Mazda RX-7 Tein Coilover EDFC System - Is it worth it? Part 3
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- čas přidán 6. 09. 2021
- Japanese suspension manufacturer, Tein, makes various types of coilovers for many cars but is their EDFC (Electronic Dampening Force Controller) adds active suspension adjustments on the fly.
My name is Aaron Forrester, and this is part 3 and the final review of adding the EDFC Active Pros system to my Tein Flex Z coilovers to my 1993 Mazda RX-7. Does this system really make that much of a difference and is the extra $800 cost worth the benefits? In this video, I show you the basics of how to install the system.
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This is by far the best production quality for a channel of this size I’ve ever seen
Thank you very much! Greatly appreciate it!
@818to510 I'm not familiar with them. I'll have to take a look
Agreed
PLEASE don't ever change your video format!!! PERFECTION!
Thank you for the compliment! Sorry that I didn't reply sooner. Somehow it got buried. But thank you again. I enjoy making these, although I don't post as often as others may.
Thanks for making these videos! I have been looking into getting the EDFC active, but there is almost no content on CZcams besides the videos that Tein put out. These videos are super informative and I can tell you put a lot of work into quality of the channel. Please keep up the good work. I can't wait to see what you've got next!
Thank you! I had the same issue, not being able to find solid content on this product. So, I thought it would be fun to make these and help others who were in my shoes. Right now, I'm in the middle of importing a TVR Cerbera from the UK =)
Not sure how this channel doesent have at least 200k by now
Thank you! I appreciate that!
I'm so glad I got to watch this video series. Now I'm interested in checking these EDFC controllers out!
I'm glad you enjoyed them!
I inherited Tein Super Street's with EDFC on the G6ET (Australia Falcon) and they transformed it from the floaty land barge that these cars are known for being.
I hope you will get more subscribers!!
Nice content. Keep it up
Thank you! I appreciate the compliments
Stunning looking RX7, it's a real credit to you. When you mention at the end that the active pro system doubles the price of the Flex-Z package, it is worth mentioning the middle option of the non-active EDFC system which allows you to adjust between settings manually but does not do the 'on-the-fly' tweaking of the active pro. I have this EDFC system on a Mitsubishi GTO because the original adjustable shocks were toast and are irreplaceable - I wanted a modern system that stayed true to the high-tech ethos of the car when new, and EDFC was the perfect fit. It sits between just the coilovers and coilover+active pro in terms of price and is worth a look if you don't want to stretch to the full active system.
You are correct. The basic system is much cheaper. Thank you for the compliments!
Great video series, I just picked up a gen 3 MR2 with a 1MZ V6 swap, I'm very interested in this system for it. Greetings from the UK. Your test road looks amazing!
Thank you very much! That road is awesome for testing upgrades and putting the car to the test! Glad you enjoyed it
Great video. I just installed a set of Ohlins DFVs on my '93 R1 and it made a world of difference. Zero regrets with my purchase.
Awesome! You gonna change your sway bars, wheels or tires too?
I'm running Racing Beat A/S bars already. I just didn't like the harshness of the factory R1 Bilstein set-up. Tires are RE-71Rs on RX-8 wheels, but I have a set of Fikse Profil 10s on order in 8.5/9.5x18. I can't wait to open those boxes.
Great video man. I have the Endurapro adjustable shocks (set to 4) w/ H&R OE springs and my modified '19 Accord 2.0t Sport rides better than stock. No EDFC for me, thank you, since I'm only daily driving my car and terrorizing the streets on the weekend!
Thank you! This short series was really fun to make and the reaction has been super positive
Nice video I can use your advice when I get my next car
For sure
Nice videos, and thanks for your honesty
My pleasure!
Love your rx7 fd that's my dream car hopefully one day i able to buy it
Thank you! 😊
This is a new channel for me and I'm glad I came across it! Definitely gonna keep in touch with your channel, I like how your organize your videos.
I'm still on the fence for these, I have a '99 Honda Prelude and I would love to modernize it but it's really hard to justify suspension worth half the value of the car haha. I love my car but I would prefer not to fall into student debt. This car is my project/canyon cruiser/daily for college. I think it's neat but I would prefer that Tein could come out with something like the EDFC but more comfort oriented. They don't offer the Type A for the Prelude so that's a bummer. It seems this would only really help on those spirited drives but I guess it's something to keep in mind if I get Tein on a future car. Thanks for covering a nice topic! Love the way you have your installation/thoughts/final thoughts/application all in separate videos. I wish more channels could cover products like this instead of just saying "Yeah it works great..." they don't dive into the utility or if it works for me. You basically marketed these Teins haha.
Thank you so much for the comments! Tein actually made some videos about folks using the EDFC for a family car and helping reduce body roll, squat and dive. I even want to say it was a mini van too. My coilovers and edfc active pro system combined was about 2k. Great value for the quality and customizing ability. Although I agree with you that this does put their product in a favorable light, I'd also argue that if your primary focus is comfort over sports, then airbag suspension may be a better option, although you sacrifice performance for comfort... and space for pumps and tanks in your trunk.
@@AaronsEccentricGarage thanks for the response! And yeah totally, I can see it's use. Gotta plan out my finances haha
Love this bran
Hope your channel blows someday , nice content!
I hope you mean blows up with success 😉 thanks for the compliment
@@AaronsEccentricGarage hahaha yeah , my english aren't the best , sorry
I track my flex Zs and they work great. Ohlins of course are a better option, but flex Zs also do the job. I've been looking at the prokit for some time, not just for handling, but it's also a good tech upgrade. Great video.
Thank you for the input! Very insightful
I have Flex Zs also, and on the track they show that they are not some ebay coilovers, Tein just been around longer and can sell cheaper, with more options than others. Not to mention each car is different with different spring rates. Mines come 12k front 10k rear, for a bigger car ( 04 gs300) that translate better during tracking or spirited driving as compared to a FD that's factory built already for tracking.
Compliments and comments:
Very nice work. I just found your channel today, watched all three parts of this series, and subscribed. I hope you have other content done this well. Kudos.
Sorry if I missed it, but could you also do a video covering the manual modes and how you've used them? Related to that...
Have you gotten to driven your EDFC-equipped RX7 on any really bad and rough roads, and what have you learned if so? What's the range of ride adjustability from lowered car with firm dampers to a stock-high with soft dampers? Smooth Arizona pavement is one thing, but I'm not just interested in maximizing track or street performance. I'm also very curious how much better the ride can be on horrific pothole-choked rust-belt roads. After a rough 2022-23 winter with a bad combination of snow, freezing rain, freeze-thaw cycles, we in Minneapolis/Saint Paul have some of the worst residential streets I've experienced anywhere in over 30 years of driving. Despite thousands of potholes that have been filled, it's still very bad and I've grown tired of my WRX STi beating me up on terrible pavement. I either need to upgrade the suspension radically or trade it in for a Lexus or something else more compliant.
Thank you very much for the support and compliments!
The edfc active pro controller has multiple settings. The basic setting is dial the damper to your desired setting, and it'll stay there till you turn the knob. The next setting is a step up. You set your starting number, and as you speed up/slow down/ turn, and at certain speeds, it jumps 3-5 clicks. This second setting makes the changes more distinct if you're using your booty sensor. The 3rd setting is a linear mode. Rather than a large jump, it's cycling up and down all the time (depending on your driving style). This is ideal for canyon driving where there's a lot of movement and speed changes. In with case of mode 2 or 3, as you drive faster, it firms things up for the sharpest response. On long road trips to California (6 hours) I turn off the adaptive setting and dial it down to the softest setting. Don't get me wrong, it's still more firm than oem and with a stiffer sway bar, it's no lexus couch, but it's not bad either. Tein has started selling the edfc suspension as an upgrade for family vans as well, helping it adapt to the roads of Japan.
I hope this helps 😀
very interesting and cool
Thank you!
Those wheels are as gorgeous as the scenery! Never seen them before, they look like a 3 piece version of the OEM pre facelift wheels
Excellent production quality for such a small channel!
Thank you! The wheels are custom made just for my car by Airtekk. They designed them in CAD to look like the OEM wheels but to be wider, larger diameter, and multi-piece forged billet wheels.
@818to510 close to $5k and yes, they are billet forged 😀
Hi Aaron! Thank you for the video series, very informative package. I have an mk3 supra with flex z and I just ordered the EDFC for it. Also I have an s13 for drifting with tein super drift and I'm thinking about the EDFC for it. I love what you've done with the rx7, keep it up!
Thank you for the compliments! There are different versions of the EDFC. Basic, active and active pro. Which one are you getting?
@@AaronsEccentricGarage I think it's just the basic, it doesn't have the g-force adaptivity or gps
Had to come back and watch the series again since I installed my edfc only just last week. And it is the active, I just didn't realize that back when I ordered the set. I gotta say it really makes a big difference to the suspension feel. Great purchase, easy to install and I think it is good value for the money
Are any adjustable Tein strut/coilover EDFC compatible ?
I’m considering a set of Endurapro Pro Plus struts for one of my cars. Thanks for the video, nice car.
The tein website shows you what kits are compatible with each set they have.
Why are ya'll shy with sharing the wiring process lol. Been searching for that and stopped and the algorithm suggested you. Not disappointed though. Nice
Not secretive at all. It's all very straightforward and in the installation manual. Google search took me like 30 seconds to find it. Thank you for the compliments though
fccid.io/L73EDFCCON/User-Manual/USERS-MANUAL-1911085.pdf
I have the Ohlins DFV set and for the past few years I've been thinking about trying to add EDFC to them. I've done some research and I believe there might be a set that will work but I haven't tried yet.
On the one hand, I can see them causing a real problem if they malfunction in the middle of a corner. But it would be really cool to upgrade the suspension like this, and it would keep people from playing with my damping settings at meets and car shows lol. I've caught someone doing that before and I've noticed several times that my settings had been changed.
I've been thinking about driving around the country to meet up with other FD/RX-7 owners and go to their favorite curvy roads together. I have a bunch I like in Colorado. Your road looks pretty fun too, but I wonder if you'd want to drive it together since you'd be telling someone else about it lol.
I actually made a couple videos as well of 2 of my favorite drives in AZ 😀
Man i remember when I used to tune every suspension separately for the specific place I was going to go drive.
Yeah, this is awesome! On very long road trips though, I turn off the progressive changes and simply dial it in for softest setting for hours of long freeway
hey, just spent 4 hours today calibrating EDFC Active Pro it on Toyota Rav 4 :D
when the car was on the flat surface controller shown the Max Breaking force applied...
tried to re-calibrate it but had no luck, getting an error
then I've read in a book that the controller should be installed at 45 degrees angle, we've changed the angle and the force became zero
hope we'll be able to calibrate it... tomorrow
Good catch. Yeah, the controller needs can't be installed at a particular angle to properly function.
@@AaronsEccentricGarage strange that on a website they put "Controller has a built-in triaxial G-sensor, which offers the ability to install controller unit at any desired angle & direction" but in Trobuleshooting in Manual they add something about 45 degrees...
@@dimaodd how's it feel now ?
U got instagram or something? I’m installing on rav4 soon too. Have questions. 415starr
*Tein should send you some "thank you" tokens of appreciation. I just got Flex Z's and didn't know they were 12k-10k spring rates, I'm lazy so the EDFC is good for me because it can figure out the damping lol.*
Ha! Thank you for the compliments! I had a hard time finding English content on the product, so it seemed natural to make a video
@@AaronsEccentricGarage Lol. Yeah same here. The Japanese made Tein videos brought me here. You're apart of the algorithm!
@@MRMAN-wb1tv yay! Lol
@AaronsEccentricGarage Here again, different account lol.
Good vid. I’ve just ordered some flex z to replace my bcracing as they have all locked up. I’m now weighing up the active pro.
Another year down the line, are you still very happy with the system ?
Glad my video helped ya! Still love my setup
@@AaronsEccentricGarage well that’s good news! Now too decide if I go for the newer V version.
I’m installing tein flex A on my 3rd gen Prius as daily commuter the edfc active pro is a cool ad on feature but might be a overkill for my application as a daily ?
Yeah I wouldn't waste your money on a Prius...
Yeah, for a daily driver, it's a bit of overkill
@@AaronsEccentricGarage thanks for the heads up , I’m just going with tein flex A for daily driving it has HBS that makes it comfy
can this things adjust the height of the car bro? thanks🙏🏽
Unfortunately, no. You'd need a 'cup system' or axel lift system to accomplish that. This is used yo adjust dampening and rebound on the fly, not height.
I have an impreza for daily ride and some spirited drive is the edfc worth it ?
That's a good question. Tein actually promotes the EDFC system for family minvans as well. If you go to their website, they have a a few pages that show the difference it can help with the family car. Now... the Active pro system... maybe maybe not. The basic EDFC system is a "choose your own adventure" whereas the active pro has multiple settings to change on the go as the situation changes.. or you can choose to turn that system off. The most obvious thing you'll notice with the active system is when it stiffens the front as you slow down, meaning less nose dive, or when you accelerate, you get less squat.
Thank you I currently got bc racing well was off a friend 4 years ago awhile I was doing all the other upgrades all suspension engine etc and now osr starting to knock hence looking buying new I was stuck between tein with edfc and the bcs for when comes to servicing them you can get all the parts quiet cheap and easy. So I'm stuck. Currently running 500bhp
@@AaronsEccentricGarage The basic edfc system would help prevent more nose dive and squat for daily driving correct? I gas,brake hard and drive quite fast. I’m gonna go the edfc route if I am not satisfied with the flex z alone with wider wheels. What do you think?
@achen415 basic edfc simply let's you change your settings on a dial in the car. The active pro monitors the speed and body movements and adjusts accordingly
how fast are stepper motors?
Extremely quick! You have multiple options for progressive or linear
Привет друг👋 купил себе такую систему, еще не успел поставить. Искал отзывы и обзоры на activ pro, но на просторах российского интернета их нет, что очень странно. Спасибо тебе за твое видео🤝
There were no reviews of this system in English, only Japanese, so I decided to take that step and make my own review. Maybe you could do the same in Russian?
Has anyone had EL error? I all so change the two front EDFC motors but the error remains
I've not had any error, possibly the motor driver/signal box is bad or you have a bad set of wires?
One thing that is weird is when I hook up the two new front motors without attaching them on the coil overs they works
At least they’re rude tits
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Sorry auto correct
Why do you think they arent popular especially since in the racing world where adjustability is king
Cost? Complexity? Not sure. Maybe the risk of failure during a race? Couldn't tell ya. Tein makes great products
We can't hear what you're actually saying! The Music is loud lol