Brand New - The Rise And Fall
Vložit
- čas přidán 1. 08. 2024
- Brand New - The Rise And Fall
-----------------------------------------------------
Follow @matesclubusa on IG
----------------------------------------------------
What is going on my mates!
Today we are going to talk about an alternative rock band from New York called Brand New | This video is called Brand New - The Rise And Fall because we will be taking a look at the story of how Jesse Lacey and the band became extremely controversial and even hated by some after the event in late 2017.
Brand New and Jesse Lacey have been a band for a long time.. They have a lot of genres that they could possibly be put into such as: pop punk, emo, alternative rock, indie rock, and many more that I’m sure you could place them into.
They’ve released outstanding albums like Your Favorite Weapon, Deja Entendu, The Devil And God Are Raging Inside Me, Daisy, and Science Fiction.
Your Favorite Weapon was pretty emo and pop punk, Deja Entendu was pretty emo, pop punk, and indie rock. The Devil And God Are Raging Inside Me was very emo and indie rock, Daisy was a lot of things, but pretty experimental overall compared to their previous material. Science Fiction is honestly so hard to describe, but it’s for sure dark and beautiful at the same time.
Brand New and Jesse Lacey played their final shows as a band in late 2017 before all of the controversy arose and as of now, they’ll never return, play another show, and we’ll more than likely never hear from them again.
Brand New was an extremely influential band, inspiring many with their songs like: Soco Amaretto Lime, The Quiet Things That No One Ever Knows, Jesus Christ, and many more.
Very sad that it had to end the way it did, but life goes on, you know?
Now, it’s time for the feature presentation you’l been waiting for: Brand New - The Rise And Fall
----------------------------------------------------
Time Stamps: I Know This Is Long, Skip Around As You Please!
0:00 - 1:10 - How It Felt When The News Broke
1:10 - 2:22 - An Analogy For How Fast They Fell After The Articles Began Surfacing
2:22 - 6:11 - Formation, Getting Signed, And Releasing Your Favorite Weapon
6:11 - 8:56 - Deja Entendu Era
8:56 - 10:35 - The Devil And God Are Raging Inside Me Era
10:35 - 11:33 - Releasing Daisy
11:33 - 12:30 - Science Fiction And Their Inevitable End
12:30 - 14:47 - The End Begins
14:47 - 15:25 - What Now? / Closing Thoughts
----------------------------------------------------
I will thank you and high five Deja Entendu if you follow my brand on IG @matesclubusa
thank you always
Love you.
----------------------------------------------------
Social Media
* Instagram: bracelegs?...
* Twitter: / camerahat
* Snapchat: matesclub
-----------------------------------------------------
You have no idea how much I appreciate your support.
Best,
Nate
Time Stamps: I Know This Is Long, Skip Around As You Please!
0:00 - 1:10 - How It Felt When The News Broke
1:10 - 2:22 - An Analogy For How Fast They Fell After The Articles Began Surfacing
2:22 - 6:11 - Formation, Getting Signed, And Releasing Your Favorite Weapon
6:11 - 8:56 - Deja Entendu Era
8:56 - 10:35 - The Devil And God Are Raging Inside Me Era
10:35 - 11:33 - Releasing Daisy
11:33 - 12:30 - Science Fiction And Their Inevitable End
12:30 - 14:47 - The End Begins
14:47 - 15:25 - What Now? / Closing Thoughts
Beans have been opened
I think that if there was convicted of it I was stop listening to them but I still listen to them now because everyone is innocent until proven guilty
Nate The Mate just do a part 2 from 2009-2017, some how i randomly came across you account, like your content
Your voice is ugly and your point of view is childish. You're uninteresting and shouldn't put ads in your terrible videos.
@@Danielfucks69 Good job, you've done nothing to add to the conversation
A band that never had a bad album.
Jessie Daisy could have been better imo
Never listened to Daisy?
Daisy was my favorite, it was the most sorrowful in my eyes. I spent my darkest days listening to that album.
Daisy is an amazing record. I find the debut hardest to return to.
@@jamesgreen6528 daisy is the most musically mature album in their discography. Just because you dont like the sound doesnt change that it's instrumentally the strongest album in the catalogue. If we're going subjectively, though, it's my least favorite, too. Haha
"it's hard to be the better man, when you forget your trying"
I think he is trying. For me the apology was good.
Yeah when this song came out he had already had online relations w the underage groupie so
Pretty sure Vincent wrote that one
@@david016rock i disagree. his apology didn't even acknowledge what he was being accused of...instead he just started talking about how he'd cheated on his wife (which nobody had even mentioned or knew about - all of the stuff that had come out was from years ago and before he was with andrea) like way to throw your wife under the bus and embarrass her.
why are u putting shoes on without socks
that was the most uncomfortable part of the video haha.
The fuck? I do it all the time, what's the problem?
I only wear socks if I have too I. e work anywhere else no socks.
Socks aren't a luxury. Wear socks
I bet he have stinky feet
I am absolutely disgusted that you put ur shoes on ur bed like a goddamn Disney character shame on u sir
I actually listened to Brand New to cope with being sexually abused throughout my childhood. Somehow, when the news broke, I felt nothing. No devastation, no tears. Like I had sympathy for the victims, but the music felt no different to me. I don't know how or why, but that's just how it went down for me.
You simply separated the art from the artist and that's fine. Hes not the whole band anyway.
Woah dude me too that's freaking nuts yeah I kinda see it the same way but idk it kinda bothers me because I want to know the reason or the whole story of what these allegations are and I can't seem to find it anywhere but still yeah musically they kick ass
that's how it should be.
I’m very sorry that happened to you. 😥
same here.. this band helped me through the toughest period of my life, growing up and stuff... I grew up with their music, their amazing records, and songs... I feel for the victims as well, but what Jessie did, does not reprise who brand new is and what their music is about... their music is out of this world, I swear.. nobody can top the approach, the mystical approach Brand New did.
Brand New? PSHHHH. Try growing up a Lostprophets fan
O O F
....too soon
I couldn't get through the records for the court case. That whole thing was just super fucked up.
I was thinking the same thing while watching this, that one hurt.
😂🤣😂🤣😂 omg, I felt that in my soul lmao ahhhhh that's hilarious 😂 thanks pal I'm gonna be laughing about this comment for weeks now lmao straight up made my day
If they came out with another album I'd buy it in a heartbeat.
Because you're a self absorbed sociopath?
@@Agrith Funny thing is, YOU are actually the thin skinned crybaby..... can'r take someone else's viewpoint.... and cry like a bitch.
You can purchase and listen to what you wish.... if anything, I prefer you basement dwellers to be vocal about your interests...
We live in a free country.....I just disassociate from people I dislike.
Do what you want little incel, YOU are the one that has to live a ahit, lonely life. Not me.
@@Cheeseburger.Launch.Sequence No because they are a fan of good music and not trying to project their bloated feelings of self superiority on the internet
@@Agrith At least you figured it out, 2nd time around.
Seriously though....Brand New is shitty music played by pussies.
@@canadiandrumer Hey....one more thing. Why would I want to project my feelings of self superiority on the internet? Then I run the risk of transfering some of my superiority on to you..... which you can't handle.
I will never understand the whole “feeling betrayed” feeling. Name me one time Jesse has claimed a moral high ground. Everyone who feels like they’ve been betrayed, remember, YOU put Jesse in a position where you thought he should’ve been better. He has never done that. In fact, what makes this case so different and what makes the fans outrage so unjustified is precisely that Jesse has never pretended like he was someone better or someone good even. I remember not even knowing the name of any band member for the first years I’ve listened to them. They don’t put themselves on their artwork, their names aren’t even really highlighted in the booklets. Only after I went out of my way to look them up, did I find out what Jesse looks like. I listened to this man sing about his regrets, his self-hatred, and his inability to move on for years and that’s what I love so much about the music. And then the news break and suddenly everyone’s like “Jesse I thought you were better than this” and feeling betrayed. That’s your own fault. You put him on a pedestal that her never put himself on. He did quite the opposite honestly.
Great point, mate!
I totally agree. He's always been writing about being a broken man especially in regards to his encounters with women. I never felt betrayed. I felt that I understood his music a lot better because of this announcement.
"I am Heaven-sent"
excellent comment
@@foodlord1 "I am the cause to all your problems" ego vs reality
0/10,no Taking Back Sunday drama involved
The Taking Back Sunday drama was extremely exaggerated. Yeah, John Nolan and Jessie got into a fight over a girl, but here's how it happened;
Jessie liked a girl. John made out with her at a party they were both at. (He didn't sleep with her.) and Jessie got mad and both artists wrote songs about it. John and Jessie made up shortly after and John even helped out on some of Your Favorite Weapon.
But i completely agree that the TBS drama should've been involved in some way.
As stupid as it is now, when I was in high school I refused to listen to brand new because of the “beef” between brand new and taking back Sunday... so much time wasted not listening to brand new.
@@issaacxxx6202 nah
Daniel Bell that’s alright TBS Is better imo
Science fiction is such a perfect ending for them
I honestly can't think of a better song that a band has finished with than Batter Up
"This is the last one."
Right. Leave their musicial legacy just as godawful as their personal legacy.
@@TheBrandonn why u gotta flame so much man? let people like what they like.
Brandon Haines Brandon the kinda dude to get 100% onboard with Cancel Culture while also wearing Nikes, watching this video on an iPhone, and mindlessly buying other consumer products with actual bodies on their track-records.
People were shocked... Really? did they ever even listen to the lyrics?
THANK YOU
Agreed, I wasn’t shocked at all.
Artemis Amory same sentiment...he was super clear that he was not well intention from the get go...he just crossed a line in real life vs. lyrically
EXACTLY!!!
Call me a safe bet, I’m betting I’m not
Bro. Seventy times Seven is about John Nolan. Not a "previous romantic partner".
Snozz Faulkenberry It’s crazy how he missed the entire TBS feud. Remember when Brand New and TBS played Seventy Times Seven and There Is No I in Team together? They’re two sides of the same coin about the same issue.
But the John Nolan beef is about a previous romantic partner...
@@vicjames3256 the lines themselves are about John Nolan.
Thanks for pointing this out I was watching for the tbs feud but I'll move on now
BorisWree two of my favorite songs ever...they still make me feel like I’m an angsty teen in my room blasting music lol
Brand New got me through almost ALL of my tough times. It's almost as if every time I faced a hardship I fell back to them. Blasting their albums at all hours. They were like spiritual guides for me, allowing me to feel how I should.
It obviously is terrible what happened, however I'm more than sure hes changed. It was well over 10 years after the events happened that it all came out. He was in his early 20s, when it broke he was in his mid 30s.
Anecdotally, I'm 26 and I'm not even close to who I was when I was 20. Every aspect of my life is entirely different- for the better. Tack on 10 more years to that. Theres alot of room for change, then imagine being THAT drastically different. Gaining a wife. Kid. Family. Stability and becoming established. Finally settling down knowing all your efforts have paid off.......then losing it ALL because of something that happened literally 40% of your life ago.
It amazes me. I still love them. Always will.
Great band no matter what I'll be a fan until I die
Yeah it’s really sad how quickly people will condemn someone now a days. Damn, if I was judged on my darkest moments, I’d be hated too. We learn, grow and change throughout our lives.
Sounds like R. KELLY fans..
Anyone who feels the need to burn their merch or records or anything, please send them to me i will pay lol
I always feel disgusted when I see a woman still supporting this band
@@TheBrandonn how's the view from up there on your cross?
@@TheBrandonn Fans are the most idiotic people on this planet. They'll defend anything. Jesse could have murdered 10,000 people and people would still defend him
Jamie Howard you sound like a fucking complete moron
Wanna make all of your worst mistakes public knowledge and see how the world views you? It's hard to come back from your reputation being dragged in the dirt. Not even worth stating your version of the events, when everyone already has a bitter taste in their mouth... Just something to consider, man.
I remember when the news was out and Brand New crumbled. Everyone was shocked and appalled at what Jesse was accused of. I remember reading his statement and analyzing every bit of it. Not many saw it as a fit apology, and I understand why, yet at the same time I could see what he was trying to convey. Nobody is perfect, we all make mistakes big or small. His words, while not detailing what it was he did, did have a level of sincerity still, but at the time everyone was so shocked and angry that it didnt matter. I was more in defense at the time, and I still am. One cant change their past actions, nobody can. But he sought help after realizing his actions hurt not only those he directly affected, but those around him. He didnt ask for forgiveness, but rather stated that he needed to earn it. Now do I still listen to them? Hell yeah I do. Do I separate the artist from the art? Its impossible for me, especially after going back through the catalog for a deep listen. I knew going in that some clues were ringing with lyrics, and surely enough if you listen you can find them. The alleged incident occured roughly around the time of Deja Entendu, and notably on that record and further were a lot of cues with his writing that spoke on the issue without directly addressing it, as well the hurt and regret of his actions following. You can hear and feel it coming through, it comes from a dark place. Thats what has kept me from holding a resentment against him or the music. Brand New has had a strong impact on my life, especially at times when I've been too close to the ledge. Whatever truly happened in his past is in the past and cannot be changed, and I will never deny that it happened. I just know that as much of a crushing note it was that ended them, I will always love the art created and will continue to listen to it and inspire me in my own art.
Fight off your demons.
this really resonate me so much. we can't deny it happen, but i think i can understand that people grow and maybe they seek help.
So you don't hold any resentment because of the songs that came out of it? That's vile. It's not art, it's generic pop-rock.
Also your whole essay is a testament to cognitive dissonance. google it.
I think this is the best take on this situation I’ve seen.
Yeah, some of those lyrics made me think he was in this kind of battle. Often, when I listened, I would pray about it. I hope he's genuinely changed now because the allegations are really a let down. And I have to believe his music at least was written from a genuine place.
As a victim of abuse myself, Brand New, specifically Jesse's writing, has gotten me through some of the toughest times of my life. Even now as a grown man I'll still go back to Deja, and The Devil, and God when I'm feeling down. Not many bands can harness the emotion and somehow put it into lyrics. I don't care what Jesse did or didn't do, but I do know this band may have saved my life a few times. So glad I got to see them live.
Bread is actually bad for ducks.
Literally came to the comments to say this. I volunteer at an animal rehabilitation center and we get tons of ducks every year that get bread lodged in their throats. I know people don't mean to harm them, but they do accidentally. Spread the word!
For anyone reading this ducks like lettuce, corn, peas, seedless grapes and birdseed to name a few :)
Frankie Rollins good to know
Fuck em they shouldn't eat it then.
Frankie Rollins aw man now every time I see a cute scene of an old lady feeding the ducks I’m gonna feel like a scorpion just stung me and robbed me of the moment Cuz she’s actually an evil demon who gets off on kill helpless animals!😵
"Jesus Christ" got me thru hard time. Ill always love Brand New. I don't even think about the issues. I just feel the art
I'm with you bro
i second that
same. Forever and always. And same with that "Jesus Christ" tidbit too.
@exodus K that does not detract from what I gain from their music. The issues were aired long after I had established so much within those songs. I don't waver in my stance. You love art by terrible people. Its almost undeniable. You might never know either as it may not be exposed. Your love of the creation doesnt bound you to the unforgivable
@@pbdparkbiz602 it's an interesting thing, art comes at a cost sometimes. Would Vincent Van Gogh or Kurt Cobain even Robin Williams how much of their art is born from real life problems. There's an argument to be made that some art is purest from troubled people or horrific people because that's where you have to take it to get all that back.
I'm 33 now, and went to high school in the early 2000s. My friends and I were into the "pop punk" scene... Blink 182, Good Charlotte, Taking Back Sunday, New Found Glory; the typical emo stuff. I really loved these bands... but I just can't listen to them now. The songs about breakups and fights with friends seem so childish now that I'm a grown husband and father.
But Brand New is a different story. Deja Entendu felt like it opened my eyes to the weight of the world, and helped me mature. The songs had a weight and meaning that I just couldn't find on Dookie. They literally changed me.
Fast forward a few years to 2007 and I'm now living alone and uncertain about my future. I listened to The Devil and God... and again, I felt like it changed me as a person. I had never heard music about the personal relationship with God, and faith, that affected me so much. The pain and grief that comes with living separated from God, being a man of this fallen world, and dealing with travesties and tragedies. I can genuinely say it sparked a rejuvenation in my faith in Christ that I maintain to this day (and always will).
I know very little about the artists and their personal lives. All I know is, Brand New created two albums that helped me mature and grow into the man I am today. For that, I will always be thankful.
Awesome story as to how Brand New's music has influenced you.
I love Brand New and can say that they are my favourite band. I have enjoyed every album. Science Fiction being my favorite closely followed by The Devil and God are Raging Inside Me.
Great personal experience. I think that's all that matters.
God isn’t real
well said
Same, I think they prompted me to write songs come to think about it
I love them despite the controversy. This isn't a new story when it comes to the "tortured artist." In my experience, artists are at least as flawed as any other human. Listening to his lyrics makes that point extremely clear I think. When I look back at all my own actions throughout my life and those of the people I've known and loved, I have to understand nobody is only as good as their worst moments. People are far too complex and have so much more to them than just their mistakes.
i get what ur saying but being a pedo is not a normal human flaw
@@asakukarma Not trying to defend him but people need to stop throwing that around incorrectly. Pedofiles like prebubescent children. And "pedo" technically means child, so
100%
The car crash lines were about Taking Back Sunday’s singer when they had that feud
Yeah TBS copied brand news lyric , from brand new's seventy times seven.
Lryric:
Is this what you call tact?
I swear you're as subtle as a brick in the small of my back
So let's end this call
And end this conversation
Tbs responded back with there's no I in team, with that exact same lyric. People seem to forget Jesse lacey used to play bass for taking back sunday. That woulda been a super band if they never got into it over a girl. Regardless both bands were amazing on their own. Either way it turned out good for the fans. Wish they had at least 1 song together recorded before the split
Philip Hoy *backup singer/ guitarist it was John not Adam
I mean both bands literally threatened to shoot each other through songs
And both got popular, in part, because of it... and have said they (tbs) joke about playing it up “like some rap feud.” Ho hum
@@michaelll pretty sure the brand new lyric was first, the story was that Jesse Lacey said that over the phone to one of the members before he hung up one time
Science Fiction is one of the best albums ever written. Nothing will change that. Just like Louis CK, Jessie's allegations were known by fans well before 2017; I went into this album knowing that. I believe Science Fiction is a reflection of Jessie's guilty conscience. Like a not-so-subtle Freudian slip, planted within nearly every lyric (e.g. "Lit Me Up" & "It Could Never Be Heaven"). It is--by far--the band's darkest, most honest record, which makes it a macabre masterpiece.
D.K. Chyld The Devil And God and Daisy are better though
lol shut up
Jamie Howard definitely not garbage but wildly overrated by the fanbase. The Devil And God, Daisy and Deja are much better imo.
I thought this album was closure. I loved the concept too
I feel so many of their songs reflect.
Was listening to them when I was 14, now going on 26 and still am. Their music got me through so many hardships throughout high school, TDAG practically saved my life even.
I never thought of Jesse Lacey as sweet or kind, so when the news broke about the whole thing, I wasn’t completely shocked. It was still very disappointing though. I do believe that people can change, but that doesn’t rid them of the consequences of their actions at the end of the day. Despite all of those things, I still listen to Brand New consistently and would be thrilled if they ever came back with another album!
I listen to them at least once a week. Favorite band of all time
Atleast three times a week.
Which do you prefer... Deja Entendu, or Devil and God?
@@darrellcovello7917 devil and god. Hands down.
@@jlansdale536 I can't say I disagree! Deja Entendu is pretty close tho. Deja Entendu is easier to get into with a pretty wide variety of themes... but Devil and God is just so POWERFUL. Easily two of my favorite albums.
@@darrellcovello7917 deja has a lot of good songs like jaws theme swimming but the darkness of devil and god is so awesome especially limousine
“like a duck in the park when you bust out that white bread from the backseat of your car” BAHAHAHAHAH
I still listen to brand new and brand new is still my favorite band.
Saaame they’re hands down my favorite band 15 years and counting.
Agreed
who the fuuuuccck thought jesse lacy was a good, kind person after they released devil and god
Right? like lyrically, i wasn't really surprised to hear the allegations. And honestly, his behavior was how most guys acted in the dating scene during that time. I think a huge part of it was the growth from technological advancements. Men slowly discovering horniness and the ease with technology and now the repercussions. And all young guys rarely realize the damage they're doing to young girls. And young girls never realize how young they were until they're older and wonder why they let some guy get away with treating them like trash for so long. *shrugs* People on all fronts just have to improve, hopefully the next few generations will be admirable. Brand New is still painfully beautiful, and should still be respected.
Heather Connor you’re 100% correct about all of that
Brand new sucks ass....that is all.
you mean the guy who wrote Me vs Madonna vs Elvis did bad things?
@@corygarcia3215 A Mexican hates good music. Surprise, surprise. Go back to Mexico and listen to mariachi, asshole.
Still listening 2023
When I was getting into Brand New was within the months before the allegations. I remember the day the article came out and everything was a mess and I never knew who to talk about it with. In my experience, I was able to separate the art from the artist but it was mostly due to the fact that my connection with Brand New was still fresh and this band wasn’t just Jesse Lacey. These days I still listen to them, but there’s still that feeling deep down of disappointment for lack of a better word.
Honestly, thank you for making this, there weren’t many videos that discussed it in an open way and I respect that you took it upon yourself to do just that. It’s nice to see videos that are just different and less aggressive than what many others do these days. So thank you for that :)
No evidence he ever even did it.
1. Yes, I think it’s important to separate art from the artist.
2. Brand New will forever be my favorite band, and I will continue to listen to their music until I get tired of it.
That being said, I think the apology was very open and honest, and I didn’t take it as a “boohoo, cry for me” type apology. I don’t think Jesse was guilty of the large allegation, as the woman’s age doesn’t line up (she would have been 17-19, above the age of consent in America, while Jesse was ~21) and it has been corroborated that she went out of her way to sleep with “famous” band members. I do believe what was stated in the apology though, and Jesse was probably an abusive creep in the mid 2000’s. The music speaks volumes about Jesse, and while I don’t think he was a good person, he really made some incredible music with the band.
He is ego scentrix and abusive but there has never been any evidenxe he messed with minors.
It was pics dummies
@@greenghost-xi5jp there no pics of him with minors. if there were he'd be in prison for at the very least child pornography
tuchesuavae probably not there’s a statue of limitation. I feel if there were pictures of him with minors though it would’ve spread way more than it did
@@ManoBDraycko there id no statue of limitation on pefophilia. Child porn, rape. Or murder
Compared to Ian Watkins from The Lost Prophets Jesse's a saint
agreed. especially since the lost prophets guy was actually convicted. all the jesse stuff is still technically unconfirmed. Did it happen? Maybe. Idk. I'll never know for sure.
What is with these emo crying singers and their love for prepubescent children or underage teens? Like that weirdo "kid" named Austin something?
@@Cipher_Nine they're both wrong nonetheless and in an ideal world, Lacey would be in prison as well
@@RyanGray616 well prison comes when victims actually go to the police.
@@TM-bn8pv lmao if you think it’s just “emo crying singers” who do it, you have no idea. It doesn’t happen any more in this genre than others, the community just cares more about it when it does happen.
Listening to their albums you can really feel every last drop of emotion they put into them. The pain they've experienced, the uncertainty, the fear - but also they pain they've inflicted. How some lessons have gone unlearnt. It's the human condition, and a harrowing personal story told across 5 albums.
I can't stop listening to the "devil and God" album
It'll forever be my favorite album.
It's unbelievably good!!
I’ll always appreciate Brand New & Morrissey.
based
Don’t forget may
Your boyfriend does too
When I first heard The Quiet Things That No One Ever Knows I thought it was by Morrissey because the radio d.j. only said Morrissey had been played until I found out who it really was.
What about The Smiths???? 😂😂😂😂😂
I discovered Brand New in early 2015, and fell in love with them in early 2017. Brand New became my favorite band of all-time, surpassing Avenged Sevenfold which had been my favorite since I was a young kid. They’ve been there for me through some really horrible times. They were there when I had no friends, when I met some nice people that I wanted to be my friends, through unrequited love. I’d already been having a really horrible day when I saw the news about Jesse break, and it solidified it as one of the worst days of my life. But, I also found myself not feeling very shocked. Even years before it, with The Boy Who Blocked His Own Shot and Me vs Maradona vs Elvis (my two favorite songs) his behavior seemed evident. Jesse struck me as a beautiful lyricist who is also a broken man, knowing he’s done really fucked up things. A deeply narcissistic man who cares too much about his own gratification to change himself and yet, I find myself more and more drawn to him with every listen. Maybe in some ways I feel similar to him, though I’ve never done anything like what he did. His apology struck me as a sincere attempt at redemption and if Andrea Lacey’s occasional posts about him are any indication, he seems to have found it. I still listen to their music almost everyday and certainly every week, and probably always will. It’s a shame I was screwed out of seeing them live a few years ago, and now I never can. I only hope someday I can thank him for the incredible music and wish him well.
Thank you for your video!
I am from Crimea, I came to USA aim 1996 and now I am an American.
Just week ago I discovered Brand New, I was born in 1975, grew up listening Doors, Tool, Faith No More, Nirvana, Alice In Chains… Doors and Tool still my favorite…
The Brand New is wonderful music with deep meaningful lyrics and what the artist has done does not taking away his talent, plus take it personally and judge all members of the band is wrong, they did not participate in his terrible act. Me personally, after watching your video, I began understand some of his lyrics on deeper level, I sew some gilt and expression of trying to understand his dark side of his. Art is reflection, the mirror of artist’s subconsciousness.
Man I listened to Charles Manson’s Album.
Brand New is okay.
And people buy John Wayne Gacy's paintings and no one bats an eye at that.
sadv0m _ pretty girl is a jam tbh
Word. I listen to that first ever Scientology music album, produced by Hubbard utilizing 21 year old indentured mental servants dressed like a navy as the musicians, on his Sea Org vessel The Apollo.
It's jazz and it's called Power Of Source by the Apollo Stars and it's actually lit.
Phineas Gage imma check that out tbfh
Michael Jackson did twice as worse and the dude is celebrated.
The best band ever. Will always miss that I never saw them live
Saw them 8 times, and saw them a few years back we were the first ones on the tour back in 2017 with science. And boom that news broke a week later
"big blanket apology" -- thanks for calling that out
Honestly… I’m still having a hard time dealing with the fact that this is what ended the band...
This band was ending before that, they even had plans to stop touring indefinitely before any of this happened.
It took me a while, but I still listen to Brand New. There will never be another band like them in my life, and no one's music speaks to me in the same way theirs does. They've had an impact on my life I can't really explain and Deja Entendu changed the game in so many ways for me. As a super selfish fan in that case, what's always hurt me the most (apart from the betrayal type of feeling) was the fact that I never got closure. I was supposed to see them a few days after the allegations came out, and I entirely knew it was going to be my last time seeing them. Very obviously they cancelled the tour, and my last time seeing them ended up being them as a support band and me missing part of the first song because the guy selling me my ticket turned up late. (I have probably completely idealised what "the last time seeing Brand New live" would be like). And I know we're not entitled to closure from any band, ever, but it still hurts to know I will never have it.
I rarely ever admit to any of that because it's so frowned upon by cancel culture to still need something out of the work of an artist who's done something terrible, and it's made me question whether I was a horrible person or not for it. The whole comment section is really reassuring.
This is a great video, by the way. :)
Brand New will always be one of my 4 all time favorite bands.
The Devil And God, man… takes me back to a really shitty time, but, idk, it’s the nostalgia. 🤷🏻♀️
I think that after the allegations a lot of his work came into focus with the new perspective. No one is completely good or completely bad. People are complex, and this was a young man who was clearly broken, thrust into a position of fame and power. What he did was wrong, I don't defend his actions, but sadly it's par for the course when rock stars do this. Throughout the lifespan of rock music, you saw young women (saw a documentary about two 14 year old girls doing this) with members of guns and roses, ac/DC, Clapton, Hendrix, Jimmy page, and society as a whole still holds these people up for the work they've done.
In his apology Jesse stated that he'd been receiving help for years for his problems. That he had already been working on fixing himself for a while before the allegations come out. He didn't deny doing it either, unlike so many people accused of similar things at the time. I hope he is doing well and that he continues to learn and grow as a person. I hope the people he hurt are able to get what they need to heal and live happy fulfilling lives.
We as fans aren't entitled to closure, you're right. But I will still be thankful for the entire band and how their work enriched my life. Deja Entendu helped me get through bouts of depression, the devil and God helped me with my own crisis of faith and crisis of identity, and science fiction gave me a place of comfort when dealing with my divorce.
My cousin handed me the Deja Entendu album in November 2003, I have been a fan since then, and will continue to be
Nobody's perfect, we all make mistakes.... he without sin cast the first stone.
I'm 59 years old and I still listen to Brand New everyday
Wow nice
I agree with the sentiment, but nothing excuses any form of sexual assault.
Ahh such a hard topic I feel guilty listening sometimes and sometimes I can listen without issue which I’ve been criticized for by friends. I definitely don’t excuse any abusive anything towards others but this music spoke to my soul and at the time helped me cope with life. It’s still such a hard topic I don’t believe in writing anyone off but we aren’t owed the answers that we need to really take a stance
I am 49 and they are like my fav bad
I stand by the notion Deja is what the smiths would have sounded like if they had started in that era
Except the Smiths would have sounded like the Smiths no matter what decade they ended up releasing their music in because Morrissey...
I really thought you knew!
I can separate and Brand New is still in my top 3 favorite bands! I listen to them every single day! I was there when they only had YFW and their music will be with me until I’m in the ground.
I have many memories tied to their music. It is part of the mosaic of my early teen life. What happened is unforgivable but I still do listen to their music from time to time especially when I feel nostalgic for what are in retrospect more simple times.
my all time favorite band was Jank. my heart was broken once the news that the frontperson was an abuser and the band broke up. it still hurts me. so i can relate to this so much
yeah wasn't that the guy from panuccis pizza? I was gutted when the news came out
frankie says xanax yup. I’m from the Philly area (specifically a town named Downingtown where Pannucis Pizza was actually based out of) so i saw the whole scenes collective response first hand. Jank is a very dirty word in Philly. There’s no “separate the art from the artist” when it comes to Jank/Pannucis Pizza. Because Lous actions were completely reprehensible (assault of a minor). Still though, i miss that music so much. Remo Drive came close to being a proper follow up to what Jank started, but their debut is their only album worth listening to.
yeah I mean, lou is such a good songwriter but such a bad person, I really try to separate the music from him and what he did but it just isn't the same. I'm glad his past members distanced themselves from him though
Let's not forget Brand New is more then just Jessie Lacy. It's about the whole BAND. I won't ever forget trying to learn all the bass line's off Your favorite weapon, Deju Entindu, etc. Knowing that Jessie Lacy did something horrible to someone else doesn't take away from how much I love this band. Sorry to say but being a die hard fan for over 14-15 year's won't change how I feel about EVERYONE else in the BAND. Everyone thinks a singer is the BAND. Being a bass player in many band's I can say while they might get the most attention their wouldnt be a band without everyone else. Now say they all get accused of some crazy shit then yeah I can step away but knowing how much everyone else in the band rocks I gotta say still a huge fan.
Corky 420 “the boy who blocked his own shot” will always have such an immensely powerful and special place in my heart, resonating with the lyrics. its a shame Jessie did these things. looking back on some of the songs, yeah the lyrics were sketchy... But I still love and appreciate their work :(
That’s exactly it. It’s like people think of Jesse Lacey as the entirety of the band which is ridiculous. There’s so much more I could say lol.
you didn't need to reveal that you are a bass player... we all figured that out by the second sentence and the ALL CAPS use with BAND!
LOL!
To be honest, this is the first time I’ve heard of the allegations and still don’t know exactly what he has been accused of. This is one reason why I don’t dig too deep into personal lives of artists, I guess ignorance is bliss. It’s like the whole “never meet your heroes” thing. I’m not saying I don’t ever go beyond the art to learn about the artist, but I’m very selective about who and why.
Honestly, I wasn't that surprised about Jesse Lacey being a sexual predator. His music never exactly made it seem like he was a moral paragon, y'know?
The music's still rad, and I'm still a huge fan - The guy's a piece of shit, but he never made himself out to be anything else.
feet of clay
@@halowaffle25 it's called an allegation.
@@duskat1555 It's not like he denied it.
@@duskat1555 and yet he admitted it happened and appologized for it......🤔
I wasn’t following them by 2017, but listening to the early music I assumed he had a guilty conscience about something like this. The lyric “a millstone around my neck,” was kind of a giveaway.
I listen to all their albums to this day. One of my favorite bands of all time. When they run out of money, they'll be back with another album, and I'll buy it too.
Saying My Favorite Weapon is an immature album is just wrong. Imo it’s way ahead of what their contemporaries were doing in almost every sense
Honestly I think it depends how bad the artist is on if you should separate the art from the artist. I don’t listen to brand new anymore unless I’m feeling really really low
First video I've seen of yours. I LOVE the writing style you have. Great vid. I feel like I have such a connection to the music, since I did literally grow up with this band, I personally can separate the artist from the music. The music is my childhood and almost every important event in my life is linked with it.
Brand new is still on of my favorite bands as far as the music goes. The people aren’t my people to judge. I don’t condone anything he may or may not have allegedly done. But their music got me through some of the hardest times of my life during my teenage years. Brand news music will forever hold a special place in my musical library.
They still went out on top in my mind.
On top of a pile of poo!
It's a legacy that aged beautifully, every album is still listenable even today
Once I'm given an impression of the personality or behavior of an artist, I don't think I ever fully separate the art from the artist, regardless of whether or not they've done anything that is morally reprehensible. Any time I listen to it, how I think about it and process it is affected by that impression. The way I feel when I listen to Brand New now is markedly different than it was in 2010. While that change occurred gradually for the most part, the most drastic shift in my view of their music was after I learned about the allegations against Jesse Lacey (around the time Science Fiction came out).
That said, I still listen to Brand New a lot. Every few days. Even though I always have that awareness at the back of my mind, the music still gives me some catharsis and comfort when I listen to it.
Sweet dude great story
@@raykw5271 Was that sarcasm?
you’re really good at metaphors and story telling my dude! makes ur videos so interesting :)
Dude I needed someone to talk about this. Thanks for the closure
Nice vid. 1. Yes I can separate the art from the artist. If we didn’t do that there wouldn’t be much art to appreciate. 2. Hell yes I still listen to brand new.
Yeah, still a fan. Still listen to them every day. Great band. Great lyrics.
ajaded1 same lol I love them to death
I love the direction you’re heading with all your latest videos
My band just finished our first LP where Brand New tracked Science Fiction. Energy in that room is magical, and our album will definitely be for fans of Brand New.
This will always be my favorite band and I will always thank Jesse for what his music meant to my life no matter what.
Imagine being raped by him.
This video is next level Nate. Love what you've been making lately! I still jam this band all the time. Will always be one of my all time favorites.
Yes & yes! I've been listening to them since Deja was released. They have such a unique sound, each album evolving through the years. There's no other band I've listened to that are like them.
I went to a show Oct 2017 and it was absolutely amazing! Then the news broke and I wasn't sure how to feel at first. Definitely disappointed and it's obvious Jesse has his own demons. But I still love the connection I have with the music and will continue listen to it.
I do still throw on Brand New here and there, the nostalgia of first 3 albums, take me back to highschool and still kick ass today. I like to think (or I guess not think) of the people behind the music and just take the art for what it is. I mean, the majority of bands i'm really loving today thanks to spotify, I have no idea who the members are, how many members there are, their names, if they are good bad criminals, etc. So. yes I can separate the Art from the person, because much of the art I listen to I have no idea who they are beyond the band name anyway.
This some sad shit man. Late in the game but been wanting to see them since 2014 and now I never will rip
seen them nine times since 2001.
you didn't bring up tbsunday drama?
Man the nostalgia hits hard. I bought Your Favourite Weapon on a whim in HS and was instantly a fan. It was fun to take the journey with Brand New after each album release. At the same time, their discography presents a window into their collective psyche. As the albums progress, their music points toward a downward emotional and mental spiral. I honestly wasn’t surprised at the allegations, because Lacey just seemed like a tortured soul. In spite of it all, Deja Entendu is one of my favorite albums of all time. The artists disappoint-even sicken-us, but the art they made still lives.
thanks for this video. i can tell a lot of effort has been out into creating it.
What’s with all the dislikes? Seems a pretty even-handed approach to a difficult topic.
Sam Fraser Always them negative idiots
Might be all the little details that he got wrong that cause the dislikes. But I agree, I thought it was handle fairly tastefully.
because he put his shoes on without socks
The video was made to be overly dramatic, overly long, 2nd worst category to clickbait. I would call out what a diva he is or my cringing but I fully expect it was completely fake (the “I’m so hurt” sentiment) (*think vlogger w/ “we’re getting divorced?? 🥺” in thumb. Shit content.
Some people would rather him just get to the point. Everyone listening already knows who Brand New is
I was 16 when Brand New came out with their first CD, and I bought it right away. Since I was young, I identified with the angst-y Pop Punk sound and lyrics. I had the privilege of maturing with the band. I was always a die hard fan, and introduced Brand New to lots of people. I can completely separate their work from any actions they may have done. There are famous rappers that have done MUCH worse things and no one cares, so it's unfortunate that there's a double-standard.
is the one clip you keep using in the video from North Star Bar in Philly?
We celebrate the tortured musings of a broken artist until the man behind those words turns out he's just as broken as his music is. Nothing a human being can do will ever be more powerful than the art they create. Fuck the thumbnail of this video. Brand New's music will forever be cancel proof. I've listened to them for over a decade, own all their vinyl, and I didn't even know Jesse's name until watching this video. The point is that it doesn't matter. We can never imagine the anxiety and darkness that comes with the pressure of not letting the world down with every word that you write. I''ll listen to their music forever.
Fact change... the line from 70x7 he was actually telling john nolan to get in a car crash not an ex... coz jesse and him had a massive fall out from taking back sunday...in fact that act comes a phome call jesse n john had.. and those same lines appear on a tbs song.
falloutboy25 yeah this is facts.
@@Joe2Jamarr i always thought that he was in tbs at the time and his best friend got the girl he knew Jesse wanted. Which is pretty fucked up lol i mean its a friend code dude so i bet that really did hurt
Blown well out of proportion. People acting like he killed someone or something. I still listen to them as regularly as I ever did. They didn't need to nuke their career over this.
I thought "me v maradona v Elvis" was a character writing exercise not autobiographical and now I'm uncomfortable listening to them. I don't think that's "blown out of proportion" and I think it's how most brand new fans felt.
Completely agree I Grew up with them I’m still going to listen to them nothings really changed for me
@@FrecklesOpenMic "Most" is another overstatement. Yes there is a faction of people who disowned the band over this nonsense but it seems the majority actually didn't. Everybody I know who listened to them before still does.
@@FrecklesOpenMic shut up dork
FrecklesOpenMic that song is about him picking up a drunk girl in a bar nothing to do with his allegations
I still listen to Brand New because it takes me back to some really good times in my youth. I didn't know about all these things back then, so the feeling that the music gives me is untainted.
The only exception if I go back and listen to "Me vs Maradona vs Elvis," knowing what we know now it makes me feel a little icky inside.
Great video man. Honestly the whole situation just sucks. Brand New was one of my favourite bands ever and their music got me through many hard times.
And I remember seeing them for the last time in June 2016 when they debuted that "Brand New 2000-2018" shirt. It was cool because I thought it was an interesting reference to the "I''m gonna stay 18 forever" lyric in "Soco Amaretto Lime". So at that point I thought I had 2 more years to see this legendary band close on a high note. But then all the news broke out about Jesse's past and it really changed things for me as a fan. I didn't want to believe it. It was so insane to comprehend. But after that it was just so hard to listen to the music. Especially all the albums after "Your Favourite Weapon". It is interesting because his wrong doings are almost evident in many of his songs.
Anyway, I went for like 2+ years not listening to the music but have tried more recently. I don't listen to all of it but some of it, but it will never be the same. R.I.P. Brand New (2000-2017)
I will always listen to Brand New.
Separating the art from the artist is extremely important in this case IMO. Because the music is so iconic, and it just grows up with you over the years then to suddenly just say on wow 1of the 4 creators of this amazing art is a terrible person so I can no longer enjoy these songs that got me through so much, just seems crazy to me. I do still listen to the music, but I haven't bought anything or financially supported the band since I saw them live back in 2016.
Kayla Macadaeg XXXtentacion?
There is noy a single shred of evidence that supporys the allegations. Claim eas made. Accuser claims to have e-mails but won't present them, says they have im messages ,won't show them. Refuses to press charges.
Yeah its weird, people seem to have no problems still loving Michael Jackson and what he did was 10x worse then anything Jesse Lacey did, but Lacey career and reputation have both been completely destroyed. All I ever heard him being accused of was receiving nudes from a 17 y/o girl when he was in his early 20s, which obviously isnt good, but to make him out to be this terrible sexual predator seems a bit much.
@@baronbad5907 michael as actully proven to be innocent by a lot of evidence dismantling the allegations.
@@AnonURnot I don't listen to xxxtentacion so I honestly have no clue about him. I only know that he died?? So yah
I got to see them play in Jax right before they cancelled the tour and it was AMAZING! will always play their jams
You are mad lucky was meant to see them in Dublin like 2 days after the news dropped. Always gonna be sad about not seeing them
@@brodiefeeney987 i got to see them in charelston right before they ended the tour too. Such an amazing show. One of the best ive seen of them. They had an amazing set up and ive never seen a show that amazing with effects
Good video I didn’t know all of this. Still one of my favorite bands that I will continue to listen too. Maybe we will get lucky and get a reunion tour sometime in the future
I still listen to Brand New and they will always remain one of my favorite bands, their music helped me out so much and it's hard to just throw that away.
For me, it's less of separating the artist from the music, but separating the music from the memories. Music is so nostalgic and it has the power to take me back to a different time. I remember growing with Brand New, and listening to songs with my friends and getting excited when we found their vinyl. It felt like our own little club of people and it was great. I remember hearing the news and being so confused by the outcome.
Now, when I see a Brand New vinyl at the shop, I feel the immediate excitement followed by the realization that things aren't how they use to be. I'm always unsure how to feel about it all. Do I punish the other band members for one's actions? Am I supporting them, or the local record store if I choose to buy their vinyl? Dare I sing along in the car when Mixtape comes on? Maybe y'all have some answers because I literally don't know.
this is exactly how i feel.
Yes and yes 🤷🏻♀️ sometimes I can’t with certain bands/artists. I honestly never even knew anything about the band members until this happened.
I like the way you made this video, the way you put everything. Only reason I know them is cause on my old phone in like 2015 randomly my phone turned on and played their first album and I was like what is this it's good lol
you can appreciate the art and not the artist. i still listen to brand new. doesn't bug me.
Stefan Eulenstein and morrissey
I read on a Reddit comment last year one of the members is spending time in slab city getting away from the drama but told a fan that this isn't it for the time they want to take the time for healing and not just jumping back into things also everyone who follows Jessie's wife on Instagram should know that almost every picture you see Jessie's acoustic. Rumors online say the band still talk and still are writing stuff I'm a huge fan and I dig deep for answers. I grew up with brand new literally. It hurt me to see what happened but time heals there worse people out there one thing you missed since I have seen the band many times Jessie has the worst anxiety every and would drink and smoke pot before every show. they were so horrible live but in later years they sounded really good probably. There's not a day that goes by that I wish I got to see them one last time. Tickets would sell out in minutes
I saw them live probably about 5 years ago and they were pretty good
It did hurt to find this out...there are definitely worse people out there but I’ll just never be able to wrap my head around how a 24-year-old could possibly want to do anything sexual with a 15-year-old...it’s so gross. I know he was pretty young and a lot of guys are like that when they’re younger but that’s still no excuse. I hope he got/gets the help he needs but even more so I hope those girls do!
Of course I still listen to brand new. I grew up with their music from the very beginning and it shaped me into who I am. I was in junior high when your favorite weapon came out, and it was all I listened to. Its the type of music for me that brings me back to that specific time in life when I hear it, and I'm thankful for that. The music and the artist are always different. Most of the time your favorite artist is a dick when you get to meet them so I've always cared more about the music than the person.
I had the idea of writing a song on this when I heard the news. Was gutted. Only got a few lines in before abandoning the idea.
He said, "It's better when you don't know.
Seperate the art from the artist in your headphones"
And if I took apart my own head,
Could I seperate the counting from the flock that it had bred?
"And maybe I can be your hero"
With you behind the wheel, an All-American libido
When I saw them in 2016 they already had the 2000-2018 theme going, so I felt like it was coming to an end anyway. Honestly I will say I listen to them a little less now, but to say I never throw on Deja/YFW/Devil and God these days would be false. Those were like defining albums for me in middle and high school.
Also I'm curious why you didn't wanna get into the Taking Back Sunday drama. People were talking about that a ton during the Daisy - Science Fiction days.
Anyway another great video my dude.
Allen Yee they had already planned the end. Jesse has been going through therapy and dealing with his guilt for the kind of person he was years ago. The allegation came out after they announced the end and after they dropped the new album. People have corroborated that she lied about being a minor and the allegation was unfit under (at least as far as sleeping with a minor). I feel like that was a grasp for attention or some sort of retribution for the way he acted with her. He has admitted to being a creep and a sex addict with lots of issues when it came to the like.
I still listen to Brand New all the time, recently started listening to them everyday again, like I used to when I was a young person.
Jesse’s writing and the band’s music is incredible, full of complex emotions and masterful musicality.
I’ve never understood people who can’t separate the art from the artist. Lots of masterpieces in our history have been made by complex, damaged and disturbed, and most importantly, flawed human beings.
The Internet, deciding that somebody is a bad person doesn’t mean shit to me . Their music wouldn’t have been what it was without Jesse being the exact person he is.
I’d wager everything I have that lots of the people who dismissed them after this “news” broke out, have done, extremely shitty and despicable things in their lives too.
I’m not condoning Jesse’s behavior, but complicated people do fucked things, it’s human nature.
I mean, if you listen to the music and read his lyrics, you know that there are some dark things going on inside this man you can’t see that and you’re not really comprehending the words
Maybe analyze why you can't understand those people. Separating art from artist isn't just some binary dichotomy. There's an unquantifiable spectrum here that you're just trying to ignore in favor of the convenience of polarity. "The internet", as you put it, isn't some monolith that makes decisions.
And to wager everything you have that anybody who thinks this guy is a predator and deserves to be judged accordingly is just as bad is proof of how much of a foolish take you're clinging to. Extreme bets that can never be cashed in on drawn on conclusions built off of assumptions from elementary rational fallacies.
Complicated people do fucked up things but so do simple people. Being "complicated" doesn't necessitate being a shitbag.
I'm glad you can still enjoy the music but to decry those who can't, or whose enjoyment is diminished as being unable to form comprehensive perspectives on the matter is just narrow minded and arrogant.
Thank you for this video. I still listen to Brand New. I grew up on Brand New. I saw them in Albuquerque, New Mexico a few years back.
Yes and yes. I really love brand new for where they were in my life and how much I connect to some of those songs from the 1st 2 albums.
Lol you switched Vincent and Brian
came here to say this.
Yeah, dropped the ball.
Lol yeah I was like huh wait a second
Finally found one! I had to scroll so far down to find this comment.
Bryan Castro lmaoooooo
Yes I can separate. And yes I still listen, in fact Brand New is my top station on Pandora. I think we all have demons and have all done things we don’t want brought to life. Glass houses and stones man
I still love, and listen to brand new. When your favorite weapon came out it spoke to that raging hormonal teen who felt so closely related to what I was hearing.