Here's How CHALLENGER Players play DIFFERENTLY To Win In LOW ELO - Play Like a Pro
Vložit
- čas přidán 24. 03. 2024
- 🔵Patreon - Watch my coaching sessions: / / coachrogue
🔵Book a coaching sessions with me:
metafy.gg/@roguelol
🔵Join my community Discord / ask me any questions: / discord
My video on tempolines (mentioned in the video): • What are TEMPO LINES? ... - Hry
One of the things I had to learn is that my team is doing this shit even in plat, not just bronze and silver. As a support, when you know your team is going to int and take 2v3s for an unwinnable grub fight you pretty much have to roam even if it's a better play to give up the objective and play around bot.
I've also learned that I need to try as early as possible to figure out who can carry and make plays for them rather than focusing on supporting an unstoppably lost bot lane.
Switching from a "best move" mentality to a "best play given my team" mentality has also helped my mental a ton. Big shout out to Coach Cupcake as well for similar teaching in his mentality series
as a fellow support i relate to all of this
but i still cant get out of silver (:
I disagree. Your team mates do dumb shit, dosn't mean you have to join the dumb party to try to fix it.
If you play in Iron and you yourself follow the iron plays to "fix" them, you are another iron more doing iron shit with better micro. But the plays are still iron.
For my experience, you have to do the right plays no matter what, dosn't matter no one follows, or your team is running it down. If you play like them because they are bad, you become as bad as them.
About roamming, you are right. I have leaved botlane even at level1 multiple times after seeing my adc tanking all the incoming second wave and all-in. I just leave him to die not even wasting heal even if i can 100% save him, mute him and leash the jungler all game long doing double ganks without taking any of his xp. And all xp i get is from fixing lanes after ganks, cover dives, etc. Works pretty well in most cases.
To me support is all about fight for vision. You always make picks in soloQ because people don't group for fight for vision. Do it in the right time and the right place, ping a lot, and you win even the most unwinnable games.
Currently platinum is the old gold
Same in challenger as well
plat is just shiny silver
The only thing that I would disagree with is that the bad teammates in iron actually hold people back that much. I recently climbed two of my old alt accounts out of iron and silver to learn mid and top lane, and I won nearly every single game with ease even on champs I'm not good with because I could just solo kill my opponents for free every game. It didn't matter how bad my team was when I was turbo fed every game.
People stuck in those ranks lack some core game knowledge or mechanics that are holding them back.
Maybe in Iron, but there are too many good players in Bronze and Silver and many champs can't just roam around and solo kill like this Renekton can. When I see accounts that climbed quickly out of Bronze they typically did it on a win streak which led to rapid LP gains. If you are "only" winning 2 out of 3 games it takes much longer. Assassins like Nocturne and Evelynn can rack up 15+ kills but still can't force a win because they need to be the one ambushing, they can't solo push because if they get ambushed they die, they need a halfway functional team.
@@crispyquesadilla I have questions about your understanding about the game when you classify Nocturne as an assassin carry that takes kills, and Evelynn as someone that can't solo carry games.
@@anyone6830 Evelyn can only kill one at a time, so if the enemy groups and pushes, and the rest of your team feeds them what are you going to do? She relies on her team to push, so she works better at higher ELO.
@@crispyquesadilla In lower elo, I hope you also noticed the tendency of players being dumb shts and walk in lane farm alone. Eve with good farm and standard kp can no problem kill any none-tank walking alone mid game without using R. Even if you get low after kill, you heal of passive and just do it again before the death timer of the first person completes. And I love how you only attempts at my point on Evelyn, and ignore nocturne, cus u know ur wrong.
@@crispyquesadilla You are so wrong. Anything below diamond is free lp. You don't even need to play well to win just do the right play half the time and its over. Your teammates aren't holding you back you are.
Second thing to consider in that Caitlyn keystone example is that Ashe is really an all-in kind of support. Taking lethal tempo with an Ashe support just makes sense regardless of your ELO.
no it doesnt, higher elo ashe want to take hail of blades as thats the lane dominant rune, you poke and reset then continue. if you run lethal tempo in lane against higher elo enemy bot lane especially ones that can engage on you then disengage, you're not gonna be able to use lethal tempo effectively. Also lethal tempo on late game ashe is also not that great consider ashe is super immobile so if if she doesnt have the gold income as she would queued up as an adc then shes not gonna be doing much damage even with lethal.
@@ericchun5576you take lethal tempo on Cait, obviously not on Ashe.
"taking lethal tempo *with* an ashe support"
@@ericchun5576
As a Silver Renekton player, you've sold me on trying more Ignite instead of TP, and given me some much-needed food for thought on how to play mid-game in games like this. Thanks for the video!
You don't always need to take ignite, but I would default to it
Dropping some solid instruction, thank you so much! You explain things more clearly than anyone else I've come across
THE BEST LOW ELO COACH ON CZcams talking real facts that really apply to real low ELO games. Unlike some people "cough cough skillcapped".
Needed a video like this, thanks legend
Great video much more information than others who just teach high Eli concepts
8:33 "At least the enemy is going to learn from their lesson." Ha.
Got auto-filled to adc as a jungle Kayn onetrick today, thanks to your advice I've won my laning phase ultilizing minion wave and spacing against Alistar
I loved the video! Would you mind making a similar one for jungle. Im currently struggling to make the climb from Diamond to Masters as a Jungle player
What do I do when the blue team is my team and I'm just a 4/0 adc
The exact same thing happened to me; was stuck in Iron 3-4 for 3 years, made a new account and have been steadily holding onto gold 3 for about 4 months since creating a new account
The same thing is true for fighting games. If you try to fight bottom level players the same way you do mid or high level ones, you'll end up taking a lot of damage or even losing because you're trying to do the "right" thing when your opponent is making decisions with no real rhyme or reason. It's one reason why players who are just learning how to play properly tend to have way more problem with so-called "scrubs" VS people around their own level.
How do you feel about how most top champ picks you either pick an op broken champ like garen or reksai tank that doesnt die at all?
14:50 LOL I love it 😂
I am an akali 1 trick but whenever I fall down to iron or low bronze, It's fiora and afk splitpushing straight back out
When I made a new account I climbed very quickly to gold. But then I got so accustomed to playing like a noob that when I was finally matched up against plat enemies I was making basic mistakes. It's essential you change your playstyle in each ELO.
Is 5:35 iron 3, silver 3, or platinum 3?
Silver.
insightful as always
really valuable insight shared, ty
What about press of attack?
I know what you mean about keystones like in low elo i take pta on aphelios whenever I can and in diamond (top of low elo xD) I take more nuanced runes to eek out small advantages. I loved your tempo lines video from earlier but maybe this video should have a disclaimer saying don't do this if your adc, the role is too gold reliant to drop free sidewaves and when you move to the fights that you forsee coming, your low elo team isn't going to peel for you anyway. I understand that sometimes your team flips a fight and you have no choice but to participate but you should hold off on that fight unless you believe it to be game defining or ending, where in low elo i find you can just carry teamfights later because your better with 4 items then the enemy team is with 5. At least that's how I view this tactic as an adc player.
Really helpful resource, beast coach
I've never heard all of this being discussed in guides, genuinely very interesting and seems quite important to know
Issue is when the enemy has the super fed laner. Like an adc , and your teams keeps dying for fun l. And their top laner is split pushing the whole game and u gotta contest and they complain cause u don’t group lol with a yorixkntop melting turrets
The formula to beat sideline Yorick is to 5 man the other lane. Not contest him.
imagine finding a dude that never played league of legends free to create new account, hand level, listen to your advices and see where he will land in like six months or however it takes
this kinda piss me off, i main jungler each time my ohter lanes get behind they ping me saying you never ganked me then i gank them and we both died, then they flame me for inting like fr man tf
I have like 350 games this season already (I am a bronze 1). To STAY in bronze 1 and not fall to bronze 2 i need a crazy winrate. Each win is 16-21 LP and each loss is 30-36 LP. Each time i loose as much as 36 LP it’s grinding my gears. I didn’t count it exactly, but my winrate is probably like 65-70%…? Something like that.
create a new account bro its done
How do you zoom out so far in the replay 😮
Ctrl shift z. !
Its so easy to win games in bronze if you are good, A true diamond player on a bronze account could easily have a 60%+ winrate. And you only have to climb out of bronze once, your elo doesn't really reset between seasons.
thank you for the knowledge you have shared
question, could you please do one for adc, or so you only teach top and mid?
This video is for all roles my friend, the first 2-3 minutes were all clips of ADC even HAHAH
@@CoachRogue the thing is the proxy and roam isn't really possible on bot lane cause you need jngl to be able to proxy and that doesn't really happen much in low elo if you do you have any advice would be nice especially cause it's very hard to play side lane during mid-late game as adc unless you're trist
he didnt say to proxy he said to zone off your oponent from the lane and keep farming, and if they come fight you then they die, proxying is just a way to do it
@@ultimate1450 I see thanks for the clarification!
I guess it can be done through freezing too yea?
@@ultimate1450 I see thanks for the clarification!
I guess it can be done through freezing too yea?
kassadin is still busted in low elo, the flip side of inting early is your opponents can't close out games, had 90% winrates in gold plat with kassa
In gold and plat? That just means you were supremely better than your opponents. At that rank, people are more than capable of snowballing out of control.
That might work in Bronze, maybe in low Silver, but certainly not possible in Gold and higher.
@@jyashineven 7 - 0 players in gold Im not worried, either they have shit farm or will do something stupid.
@@jyashinonly if they are playing master yi or something. Not scared of any legitimate gold or plat player snowballing out of control on 99% of champs
Yep agreed. Kinda contrary to what is said in the video, I feel like scaling late game champs are really strong in low Elo, simply because the games always stretch and the end game fights are the ones that matter the most.
First comment on Coach Rouge video day is good
15:54 I would've taken out mid tower/inhib
Man, ELO hell exists...IF you get almost no points when you win and loose a lot when you get defeated and you constantly have teams that feed hyper carrys on the other side, try to explain logically how should one climb. I have seen a lot of player do that fresh acc thing and get do diamond+ with ease. It is just not the same game, as you can all see in the video. Why are people crying so much about it on this comment section? BTW high value video with a different approach here, nicely done Rogue.
Yep, this. ELO hell is completely fake, UNLESS your gains and losses force an absurd winrate in order for you to climb. It happened to me last season where I promoted to emerald and instantly went on a pretty big loss streak, but was prevented from demotion. After the loss streak I was getting +17, -27 or something absurd like that. I had to then go on an 80% wr streak over 40+ games to Emerald 2, AND THEN demote all the way back to emerald 4 with a 50% wr before my mmr finally corrected itself - all due to one loss streak at Emerald 4 0lp. This has been an issue for a long time, but it seems riot is finally taking steps to address it by decreasing demotion protection and lowering your lp by a further 25 when you get demoted.
My problem with the video intro is that he doesn't qualify his statement at all. He just says "your teammates are holding you back", which is not only completely wrong, but also MEGA toxic to the community, AND has almost nothing to do with the rest of the video which is only about low-elo habits. Yes, under the old ranked systems, if your mmr is fucked but you're significantly improving as a player, you will do much better starting on a fresh account. But he needs to explain that, rather than enforcing the delusions of low-elo players that they're better than they really are.
If u can play in diamond you are able to get 30+ kills every game below plat I have tested bro it’s not hard
Define seen a lot of players. Diamond is like top 4 percent maybe even less. I don't buy all of these hidden diamond players getting stuck in iron and bronze. The best argument this video makes is for climbing out of low ranks more optimally but no diamond player is getting stuck in iron. That's a fantasy low elo players tell themselves and I'm not sure why this guy is reinforcing this delusion other than sensationalism.
@@JoyfulSeal-sh9cw It's because he wants to ingratiate himself to the low elo community. It's profitable for him to propagate misinformation if it gets him more clicks views and subscribers.
There isn't an elo hell ppl just don't know how to win in their elo. I watch enough streamers to know they stomp low elo. And if I even drop below plat I win almost every game
Btw elo hell does exist, u can possibly climb only if you are smurfing , basically if u play in gold u gotta play at least at plat-emerald level if u wanna climb, players do make mistakes that's true but you can see that clearly because you are challenger bro xd
I don't agree with the early champs and early runnes approach. You can perfectly play Kassadin with fleet and 1vs9 all low elo games without losing a single one until diamond+. I have tryied both approachs in smurfs and late game champions that can 1vs9 in teamfights are the best approach. That dosn't mean that you can't pick Riven and drop 50 kills in silver and destroy the game. But there will be some games that you are 20/0 and you lose with those early game champs just for comps. For example Riven against Nautilus, Ammumu, Jinx, Katarina, Seraphine. You can perfectly lose the game in a fight because your team mates int with 0 vision, give Katarina and Jinx free reset before even the fight start and all your team get cleaned in 2 seconds and you are legit 1vs5 againstva Jinx with lethal thempo and pasive full stacked a Nautilus with all cds, Ammumu with Q, Seraphine with ulti... To me, i get better results with hyperlate game champions like Kassadin, because you can still stomp early game with them because people dosn't know how to manage waves, trade, punish you, etc.
Also there are examples of people climbing with Kassadin to Master with almost 100% winrate.
I also don't agree that you have to "adapt" to play in low elo. Ofc there are low elo cheese strats to destroy the games that are more efficient to climb than a regular playstyle. But those strats stop working after a while. For example, you can play Morgana mid with barrier and rushing Stopwatch to get from iron4 to gold very fast losing trades and playing like shit on purpouse to fake you are bad and make enemies dive you and you use barrier Q under tower and you get a kill. And same in midgame when low elos are playing Aram and dive you with Stopwatch. But that works only because players in those elos don't track summoners, press tab to check for Stopwatch on Morgana, etc. Or Play Lee Top with Electrocute and get first blood 90% of games at level 1 with flash Q after a long trade. But doing those strats you don't learn the game, you just climb. And when you reach diamond+ you have no idea how to play the game.
I think is way better to learn the game properly, with the right build, learn the combos, learn spacing, learn cooldowns, learn matchups, learn how to flank, how to manage waves, how to possition properly, tracking skills in fights, learn to cross map and play ahead, learn tempo, play for vision, adapt builds, learn how to get carried, build spikes, lvl spikes, matchup spikes, indetify win conditions and adapt your playstyle to them, identify lose conditions, how to draft, good blind picks, counters, etc. There are hundreds of things that you don't learn as a low elo player adapting your gameplay to the elo you are at. That dosn't work in the long run unless you already know how to play properly, or you are an elo booster that you only care about getting accounts to master.
I guess I need to stop playing ziggs and bring out my talon/ekko again. It's so nice improving at this game and seeing my improvement bare fruit, but man... Emerald League is not League. I wanna climb to high diamond and see if I can perform there. Not in this random scramble where 1/10 games is a normal game that looks semi-correct
Fundamental jungling wins u games
thats bs. Just with good movement alone you will climb out of 'elo hell' even if it's 'just' 60% wr.
If that student went bronze to dia he simply improved, good for him.
60% wr isnt enough to fix hardstuck mmr i think
@@ultimate1450 It is, I promise you. At least, if you hold that win rate over 50+ games (probably less), you are guaranteed to climb.
if you are stuck in Iron Bronze Silver Gold and cant carry you deserve to be Stuck dont sugarcoat it
The video is interesting, but I disagree when you say that you don't play the same at your elo and when you play at low elo (ie smurf). Your fundamentals DO NOT CHANGE. Its only that you can punish more mistakes, and snowball earlier. So indeed you play the same ; only the context is different.
Also a player stuck in Iron / Bronze that climbs to Diamond IS NOT a diamond player stuck in Iron / Bronze. It's a Iron / Bronze player that had a declic and learned and hone his fundamentals, rank after rank, that finally achieve Diamond.
(Small rant 0:11:
The iron player that created a new account and started in gold ; its actually difficult to derank to Iron, so its not suprising he starts above. Moreover, if you coached him, (ie he/she progresses, hones his fundamentals, etc, its only natural that the student climbs. Moreover, on the graph at 0:14, we can clearly see that the student was barely playing before June 2023. Once the student started really playing regularly, he / she started climbing. While he / she might have been under coaching, you people need to remember that with a 51%, you'll climb out of every elo, eventually.
So play better and play more. Stop looking for external excuses and poor everything towards improving yourself. The best way to climb is to improve. Or buy a challenger account kappa)
Remember players you DON'T NEED coaching to improve. There's everything on the internet. What coaching offers is faster results, the feeling of being monitored and carefully advised.
TLDR : elo hell doesn't exist. Players are just bad and don't play enough to climb
Yeah this is true for me, for 3 seasons, I was stuck in Bronze for Valorant, Iron-Brone 3 on League, after enough is enough, I bought 3 accounts for both Val and League fresh on the internet and oh my god, I hit Immo on Valorant after 2 weeks of buying those 2 account and I’m Gold 4 on leavue with 57% WR ona fresh account. Now 1 year laters, I have consistently hit Immo+ on all my bought account for Valorant, 1 diamond and all gold account on League (i don’t play league much) but both my main (with skins and all on both games) highest I hit is Gold 4 on Val and just got to Silver 4 on my main…I’m genuinely believe Riot hate it when you spend money on them 🤣🤣
I disliked just so I could like this video again
The opening of this video is pretty bizarre and disingenuous... It's implying that the iron student was actually playing at a diamond level the entire time, but was trapped by teammates in the lowest elo bracket that exists, and yet somehow evaded this completely on a fresh account and soared to borderline high-elo by applying a couple tricks to exploit low elo habits? I'm sorry but that's just complete bogus, and it's destructive to the community to feed into their delusions that their team is holding them hostage. Shame on you Rogue. You make great content usually, but this is just irresponsible.
While that player who made an insane climb to Diamond from Iron is no-doubt an amazing case study I would love to see an analysis of, and a testament to the benefits of your coaching, let's be real. That is a pretty damn rare case, and the takeaway from it should never be that "elo hell is real, and you're actually way better than your visible rank"
- Identifying things you can do to exploit low-elo habits: GREAT! No issue with that.
- Condoning the toxic tendency players to deflect their own gameplay issues, reinforcing the disgusting ff@15 culture that's already rampant in the game: fucking terrible and you should probably think a little harder about the impact of such a message on impressionable players.
Try it yourself. It’s real.
Fresh accounts place you into plat usually.
Elo hell is real.
@@kennethjames6114how could elo boosting exist if elo hell exists?
elo boosters know how to abuse low elo mistakes
Im sorry to tell you mr challenger coach but no Diamond player would ever be stuck in current platinum, let alone IRON.
Stop feeding your viewers COPIUM just to look and and grab a few subs here and there.
Yup, literally just stopped the video there
Elo hell is pure fiction. If you're stuck, it's a skill issue. Play better and you get out.
Heard the first 30 sec and stopped the video immediately. There is no way someone is stack in iron and then starts a new account and goes to diamond. I am a low master player and i guarantee you even the worst d4 player goes 20-0 in almost every iron game and wins. This content is garbage. Take some responsibility folks
Sorry coach Rogue, but already in the first minute i realized you made this video to please low elo players and make them feel good about themselves. Remember the bronze player that bought a challenger account to just be back in bronze within 50 games? How about we just focus on improving fundamentals and understanding of the game instead of this humbug.
emerald is low elo, iron silver are divisons for people with down sydrom and stuff like thaat