacing it.
Outstanding technically. This will save a lot of people having to go out and purchase new grinders. One suggestion is to use a non-LED flashlight next time.
Ohh man this worked amazing!!! The hardest part was taking out the lid of the hidden screws. The grounds are not coming out with packs anymore. It has nice and consistent flow now. Thanks again. It was a good upgrade. I was going to design myself and order it to shapeways with ceramic material but you already done the design and development so good job!!! I love shapeways I did couple designs and ordered it.
Thanks for taking the time to make this video. I seem to have found either a cousin to this machine or the factory in China has started their own run. It's called the ChefWave Conical Burr Coffee Grinder and it's on Amazon right now for $97. Interesting thing is that the impeller seems to be made from what looks like pressure cast aluminum. There's a picture down the throat of the grinder showing the inner burr and below it the impeller is not black but what looks like silver. It's going to be interesting to see if this machine will grind fine enough for espresso.
Just fixed a BCG400SIL with the Shapeways empeller. Great, thanks for the video!
I'm glad I found this video. I was hesitant to buy this grinder because of this issue, but this changed my mind. I was going to get the Baratza Encore because it's serviceable, even though It doesn't do espresso (future setup). This is great!!
Thanks! Your video and 3D impeller did the trick.
Thank you for the video. I went to find the part and found instead your design. I was then looking for how to3d print it and found you had the shape up connection. That made it easier than going to a library or Staples. I did not know how bad my grinder was until I fixed it. Some people may not find you enthralling but I thought you went out o your way to be a great help. Thanks so much. I am subscribing.
Thanks for taking the time to make this! Very helpful and much appreciated.
Thanks so much. Amazingly detailed video. Perfect!
This is awesome. I'm about to order a new Dose control and look forward in ordering an impeller from you just to have it for when it wears out.
Just fit one of these to my grinder. Works a treat. Dave South Australia!
Very informative video, saved me wrecking the machine. Well done and thank you. What twits would thumbs down such a helpful vid ??
Great video! I am actually in the market for one of these grinders. I am thinking now to disassemble it when I get it and machine a new impeller for myself out of aluminum. Thanks for the tips!
Thank you, great tutorial much appreciated
Great video thanks! Sounds like they’ve finally upgraded to a metal part now, within the last couple months
Yes, I inspected mine, and indeed it's made of metal.
Thanks for this. I get to keep my grinder now.
I know that feeling. Enjoy your coffee.
Amazing..always grateful
thanks for making this video. and thank you even more for not cutting the shhhh out of your thumb with that knife.
Thank you very much. My grinder is working fine now!
thank you, very good video, grinder repaired sucesfully
crickey you are just brilliant sir. i’ll be buying one from you.
Thank you for the great video. I printed a new part on my 3d printer at home and was able to get it back in service. The part file can be found on Thingiverse.
Thank you so much! Really appreciated!
Perfect video thanks
Thank you
Excellent tutorial.
Are these still for sale?
By some freak of nature I lost one of the flat washers under the impeller. Where might I find one the right size?
Great video! very well done! thank you
brillant ! your a gentleman and a scholar ! cheers
Hi, I bought the piece and installed tonight but my machine still makes a whining noise and stalls once I put beans in. Just like before I installed the part, the burr will turn fine before beans, and then it stalls completely and makes a high pitch whine when I put beans in. This was the problem I had initially and thought this part was supposed to fix? Any solutions at this point? Does that mean the drive train is worn out? Thanks
Hi David, That unfortunately sounds like a stripped drive gear. With the unit unplugged, take a ratchet w/10mm socket and rotate the drive shaft manually CCW through several revolutions via the acorn nut. See if it feels uniform or slips at some point (evidence of stripped teeth). If you tear down to the gearbox you can inspect the gear teeth for damage as well. Acquiring a replacement gear is unfortunately hard. I am not sure if it is the same exact gear as the bcg800, however if so then there is an (overpriced) seller on ebay if you search "breville drive gear". There also is a 3D printable model on thingiverse here: www.thingiverse.com/thing:2256996 however it is untried and you would need to print with a glass fiber plastic in order to have enough strength to hold up. Sculpteo might be able to this, but it is a really experimental long shot idea -- you would be the first to try it.
Can i use the same tool to replace the lower burr of Sage Dose Pro coffee grinder? I did a deep clean. However, it’s not working. Probably I’ve to do the replacement.
The issue i have is that i can't move my Adjustment much past half way. In other words i'm stuck on coarse and can't turn it to Espresso. I suspect grinds have gotten into the Dial adjustment on top.
Hi, thanks for taking your time to make the video. My grinder doesn’t so much make the popping noise but every now and then it will just stop mid grind and the front light will flash, do you know what that may be? Thank you
It appears I have messed up. After putting it back together and testing it, well the test didn’t go well. Something is definitely misaligned, likely the twist was not at the right height. Any advice?
Great. Now I can buy the grinder knowing that I can buy the spare part.
Thanks for this video. I ordered the replacement part from Shapeways and got it installed, but now my grinds fly out all over the place when grinding into a portafilter. I noticed there was a circular cloth piece that came out when I was removing the old blade piece, it literally tore apart in my hands. Do I need to replace that cloth part?
I recommend discarding the cloth part, so no worries there. Regarding overspray, the advice here will help: www.ifixit.com/Guide/BCG800XL+Grinder+Jamming+due+to+Worn+Impeller/62905#s134179
Also, if your beans are an ultra dark/oily roast I recommend going lighter. Really oily beans tend to clump a bit and retain a lot of momentum.
Thanks for the video.Is this impreller same for the Bcg400?
And how can I find the 3D file for printing in Turkey?
@gottebp Thank you so much for the guidance and for designing the part! My grinder was suffering from a different problem that caused the burr adjustment to seize and I was looking for a video that showed how to disassemble it. If not for you, then I wouldn't have found out that my impeller was also wearing out. I have printer myself, is there any way of obtaining the file for this part or should I just order it from SW?
I got 3/4 of the underside screws at 12:00 out, but the 4th one is extra tight and is now stripped. Any ideas on how to get this last one out?
I just bought a Dose Control Pro and the impeller seems to be made out of metal, does that mean I won't have problems/last longer than its plastic counterpart?
Great stuff. Just ordered an impeller but have one other issue. I have the BCG400SIL and the grind adjuster is incredibly difficult to turn all the way to the finest setting. Is there likely something jammed inside there? Have never taken the device apart.
Great stuff! I just ordered this grinder new and was wondering if you would advise installing this impeller now? I assume the torque controller you describe prevents damage to the motor, but would be willing to do this work up front in order to extend the appliance life. Also, have you been doing an espresso grind for the two year period shown in your study? Thanks again!
Since it is new, I would use up the existing impeller first and take advantage of Breville's warranty period. If it does jam when new, try not to let the torque limiter go too long. The torque limiter does indeed protect the motor -- the torque gets too high when the un-expelled grounds get backed up and compacted in the lower chamber. Lastly, yes, almost all my coffee is an espresso grind, usually 18g for a double shot.
@@gottebp Thanks! Many of the negative reviews on Amazon refer to the use of the machine for espresso and the maintenance required to keep it in good working order. Perhaps your impeller is also a solution for this problem! Personally I do a French press so I'm not worried. Thanks again!
Will this work on the BCG800XL?
edit: the shapeways part says it is for this!
thanks
Fantastic video. Just took my BCG600 apart and the impeller blade tips are missing! It did not drop out like yours did, but know I know why the grinder has been so crappy recently. I ordered the impeller and will post a message after I install it. Did you have an issue with the safety switch not being reengaged?
Sounds good Scott! FYI, no issues with safety switch engagement, although it's probably worth making sure the little plastic piece that presses on the switch doesn't fall out or anything.
Hi, my smart grinder pro suddenly dropped from the usual 14 to 6 settings. Does this means the upper burr assembly has been worn out? Does anyone can confirm this?
Hi I just purchased the BREBCG820BSSXL wanted to be proactive and check to see if you knew whether your impeller would work with it as well?
Hi. I was wondering what the difference between the plastics is on the website to buy this replacement piece? I'm looking to buy a piece but theres no explanation between the finish or materials.
Hi, i followed the video step by step, and started the grinder and the first time i did as it said in the video just ran it while twisting the grind course the more i got to fine it would start making a squeeking sound and then i thought its just wearing in and then i put some beans in and it wouldnt grind them at all for some reason. Could you suggest anything?
I have this, just doing mine right now. My guess is the burrs are now closer than they were before. I’m thinking that I might change the screw position to account for how much closer the burrs are together. Possibly by 5 holes further round counter clockwise so the screw reaches the stopper earlier
I’m not super familiar with 3D printing but a friend has one. Do you have a like a design file I could plug into his machine so I could print a few? Is that even possible?
Regardless, thank you so much for your work!
Is there anyway 8 can get the plans to 3d print this for myself?
I have a printer at home. Are the files available for purchase?
Hi! I have a bcg400 (the non pro model) and I'm having a different problem. It turns out that I can't get to the finer settings for espresso (say 5 - 10) because it's gotten really hard to dial the "collar" passing the n°15 mark and it gets stuck there, making it really hard to return it to the coarser positions. Did anyone have the same problem? It appears as something got stuck right there between the burrs. Btw I cleaned the grinder the other day using a cleaning product but it didn't help at all...
hi bud, im having a problem with my bcg820, would u have the stl of the impeller? It makes TAKATAKATAKATAKA if i try to use it. could it be another thing? the shit has like 3 or 4 years of home usage. ty♥
I ordered the part and will do the repair. Has anyone done the repair and could post how the grinder has been grinding and if the part is lasting under dark roast espresso grinding? (Know you weren't axking but I finally seem to be able to spell it espresso instead of expresso.)
I went to the link, where can I order this part? It seems to be a step by step of this video.
So, does this mean the impeller gradually wears down and discharges bits of rubber into your grounds?
Probably right. I wish Breville had done a better job. While not ideal, plastic is not soluble either, so any bits would have stayed in the grounds we threw away.
Thanks for the video, good info for the future. Seems like a silicone coated impeller would be the best material. Nice work on the 3D printer.
Hey,can the impeller be made out of metal? It would never ware out?
Thanks for this video. Had a question: Is it safe to assume that the plastic from both Breville and Shapeways is non-toxic? Thanks.
See my old comment here: www.ifixit.com/Guide/BCG600...orn+Impeller/96493?permalink=1#comment-356923
Also, after two years and ~85lbs of coffee, the 3D printed impeller wear is minimal:
photos.app.goo.gl/868a5ReyM2XAyjZq8
Even for the Breville impeller (which clearly wears much more), any plastic particles would not be soluble in water. The bits would have likely just remained in the used coffee grounds that we discarded.
Thanks so much for sharing your wisdom. Great step-by-step. I have the 600, it stopped grinding today and flashed at me. Took the hopper off, then tried to get the upper burr off... could it be stuck? I noted that you used a good amount of pressure to "click" it off, but I feel like I'm about to break the wire handle. Any advice?
You'll want to make sure no beans are in between the burrs first (run it empty with the hopper on for 15 seconds). The first time removing it requires a lot of pressure. You can put the pressure on both sides of the wire handle, right at the hinges.
Thanks! When I ran it empty, a few beans came out. It then whirred at a high pitch. I think stuck beans was the reason it flashed at me. Upper burr is still stuck though. I applied quite a bit of pressure, still no luck. Thinking of getting some GRINDS to clean it. Do you think that might help?
Perhaps there are grounds jammed between the burr and the cylinder wall making it difficult. Other than applying more pressure, it's unclear how to proceed. Maybe tap on it lightly with something to break any stuck grounds free. www.ifixit.com/Guide/BCG600SIL+Dose+Control+Pro+Coffee+Grinder+-+Jamming+due+to+Worn+Impeller/96493#s178175
So, what it was doing was stopping the grind after a couple of seconds, then flashing. Since I couldn't remove the upper burr with the wire handle, I decided to put some GRINDZ in there to try to clean it out. I worked! Don't know how, but it must've cleared out a stuck bean or something. I do want to order that impeller blade you created, because I'm sure this won't be a long-term solution.
Thanks for this, mine has done this in only 9 mpnths🤔
Great Video! I have yet to take apart my grinder but I am having a similar issue. The only difference is my grinder will run, bog down, then shut of (with the dial light blinking). If I unlock and then relock the hopper it seems to reset the grinder and it will run shortly then repeat the same behavior. If I remove the hopper and push down the three tabs, the burs will spin (even with a small amount of beans on top of the burs). Do you suspect this is an issue with the part you replaced or an issue with the safety shutoff (if that even exists)? Any advice is appreciated, thanks in advance!
+Kyle Hill Hmm, it is the first time I have heard of that behavior. Almost what I'd expect if there is a thermal switch to protect the motor from overheating (no idea if there is). When you lock and re-lock to retry, do grounds continue to come out or does it seem clogged up? If the former, then I do not know the cause. If the latter, then my hunch is the impeller is worn. Check though, how do the blade tips look? If grounds aren't coming out, it always boggs down the motor. Either the torque limiter then slips (clacking sound) or the motor overheats (not good) or the drive gear strips (also not good, but not likely in your case).
Thanks for the advice. I have a feeling it is the impeller. Luckily, this is a comprehensive video on how to repair!!
@@kylehill3055 Hi kyle was the impeller the problem? I am thinking it is as well. I have the same problem, and it looks pretty worn. Ordered the part anyway so we will see
So we get tiny bits of plastic in the coffea???
My non-pro version isn't even opening. It's a different method and cant find any videos on it.
Installed the new part, grinds better. The light around the timer nob acted a bit funny. At start up flashed like it did before when it started to bog down and stopped. Ground normally but flashed on timer completion and light stayed on. Flying away from the ice and snow tomorrow. Will open the grinder up in a couple weeks and check it over. Anyone have any thoughts on light flashing?
Update Mar 30/18:
Dismantled the grinder again. Everything looked fine, including the new impeller. No evidence of the grinder binding. Couldn't find any obvious broken wires, damage to the circuit boards or timer. Tried loosening the inner ring of the grind selector a half turn just in case it had something to do with a torque limiter but no effect. Probably timer switch but hard to get replacements so not really worth the effort of figuring out the electronics. Though I was being careful but I guess not enough.
Think this is bang on in terms of the flaw in these grinders. Ground coffee great after the new impeller was installed. However, might or might not turn off. Gave up on it because I'd rather have a grinder I don't have to watch.
Something I didn't realize when I made the video: This thing has an electronic torque limiter of sorts. I'm not sure how it senses it. Might be a pinched wire during reassembly though. Also, can't hurt to rotate the mechanism a revolution or two using a ratchet+10mm socket, just to see if it feels like it turns harder for some reason.
does your new impeller degrade aswell?
Very little. See the "Studying Wear" section here: www.shapeways.com/product/NASLAGCCP/breville-coffee-grinder-impeller-upgrade
@@gottebp thanks :) apparently their new version has a stainless steel cover. Also, does your wall (the wall where the impeller spins) degrade as well?
Could you please confirm if the new blade will fit the BCG400SIL? I see you have that model listed in the title but when i click the link to purchase one it mentions you have not had confirmation that it will fit. Could you please let me know. Cheers
Hi Arya. I only tore down the BCG600 and not the BCG400 however the two models look nearly identical in the online pictures. Based on even the BCG800XL matching the BCG600 chamber, and the identical look of the impeller photos I am >80% confident the lower chamber design will be the same. If you would like to be really sure in advance, there are measurement specs for the impeller at the bottom of the shapeways page. You can do the teardown and measure the chamber and the old impeller before purchasing. www.shapeways.com/product/NASLAGCCP/breville-coffee-grinder-impeller-upgrade
Fantastic thank you so much for your help I will check out the specs : ) Cheers
Hi Gottebp i just tore down the BCG400SIL and all the measurements of the blade seem the same except for the Total diameter (blade tip to blade tip) which is to be expected, mine is about 39mm at thr moment. What i would like to ask is what is the difference between the 'White strong and flexible polished' and the 'white strong and flexible' obviously one is polished and one is not but how does that make a difference in the grinder? Regards, Arya
+Arya Fox That is great to hear, and finally have confirmation for others too. Nice work! FYI, the polished option has slightly less friction against the grounds. Difference in performance is probably not enough to be noticeable however the look is nice. The 3D printing layer ridges are less pronounced and the edges are cleaner.