Pre-Islamic Arabia | Robert G. Hoyland, PhD with Apostate Prophet
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- Dr. Robert G. Hoyland is a historian who specializes in studies focused on the Middle East and Islamic history. He is the author of several books such as: "Seeing Islam as Others Saw It," "Arabia and the Arabs," and "In God's Path."
He joins me to discuss what we know about pre-Islamic Arabia and the cultural and religious influences on Islam and the Arabs.
You can find Dr. Hoyland's books here:
In God's Path: The Arab Conquests and the Creation of an Islamic Empire (Ancient Warfare and Civilization) www.amazon.com/dp/0190618574/...
Arabia and the Arabs: From the Bronze Age to the Coming of Islam (Peoples of the Ancient World) www.amazon.com/dp/0415195357/...
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00:00:00 Introduction
00:01:15 Our Knowledge on Pre-Islamic Arabia
00:07:10 Female Infanticide and Polygamy
00:11:00 Religion in Pre-Islamic Arabia
00:15:50 The Kaaba Before islam
00:20:12 Other Kaabas and Rituals
00:26:30 An Original Kaaba? Archeological Research
00:30:36 Arab Prophets Besides Muhammad
00:35:24 The Origin of Allah & Monotheism
00:45:00 Were the Polytheists More Tolerant?
00:49:07 The Functions of Gods
00:54:26 Mecca Before Islam
00:59:58 How did Islam Spread?
01:08:31 Future Conversation
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I've had the honor to discuss Pre-Islamic Arabia with Robert Hoyland whose books I enjoyed so much. I'm sorry that the sound quality is not ideal. I would love to visit him in person and record a few more professional videos in documentary format. If you would like to support that, please help me fund the traveling and equipment through the donation links in the description.
Enjoy the conversation and please share your thoughts!
00:00:00 Introduction
00:01:15 Our Knowledge on Pre-Islamic Arabia
00:07:10 Female Infanticide and Polygamy
00:11:00 Religion in Pre-Islamic Arabia
00:15:50 The Kaaba Before islam
00:20:12 Other Kaabas and Rituals
00:26:30 An Original Kaaba? Archeological Research
00:30:36 Arab Prophets Besides Muhammad
00:35:24 The Origin of Allah & Monotheism
00:45:00 Were the Polytheists More Tolerant?
00:49:07 The Functions of Gods
00:54:26 Mecca Before Islam
00:59:58 How did Islam Spread?
01:08:31 Future Conversation
You don't have to live like a 7th century Arab to believe in God
allah is a Saudi Arabian moon god better known as SATAN.
@@jsilvanus240 jesus is a false messiah deceived by satan to claim he was god and then people kiled him for blasphemy
@@generaljg4373 why did God let us be deceived by the Quran, then?
@@generaljg4373 haha! Surah 4:171 says Jesus is allahs word and allahs spirit. How can Jesus be allahs word and spirit but not be Allah? He is god even in the Quran. Surah 9:31 in the Arabic says Allah was mad at people for worshipping their rabbis instead of Allah AND the messiah. So, Allah wants you to worship him AND the messiah. The sahih international version is the honest translation and if you know Arabic, you can read it yourself and see Allah was mad for not worshipping him and Jesus. Muhammad is a false prophet who loved sex and created the perfect heaven full of virgins. The sahih hadith says 70 virgins are from hell. Why is allah allowing things from hell in heaven? Where is allah in this place? Watching people have sex? And a penis that never goes limp. This is God? No. This is the mind of a man who loved sex, who is documented as having sex with all his wives in one day, going to the mosque to pray with sperm stains on his clothes that Aisha had to clean off. This is a prophet of Allah? No. Jesus claimed to be god you’re right. Which is why he was killed. If he was a Muslim as claimed by Islam, why didn’t he know that was shirk? Either he was the worse prophet of Allah ever who committed shirk several times or, it’s because Muhammad just tried to make Jesus a prophet of Islam. That’s what really happened. Jesus says if anyone preaches a message other than his, he is a false prophet. Jesus preached he was gods son, literally his son, that he died on the cross for sins and was raised for the dead. The Quran says Allah has no son. That no one can die for your sins and that Jesus did not die on the cross. So therefore, Muhammad is a false prophet
As soon as I saw that title I could not help but think, Arabia before Islam was like the world before coronavirus.
You got it 👍 😀
The black death☠️💀🤣🤣🤣
@@tetragrammatonasabovesobel885 His goal is to educate people about islam, from a non religious perspective. If we want a biased view we talk to muslims such as yourself. Here he is interviewing an intellectual. What is your real issue?
@@tetragrammatonasabovesobel885 That's low.
If you pointed out flaws in his work, it would be acceptable, but just attacking his credentials without having any criticism of his work is a shameless way of brushing of everything he says.
Islam wasn't an isolated religion. It was born in a culture that allowed for it and many arabs early on accepted it. Sadly people were uneducated and not sceptical. Before Mohammed became big enough to start wars he gained followers by simple technique of manipulation. Many religious leaders and "prophets" before and after him did the same. Check out the birth of mormonism in USA. Objectively speaking when it comes to religion there was no time before covid. Religion was always about selling the myth to gain power. The opium of the masses.
I'm a muslim and I've been watching your videos for quite a while. I was first introduced to you through a Arab muslim youtuber Adam Saleh. At that time, like any other fervent muslim, I thought you were ignorant of Islam and just wanted to get a reaction out of Muslims. And that you were "mocking" Islam without any knowledge of the religion. I didn't know anything about you and I didn't even know you are an ex-muslim. I have to admit, the more I've been watching your videos, the more critical of Islam I have become myself. I am slowly but surely uncovering something about my religion. And you have shown how Islam is viewed through an outsider's lense. Thank you Apostate Prophet, for actually opening my eyes. For making me realize that people who criticise Islam are just normal people and not horrendeous human beings that Muslims portray them to be. And you speak with knowledge and proof to back up what you say. And I admire that about you, regardless of different views.
Thank you! This means a lot!
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@@kayn6858 BEER is Haram 😁
@@sidhantdhagare8135 a little bit of beer can enlighten you. Try it
@@sidhantdhagare8135 beer only when they go jannat with virgins
I had 3 exmuslim friends 2 years ago now it is more than 10. All because of you man. keep doing keep exposing this evil cult
Keep dreaming 😴 Islam is the only truth 😁☝🏻
@@evcanada1451 even after evidence of how fake Islam is for you to still think it is the truth, it is you that is still dreaming.
@@7xr1e20ln8 what evidence? 😂
@Sameet Pattnaik yes Islam is the only truth 😁
leaving Islam only leads you to hell, do the right choice
You are among the few that tapped into the pre-islamic history… please keep up the good work👍👍👍
momo hijab kicked his ass.
Some day there will be Post-Islamic Arabia, thanks to AP and others who are paving the way.
I look forward to post Islamic planet Earth!
@@misterbig9025 That sounds great to me!
No Islam will rule forever!!
@@jarjar7609 🤣🤣🤣
Wait you stupid
Proud to be an Ex Muslim...
Nothing to be proud of poojeet
@@Apo2332see how toxic u are? Thats why I am proud of him too! He left a toxic cult and thats not easy, kudos to that brave man for having wisdom and courage 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Good we got rid of you
Pre islamic period(Jahliya): Anybody can adopt an orphan child.
After islam : Muhammed wants to marry adopted son's wife. So muhammed bans Adoption.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Women were free in pre islamic Arab, example is mohammads first businesswoman wife.
Nice 😁
Mohammeds adopted mother was a business woman too I thought.
Arabia before islam was just like the world before corona virus 😷
Corona didn't destroy artwork, didn't ban music and dance, the only thing that is similar is that women have to cover their face but so do men
@@kacperfrontczak1257 well said
Proud ex muslim here
Sometimes I question myself tho
Great idea to bring on academics. Please do more of these if possible. Adds a lot of credibility to your channel and the cause.
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@@tetragrammatonasabovesobel885 it is simply unavoidable
Our religion levels the capital punishment on him for having apostatised, but we do not have the power to implement it right now. It is to be expected hes going to speak badly about the deen. Dont let it bother you too much
These people if they leave thr world in this state of apostasy will regret it when they go to hell
@@maalikserebryakov Hell isn’t real, so cope.
@@potts995 When you go to hell then you will remember this comment
Your account is banned in my country, it's literally showing How Corrupt Islam is. I'm from a Shia family and now I'm ex Muslim. Thanks for opening my eyes.
Oh well u were never a muslim before
@@mudathirumar9902 no no I was born in a Muslim family, and then for 2 years I'm watching videos of AP and DW, can you show me something that convinces me, and I do toohba and seek forgiveness. No hate.
@@humanrights5742 You were never a Muslim. David Wood and Apostate Prophet doesn't exist. You are in the Matrix. ;)
@@humanrights5742 Shias are not muslims
@@mudathirumar9902 I love my country (USA) but I believe some people in the government have used this to their advantage to get Muslims in the MiddleEast to fight and kill each other. Some refer this as the war machine.
Loved this! The history of the popular religions is absolutely fascinating, and there’s so much mystery surrounding life in pre-Islamic Arabia that I’d love to see be broken down further.
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@@Kim_Jong_Un_. A year and a half later (August, 2020) and Rivdan's digital media influence is going from strength to strength. Have Mo Hijab's diet supplements shrunk your brain as well as your genitals?
@@Kim_Jong_Un_. what women get in heaven 🤣🤣😂😅
@@sampaths8849 🐮🐄
It will be a work of propaganda as usual.
The distorians are saying there was no idol worship in the region.
Remember all the nowadays People's Ancestors living in Arabia fought against Islam.
Not against islam - islam is just an idea. You can't show any person fighting against a quran verse or a hadith. They fought against muslims. Say it as it is. What is the reason to lie and hide the truth?
@@gangadin2873 You are IslamoPhobia
@@maalikserebryakov You keep repeating that word, but you don't know what it means, do you?
@@gangadin2873 racist
@@maalikserebryakov
What race is islam?
Truly loved this talk. Very insightful. Beatiful to see the human behavioral element explained as motivating factor
Great to see you bring on an academic. Please do more.
As far as I am concern that Robert Hoyland is a monster in terms of research.and the books he has written.I am absolutely delighted that you have an interview with him.Well done Ridvan
Pre-Islamic Arabia had mostly Hindu practices and customs and some Jewish culture. Abrahamic culture call these practices as Pagan.
Hindu gods were worshipped and yoga was practiced at the Kaaba, according to historic records cited by websites about the Vedic Hindu roots of Islam. Yoga is the origin of Islamic prayer prostrations. Hindus still practice circumambulation of their temples like the "tawaf" of Muslims around the Kaaba during the haj. There is plenty of fascinating information on this topic online, although, of course, Muslims refuse to face the facts.
@Prasanth Thomas dude do you even know that why there are so much similarities between hindu God indra Greek God zeus or viking God thor bcoz its the same thing but it has a different name in every bcoz of their kocality it's like same in india like we call bhagwaan shiva we so many different names like in South they call shiva with some totally different name and in kabba muslims kiss that stone it's looks almost same as shivling......
@Prasanth Thomas dude u didn't get my point plz watch abhijit chawda on CZcams maybe ur doubt will get clear
@Prasanth Thomas Yea but they are all based on nature and qualities unlike Christian/Islamic brainwashing ideology. And they were all similar because they shared values and culture over several thousands of years.
Yes. The crescent moon is a Shiva symbol. The Zamzam spring is named after Zamza the Ganges.
I love A.P, I've been a ex Muslim many many years ago..I took my shahada like 1998 times I stayed in the deen(religion) for about 3yrs strong day in day out even got that prayer mark on my forehead lol done many many dawah up n down the U.k..1 thing they hated on me was how I remain a vegan and 2 was I loved history books and that iz wen I left islam...2day am free thinker and free spirit the best way of life😎
Khadijah was a very successful woman before Islam ☪️ to the extent that she employed Muhammad as her errand boy, but since the beginning of Islam, there has never been a successful woman like her
Mohammad feared women.
@@yurichtube1162 free women*
Suprisingly there were many female bussines owners or poets before Islam in Arabia , love to know the reality about them, cause clearly they were not as opressed as scholars says
@@loopydoopi she was a widowess; previously married, before finding muhammad, as her perfect "dupe".
she had help from her Roman Catholic relative, Waraqah, and very likely others
by getting Muhammad to marry her; Muhammad became Roman Catholic according to Roman Catholic empire's system's *_uncompromising_* rules.
@@SaintFluffySnow I don’t think that Waraqah was Christian because Mohamed really got many information about other beliefs from him . If waraqah was really a Christian , Mohamed wouldn’t have been confused about the trinity being The father, the som and the Holy Spirit nor that Jesus was a just a prophet
Thank you for this! I’ve been trying to search for information on pre-Islamic Arabia…and it is very difficult to find anything that doesn’t claim the lie “Islam made Arabia better and gave rights to women”.
😂😂😂😂🤡
Woman right in bible
Rape Virgin
Deuteronomy 22:28-29 ESV / 19 helpful votes
“If a man meets a virgin who is not betrothed, and seizes her and lies with her, and they are found, then the man who lay with her shall give to the father of the young woman fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife, because he has violated her. He may not divorce her all his days.
Deuteronomy 22:23-24 ESV / 11 helpful votes
“If there is a betrothed virgin, and a man meets her in the city and lies with her, then you shall bring them both out to the gate of that city, and you shall stone them to death with stones, the young woman because she did not cry for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbor's wife. So you shall purge the evil from your midst.
oh joke
@@arabianfox4545 westerners have moved beyond these ridiculous laws .it is only the peacefuls who want to follow everything in their scriptures word by word .
Can you prove its a lie? Because we know Christian Europe in the Middle Ages were still asking if women have souls...
Proud to be an author of first comment under such based video
based mate have a cookie.
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Nice
@@tetragrammatonasabovesobel885 Which thing keeps u following islam, the fear of the hell moh described. Or the promise of the perverted and materialistic after life the prophet for profit promised you?
I for one am neither of those you mentioned, a truth seeker would be my best description. Majority of APs would be agnostic or atheists i would say.... no lols or emojis at end of this, as i am an adult.
@@tetragrammatonasabovesobel885 if fearing islam is Islamophobia then fearing covid is covidophobia, fearing nazi ideology was naziophobia
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Pretty sure Arabia before Islam is where the tale of Aladin originated.
We have been truly blessed with this content.thank you for all the effort you put in for us mr Prophet
Muhammad’s own uncle, Umar-Bin-E-Hassham was a staunch Hindu and fervent devotee of Lord Shiva. He was a renowned poet and wrote many verses in praise of Shiva. One of these has survived on page 235 of Sair-Ul-Okul and reads as follows: Kafavomal fikra min ulumin Tab asayru Kaluwan amataul Hawa was Tajakhru We Tajakhayroba udan Kalalwade-E Liboawa Walukayanay jatally, hay Yauma Tab asayru Wa Abalolha ajabu armeeman MAHADEVA Manojail ilamuddin minhum wa sayattaru Wa Sahabi Kay-yam feema-Kamil MINDAY Yauman Wa Yakulum no latabahan foeennak Tawjjaru Massayaray akhalakan hasanan Kullahum Najumum aja- at Summa gabul HINDU WHICH TRANSLATES AS: The man who may spend his life in sin and irreligion or waste it in lechery and wrath If at least he relent and return to righteousness can he be saved? If but once he worship Mahadeva with a pure heart, he will attain the ultimate in spirituality. Oh Lord Shiva exchange my entire life for but a day’s sojourn in India where one attains salvation. But one pilgrimage there secures for one all merit and company of the truly great.
On the topic of "Spread of Islam", if it was not for the Turkic tribesmen from Central Asia, Islam would have died out within Syria-Iraq-Jordan region. The Mongols and Turkic tribesmen were far more successful in building a vast empire than "Muslims-Arabs"
ROFL keep lying to yourself you moron. Arabs conquered your people long back, were much more successful and beat your people. They made the empire, the Turks only stole it and literally stole the same practices of Arab government
@@TheUnique69able Slimy Abdul, those Shamanic tribes of Central Asia came and changed the DNA of Iraqis, Jordanians and Syrians first. How do you think Turkey got it's name? Byzantium got screwed so many times that they actually changed their race from blonde, blue-eyed Aishas to Turkic looking with black hair and eyes. Even Taimur Lane screwed the Ottoman's whole family publicly.
@@TheUnique69able tell me will your wife breastfeed me so that I can be mahram to her while you are absent so I can spend some time with her alone? It's in your Quran, Abdul! Aisha's sheep ate up that Aayat.
Muslims think they pray towards Kaaba.
As the Earth is a Sphere with a circumference of 41,000km, praying in a straight line to an object would be physically impossible due to line of sight propagation, Geometry and curvature of the Earth, unless you were within 7 km of the object in question.
The author of quran clearly believed the earth was a flat surface and was ignorant to this huge Geometric problem.
Further note, Muslim astronauts taken to the Space Station by the non belivers have an equally big problem when praying to Kaaba as the Earth is moving at 1600 kph, with the Space Station moving at 26000 kph. The quran author did not consider this problem.
Hehe It seems Allah forgot the earth's surface curvature?
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@@generaljg4373 We not Christian 😁
@@generaljg4373 your Islam was debunked several times.🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@generaljg4373 it's amazing how Muslims hide behind Christianity because they can't defend their religion.
Christianity is the works of Allah too so that's another big fat L for Allah, the impotent god
Yes! Please more interviews with academics. Love this.
@@tetragrammatonasabovesobel885 I'm an Egyptian ex Muslim and I've talked to many people on this channel from the same background.
Regardless, even if what you say is true, it doesn't invalidate this video.
That is a weak excuse to help you cope that Islam is being exposed
@@tetragrammatonasabovesobel885 People like me love it when Rivdan make Christians look foolish. czcams.com/video/qO0dOC_nlbo/video.html
I'm in the political center. I'm looking forward to the day when the internet finally kills off all the Abrahamic religions.
*AP:* "Why do they not allow to go into archaeological research, and all that, in this area? Is it for religious reasons?"
*Dr. Hoyland:* "Saudi their status really comes from being the guardian of the most holy sites of lsIam. *So, I can understand they're not really going to want that narrative to be questioned.* Uhm, or just the broader idea, which is a quite likely one, for some example there were many cultic sites initially in the earliest period of lsIam, including Jerusalem. *So, that's not going to be popular with the Saudi government. Inevitably, they'd like to preserve the standard narrative!"*
*Me:* Well, that was a very polite way to say, that they don't want their Kaaba bubble bursted, since it's a great source of income for Saudi Arabia! The arabic Disneyland gotta keep rollin!
Some people cannot handle the truth!
The Islamic World, based on some verses in the Qur'an (81:8-9, 16:58-59) There is a discourse that pre-Islamic girls were buried alive.
However, although there is no trace of this in the historical records, it seems impossible that such a practice exists outside of individual events.
Especially in Arab societies, from the past to the present, when we consider the fact that men are married to more than one woman, it is clear that these claims are completely baseless.
If we look at it from a scientific point of view,
It is a determination in terms of social sociology that serious social problems will arise if the ratio of Women / Men in societies deviates above 10%.
According to the common view in the scientific world, the sex ratio at birth is considered to be "100 Girls - 107 Boys".
There are 101 men for every 100 women in the entire world population.
Depending on the definition used, the rate of intersex (intersexual) live births is between 0.1% and 1.7%.
Considering the fact that according to the available scientific data, the number of men in the world is more than the number of women, How can the Prophet allow men to marry 4 women in a society that bury their daughters alive?
The only explanation for such an application is, It may be that the lack of women is eliminated through "Slaves and Concubines", even this does not change the fact that the number of women with whom men will marry officially will be missing by 1/4.
CONCERNING THAT GIRLS ARE NOT BURIED ALIVE...
81:8-9 -
and when baby girls, buried alive, are asked for what crime they were put to death..
16:58-59 -
Whenever one of them is given the good news of a baby girl, his face grows gloomy, as he suppresses his rage.
He hides himself from the people because of the bad news he has received.
Should he keep her in disgrace, or bury her ˹alive˺ in the ground? Evil indeed is their judgment!
Love this arabic disney land part 🤣🤣
At the End its all about money and power 🙃
good luck in hell BLACKANGEL
Yes!!!! More interviews with him. Loved it heaps.
@@tetragrammatonasabovesobel885 Dude,...your doctrine it's narrative has fallen apart for the greater part. It was taken apart by people that are experts. So I don't know what you are yapping at here.
I look at the matters of doctrines from a Buddhist or Advaita Vedanta (non-dual) perspective and I can easily say that Islam is crude, clouded, controversial, conflicting, with a small percentage of truth.
It can also easily be seen that much of the Quran is plagiarized Judaism/Christianity and that much of the blabla of last true revelation and last true prophet/religion is just bait and indoctrination talk for gullible people.
Look man, I have looked and kind of studied other religions to understand the essence or at least understand the perspective and essence and therefore I can tell you that Islam has more than just motivations for a relationship with the divine truth/God. Some of it is more or less gang or mob rules. (the only way out of the mafia is death, sounds familiar?!?!)
So you have a good day man. Good luck with your cult beliefs
This was fantastic, AP. Thanks.
If Islam is a religion of peace as Muslims claim, why did Muhammad destroy the idols in Mecca?
Because this is what his God commands him to do just like what he did with Moses peace be upon him that there should be no idols Exodus 34:14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:
There have been several kaabas and Holy stones on the Arab peninsula. It's written in byzantine literature and also in some Islamic sources about Abu Bakr who destroyed them.
he destroyed them cuz they were pagan temples and we obviously don't want people to go to hell by worshipping false gods
@@Suzuha_Amane lol isn't that a deep doublestandard? The kaaba in Mecca has pagan roots too
@@Larrypint They had enough manpower to take over the kaaba and milk it for money, as to the other temples they simply found it the best solution to destroy them...It is funny if you think about it, everything from the kaabah to RAMA-dan (wich was a celebration for a hindu god name RAMA) is taken from pagan gods then converted into Islam religion, Meanwhile the GOD of abraham, isac and jacob destroyed nations for taking a single false idol into its temple to pray, somewhere in the madness of islam they claimed jesus as one of their prophets aswell...It's just a mix mash of different religions put into one, and to critizise it has death penalty so on and on it goes. Without lies, islam dies
@@Suzuha_Amane We captured some of the women as captives, and the long separation from our wives was pressing us hard and we wanted to release sperms outside of the women. We asked Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) (whether it was permissible). He said, "It is better for you to release sperms inside. No soul, (that which Allah has) destined to exist, up to the Day of Resurrection, but will definitely come, into existence."
Sahih al-Bukhari 2542
@@Suzuha_Amane And Allah was NEVER a false god was he?!!?? HA HA HA HA!!!!
If 7th century had invented camera Muhammad will caught in red handed
Right
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More recent religions such as mormonism and scientology where the history is well known are easiest to debunk. If there were cameras and youtube in Mohammeds time, you would still have crazy people following him but I suspect there wouldn't be billions of them.
Just beginning to listen to this video and commenting immediately because I am intensely interested in this topic. At university, I studied Near Eastern Languages and Cultures. I tried to write a paper on this subject, and there was soooo little information in the entire extensive library and in all their considerable resources. I found ONE book with a bit of pre-Islamic history, and someone had written in the margins with angry denials of the accuracy.
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whats the point of studyingThat sht lmao.
learn a proper subject
@@maalikserebryakov Learn that dog 🐕 faeces call Islam? ☪️ you need to update yourself with what's happening in academia: Islam ☪️ is being carpet bombed academically.
@@maalikserebryakov What would you consider a "proper subject?" Some people are interested in information, in language, culture and history. Research and study in nearly any field can be enriching and rewarding.
@@maalikserebryakov a proper subject like the mechanics of how a body with mass & size of an average donkey, can fly
Neither Mohamed of Islamic traditions nor Mecca in Pre-Islamic times existed. Arab empire invented Islam. Arabs created quran from compilation of Pre-Islamic Arabic/Syriac/Aramaic literature derived from Biblical stories, ideas & popular local folklores.
Pre-Islamic Arabia sounds like some form of India, a melting pot of religions and cultures. Everyone had their own beliefs, and although they had the occasional fight, they generally respected and accepted each other’s.
Facts....but monotheism is a dangerous concept...and it almost destroyed India's culture and religion..
@riverdalehigh8r5tthanks to the prophet and his companians there is only one religion in arabia and it is al islam always and forever 🏴🏴
Back in 2005 I was in Iraq and spoke to a very old villager who said the purpose of the Kaaba pre Islamic times was a burial to someone called Hubal and had a statue on top of it.
Animal sacrifices were carried out in honor to Hubal. This later became human sacrifices where a young Mohammed had to witness his younger brother being sacrificed making Mohammed fall out
with his father and led to Mohammed being kicked out of Mecca where he headed north to Medina which was occupied by the Persians.
Once Mohammed crew up to adulthood he was able to raise an army through the Persian forces and attack the Meccans.
When he arrived back in Mecca he destroyed the Kaaba. It is unclear whether Hubals body was destroyed or moved by the locals before Mohammed got there.
The old man told me that this was written down on old manuscripts from Cairo,s museum collection.
All in all great piece with Dr Hoyland and yourself, well done.
🤣🤣🤣 an old man from Iraq as your reference. Mohamed never even had a brother and that’s a fact. His father died before he was born so how can he fall out with him 😭😭😂 you’ll do well as a fiction story teller.
As an ex Muslim, This is absolute rubbish 😂 Mohamed didn’t have a brother lol
@@Andalus710 We captured some of the women as captives, and the long separation from our wives was pressing us hard and we wanted to release sperms outside of the women. We asked Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) (whether it was permissible). He said, "It is better for you to release sperms inside. No soul, (that which Allah has) destined to exist, up to the Day of Resurrection, but will definitely come, into existence."
Sahih al-Bukhari 2542
@@takiyaazrin7562😢😢😢
According to Pre-Islam Allah had 3 daughters
Yes
The entry to Islam is strictest monotheism which means that there are no partners in divinity of the God, and He has no human incarnations or family members. All theists believe in One Supreme God but Muslims insist that this supreme God has no partners, human incarnations or family members. This is where we draw line and that’s where entry to Islam begins.
The chapter Al Ikhlas is considered to be the value of the one third of Quran although it has only four verses:
112:1-4
Say, "He is Allah, [who is] One,
Allah, the Eternal Refuge.
He neither begets nor is born,
Nor is there to Him any equivalent."
Apparently any hint towards associating any partners in divinity of Allah are not only against Islam, but take people out of the fold of Islam. There is absolutely no compromise on it.
During the modern day Islam, as revealed finally with the Prophet Mohammad, peace be upon him, the Arabs believed in many small gods. They also had idols which they considered were angels and were daughters of God. The word Allah, which means God, existed even before Islam. The Arab polytheist believed that there is a supreme God but they also believed that these idols who were angels were also partners in divinity, and one could reach to god by worshipping them or offering sacrifices to them. There was apparently no compromise on it and Muslims faced persecution for preaching against idolatry and were forced to migrate to Madina. Later on after conquest of Makkah, all these idols were destroyed.
In the verses where Lat and Manat are mentioned are few of the innumerable instances in which Allah encourages us to reflect how illogical polytheism is. Allah says in these verses that you have attributed daughters to God while you prefer sons for yourself, because they can fight and defend the tribe. Isn’t it an illogical thing that you should attribute daughters to God and sons for yourself? In the following verse, Allah makes it evident that all these beliefs are just whims of people who have created based on their imagination, and people believe in them because of their love for their forefathers.
The excerpt from the following link gives the answer:
Who are Al-Lat, Al-Uzza, Manat and Huba? - Encyclopedia of searchable Islamic Q & A - Islamhelpline
Who are lat uzza manat hubaal
In the name of Allah, We praise Him, seek His help and ask for His forgiveness. Whoever Allah guides none can misguide, and whoever He allows to fall astray, none can guide them aright. We bear witness that there is none worthy of worship but Allah Alone, and we bear witness that Muhammad (saws) is His slave-servant and the seal of His Messengers.
Allah Says in the Holy Quran Chapter 53 Surah Najm verses 19-23:
19 Have ye seen Lat and Uzza
20 And another the third (goddess) Manat?
21 What? For you the male sex and for Him the female?
22 Behold such would be indeed a division most unfair!
23 These are nothing but names which ye have devised, ye and your fathers, for which Allah has sent down no authority (whatever). They follow nothing but conjecture and what their own souls desire! Even though there has already come to them Guidance from their Lord!
The names Lat, Uzza, Manat and Hubaal were four amongst the 360+ names and images assigned to the self-invented and false deities, gods and goddesses which were worshipped by the pagans of Arabia at the time of the advent of the Prophet (saws).
These four self-invented and false deities were recognized and honored as the principal idols of pagan Arab idolatry in the days of ignorance in Arabia.
Ref: Al-Lat
The shrine of the supposed goddess Al-Lat was placed in the city of Taif, and the Arab tribe of Banu Thaqeef were its main devotees.
Ref: Al-Uzza
The shrine of the supposed goddess Al-Uzza was situated at a place called Hurad in the valley of Nakhlah, which is situated between the cities of Makkah and Taif. The Arab tribe of the Banu Shaibaan, who happened to be the allies of the tribe of Banu Hashim, were its main attendees.
Ref: Manat
The shrine of the supposed goddess Manat was situated at Qudaid by the Red Sea between the cities of Makkah and Madinah; and the Arab tribes of Khuzaah, Aus, and Khazraj were its principal devotees.
Ref: Hubaal
Hubaal was apparently the biggest and most honored deity amongst the many gods of pagan Quraish of Makkah
Whatever written of Truth and benefit is only due to Allahs Assistance and Guidance, and whatever of error is of me alone. Allah Alone Knows Best and He is the Only Source of Strength.
Allah is not a proper name, its a title given to the tutelar deity of a specific region. In the case of Hijaz and the Kaaba of Mecca it was Hubal. Muslims just took it because their god doesn't even have a proper name, and insist their god was the one above the pantheon, which is false too.
@@benjaminbingaman1848 speak for yourself, not all theists believe in the nonsense of monotheism. The Gods are logical beings, therefore, cannot be illogical like the abrahamic god.
Mr. Robert Hoyland is probably the most mentioned author throughout videos on islam. I never knew he resembled imran khan.
hahaha I actually thought that too
They are Brothers lol
@@theman8070 separated at birth😆😂
@@theman8070 yes all the brain power seems to have inherited by Mr Robert Holland, leaving the other brother with little to no grey matter in his brain.
thought of the same lol im glad im not the only one
Pre Arabia was similar with Vedic Hinduism. the pilgrim proceeds towards Mecca he is asked to shave his head and beard and to do special sacred attire that consists of two seamless sheets of white cloth (That's vedic). The culminating rite in a Hindu marriage enjoins upon the bride and groom to go round the sacred fire four times (but misunderstood by many as seven times).
Since “Makha” in sanskrit means fire in Vedic Astrology, the 7 circumambulations also prove that Mecca (distorted word for Makha) was the seat of Indian fire-worship in the West Asia.
The word Arabia is itself the abbreviation of a Sanskrit word. The original word is ‘Arabasthan’. Since Prakrit ‘B’ is Sanskrit ‘V’ (like Vanga became Banga or Bangla and Vihar became Bihar) the original Sanskrit name of the land is ‘Arvasthan’.
‘Arva’ in Sanskrit means a horse and it signifies a land of horses, and as well all of us know, Arabia is famous for its horses.
Not true, these were pagan Arabian gods, Hinduism didn't exist yet when muslims came to India during the Islamic invasion they named Indian people Hindus, so no these idols got nothing to do with Hindusm
@@generaljg4373 lol are you a spammer? Same exact reply under every comment. Hinduism is the oldest religion , the Persians who used to follow Zoroastrian gave this word "hindu" to the followers of Vedic people as they mis pronounced the word "sindhu" as "hindu". Islam wasn't even born at that time.
@@generaljg4373 The King Vikramaditya inscription was found on a gold dish hung inside the Kaaba shrine in Mecca, proving beyond doubt that the Arabian Peninsula formed a part of his Indian Empire. (Ref: page 315 of a volume known as 'Sayar-ul-Okul' treasured in the Makhtab-e-Sultania library in Istanbul, Turkey).
@@alphadragon1948 wait , what is Sayar-ul-Okul? Is it an authentic book? Or something made up?
Love it- Arab brothers and sisters should watch it
seeing islam is the most important book written by R Hoyland
@@tetragrammatonasabovesobel885 It angers you that someone is exposing the sham cult of Islam!!
The Islamic World, based on some verses in the Qur'an (81:8-9, 16:58-59) There is a discourse that pre-Islamic girls were buried alive.
However, although there is no trace of this in the historical records, it seems impossible that such a practice exists outside of individual events.
Especially in Arab societies, from the past to the present, when we consider the fact that men are married to more than one woman, it is clear that these claims are completely baseless.
If we look at it from a scientific point of view,
It is a determination in terms of social sociology that serious social problems will arise if the ratio of Women / Men in societies deviates above 10%.
According to the common view in the scientific world, the sex ratio at birth is considered to be "100 Girls - 107 Boys".
There are 101 men for every 100 women in the entire world population.
Depending on the definition used, the rate of intersex (intersexual) live births is between 0.1% and 1.7%.
Considering the fact that according to the available scientific data, the number of men in the world is more than the number of women, How can the Prophet allow men to marry 4 women in a society that bury their daughters alive?
The only explanation for such an application is, It may be that the lack of women is eliminated through "Slaves and Concubines", even this does not change the fact that the number of women with whom men will marry officially will be missing by 1/4.
CONCERNING THAT GIRLS ARE NOT BURIED ALIVE...
81:8-9 -
and when baby girls, buried alive, are asked for what crime they were put to death..
16:58-59 -
Whenever one of them is given the good news of a baby girl, his face grows gloomy, as he suppresses his rage.
He hides himself from the people because of the bad news he has received.
Should he keep her in disgrace, or bury her ˹alive˺ in the ground? Evil indeed is their judgment!
In pre-Islamic Arabia, women were free enough to trade.
Mohammadin's wife, Hatice, was one of the biggest merchants of Mecca.
There is not a single female trader in post-Islamic Arabia.
Arab-Islamic imperialism has assimilated all societies of the Middle East and North Africa, as well as destroyed their beliefs, ethnicities, cultures and traditions.
Thousands of years of cultures have been Arabized.
The peoples of Egypt, Libya, Tunisia, Morocco, Algeria... were all Arabized and lost their personality.
Women have been made second class people.
Briefly thousands of years of values and cultures were destroyed by the tyranny of the Arab-Islamic imperialists.
@@tetragrammatonasabovesobel885 More like critical thinkers, than those that watch revert stories to feel satisfied with themselves.
I was waiting for this video ❤️
Scholars always sound a little nervous when discussing Islam
Because they don't know anything . It 's all theorys that what they have.
Thanks for shining a light on a little understood corner of history. This was cool.
Thank you. It was so beautiful
I truly enjoyed it. Thanks man you’re always intellectually honest
WOW and WOW, those engaged in critical analysis of Islam seem to be really opening up to the public lately😍🤩. Much like those doing the same for the Bible did many years ago.
@@tetragrammatonasabovesobel885 A word of advice: Repeating your ad hominem attack adds nothing to it and just makes you seem even weaker than you already are.
The Islamic World, based on some verses in the Qur'an (81:8-9, 16:58-59) There is a discourse that pre-Islamic girls were buried alive.
However, although there is no trace of this in the historical records, it seems impossible that such a practice exists outside of individual events.
Especially in Arab societies, from the past to the present, when we consider the fact that men are married to more than one woman, it is clear that these claims are completely baseless.
If we look at it from a scientific point of view,
It is a determination in terms of social sociology that serious social problems will arise if the ratio of Women / Men in societies deviates above 10%.
According to the common view in the scientific world, the sex ratio at birth is considered to be "100 Girls - 107 Boys".
There are 101 men for every 100 women in the entire world population.
Depending on the definition used, the rate of intersex (intersexual) live births is between 0.1% and 1.7%.
Considering the fact that according to the available scientific data, the number of men in the world is more than the number of women, How can the Prophet allow men to marry 4 women in a society that bury their daughters alive?
The only explanation for such an application is, It may be that the lack of women is eliminated through "Slaves and Concubines", even this does not change the fact that the number of women with whom men will marry officially will be missing by 1/4.
CONCERNING THAT GIRLS ARE NOT BURIED ALIVE...
81:8-9 -
and when baby girls, buried alive, are asked for what crime they were put to death..
16:58-59 -
Whenever one of them is given the good news of a baby girl, his face grows gloomy, as he suppresses his rage.
He hides himself from the people because of the bad news he has received.
Should he keep her in disgrace, or bury her ˹alive˺ in the ground? Evil indeed is their judgment!
In pre-Islamic Arabia, women were free enough to trade.
Mohammadin's wife, Hatice, was one of the biggest merchants of Mecca.
There is not a single female trader in post-Islamic Arabia.
Arab-Islamic imperialism has assimilated all societies of the Middle East and North Africa, as well as destroyed their beliefs, ethnicities, cultures and traditions.
Thousands of years of cultures have been Arabized.
The peoples of Egypt, Libya, Tunisia, Morocco, Algeria... were all Arabized and lost their personality.
Women have been made second class people.
Briefly thousands of years of values and cultures were destroyed by the tyranny of the Arab-Islamic imperialists.
@@tetragrammatonasabovesobel885 and islamaphobe is someone that fears islam, why is that a radical thought.
Imagine this planet without Islam!
No FGM, people drink alcoholi drinks, no barbaric laws!
There would be no Arab women hijabs or burqas!
You people are so naive. Islam is just a sect of christianity that made it big.
Like mormonism. Without Islam, some other religious nut would gain popularity and you would be here complaining about that religion. People need to educate themselves about religion in general not just islam.
In pre-Islamic Arabia, women were free enough to trade.
Mohammadin's wife, Hatice, was one of the biggest merchants of Mecca.
There is not a single female trader in post-Islamic Arabia.
@@glowing571 Right..and christian fundamentalists storming Capitol and hearing voices that tell them Trump is still the president of USA (one of the greatest powers in the world) despite losing the election is not dangerous for the entire world. 🙄 Yes you are naive.
It’s a bit worrying how many people are becoming ex-Muslims. It’s actually a bit worrying because Islam won’t go down without a fight. Governments and Muslim majority societies will become more and more brutal on “apostasy” and “blasphemy”.
This brutality will only result in more apostasy. 😅😅😅
There's a video of a mufti admitting that people are abandoning Islam due to its brutality.
I'll say it for you AP.
"Stay away from lslam"
Thanks for that history lesson. You hit quite a few questions I'd had on the subject. Please do keep having the scholars on. So fun to learn from such educators
Keep doing for Islam what Dereck Lambert has done for the other Abrahamic religions.
I love it!
Sweet! That's a topic really worth talking about!
How much for that profile pic? I'm willing to pay up to 500 10-point bucks if I can even get a chance to buy that thing. I saw it in a dream once. It was a bad dream, but still, a dream...or sumfink like that.
@@severiusbrandusa1413 It's not for sale. What was that dream about?
Very informative and interesting conversation with a great guest! I have had Dr. Hoyland's book "Seeing Islam as Others Saw It" in my wish list for a while, waiting for the price to drop or a more affordable used copy!
Thanku man.. U r doing great work.. Cant... Appriciate in words❤❤❤❤
Thank you for educating people about Islam and Arabs. I've had several Arab friends in my 73 years, but never understood the foundation upon which they stand. Again thank you for enlightening your followers in these areas.
Its something that since childhood they has been doctrine. And unlike Christian, people has a freedom to think. In this islam. Its no other answers and no other religions is true than islam.
@@superanonymous467 there is no freedom in Christianity, if you don't believe in Jesus you burn in hell forever
@@Suzuha_Amane rather than believe in propet Mohamed the pedo. If i dont believe in Mohamed do i go to jannah..
@@Suzuha_Amane that's literally the same thing in islam
@@superanonymous467 in all abrahamic religions, if you don't do what they tell you then u won't go to heaven
Id follow this guy as a guest on any platform that chooses to interview this man. So much to learn from him.
I interviewed Dr. Hoyland on my platform about several days ago. check it out
@@skepsislamica will do...didnt you interview him earlier as well, or maybe im thinking about ahmed al jallad
So many pagan and Zoroastrian myths/rituals somehow found it's way into Islam.
It's very funny when these Muslims walk around calling Christianity pagan 😂😂
Exactly 👍🏾
I am so proud of u Ridvan. Keep up the good work
Yeah, great work, Apuss 👍 you have a guy with PhD. without evidence, all speculation
Great storytelling, I tell you
@@assadmahiddin6070 if u cant believe it ur problem. Islam is a big lie
@@assadmahiddin6070 well at least he doesnt preach about a Marvel movie plot based on 7th century called Miraj, its funny how we should not trust academics but should belive stories like that !
@@meggieqin8496 Darwin the monkey
The “Before the Time of Islam”.
Sheikh Yabooti, you are awesome, my dude. Great topic.
Love from Bangladesh 🇧🇩💕❤
The Pre Islamic world was much more colorful and progressive...
Throughout history, everytime culture strives trying to elevate humanity, a barbarian horde ends up in the subjugation and exploitation of it...
27:35 Great picture there. I don't usually see the Kaaba naked.
AP you are our only hope. Take care of yourself. I can't believe the fact your account exist on yt. It literally changed my life🙏...
Interesting topic. Great video.
He sounds so much like Christopher Hitchens! 😲
Yes, Hitchens's diction was also somewhat hard to hear.
Super interesting! Hope you are doing better now AP. ❤️🙏
@@tetragrammatonasabovesobel885 AP is living in your head rent free brazzarr!
I had long been interested in pre-Islamic Arabia and even more so as i noticed the great lack of information about it and the way Muslims tended to dismiss the whole subject, as if Arabia before Muhammad somehow had no history worth talking about, which was obviously false.
Walking around a box, worshipping coloured rocks, stoning pillars, drinking holy water, offering blood sacrifices, the number 7, pilgrimage … these are all very pre-Islamic paganism.
i am glad that I see him on CZcams and also read his books
Thank you for actually being prepared. You had questions and weren't just relying on the guest to give a presentation (not that there is something wrong with presentations, as long as it is supposed to be a presentation). A lot of other youtubers have a guest on and just think they can wing it (use their 'amazing' personality) and the interview will be great.
Yes AP prepares really well, i noticed on this one and the Shady Nasser interviee how much more he was able to explore with these academics. Really appreciate the professionalism too.
🔴It was only Baal that had three daughters. So the attribution that Allah had three daughters in Quran, is the affirmation that Allah of Arabia is Baal. The removing of his three daughters does not stop him being the Baal who had three daughters
The Quran differences ba'l and Allah. They are not the same.
And Indeed, Elijah was among the messengers, When he said to his people: "Will you not fear Allah?Do you call upon Ba'l and leave the best of creators - Allah, your Lord and the Lord of your first forefathers?" And they denied him, so indeed, they will be brought [for punishment], Except the chosen servants of Allah. And we left for him [favorable mention] among later generations: Peace be upon Ilyāseen. Indeed, We thus reward the doers of good.Indeed, he was of Our believing servants."
There are no evidences that Baal had three daughters.
Pre-islamic arabia sounds fascinating
Not rly, just as superstitious and backwards Culture, Islam basically evolved out of the pagan culture in arabia. Its for example true arabians used to burry their child alive if it was a girl.
The Islamic World, based on some verses in the Qur'an (81:8-9, 16:58-59) There is a discourse that pre-Islamic girls were buried alive.
However, although there is no trace of this in the historical records, it seems impossible that such a practice exists outside of individual events.
Especially in Arab societies, from the past to the present, when we consider the fact that men are married to more than one woman, it is clear that these claims are completely baseless.
If we look at it from a scientific point of view,
It is a determination in terms of social sociology that serious social problems will arise if the ratio of Women / Men in societies deviates above 10%.
According to the common view in the scientific world, the sex ratio at birth is considered to be "100 Girls - 107 Boys".
There are 101 men for every 100 women in the entire world population.
Depending on the definition used, the rate of intersex (intersexual) live births is between 0.1% and 1.7%.
Considering the fact that according to the available scientific data, the number of men in the world is more than the number of women, How can the Prophet allow men to marry 4 women in a society that bury their daughters alive?
The only explanation for such an application is, It may be that the lack of women is eliminated through "Slaves and Concubines", even this does not change the fact that the number of women with whom men will marry officially will be missing by 1/4.
CONCERNING THAT GIRLS ARE NOT BURIED ALIVE...
81:8-9 -
and when baby girls, buried alive, are asked for what crime they were put to death..
16:58-59 -
Whenever one of them is given the good news of a baby girl, his face grows gloomy, as he suppresses his rage.
He hides himself from the people because of the bad news he has received.
Should he keep her in disgrace, or bury her ˹alive˺ in the ground? Evil indeed is their judgment!
@@hattorihanzo562 theres no evidence for that only hearsay from biased quran hadith texts based on their own narratives of their enemy.
@@hattorihanzo562 this is one of the biggest lies that scholars keep telling . If they barried little girls , they would have gone extinct
Interesting interview AP the way you do it to see the view among scholars in academia is absolutely interesting
End of Apuss's Career:
czcams.com/video/8QE11l6sc04/video.html
Considering that Islam is just a mix of the Christian and Arab-Pagan traditions, while there were a lot of Christians and Jews who already brought civilization to the Arabian-Peninsula long before Islam, so this particular region haven't really changed from the time of pagans, until the discovery of oil in the last century.
Christmas is pagan
and as Mr Hoyland said, many of the Christians there would have been heretic sects who had had to leave areas under mainstream Christianity. This is why the Qur'an accuses Christians of worshipping a holy trinity of Father, Son and Virgin Mary when this was not what real Christians had believed since since six hundred years before Mohammed as proven by the writings of Pope Clement 1 and the council of Nicea. Mohammed clearly didn't know this, but "Allah" should have.
Nah cristian people still pagan till this day unfortunately, but Islam brought many things such as algorithm math modern medicine but other religions did give anything to society especially christianity
@@gepwxaqdfsidsesg1548 Jesus said worship one God . Early Christians followed this message and others the majority did not and made him God after he died or appeared to die .
The Qur'an mentioned this and accused them of worshipping a man and is wrong .
Qur'an was aware of this even though Christians claimed that ISA is God .
The Qur'an is correct actually .
@@generaljg4373 Wrong, all the things which you mentioned were invented by the Zoroastrians and Byzantine-Christians, while the hole modern world until 21th century was developed almost exclusively by the Western-Christians. There are some local traditions that have survived from the pagan times in the Christian countries, but we can easily make a distinction between them and the traditions which are exclusively Christian, while Islam in its core is a mix of the Christian and Arab-Pagan tradition.
Look forward to listening to this later. Have read two of his books. In God’s Path he scuttles that ridiculous notion that the Arabs won so many victories only because they had a huge tailwind provided by Allah. Just as no one can become a concert pianist by starting to learn the instrument at age 30, no group can become conquerors without extensive military experience.
You jthey
The book was quite good and makes one appreciate the vigor and spirit of similarly great peoples in history; Romans, Mongols, the many Muslim Sultanates and empires, Crusaders etc.
pre-Islamic Arabia might be similar to India or Greece. As polytheism was the general religion throughout the world.
It’s similar to Babylon or Canaan too. You can make a case for the Mesopotamian chief deity Marduk or Anu with the arabian al-lah. Or the Elohim of the Canaanites/Israelites
Great interview =)
LOVED THIS
I really enjoy this discussion and I really love to see more academics in your channel. Your channel is awesome.. Is fascinating.. I'm considering reading In God's path. Keep up the good work.
Check out Robert Hoyland's interview with mythvision czcams.com/video/JrIWap1kNG4/video.html
@@inquisitivemind007 wow thanks. I'm watching now. 😍
History is always written by the winners -that's why one needs to be cautious about reaching certain conclusions.
Yup
Great talk. Would be good to have Mr. Hoyland back to talk about his other books.
Love your work AP
Great job AP👏👏👏...
Good topic!! 👍
Great topic AP. Awesome👍👍.
Brother you are doing a great job by telling the truth about Islam 🐷. Keep doing the great work.
Pre-Islamic Arabia is something I've wondered about, many times, but not taken the time to look into. In part, I have the excuse that it's hard to find; my halfhearted attempts have quickly come to dead ends. In part, though, I must blame myself; as admitted, the attempts were just halfhearted. Thanks to both AP and Dr. Hoyland for helping me overcome both difficulties!
I'm very happy to learn that more knowledge about pre-Islamic Arabian culture has survived than I thought. Sadly, there still seems to me much less than I had hoped. Hopefully, with time, the region will become more peaceful, and more hospitable to archeologists. I imagine that the entire peninsula is largely unexplored, archeologically.
I dont know if you are familiar with arabic or persian but there are lots of researchers who are doing reaserchs about pre Islami arabic culture and have published some book as well , definetly check them out
It seems like if pre islamic Arabia practiced female infanticide that would make it very difficult to have numerous wives and in general it seems like the society would fail for lack of females to sustain the birth rate.
Thats true, because there are arab tribes in yemen ,Iraq ,and south of Iran that has their own history and killing the young girls was never mentioned in that , it seems it was only a thing common in Qureish tribe and probably their sourandings, not the whole semitic tribes
Excellent!
I really dig your t-shirt emblem, AP!
Hoyland looks like a mix between Joseph Gordon Levitt and Imran Khan. Pretty handsome guy.
You mean the Taliban khan? 😂😂😂
Nooooooooooooooooo
Why did you say imran Khan
I am traumatized now.
👏🙂
Very interesting
OMG, You got Robert Hoyland on !
Thanks Ridwan really interesting intelligent chat, as always.
Piecing together a pre-Islamic Arabia helps get a sense of what 'Islam' is .. ?
I'm getting a sense that religiously at least pre-Islamic Arabia was maybe more 'chill' (if primitive with Razzia) than Islam itself.
The mafia style of the Umma formed over time maybe
The traditional Islamic story is heavily redacted and curated?
The first people to destroy Quranic texts were Muslims, Uthman, who wanted to emphasize a particular narrative.
Great chat, I had not come across Robert before, will check his books out.
Brother AP: Lovely stream! I know that you have had a very cordial debate with Dr. Michael Brown on The Modern Day Debate CZcams channel, moderated by James. Would you consider having Dr. Michael Brown as a guest on your CZcams channel for a discussion on a topic the two of you could mutually agree to, in the foreseeable future?
Outstanding content
This what i wanted to know so badly thnx
Check out the other interview he did on mythvision czcams.com/video/JrIWap1kNG4/video.html
@@inquisitivemind007 BRO WTF THANK U SO MUCH I WANTED THIS
@@inquisitivemind007 i heard him in the podcast he said he interviewd dr anthony about the historical mohamed but couldnt find the vid if u know it pls send it
@@inquisitivemind007 also if u have any other vids about history of islam birth (non muslim sources) pls send
@@abrahamherzl9904 Sean W Anthony's interview czcams.com/video/fu0hGLzw7eo/video.html
Based on what I have been learning about Islam, the status of women hasn't improved over the pre Islamic times.
Let me guess you come to conclusions that with what is lime had to offer compared to pre-Islamic Arabia that things have not improved and that women under Islam are treated as second class citizens
Whooo, I *love* this! I'll go make myself comfortable.🍿 Happy New Year AP! 🍾🎊
Edit: And the video is monetized!