Manual Tempo Mapping in
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- čas přidán 14. 08. 2024
- If you've ever been sent a project that was not recorded to a click, you know how difficult it can be to play along or add time based effects or virtual instruments.
Fortunately, REAPER has a method to create a manual tempo map and adjust the grid to fit the performance, instead of the other way around. This is great if you want to preserve the original performance!
Please note that this video is much longer than my usual, and some of it is more "fly on the wall" style where you would be watching me work without narration. Make use of the chapter markers if you need to skip around. There is PLENTY to learn!
00:00 - Start
00:45 - Marker 10
01:15 - Lesson Start
03:57 - Adding the Tempo Envelope
04:45 - Project Timebase Settings
05:42 - Time Signature/Tempo Change Marker
06:59 - Metronome Fail
07:14 - Adjusting Our Starting Point
08:22 - Target Acquired: We Found Our Starting Point
08:33 - Envelop Display Settings
09:09 - Grid Size Adjustment
09:25 - Let's Get To Work
09:41 - Adding Points to the Tempo Envelope
10:17 - Moving Points on the Tempo Map
11:20 - Finally Fixing the Metronome...
11:37 - Adding More Points and Editing the Grid
13:14 - Spectral Peaks
13:42 - Back to Editing
16:24 - Increase Waveform Height
17:34 - Where The Vocals Start
19:14 - Testing Out Work So Far
19:49 - Finished Product
22:24 - Closing Remarks
23:26 - Post Credits Scene
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Hi Myk.
Nice work on this topic as usual.
But seeing you adding manually all this points, I remember a custom I did for a friend.
Here are the terms of it :
Script: X-Raym_Insert markers at grid lines in time selection.lua
Script: X-Raym_Set selected tempo enveloppe points value.lua
Script: Mordi_Create tempo-map from markers
Maybe it can spare a bit of time.
Bye.
Thank you. I looked for something to insert the points for me, but obviously didn't find what I was looking for. Definitely doesn't mean it doesn't already exist, but I likely just wasn't searching for the correct term(s)
@@LetsTalkAboutReaper Happy to help you in return, Myk.
Only thing is to have the grid set accordingly.
I don't know how to export a custom, so I gave it that way. You'll manage to create it, I think. 😊
Bye.
Wow, so glad I found your channel. I've been using REAPER for nearly 10 years and been following Jon for that long and i've watch ed three of your videos and picked up 6 amazing tips - awesome!
This is a super helpful video. Thanks so much!
You’re a blessing to the audio community.
Totally agree. This is a detailed and extended tutorial but not a word is wasted , the explanation is crystal clear.
Seriously, thank you for all of the work you put in with this channel. SO helpful.
Hey, thank YOU! I started this channel just to have something to do during pandemic, and to teach myself to edit video. I never expected it to grow into an amazing community, none of this is possible without you guys!
The vast majority of my client work needs tempo mapping. I made a custom action that moves the edit cursor forward 1 measure and inserts a tempo marker. I also made both a menu button and a custom keystroke. I start by pressing the button and adding tempo markers until I see an obvious discrepancy. I adjust the marker to match the waveform and then use the keystroke or button an keep moving forward. I can now edit a 5 minute song in less than 30 minutes.
This was actually my first time doing it 😁
looking forward to discovering more methods to make this workflow more efficient.
Super helpful. I'll try this instead of slip editing my drums before overdubs.
Be sure to check the comments, there's some helpful tips from the community regarding scripts to make the insertion of points much quicker! I plan to test and make a short video once I find a script or combination of actions that works well for me
Im new but im here good work
Had a guy send me some guitar tracks a few years ago. His playing was crazy good but not on grid. He wanted me to program drums for it. It was hard but in the end it souded sick and was a great excercize on how to program when the guitar timing is wierd. Great video
Hi Myk, There are 2 SWS actions, making that a little easier: " Move closest grid line to mouse cursor" and "Move closest tempo marker/grid line to mouse cursor". + 2 useful links here @all:
czcams.com/video/qn7JUh8icLg/video.html
czcams.com/video/C2Z5mjufb98/video.html
Indeed but what happened to being able to just Ctrl left click drag to move tempo mark, was much much easier and better?
Great video. Special with video (time grid). In Cubase I will use Auto Create Tempo map from (Kick) track. The tempotrack file can be imported in Reaper with script. I use the reaper click track to create a Subtitle track for Davinci Resolve for video edit on the beat with a Reaper script. For GrandMA Lighting control you can generate smpte time list with a special plugin.
You are a gift bro, seriously! 🙏
🎉keep on being awesome!
Something I've thought of but never done is to flatten a newly-warped grid to a steady tempo, record the overdubs, and then restore the warped grid causing all the new tracks to audio-warp and conform to the original performance.
I came to ask about this exactly. How do you do this? Tempo mapping is great, but what if we want to take an out of time performance and "flatten" as you say? Like an out of time pianist that you want to build a song around. But you want to build it TO a click. I imagine you tempo map, but then how do you flatten that to a standard grid?
You could use stretch markers or cut and slip edit, whichever best suits the performance. Tough to give a real good answer without hearing the source. I slip edit all the time with drums and guitars that were recorded to a click but slightly out of time, but I have not tried to straighten up a performance that was recorded "free form."
@@LetsTalkAboutReaper I think this is a question for the forum. Maybe a feature request for Reaper 8?
another great video tuition, thanks,
I kept thinking, "why doesn't he make the waveforms bigger so he can do it more visually?" and then BAM it happened at 16:46. :-) It's definitely a tedious process but probably made a world of difference for tracking.
Great stuff, thanks! But if you re record the drums, you'll still need to play to unexpected tempo shifts, no? Only this time there will be a click track of unexpected tempo shifts? Im just saying theres probably a bunch of drum editing to do either way. Really interesting to see the tempo mapping in action.
I see where you're going but at the very least, with a click, I have something for my ear to lock onto easier. As close as I was, in would be easier to slip edit, but I didn't track for the whole song, I just played a portion to test. So either way, I'mma end up re-tracking.
I second guessed myself a lot when tracking due to the lack of a defined click of some sort, as it's much easier to hear than the rendered song
I have a question that would save me... So I Tempo mapped a song... But I want to cut it in half and move a chunk of it to the back and insert something else in between.. how do I move the map envelopes with the media when I shift it to the right? Is there a way the tempo map envelopes can move with the Media?
Is there a way to keep the metronome sounds one uploads without having to upload them every-time a new project gets started?
One thing I tried in the past but didn't have all the knowledge to pull together let's just record myself tapping to the beat of the song and recording that and then using that as the transient detection, then adjust and fine tune from there
You made this look easy. Man I have trouble with recording my guitar parts cause my signatures might change and I don't know if. and it's like when I play to a click depending on the song it changes the way I play it and hear it. This is my biggest problem rn.
You don't always need that many points. Real people are not 100% tight. They are when it matters.
How did you change the spectral peaks to better see the transients?
Sorry for the delayed response.
Go to Options>Peaks Display Mode>Show Spectral Peaks
Thank you
Oh, the hours I have spent grid-warping, I cannot even count. Obviously AI will be doing this for us automatically in a couple of years.
It is very useful, but, there is a way to change the shape of the line between tempo changes? (I mean, slow down or speed up gradually between points). Thank you so much for your tutorials!! I like cofee too!! Daniel (from Argentina)
You know, I'm not really sure 🤔
I know that with tempo markers, you can set the option to allow gradual changes, so my assumption is that I may be able to right click the tempo marker in the grid and select that option, then adjust the point on the envelope.
I've not tested this theory, but it makes sense in my head. I'll try tomorrow and report back, if you haven't already got it sorted.
Thanks for watching!
There is a check box “Gradually transition tempo to next marker” at the sixth out of seven option items in the "Edit Tempo/Time Signature… " Dialog. BUT! I STILL cannot use it well. When I tried to use guradually option, I already tempo-mapped entire song tempo-mapped normally, in other words, not using “Gradually..” Option. Entire song! I think such a situation happens for everyone. Then I want to change some bars with the Gradually option ON. That operation broke the tempomap after that bar!!! I don’t know the proper way or workaround yet. However when I use that on such as the Chopin’s sheet from the beginning, I can use the Gralually option well just as I think.
The seventh or the last opetion in the “Edit Tempo/Time Sigunature” dialog, “Allow a partial measure before this marker” is the useful option but I can’t tame still.
The specific tempo map points which has this option “ON/checked” “IGNORE” the preceding tempo length definition. So you can move that time map point on the 3/4 in the preceding bar that time map definition is 4/4. This does not change the preceding tempo “definition” still 4/4 but changes real rendering to 3/4. Better explanation is welcome!
@@jasonk125 setting the shape linear! Thanks a lot, jasonk125!
You guys are all absolutely amazing, I love this community!
I'm sorry. I will record to a click from now on!!!! This was so tedious looking.
the important part is, it worked :)
@@jasonk125 isn't a tempo map just a series of tempo markers?
@@jasonk125 ah, i see
Yo Mike! Thanks for this one man I needed it. Hope you're doing well. One thing I've been curious about, but scared to try, is what happens if you switch your timebase back after you've aligned the grid to the audio? That's something I used to do in PT for drums (especially midi drums). I'd align the grid to the first down beat of each measure then switch my tracks to tick based and commit them from Bar/beat markers to tempo ruler markers. I then decide on places where I want tempo changes to occur (speeding up a bit on the choruses for example) and set those specific spots to what I want (EX: 110 vs 109.78) then delete all the extra tempo markers. The result is more regular and stable drums that aren't totally quantized and fluctuate throughout the song, but still feel tight and can be easily followed for overdubs. In PT it can create artifacts, but REAPER seems to be better about that. My current drummer dislikes playing to a click so this has become a more needed thang to have in my toolkit. Your video helped a lot so thanks again. Have a good one!
audio that is already in place should not move if you change timebase after editing, However, it will shift if you make time signature or tempo edits after the fact, if that makes sense. If things go wonky, you can always undo.
I also have automatic timestamped backups run every few minutes, and i tend to do "save project as" when i get to a new phase in editing or mixing (ex: song title - drum editing, song title - vocal tracking, etc) so my automatic backups also have the "phase" in the file name and i can easily go back in time.
You can also set the timebase on a per item basis. Lot's of options, sometimes too many ;)