Why Michael Jackson's Audition For 'Edward Scissorhands' Failed to Impress?! | the detail.
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- By the end of the 1980s, a decade he truly dominated in the realm of music, Michael Jackson was looking for new challenges and set his sights on a big time movie career. Although he wasn't your typical leading man he had the perfect role just in mind, 'Edward Scissorhands'.
Director Tim Burton wouldn't entertain the idea for a minute and went on cast Johnny Depp in the titular role. However, the film that Burton went on to create contained many themes reminiscent of Michael Jackson and his life.
The Gloved one loved its final outcome and could relate to the overall message. Possibly the most obvious opportunity missed for the artist to tell his story in some way and to launch a film career that never was.
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Thanks for watching! What other film roles do you think Michael Jackson would have been a good fit for? I think he would have been amazing in Labyrinth and as Willy Wonka!
Will wonka would’ve been insane! Don’t know how it didn’t come about
He could’ve done literally any movie from Johnny Depo
Peter Pan of course!
Given Michael's supernatural movements and mesmorizing mystique I think he would've absolutely nailed this role.
Awesome to see you here! Taking a break from making Spider-Man content? :)
I seen you on trapsons page and double toasted a lot
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@@wesleyvanos nobody really watches my Spider-Man videos anymore.
Verses Johnny Depp ? Tim was not about to fudge his precious movie. Michael's life was similar and I see the dichotomy.
I think Edward Scissorhands was a film made for MJ. A person who's misunderstood by the world who wants nothing more than to fit in but ultimately realizes the world will never accept him as normal. It's a film that describes MJ perfectly. Great video from the detail. Long live the king of pop. 🎉
Thank you!
Another role played by Johnny Depp that has some similarities to MJ
I should've realized that a long time ago when i first watched this movie.
I agree
I'm a huge MJ fan, but I think the role of Edward Scissorhands was best suited to Johhny Deppp. But I completely understand what you mean
MJ would’ve absolutely slayed this role.
He was too busy putting heaps of effort into his music videos/short films 🙌🏽✨️💞🎬👑
Out of all those considered for the role, to me Tom Cruise would not have been a good fit especially considering how he wanted the ending to be rewritten
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Edward's outfit is very similar to Michael's bad outfit.
I mean, it probably wasn't personal. Michael Jackson was huge and having him play a main role would most likely distract from the plot of any movie. I think at some point (post-Thriller) his desire to become an actor was shot after he became so huge. He could no longer disappear into a role, no matter how much makeup was required. He would always be Michael Jackson the superstar, and that comes with too much baggage.
Also, he was a raging pedophile.
I hear he wanted to play Spider-Man. I can't imagine Michael Jackson playing an average nerd from Queens.
@@haniflawson9225 definitely not! Also, isn't Spider-Man a teenager?
@@abbeycodi3875yea but they always casted older actors for the role until Tom Holland
@@rasslinreads5666 idk late 30s/early 40s is pushing it to me
Out of all the celebrities in the world; Michael Jackson happens to be the only one I tend to relate to.
I’m autistic, I have a hard time communicating among others, and there’s always a few that I tend to have that communicating chemistry with, but the majority I can hardly ever carry a conversation with.
Not to mention, I’m quiet and a kid a heart just like MJ, I tend to be misunderstood by others when I try my hardest to fit in and have a hard time accepting myself.
However, when I draw, sing, rap, dance, I’m a whole different person.
So when I look at Michael Jackson, I see myself in him.
As far as michael jackson getting into acting, on one hand he could’ve made it work because looking at his music videos, he has potential and range. But on the other hand, his own star power would’ve overshadowed the movie. I personally would’ve loved to see him star in a cinematic movie. Edward Scissorhands is pretty much Michael Jackson through & through, so Johnny depp did an amazing job.
Wow, thank you for this beautiful comment. I was going to say anything but you motivated me to express my thoughts and a comment. I’m autistic too well on high functioning level but I love music more than anything. I can’t do art or paint well I’m terrible at drawing . I’m not really so good at math not even algebra I had to take in high school or science. It seems I’m better in the arts but I’m more of a music person and I am a Greek writer a white short poems. I plan on becoming a writer but I just need to take the time to practice. Lol but other than that I have a gift for writing and music like I said, I sometimes I show poems, so I’m still figure out what I wanna do after I’m 22 years old and I’m black 😊🙃
@@andreyoungauthor1181 you’re very much welcome my brotha, I’m black and 22 myself and I have a passion for writing music and performing arts, basically entertainment period, because it’s the only way I can express myself. You have alot of power to do what you want, alot of power than you think. You can go all the way. Remember never give up, Strive for greatness, do what you gotta do, and keep your head up, you got this.👍🏾
@@andreyoungauthor1181 You basically described me with this comment, i'm not autistic but i have my struggles. I like yourself use music and writing as a form of expression, I feel it's the only way for me to feel comfortable revealing what i feel emotionally and mentally. I'm 19 still on my path for searching/healing, i wish nothing but success for you guys.
MJ was not autistic
@@DuhhTeetechnically he was…he was just high functioning
If Michael Jackson would have played this part this movie would had made over 200 million in the box office. Michael would have done so well with this role.
Maybe. I guess we will never know 🤷🏽
Depp was perfect.
All producers were afraid Michael would be bigger than the movie, like he is larger than life! There.
Michael was such a good actor, Im amazed by his acting in the Ghosts short film, his eyes were so expressive
And Tim was looking for expressive eyes! This is so frustrating! MJ would've been perfect!
Wooooow I've always said this about Micheal. Even though Johhny Depp played Edward so well....Mj literally was like A real life Edward sissorhands. kind soul and ostrasized for being Misunderstood and out of this world talented 🕊🥀🥀
But I think if Mj had played ES it would have become a MJ film and not a Tim Burton Film.
I love Michael Jackson so much !!! He was such a rare, precious, gentle , sensitive, sweet & insanely talented soul. I never understood all the hate, ridicule & abuse is sweet innocent man was subjected to in his life time. RIP no one can hurt you now. RIP
Edward Scissorhands is literally my favourite movie ever! I'm sure Michael would have been excellent if he had been cast, but let's not take away from Johnny Depp's excellent performance as Edward.
Michael’s background playing the Scarecrow in The Wiz, as Captain EO, and creating his own short films-as-music videos set him up well to be in a Tim Burton movie. Shame Tim didn’t consider him, even for a different movie!
Because Michael was always interested in the topic of cinema.🎞️📽️
If Edward Scissorhands ended up a musical as planned, I bet Michael would have loved to collaborate with Tim Burton on composing music for the film!
Like Prince did for Batman
I bet he'd have wanted to star in it. That would've been perfect.
he was much more than musician he would have been the top most hero in the movies too
I always thought Edward Scissorhands' look was inspired by MJ's BAD look.
Exactly!
He also wanted to play Peter Pan back in early 90s "Hook" by Spielberg but also got rejected. Spielberg worried it would turn the movie into a "MJ" movie. And he wanted to purchase Marvel and play Spiderman back in late 90s. The hype about Marvel movies we've been seeing for a decade now is because of MJ's idea to make Marvel movies. They just don't allow and want black men to be more powerful than they already are. Cant help but think about Bill Cosby and him wanting to buy NBC. We all know what happened .. (son got killed etc)
Yeah, you're right.
Aaliyah, Bruce Lee, Brandon Lee
Are some others who were unalived
I thought the same thing. All the actors that the narrator claimed Tim Burton pursued are white.
@@lizabetx483ding ding ding. He said he could relate to the white trash kid and that MJ was not
MJ in a way won. Everyone is still doing his choreography til his day.
@@darkvalue505facts. ❤️🔥💯♾️
I honestly think Michael Jackson is the only celebrity I can relate to.
I’m autistic (the non physically visible version of autism, it’s more that I have trouble communicating and connecting with people.)
Because I’m autistic I seem to have more artistic and creative abilities (like most people with autism)
Though because of my disability of communicating and connecting to people I’m getting mostly ignored and doomed to be the outcast everywhere I go no matter with who I’m with.
My mom who also likes Michael and who knows his mannerisms always says to mee that I’m similar to him and that I always want the best for others…
Wow I’ve always believed Michael may have been on the spectrum. Edward Scissorhands as a character is quite relatable then as well.
@@thedetail. I honestly never saw the movie nor knew what it was about but thanks to your video I really want to watch the movie! And from how you’ve described the characters I think I definitely can relate to the character.
As for Michael, I know for sure if he were alive today and went to a psychiatrist he’d get diagnosed with something similar or exactly the same as what I have…
When I watch some of Michael’s home videos I really see myself as a version of him due to his way of thinking or his mannerisms in general.
I can relate to him because of how similar our way of thinking is and the way we react to certain specific situations someone else most likely deals with differently.
I'm autistic, chronically ill and I see loads of similarities between me and MJ.
I also think he would have been perfect as scissorhands
@@nussknacker9827 Yeah! Definitely would be perfect for the role! And being autistic kinda does have its perks as Michael most likely has to’ve been autistic too in some shape or form.
@@thedetail.MJ was never on the spectrum or autistic please stop with these vast assumptions!
I believe Michael would have been an IDEAL fit for this role! At least they gave it to Johnny who absolutely nailed it, but Michael would have done it even better 😅😢
The thumbnail of the video was amazing! Very realistic, making us imagine what the King of Pop would be like in the role of Edwards Scissorhands. Michael Jackson wanted to conquer one of the seventh arts, cinema. But reconciling being a star in the music world with working as an actor would be difficult for him.
Tim burton loves weird ppl but not the poc ones
EXACTLY!
i dont think i've ever seen poc in a tim burton film
Ridiculousness
True.
And the movie would've done better at the box office if MJ was Edward Scissorhands.
I definitely would’ve loved to see MJ play In Edward Scissors Hands and Willy Wonka, i strongly believe he would have crushed both roles with ease.
It’s like Tim Burton made the movie just to gas light Michael Jackson 😂
Maaaaaaaan. Would have been a great movie. Can't wait till someone makes a parallel universe machine so I can go watch it.
Well jaffaar Jackson Michael's nephew is playing him in a biopic. If they made a remake jaffaar could take on the role seeing how much he'd possibly know how much the role meant to his uncle.
It's always a possibility
Well someone could make a deepfake.
I love JD, but I think MJ would have been great if only given a chance.
Racism is why he didn’t get it
@@SonGoku100YearsLaterand ego
You wrong for this thumbnail, Detail 😂😂😂 I wasn't expecting it and nearly choked on my tea 😂
🤣 I was like 😮😯😏It looks kinda good 😁
Very recently Johnny Depp mentioned in an interview that studios pursued Tom Cruise mostly for this role. Michael bought the scissors eventually from the movie and were displayed at Neverland.
He would have been an excellent willy wonka.
MJ would've been purrrfect to play Wonka! ♥ ❤
TLDR; Burton wanted an all American White lead…
Yup. Perfect lily-white suburbia. I love Johnny Depp but this is just the truth.
It's not a surprise. Tim Burton is a bit prejudiced. He hated the idea of the studio wanting an African Descent robin in his batman franchise. Characters are just fictional and their representation can change. Perhaps one would argue that Tim just wanted to stick to the core grail of the characters but I believe how he treated Jackson showed just who he was. Stating that he wanted to cast some one relateble, some one who came from the same "white trash" background.
Michael didnt grow up particularly rich either. Infact Micheal Jackson came up really poor yet Tim made jackson indifferent by his statement.
This Edward scissorhands movie though had too many parallels to Jackson's life for those indifferent statements of the "white trash" background to be legitimate or valid because if all of them shared the same experience then it didn't matter what race they were. It only did to Tim. I am the most logical person to my core and I believe through thorough thought that not considering mike at all not even enough to give him an audition was just crazy. There has got to be motives behind that.
lol you are a clown
Honestly I think it’s just that he’s too famous, even if we say Burton didn’t want thin because he was black why didn’t anyone else ever want him in there movies? Nobody wanted him in their movies because they knew that as soon as he came on screen people weren’t seeing the character or the plot, they were seeing famous superstar Micheal Jackson. Nobody really wants that.
I agree 100 percent. I noticed a hint of bigotry in Tim’s motives. Not giving even a meeting with Michael who is showing such interest is almost disrespectful. He knew he didn’t want a black man or anyone other than white to play that role. It may be more because it was a personal story and Tim saw himself as Edward.
However, as far as art, business and music, there was no other choice better than Michael.
Muh Racisms!!!
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Not necessarily. People had perceptions of Micheal that were negative. Many misunderstood Mike however Edward scissorhands was the opportunity for people to see things from the other perspective and truly understand him.
To not just see Micheal Jackson but the person he was because the movie was designed and written that way. There would have been no inability to see the humanity of michael with a script as such.
That is why Edward scissorhands was the perfect opportunity to jump start mikes film career. Edward changed the perception for Johnny even.
Before that he was well known and played in a popular series named 21 jump street. He had a glamour pretty boy persona. His first movie was nightmare on elm Street, private resort platoon, slow burn and,
cry baby, so he had gained Hollywood success already on screen. More so than Jackson had but scissorhands added depth to deps apeal and carved out a more sophisticated yet zaney career path that was successful.. it could have done the same for michael. Even more so because Edwards story was Michael's story. The one not many knew yet. It would have helped the world understand Micheal.
Perhaphs he wouldn't have gone through the torment he did in the 90s if he had that opportunity to share that.
Tim Burton didn't want Micheal
To have that solace. He didn't want to understand an African American child who grew up pore. He wanted a man with a "white trash" background like him because he couldn't relate to some one who wasn't white who had a pore background even though Tim is Jewish. I tellya if that's not prejudice I don't know what is.
Although I will always see JD as Edward and he himself is very much loved and iconic himself......I could honestly see MJ in this film, the role would have fit him perfectly❤
Thank you for this channel!
Our pleasure!
he wanted to do willy wonka as well in 2005
We were robbed and I'm pissed about it.
Tim Burton has been called out for not having enough diversity in his films, so it's no surprise that he wouldn't want to feature MJ in a lead role.
This is what I was thinking. It’s so obvious.
They’ll let white and Hispanic actors in his movies. But to this day very little black and asian actors
+DangerousLee HEY! It's the woman from Ghetto Jackson Fans! I remember you. Do you remember me?
You're not wrong in your assessment of Tim Burton.
Michael was not "suburban white trash" as Tim Burton put it so he wasn't even considered.
@@johnlucas1543 Hey! Yea, it's me. Refresh my memory. I'm getting old🙃
@@DangerousLee I'm John Lucas. You probably won't remember me too well. But I was online defending Michael during the Sony fight as well as that Witchhunt from 2003 to 2005 that led to the doves being flown in innocence.
I saw your name & said THAT'S HER!
I think I'm still subscribed to your channel on CZcams as a matter of fact.
Wow, of course! Michael's own life story is basically and symbolically the same as Edward Scissorhand's!
The role would have suited Michael perfectly. But Johnny is the only actor who deserves this role and, above all, was able to fill it visually. I understand well that Michael identified with Edward. Anyone who has a good heart, is not understood and tends to be an introvert can empathize with the creature with Scissorhands.
This role would be perfect for Michael ❤❤❤❤❤
I feel like this movie inspired mjs ghost
I figured Ghosts seemed like his response tothis
Yes and I'm glad Stephen King worked with MJ for Ghosts!
I'm sure Michael Jackson would have played an interesting Edward, Johnny Depp nailed the role and was clearly the right choice.
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What sucks is that I can kind of understand the perspective of Tim Burton, as starring Michael Jackson would’ve likely overshadowed the film itself.
I liked Johnny Depp in the role but Michael Jackson would Have made it legendary... Tim Burton dropped the ball on that one... Michael would have been perfect in my opinion lol his look and mannerism even with him not acting he's pretty much like Edward Scissorhands 😆
I mean I think Michael is a better fit when you put it in my mind Depp was Great in the movie.
Michael is a quiet guy off camera/stage And Edward is a shy quiet guy
Michael dressed in black leather with chains and silver
Edward has black with silver blades and silver chains
Everyone loves Michael Until a misunderstanding
Everyone loved Edward until a Misunderstanding
They Both had the same situation the same problem in life (Minus the scissor hands)
In all ways (Besides the hands) Their the same character. Considering Michael Jackson actually went through that in real life and not just a movie character. HE WOULD HAVE BEEN A BETTER PICK ALL TOGETHER
Pretty sure we all know why Tim didnt cast Michael
johnny depp wasn't "relative unknown" lmao he had several movies duringthe 80s and 90s before edward scissorhands. he was in nightmare on elm street and he was in crybaby, and 21 jump street
I mention all these roles in the video, he wasn’t Tom hanks or Tom Cruise level at all though
@@thedetail. he's far from relative unknown. he was B list back then.
Relative to Tom Cruise, Tom Hanks and Michael Jackson, Depp was not yet a movie-star or a leading man. He was famous to a certain demographic, but no way on their level.
He would actually would have been good in it with his man-child persona.
Nah this would’ve perfect for mj
Thanks for the good work you do and greetings from Dominican Republic.
I think he would have been good as this character
I love the movie but it’s obvious if Michael was in it, we would have had a very special artistic achievement. Tim just wanted a lead actor who looked like and was similar to him. It was his autobiographical story and he didn’t want to give that to Michael. It’s unfortunate but understandable
He would’ve been absolutely perfect in a Tim Burton perfect.
Love Michael Jackson very much 🎶💖🎶💖🎶💖🎶💖🎶🎶🦋🎶🦋🎶🦋🎶🦋🎶
MJ was also supposed to play Jarreth in Labyrinth but Bowie was preferred, in fact more suitable for the role. He was also rejected by Spielberg for the role of Peter Pan, which soured relations between the two.
I wanna do a video on this also
@@thedetail.please do!
Because Michael was black, they didn't go with him. Let's be real.
YUP!
how so?
@@starpixelproduction7571Tim Burton’s been called out for lack of diversity in his films (if you go through them all you’ll definitely see a pattern pertaining to casts and leads) & if I’m not mistaken, Burton himself got into trouble a few recent years ago for saying he couldn’t see poc being in his stories or something like that; I’m paraphrasing there.
Agree
Although Mike didn't exactly look black at the time. Yes, we all know he was but he didn't exactly look it, it was more... ambiguous looking, and considering Burton's style is pale skinned, morbid looking characters, I think early 90's Michael would have a great fit, at least regarding looks and mannerisms. At the same time, I can believe the excuse of Michael being too much of a huge super star as a valid reason to discard him for the role. His big stardom was no joke, and people might not have cared about the movie, only that Michael was in it.
I wish he would've had at least a song in the soundtrack though, considering how many similarities Mike had with the main character.
Love Johnny but this would’ve been perfect for Mj when somebody gets bored enough to make an ai version tag me haha
Michael Jackson loved Tim Burton i'm too He makes magical Films❤❤❤🎉🎉🎉 damn Michael 😢😢
This Edward and Wonka would've been PERFECT!!❤
I watched that film long ago and fell in love with Edward and always thought about Michael watching this. Edward reminded me of Michael. Moreover, I read a long article how Johnny Depp netted his career playing characters that were in a way similar to Michael, including Wonka. Depp admitted that Michael was an inspiration for Wonka, but not only, I guess.
But don't get me wrong I appreciate Johnny Depp's performance. I never imagined anyone else playing Edward Scissor Hands. I loved that movie growing up and I still watch it whenever it's on.
great video!!
Thank you!!
I appreciate the time and effort you put into this video. As much as MJ would’ve been interesting to see in this role, no one would’ve nailed it like JD did.
Yeah I don't think I'm ever watching another Tim Burton film ever again
Why do I see mj as Edward now? Like everything about the character is mj.
El papel más importante.
Fue su vida, con el protagonista más guapo.
Mi AMOR MICHAEL JACKSON SIEMPRE.
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Fun fact is that unlike other artists michaels songs are more like movie based and i would call more fit to hhs genre as Cinematic. Because Pop has no identity of a genre but popularity
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Missed opportunity, I would say his short film ‘Ghost’ is similar to Edward Scissorhands
Your videos are always so well narrated/documented!! 👌... each of them feels like a blessing to us! 💙
Wow, thank you!
It was met for Johnny ❤ I love MJ❤.
A perfect world for him to plan especially during that time
I think Michael Jackson would have been perfect for this project, but I also liked Depp's performance.
I always thought MJ was a great and convincing actor especially when you see him in his music videos. His acting ability was amazing, you could tell he respected the craft. Shame he never got to pursue this the way he wanted. Having said that, we are blessed to have his music inspiring millions around the globe instead🙏🏿
If I read about Michael Jackson pursuing the role of Edward Scissorhands in the Trivia section of IMDb, I would think someone just made it up. This video seems like verifiable evidence that it's true.
He's auditioned a lot of times for different roles but they say no whyyyy
Interesting because there was a kid who did Michael Jackson Edward Scissors ✂️ hands on Americas home video. And he even won for best funniest video that episode.
Michael is better than johnny depp.
Not at acting he wasn't
@@Luispbringstheheat I think he did well on those short films from his music videos.
Johnny depp WAS NOT a relative unknown. He was a tv star on a hit tv show....
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I always thought that Johnny Depp gave me MJ vibes in some of the scenes in Edward scissor hands. MJ would have nailed that role easily, especially in the theft scene
If someone patient enough can guide A.I. to replace johnny with michael in edward Scissorhands, they would probably be pretty famous. I hope someone does.
Relatively unknown Johnny Depp? depp was well known at that time.
The right person was cast. Michael Jackson was too famous to play such a nuanced character.
Pretty cool video
Thanks
Edward's outfit looks similar to MJ's "Bad" outfit. It never happend bc ,Burton doesn't like blks in his movies.
He also wanted to play spiderman and willy wonka
Michael at the time was bigger than Jesus (akin to the John Lennon quote about The Beatles). If you ask Jesus to play a role in a movie as someone other than himself, people will have a hard time believing that this character is anyone other than Jesus himself no matter how good or bad of an actor he might be. Michael is still an unusual case because no one in the modern age has yet to reach his level of fame and notoriety.
Johnny depp did great but I couldn’t imagine someone more fitting than Michael Jackson
Are you going to consider making any videos on Jaafar Jackson?!
This is one of my favorite movies, most of the time, my peculiar likes in 90's movies purely relies in sir tim burton's works. It's weird every movie that mj wants doesn't considered him to be casted, in labyrith i heard they also considered them to play as the goblin king, but turned down the idea bcoz they found bowie as more fit for the role, in willy wonka also, i do believe he's one of the candidates for the role, if that happened i guess the essence of the movie will be phenomenal since he's really famous and his style is suitable to the genre of the film
MAndella Effect I have always been a BIG Michael Jackson fan and often see videos like this that talk about him and I heard about the Ghost Video production of his for the FIRST time about six months ago. How can a BIG FAN have never heard of or seen his Ghost video production with the songs if not for a mandella effect? The first time I saw the Ghost video I freaked out big time. Anyone else hearing about MJs Ghost video and music for the first time this year?
He was already that character! Then again, Johnny did a great job.
Disclaimer: I really love and admire them both very much!
At first I thought it was a perfect role for Michael I didn't made the connection of Michael's costume in Bad era, thank you for that detail it was mindblowing!
Also I didn't know that Michael bought the scissorhands gloves! You did a great research! 👏👏👏
But after all these years of also being a huge fan of Johnny Depp, I've watched so many interviews of him describing himself to Edward that it made me believe that the role of Edward Scissorhands suits Johnny better than Michael.
I would love to watch more videos of Johnny Depp's and Michael Jackson's connections in the future!
I was going to say Michael made his own Edward Scissorhands movie with Ghosts, lol! ❤
When i saw the movie the first thought that came to my mind was that he looked a lot like MJ!
I didn’t know he wants to play the role for the movie 🎥 and I guess it never happened and Johnny Depp took the roll did a good job
I read somewhere he wanted the Willy Wonka role too.