Jake Lah is the founder of DAC and probably the single most influential person in backpacking tent design in the last 30 years. His innovations include the now almost universal pole hub first used by MSR in the Hubba Hubba, non-slipping fly clips that enable the fly tension to contribute to structural strength, and improving on the Copper Spur for the first time in 5 years by reducing it to a single hub design. Not only does his company provide the poles for most backpacking tent brands, but somewhat unusually he actually actively designs the structure of tents for dozens of his customers. Being credited for his input - such as with the S2S tents and the latest Copper Spur tents - is a recent development, but many of the most iconic tent innovations actually belong to him, not the brand that released them. Ironically he doesn't like camping or sleeping on the ground.
Just came to the comments to say the same thing about Jake Lah. Glad I wasn't the only one. Dan can also thank Jake Lah every time he sits on his Helinox Chair Zero, which also uses DAC aluminum.
Bought the Alto TR2 last year and love it, but is has one quirk: If there is condensation on the inside of the fly (here in middle europe you can get some even with ventilation fully open, ventilation can only prevent it to a certain point no matter how good the tent ist) some walls going to touch the inner mesh no matter how tight or loose i setup the tent. The most problematic wall for this matter is the small one the feets are directing to. Since thats also the part of the tent which you setup a little bit lower if the ground is not perfectly flat you are likely to slide a little bit over night in this direction. That makes your foot end of the sleeping bag touch the inner mesh, which pushes it a little bit outside and touch the inner fly with condensation on it. So i sometimes get a few drops on my sleeping bag. My solution as bikepacker is to storage my small fork packs between the mesh and the fly, then the both never touch even when i push a little bit from the inside. With heavy rain in my case the fly also sometimes touches the mesh on the long diagonal between foot end and the outer end of the cross pole but it's mostly preventable by seting the tent up really tight (personally i don't like to put maximum tension on any tent, so thats maybe the reason i get this problem in the first hand). What i absolutelly love about this tent is the possibily to open your tent up by rolling up every single (!) part of the fly in a ton of possible ways. You can sleep only with the inner mesh to protect you from bugs and enjoy fresh air and the view but still roll down the fly within 1-2 minutes in case rain in coming. You can also open only one side in case you have other people on the other side and want some privacy while sleeping ...
Good point, Im from the PNW. Pretty similar conditions as most of europe. The air stays moist so condensation is almost always an issue in the morning specially.
I have the telos tr2 I love it can't say enough about the tent the build quality durability ventilation huge inside and I have a low setting chair I use in it on rainy days. I absolutely love this tent if your smart with pack and sleep system you can keep your base weight at 10 lbs.
Great review. Appreciate the details about compatibility with the tapered footprint requiring mummy style sleeping mats. Saved me from making a costly mistake!
Thanks for the review! I've been very happy with the Alto I purchased last Summer. I didn't realize the plastic insert for the light bar was supposed to be there though! I threw mine away thinking it was just part of the packaging ☹️
@@m1sterpunch yes there are! They're kinda like snap buttons that secure it. They could be better honestly, but it works and I believe they've improved the next Gen for a slightly better design
Nice review. I’ll be sticking with my free standing 3 lbs. SlingFin Portal at that price point. The portal has a top bar , 2 poles and nearly vertical walls and better storage options. Get 1 and review it.
Please review the decathlon forclaz ultralight tents, there light, cheap and good. You will be amazed and definitely the best choice for most people that cafe about there money.
This should be advertised as a 1.5p tent I wish more manufacturers would get onboard with the 1.5p idea. Some of us want it to be easier to find a 1 person tent with room inside to store gear while keeping some of the weight savings over going a full 2p tent.
Ozark Trail 1 person backpacking tent 3.2lbs with front vestibule and only cost $30. I've had it for 7 years. Beats any high end tent you feature on your channel. Lightweight, withstands 30mph winds and doesn't break the bank. Rather use that money on something better like boots or backpack. You don't need to break the bank to get the good stuff if you know where to look
Meh to each their own. Yea it's cheap and similar weight but it's not similar space. I'm 6'5" and 220lbs. I tried single person tents and it's just way too cramped for me to enjoy myself. I had a kelty single person that was sturdy and cheap. It was a great tent but I barely fit. So I got a Nemo hornet elite. Way lighter and way bigger, and way more expensive. Still didn't do it for me. Now I run a gossamer gear 'the two' trekking pole tent. Under 2 lbs and a freaking palace for one person. And at $375 it's way more than the Ozark but still way less than the tents in this video. Light reasonably priced and spacious... I'll take that all day over the single person coffin tent regardless of price.
Just ordered double rainbow double wall tarptent. But I saw a review on this sea to summit tent that said due to the top of the tent, water pools ontop as well as condensation and the tent gets wet inside. You should do a rain test and then get that double rainbow double wall tarptent for a review
Dan! New backpacker and love the channel. Already using your recommendations for cutting out unnecessary weight. Question on if you plan on reviewing the 3 person Nemo Dagger Osmo or MSR hubba hubba 3 person tent. My gf and I have a husky that we have sleep with us too. Both look amazing but not sure if it’s better than tents already available 🧐
The Hubba Hubba NX (2 person) is huge inside, so the 3 must be HUGE. It's a great tent, easy up and down, tough as hell, and the zippers work great, and little to no condensation, and I really like mine.
I wanna see if Dan can Bikepack, that would make for a good challenge. But great video, imma stick with my bigagnes backtail 2 though, it make be a little heavy and bulky, but it's a second home to me now 🤣.
The "architect's" name is most likely the person who designed the poles and how they fit the tent. That's the case with my ba tent which also has a random architect's name on it
I mentioned on Backpacking TV's review of these tents, that to me, I would prefer having the zipper of the vent hood on the inside, though design of the tent may not allow for this type functionality.
I love this video. Because this is a tent I can buy in the EU. I wish you would do more EU brands, because some of the gear you recommend I would have to pay to import it. They are not very nice about importing as the US is. Anything over 30 bucks, including the price of shipping, I have to pay 25% tax on plus a service fee of 20 dollars.
Personally since I don't care about going ultralight, I never actually follow person guidelines for tents. The minimum I'll put two people in is a 3 person, and only if it's a significant other. Otherwise I carry a 2 person for myself, and I'm sleeping alone.
If you put the mats with the head all the way to the end instead of the foot all the way to the end, I think you’ll have more space for two bags to fit.
Hi Dan, to you prefer this Sea to Summit Alto TR2 over Copper Spur HV UL2 and MSR Hubba Hubba tent. I will be using it in bit windy and snowy winter conditions
When it comes to your HOUSE basically what it is.... Treat it alittle better than your sleeping. Its literally your shelter. You can sleep outside on the ground with an appropriate shelter, sleeping comfortably outside on the ground, without a shelter in ANY conditions is stressful. Elements, Animals, Insects, People.... To be at 4lbs or less for any shelter is amazing. These ultralight guys need to man up haha.
Hi, Dan... Great review. One detail... The "brow pole" is unusual but not unique... The MSR Hubba Hubba uses the same idea. Also, it seems the Hubba Hubba is as much a competitor to the Alto as the Copper Spur, and would be useful to mention. Keep it up and look us up in the Sea To Sky in British Columbia!
The brow pole on this one is flipped upwards like a “V” unlike the hubba hubba which has a more standard slopping roof. This unique design affords more headroom and lateral space with straight sidewalls. Similar but not the same
Which tent would be good for 3 season or 4 season tent? How do you think this would stack up against the redesigned MSR Hubba Hubba. Its supposedly the same design but lighter materials including new tent poles.
Too bad the Nemo tensor doesn’t come in a 25” wide mummy style, it really restricts what 2p tents you can use. SMD lunar duo, LHG duo, xmid2, TT stratospire 2, TT double rainbow, Paria arches 2 and bryce 2. I might be missing some but a lot of great UL tents aren’t wide enough like big Agnes, gross man gear the two. Zpacks makes some tents wide enough but really expensive DCF.
having had several lightweight tents blow comically flat over the years, are there external guys for these tents, and how good is the alleged wind resistance.
Looking at this, there’s a big issue. I would really like to see those two mummy sleep pads in that tent. I saw your feet together and I don’t think there is room for even two mummy sleep pads down there. Me and the Mrs have the Thermarest Xtherm, she regular, me large. I really dig this tent but I really don’t think we can both fit in it. Am I wrong? Is this a tent for two small people who share a pad? Or is it really a one man tent?
Is there a wind-speed rating for this tent? Also, do any manufacturers specify which part should face the wind? There are several places in the US, below 4000', where 30kt + winds occur, and not having to worry about a lightweight tent coming apart in high winds seems a desirable thing.
Looks like a seriously small tent and kinda heavy, no? My BA Tigerwall 3 bikepacking trnt weighs less with twice the space. Why would anyone want essentially a solo tent like this for that weight?
Tent looks nice. I'm pretty happy with my copper spur hv ul 2. The floor on this is several inches shorter and that's just no bueno when you're 6'5" lol. However no one seems to have commented on the specs. You say it's sub 3lbs but the specs listed in the vid say 2lb 16oz... Isn't 16 oz a lb? So isn't that 3lbs? Lol not that it's a big deal but I'm just sayin lol.
Hey you might want to look at the new Big Agnes tent that’s coming out. It’s a long version of the copper spur! Might work better for you. And yup… Not sure why they messed up on those specs but that’s a screenshot direct from the website!
@@DanBecker I meant the sea to summit is several inches shorter than the copper spur and that's too short. My copper spur is actually a pretty good size. I love that tent. But if they are going to make a longer one that's even better, so I might check that out. I also have a 2019 GG the two. The new models are shorter by a few inches for some reason. But I love that tent as well. Might swap it for the new Zpacks DupleXL. Lighter and bigger. To have basically both of the same tents I already have and love but bigger would be amazing... 👌
Anyone have any recommendations for an actual 2p tent that can fit 2 wide pads? I sometimes go backpacking with my dad or brother and we are over 6' and need the wide pads but it's a tight fit.
Just go up to a 3 person sized tent and split the weight between two people. You can still easily get something much more room where each of you are carry around 2 pounds.
DAN! HELP! I'm losing my freaking mind. I've been debating between a Copper Spur, Dagger Osmos, and now I'm kinda considering spending more on this or the Telos.....aaaaand NOW, the freaking Durston X-Mid is a contender. My wife is probably going to brutally stab me if I don't make a decision and stop watching CZcams reviews, literally day and night. Friends hate the Dagger for the lack of fly coverage. I like the symetrical floor, for sleeping with the wife. Others say the Copper Spur is less durable material. I can score either one right now for about $375. The Durston looks super appealing.....only caveat being availability and awkward head space on certain sides. Then there's Sea to Summit. I'm told they're more durable than all the above....but holy cow expensive, and they're heavier. HELP!
It's nice kit, but I find that almost everything that Sea To Summit makes is extremely overpriced. Even factoring in the "You-Get-What-You-Pay-For" mentality, their prices are unnecessarily high for equipment that, in any given category, functions only incrementally better than Walmart.
This tent overall design and quirky features appear a loser. Poor characteristics (and likely reliability) when considering a tent for storm worthy conditions.
My man I love your videos but you gotta get yourself a proper tent , not another one of these little toys . Invest in a Hilleberg , and you won't have to change tents every two months
Jake Lah is the founder of DAC and probably the single most influential person in backpacking tent design in the last 30 years. His innovations include the now almost universal pole hub first used by MSR in the Hubba Hubba, non-slipping fly clips that enable the fly tension to contribute to structural strength, and improving on the Copper Spur for the first time in 5 years by reducing it to a single hub design. Not only does his company provide the poles for most backpacking tent brands, but somewhat unusually he actually actively designs the structure of tents for dozens of his customers. Being credited for his input - such as with the S2S tents and the latest Copper Spur tents - is a recent development, but many of the most iconic tent innovations actually belong to him, not the brand that released them. Ironically he doesn't like camping or sleeping on the ground.
Just came to the comments to say the same thing about Jake Lah. Glad I wasn't the only one. Dan can also thank Jake Lah every time he sits on his Helinox Chair Zero, which also uses DAC aluminum.
Bought the Alto TR2 last year and love it, but is has one quirk: If there is condensation on the inside of the fly (here in middle europe you can get some even with ventilation fully open, ventilation can only prevent it to a certain point no matter how good the tent ist) some walls going to touch the inner mesh no matter how tight or loose i setup the tent. The most problematic wall for this matter is the small one the feets are directing to. Since thats also the part of the tent which you setup a little bit lower if the ground is not perfectly flat you are likely to slide a little bit over night in this direction. That makes your foot end of the sleeping bag touch the inner mesh, which pushes it a little bit outside and touch the inner fly with condensation on it. So i sometimes get a few drops on my sleeping bag. My solution as bikepacker is to storage my small fork packs between the mesh and the fly, then the both never touch even when i push a little bit from the inside. With heavy rain in my case the fly also sometimes touches the mesh on the long diagonal between foot end and the outer end of the cross pole but it's mostly preventable by seting the tent up really tight (personally i don't like to put maximum tension on any tent, so thats maybe the reason i get this problem in the first hand).
What i absolutelly love about this tent is the possibily to open your tent up by rolling up every single (!) part of the fly in a ton of possible ways. You can sleep only with the inner mesh to protect you from bugs and enjoy fresh air and the view but still roll down the fly within 1-2 minutes in case rain in coming. You can also open only one side in case you have other people on the other side and want some privacy while sleeping ...
Good point, Im from the PNW. Pretty similar conditions as most of europe. The air stays moist so condensation is almost always an issue in the morning specially.
I’ve used colored sharpies to color code tent corners and poles in the past. Just a quick cheap tip if you have a tent that isn’t color coded
I have the telos tr2 I love it can't say enough about the tent the build quality durability ventilation huge inside and I have a low setting chair I use in it on rainy days. I absolutely love this tent if your smart with pack and sleep system you can keep your base weight at 10 lbs.
Hi, is the tent withstanding the rain ? Didn’t you have inflitration issues at the top of the Telos which is kind of flat ?
Thanks for you REX !
The more I watch these (new) 3.2lb tent videos, the more I appreciate my Nemo Hornet 2P…
Great review. Appreciate the details about compatibility with the tapered footprint requiring mummy style sleeping mats. Saved me from making a costly mistake!
Yay for Eric joining!! Love seeing my fave youtubers together!
Color coding helps a LOT when setting up a tent. Why the majority of tents don't have this feature is beyond me.
Perhaps patented and companies dont wanna pay royalties😅
@@Thompson-from-Finland I don't know if that's a patent thing or not, just makes sense to include it.
You guys are watched all the worldwide. Please show specs also in meters/cm and weight in kilograms/grams. Nice scenery btw
Or you could just click the link and see that on the webiste
@@radleyiswrong3536 the link doesn't work outside of the US
@@aleixcomas8543 not True.. i live in DK and it works fine.
@@CUPPYGAMINGthat's great but what about the rest of the world?
Exactly, why not add cm and kg at least on the screen
Thanks for the review! I've been very happy with the Alto I purchased last Summer. I didn't realize the plastic insert for the light bar was supposed to be there though! I threw mine away thinking it was just part of the packaging ☹️
It looks like there are hooks specifically on the roof to hang that light bar from too?: That sounds super useful honestly.
@@m1sterpunch yes there are! They're kinda like snap buttons that secure it. They could be better honestly, but it works and I believe they've improved the next Gen for a slightly better design
Nice review. I’ll be sticking with my free standing 3 lbs. SlingFin Portal at that price point. The portal has a top bar , 2 poles and nearly vertical walls and better storage options. Get 1 and review it.
I am so curious abt the Portal and wonder how it and the Copper Spur might go head-to-head.
Please review the decathlon forclaz ultralight tents, there light, cheap and good. You will be amazed and definitely the best choice for most people that cafe about there money.
Good video Dan! I was curious about these tents but for that price with it being so narrow for a 2 person, I'm gonna take a pass on it
Dan Durston X-Mid 2P or X-Mid Pro, trekking pole tents FTW!
This should be advertised as a 1.5p tent I wish more manufacturers would get onboard with the 1.5p idea.
Some of us want it to be easier to find a 1 person tent with room inside to store gear while keeping some of the weight savings over going a full 2p tent.
A 2 person tent should be a 1.5 BFA tent (Big Fat American). Thought 38" at the foot won't fit an adult and a child for that matter.
I think it’s 2p. An exped duo LW (long wide) mat will fit in.
Waiting on my Dan Durston Xmid 2 DCF 🥰
Dude I'm so glad you did this tent, I've been eyeing this one for a while
Ozark Trail 1 person backpacking tent 3.2lbs with front vestibule and only cost $30. I've had it for 7 years. Beats any high end tent you feature on your channel. Lightweight, withstands 30mph winds and doesn't break the bank. Rather use that money on something better like boots or backpack. You don't need to break the bank to get the good stuff if you know where to look
Meh to each their own. Yea it's cheap and similar weight but it's not similar space. I'm 6'5" and 220lbs. I tried single person tents and it's just way too cramped for me to enjoy myself. I had a kelty single person that was sturdy and cheap. It was a great tent but I barely fit. So I got a Nemo hornet elite. Way lighter and way bigger, and way more expensive. Still didn't do it for me. Now I run a gossamer gear 'the two' trekking pole tent. Under 2 lbs and a freaking palace for one person. And at $375 it's way more than the Ozark but still way less than the tents in this video. Light reasonably priced and spacious... I'll take that all day over the single person coffin tent regardless of price.
Great review and well demonstrated .
I would like to see you do some Hilleberg reviews like Evan and Rogen
Just ordered double rainbow double wall tarptent. But I saw a review on this sea to summit tent that said due to the top of the tent, water pools ontop as well as condensation and the tent gets wet inside. You should do a rain test and then get that double rainbow double wall tarptent for a review
Thank you.
You should look at Kuiu tents. I have the Kuiu Mountain Star, packed weight of 3.1lbs. Incredible tent.
Dan! New backpacker and love the channel. Already using your recommendations for cutting out unnecessary weight. Question on if you plan on reviewing the 3 person Nemo Dagger Osmo or MSR hubba hubba 3 person tent. My gf and I have a husky that we have sleep with us too. Both look amazing but not sure if it’s better than tents already available 🧐
The Hubba Hubba NX (2 person) is huge inside, so the 3 must be HUGE. It's a great tent, easy up and down, tough as hell, and the zippers work great, and little to no condensation, and I really like mine.
Jake Lah is the founder of DAC tent poles. I have that “ signature” on my copper spur as well.
I wanna see if Dan can Bikepack, that would make for a good challenge. But great video, imma stick with my bigagnes backtail 2 though, it make be a little heavy and bulky, but it's a second home to me now 🤣.
Yesss that would be so great to watch!!! New series @dan Becker "Do it with Dan" UL bikepacking-full comfort.
According to other videos. water leaks i during heavy rain, at the top.
Nice tent! Very similar to the one I purchased last spring.
Can you shut the top vents?
The "architect's" name is most likely the person who designed the poles and how they fit the tent. That's the case with my ba tent which also has a random architect's name on it
I want to see a video on the the Portal 2 and the 2lite by Slingfin
I mentioned on Backpacking TV's review of these tents, that to me, I would prefer having the zipper of the vent hood on the inside, though design of the tent may not allow for this type functionality.
Those dimensions make me say that is almost a 1.5 person if you use a wide sleeping pad. When they both came in, it looked “cozy”, aka tight.
Jake Lah is the founder of DAC tent poles and Helinox!
Tarptent Double Rainbow DW seems better for $130 less
Whoa its like deja vu! Haha
I love this video. Because this is a tent I can buy in the EU. I wish you would do more EU brands, because some of the gear you recommend I would have to pay to import it. They are not very nice about importing as the US is. Anything over 30 bucks, including the price of shipping, I have to pay 25% tax on plus a service fee of 20 dollars.
The Alto's Spec screen has its packed weight listed as "2 lbs 16 oz" lol
Needs to enable sleep for 2 persons *comfortably* and a 2 zipper, triangular entry door to quality as a deluxe tent in my book
Personally since I don't care about going ultralight, I never actually follow person guidelines for tents. The minimum I'll put two people in is a 3 person, and only if it's a significant other. Otherwise I carry a 2 person for myself, and I'm sleeping alone.
If you put the mats with the head all the way to the end instead of the foot all the way to the end, I think you’ll have more space for two bags to fit.
Hi Dan, to you prefer this Sea to Summit Alto TR2 over Copper Spur HV UL2 and MSR Hubba Hubba tent. I will be using it in bit windy and snowy winter conditions
The light bar seems like something that might be able to be used in an emergency for first aid.
Those vents are almost the same one the decathlon forclaz brand uses on their ultralight trekking tents
Great review Dan!
Interesting design.
Great video fellas!
Can we see a set up video from start to finish please and thank you!
Great review Dan.
Quick question. I have 2 tents and not sure which to take on my AT through hike. Gossamer Gear the two or BA TW 2 UL?
Great review!! It’s nice tent. Also look for MSR 2022 tent review. Seem big change
Are these two like what the Hubba Hubba and Freelite are of MSR? Kinda new here and I see so many of these type of build tents suddently.
Your guest made the same tent video , so both of you are in Sedona AZ for this video correct?
Hmmm? What are the stats in metric though? Love yer work.
When it comes to your HOUSE basically what it is.... Treat it alittle better than your sleeping. Its literally your shelter. You can sleep outside on the ground with an appropriate shelter, sleeping comfortably outside on the ground, without a shelter in ANY conditions is stressful. Elements, Animals, Insects, People.... To be at 4lbs or less for any shelter is amazing. These ultralight guys need to man up haha.
I have MSR freelite 3 that is larger and about the same weight.
Looks like a 1 person tent to me lol
Hi, Dan... Great review. One detail... The "brow pole" is unusual but not unique... The MSR Hubba Hubba uses the same idea. Also, it seems the Hubba Hubba is as much a competitor to the Alto as the Copper Spur, and would be useful to mention.
Keep it up and look us up in the Sea To Sky in British Columbia!
The brow pole on this one is flipped upwards like a “V” unlike the hubba hubba which has a more standard slopping roof. This unique design affords more headroom and lateral space with straight sidewalls. Similar but not the same
I was just looking at one of these....That would make a real nice solo tent.
I like how on their web site it says, packed weight, 2 lbs 16oz hahahahahah so....3 lbs lol
seriously cool tent though
There is a single person version. It is called tr1.
@@gabrielgherasim7902 Indeed! But the weight and space ratio of this one is very appealing.
Curious what Eric’s sleep set up was. Bag, pad, did I see a sheet? Any details would be appreciated
Which tent would be good for 3 season or 4 season tent? How do you think this would stack up against the redesigned MSR Hubba Hubba. Its supposedly the same design but lighter materials including new tent poles.
Too bad the Nemo tensor doesn’t come in a 25” wide mummy style, it really restricts what 2p tents you can use. SMD lunar duo, LHG duo, xmid2, TT stratospire 2, TT double rainbow, Paria arches 2 and bryce 2. I might be missing some but a lot of great UL tents aren’t wide enough like big Agnes, gross man gear the two. Zpacks makes some tents wide enough but really expensive DCF.
I just don't understand why they have to cost $500.
Materials, quality control, and R&D.
having had several lightweight tents blow comically flat over the years, are there external guys for these tents, and how good is the alleged wind resistance.
Can you pitch this tent in the rain without the in getting wet
Good review
How is the big one fully free standing?? the vestebules are staked down!?
Nope it doesn't.... Can't get outer and inner up at the same time...?
A budget 1 person tent, 3 seasons?
Looking at this, there’s a big issue. I would really like to see those two mummy sleep pads in that tent.
I saw your feet together and I don’t think there is room for even two mummy sleep pads down there. Me and the Mrs have the Thermarest Xtherm, she regular, me large.
I really dig this tent but I really don’t think we can both fit in it. Am I wrong?
Is this a tent for two small people who share a pad? Or is it really a one man tent?
About time!!
always cool af!
Does anyone has pictures of the "light bar" in use? It could make for some really awesome night photography I guess.
Does it fit people that are 6'4"+ tall? If not, it's missing a box.
This looks a lot like one of the NatureHike tents I own.
I wonder if Sea To Summit either used that same design or the same MFG across the pond.
Just for giggles, how much?
Why do they always make the bags for tents and sleeping bags so small? I spend 20 minutes trying to get the damn thing back in.
The Landscape Looks like Breaking Bad .. i call u Dan White
Duraton Xmid 2p
This tent is impossible to find in Australia for over a year
50" is min for a 2...I think this is a large solo tent.
Can you do an update on this tent after awhile when you have tested it in the rain? (Maybe compare to one of your big agnes? Like the copper spur?)
Is there a wind-speed rating for this tent? Also, do any manufacturers specify which part should face the wind? There are several places in the US, below 4000', where 30kt + winds occur, and not having to worry about a lightweight tent coming apart in high winds seems a desirable thing.
Looks like a seriously small tent and kinda heavy, no? My BA Tigerwall 3 bikepacking trnt weighs less with twice the space. Why would anyone want essentially a solo tent like this for that weight?
Tent looks nice. I'm pretty happy with my copper spur hv ul 2. The floor on this is several inches shorter and that's just no bueno when you're 6'5" lol. However no one seems to have commented on the specs. You say it's sub 3lbs but the specs listed in the vid say 2lb 16oz... Isn't 16 oz a lb? So isn't that 3lbs? Lol not that it's a big deal but I'm just sayin lol.
Hey you might want to look at the new Big Agnes tent that’s coming out. It’s a long version of the copper spur! Might work better for you. And yup… Not sure why they messed up on those specs but that’s a screenshot direct from the website!
@@DanBecker I meant the sea to summit is several inches shorter than the copper spur and that's too short. My copper spur is actually a pretty good size. I love that tent. But if they are going to make a longer one that's even better, so I might check that out. I also have a 2019 GG the two. The new models are shorter by a few inches for some reason. But I love that tent as well. Might swap it for the new Zpacks DupleXL. Lighter and bigger. To have basically both of the same tents I already have and love but bigger would be amazing... 👌
@@DanBecker oh and that's hilarious about the specs. No one's perfect but it's still funny. Lol
Both of those tents blow away anything BA puts out. It’s everything you wish the Hornet, Copper Spur and Tiger Wall had.
Anyone have any recommendations for an actual 2p tent that can fit 2 wide pads? I sometimes go backpacking with my dad or brother and we are over 6' and need the wide pads but it's a tight fit.
Just go up to a 3 person sized tent and split the weight between two people. You can still easily get something much more room where each of you are carry around 2 pounds.
Dan Durston X-Mid 2P can fit two wide pads. Finding it in stock is the hard part.
DAN! HELP! I'm losing my freaking mind. I've been debating between a Copper Spur, Dagger Osmos, and now I'm kinda considering spending more on this or the Telos.....aaaaand NOW, the freaking Durston X-Mid is a contender. My wife is probably going to brutally stab me if I don't make a decision and stop watching CZcams reviews, literally day and night. Friends hate the Dagger for the lack of fly coverage. I like the symetrical floor, for sleeping with the wife. Others say the Copper Spur is less durable material. I can score either one right now for about $375. The Durston looks super appealing.....only caveat being availability and awkward head space on certain sides. Then there's Sea to Summit. I'm told they're more durable than all the above....but holy cow expensive, and they're heavier. HELP!
It's nice kit, but I find that almost everything that Sea To Summit makes is extremely overpriced. Even factoring in the "You-Get-What-You-Pay-For" mentality, their prices are unnecessarily high for equipment that, in any given category, functions only incrementally better than Walmart.
2 lbs 16 oz... so... 3lbs?
Packed weight 2lbs, 16oz. Hey it's technically honest :)
OMG awesome looked it up $500... I'm out.
just a dab of candle wax on those zippers will make life easier!
Under 3 pounds... packed weight is 2 pounds 16 ounces LOL
I reckon it doesn't check the affordability box.
I am with Dixie, 2 persons means 1 person with gear. So if I want to take my husband out, I will opt for a 3 persons.
This tent overall design and quirky features appear a loser. Poor characteristics (and likely reliability) when considering a tent for storm worthy conditions.
Too bad these tents have leaking problems that no one seems to mention haha
I am a terrible husband. 😪😪😪
Two dudes sitting in a tent with nothing weird going on for sure...
My man I love your videos but you gotta get yourself a proper tent , not another one of these little toys . Invest in a Hilleberg , and you won't have to change tents every two months
I surf way too much on CZcams...
You seem to me like a seller of repackaged Chinese goods
I am first here.
NOPE