Josh Pate On Alabama Overrated/Underrated Post-Saban? (Late Kick Cut)
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- čas přidán 29. 04. 2024
- Alabama has seen Nick Saban retire thus ushering in the Kalen DeBoer era in 2024 .On Late Kick Live Ep 508 Josh Pate responded to a viewer question about whether Alabama may be overrated in the first year or two post-Saban. Let us know what you think in the comments below and be sure to SUBSCRIBE to the channel and CLICK THE BELL for notifications as we bring you multiple live shows per week!
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People are going to be real sad if Alabama continues to have success
teehee....I love it!
I unfortunately think they will I think he has a change to be better than saban if he stays in college and does not try the nfl
Good, LANK. I love the hate because it means Bama is doing something right. Alabama isn’t going anywhere and MFs should be worried about it.
Jawjuns think they’ve taken over college football, lol. Weakest SEC schedule 3 straight years but that bs is over now. Baby Yoda will be on the chopping block soon. DeBoer has beat offenses way better than anything Jawja has produced. Watch and see. Bama’s dead they say. 😂😂😂😂😂😂
I’m here for it
I'm old enough to remember the state Bama football was left in after Coach Bryant retired. We didn't have the infrastructure we have now. We refused to try to move forward and instead tried to do each and every single thing as Coach Bryant would've done it. Except for the tenure of Coach Stallings, that didn't work.
Now we have a decade and a half worth of superb infrastructure. We hired someone with a completely different coaching style. An offensive mind in place of a defensive genius. How things will play out remains to be seen. However, we are in a much better position than we were at this time in 1983.
Andrew...Bama had 12 NC before he got there.
Stop it. You made all the Jawjun chick with pricks shutter in their man pants. Everybody knows 1 win over Bama in nearly 2 decades trumps all of that bs.
I love how everyone thinks Bama has only won because of Saban. He definitely cemented Bama as the all time top program, but Bama has been winning at a high level for over a century.
The bear shared 6 of his 7 NATTYs
Bama has had the bear and saban thats it ahahaha😂😂😂
Nothing but a damn door mat for you gumps
@@odasmith1215 Well, that's what they use to do. No, actually that's not it. We'll be sure to wipe our feet on the way in.
@@odasmith1215 Frank Thomas, Wallace Wade, Gene Stallings, all three would be the best coach ever for most P5 programs and are not even top 2 at Bama.
@@ckennedy309 yeah all you will have is remember when stories smh
@@odasmith1215 Well, we'll have a bunch of those won't we. And our favorite stories of all are always the ones that start with, Remember when them folks acted like we was done...we beat the sh! etc etc.... I don't expect instant success, but I do expect it.
I would never overrate their athletes but the coaches remain to be seen.
DeBoer, Roach, & Gillespie are proven elite coaches. The others show promise. Biggest one to watch is Wommack. How does the defense perform in the new scheme?
What, did you not see what Deboer did with Washington and less talent last year. You dogs are still scared. Bama with be Bama and you Pups better hang on to your ass.
Bama got the best available coach to take over. They will continue to kick ass.
They weren’t kicking ass with Saban, that’s why he left
@@martinstarling7951 They were kicking ass by most program standards. Saban had raised the standard sky high. They were still a powerhouse in his last years.
@@someguy6212and guess who he beat on his way out the door…the invincible UGA team that had won 300 strait games and was the best team ever seen…until they weren’t.
Do you genuinely believe there will be no dropoff? not even a small one? Saban was a fabulous coach, but he wasnt on the same level anymore as 2000s and 2010s Saban. But even so, he was up there every time. Deboer is a good coach. But to say he is on Sabans level would be a lie. Not 2020s Saban, but especially not 2010s Saban.
@@Rolltide3000 Yes exactly!!
Wait and see.
As high as people are on Lanning, he couldn't beat DeBoer in two tries last season. It is extremely difficult to beat a team with better athletes once, but DeBoer did it twice in the same season. We'll see how this plays out long term......
Washington had the better players . Oregon’s weak spot defensively was their secondary and Washington was a pass first offense so it was a terrible matchup for Oregon.
@@robertniddleman Everyone hypes up Lanning. What has he won so far?
@@someguy6212 Hey I found the guy JP always talks about lmao "what has he won?"
@@Nathan-ct9eh Haha yeah I've heard him say that and I generally agree. I know Lanning still has plenty of time to win. People do talk him up like he's the best coach in the game next to Kirby and I'm not so sure about that.
Lmao Oregon had worse athletes. The record, stats, and draft proves it.
The King 👑 is always the King 👑 until you dethrone him. I don't like Bama but it's still Bama.
Some coaches cannot be replaced, Saban is one of them. I think it would be unrealistic to expect the same level of success.
Is anyone expecting the "same level of success" or is this just a straw man argument?
I think it IS possible. DeBoer may not get there the same way that Nick did...but, hey, he has a great record of taking a lot less talent and making a great team.
And yet Jawjuns think Baby Yoda was the reason for Saban’s success, 😂😂😂😂 if it wasn’t for Saban and Bama, he’d be a D back coach at some bs college. Keep being and thinking Aubruuun like. That’s all you’ve ever been or ever be. 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
@@5Tweezy congratulations, this is the dumbest thing I’ve read this week.
Dumb is a Jawjun’s take on football. You’re fanbase has stolen the trophy from Opelika. Congrats.
Haters are the best wishful thinkers in the world.
Some are telling the truth.
Less haters and more that most people realize Saban is an absolute legend and no coach out there can come close to him. There will most certainly be a dropoff but Bama will still be elite.
@@ROUGHNECK75 Truth? Can they also see into the future?
@@MrBlarginFlarg Nobody with a brain thinks DeBoer is Saban nor should he be. Nobody is Saban, he is the greatest to ever walk the sideline.
We had Saban last year and when we lost to Texas you all prayed and hoped for our downfall. Nothing's changed! LANK
Can’t say that Bama is currently overrated or underrated. Those who expect no drop off, I believe are overrating them, while the wishful thinkers are severely underrating them. I believe Bama’s floor is 9-3 unless proven otherwise and this is most likely the year that happens while Deboer gets the kinks in his system worked out.
Gotta love the wording there "will Alabama *continue* to be overrated". As if Bama has ever been overrated lol... I don't know what Bama would have to be rated for what they've done the past 20 years to be not living up to the hype.
DeBoer took a team with half the talent to the Natty game last year.
Let's not act like the guy was a high school coach last year.
You seriously think that Dan Lanning team that lost twice to Debour should be ranked ahead of Bama?!
Only reason would be because Ryan Grubb left and Bama doesn’t have Pennix. That’s about it
Who’s in a better situation rtn than Alabama… Oregon
@@NeonKing16 By what metric?
@@CrashB111 we dont have a 1st year head coach at a school in a harder conference than his previous. We have the better roster rtn
@@NeonKing16 Having "the better roster" on paper didn't seem to matter the last few years of Lanning's tenure. Kalen DeBoer had the "worse" team and still took his lunch money.
@@NeonKing16 I'm an Oregon fan, but I can't imagine a metric where UO has the better roster than Alabama - except maybe experience.
I don't really care about Alabama, but am curious how Deboer will do. He can win immediately. And I'm sure Alabama still has a top 3 roster at least in terms of rating. The big question in my mind is the QB situation for his offense. Penix was an incredible passer who had incredible receivers and a great OL. I'm guessing UA has the latter 2, but not sure about QB.
Milroe had a better QBR than Penix & had better stats for his deep ball than Penix (deep ball the main route tree of the DeBoer offense).
I think DeBoer will utilize the QB better than Tommy Rees.
Milroe will continue to improve mark my words. He showed us this past season the amount of progression he made during the season. Just wait till this fall, in Jesus Christ name 🙏🏽
Ypu clearly don't know the history between DeBoer and Penix. Before DeBoer, Penix was a 3 star nobody, who wasn't even rated in the top 1000 coming out of HS. He played 3 seasons under DeBoer as either HC or OC, and 3 seasons without DeBoer. His 3 seasons with DeBoer, he completed 66% with 73 TDs. His 3 seasons without DeBoer he completed 56% with 19 TDs and 11 picks. DeBoer developed him from a 3 star, run-first QB into a 1st round pick
The most shocking thing about last year to me was how quickly things went from amazing to off balance.
Bama has the best all around best quarterback and running backs in football! They will surprise alot of people!
Puppy fans gonna be real but hurt when bama wins in week 4
"How long will they be overra......" they are already underrated. they spared no time in knocking them down in prediction win totals, odds to win conference and title etc. despite still having one of the most talented rosters in America and having a certified great head coach. dumb question
Kalen Deboer is 12-2 versus Ranked opponents in his career. All he has to do is take better athletes and improve as a coach and there won't be much of a drop off.
Die hard AL fan here. No one knows how good Bama will be. I doubt they will be bad but until they square off against GA we just won't know
Debor only beat Texas and Oregon twice last year. That was only his second year. He did have great QB and great receivers so I don’t expect as much this year but still solid. Go ahead and rank Oregon that lost twice to UW and got obliterated by UGA ahead of Bama… bunch of quacks !
That was 2 seasons ago after a coaching turnover with the brand new HC facing his old program in a cross country road trip first game. I wouldn't favor UO over UG, but I imagine a game in 2023 or 2024 would have looked quite a bit different.
@@jimsomerville3924That was unfortunate for Dan. Having to travel to UGA in his first year right after he built a championship defense at GA.
Right 😅
can you do a ranking of the top programs from the 4 team playoffs era. now that it's officially over.
and the rank the individual championships of each year. I'm split between 2019 lsu and 2021 Georgia. both teams curb stomped everyone. 15 picks in the draft is insane. 🤷
2021 Georgia got absolutely smoked by Alabama in Atlanta my guy.
@CrashB111 excuse me 2022. both great teams, though.
Was going to say they lost to Alabama in the SECCG to come back to smoke them in the natty . 33-18
@@dairyair5371 if you needed a second chance against a team and could only beat them when their top two receivers, two starting corners, and most of their running backs were hurt, you didn't smoke anything lol
Even a casual understands that you have to play the games before you rate the team/coach. I can’t wait for talking season to end and football to begin.
Alabama to make the playoffs +125 is a lock
Can't wait to watch the Bama haters cry...
Top 10 next season.
Top 5 season after.
Mark my words. ROLL TIDE!
Me thinks… the (Deeply) Primary questions about DeBoer (in comparison to Saban & his Extraordinary Success) are these 5:
A. Can & Will he Consistently bring in Top-3 Recruiting Class Talent (Via all 4 CFB Recruiting Sites) as the New GOAT Saban accomplished every (Damn 😁) Year?
B. How is DeBoers Evaluation of Talent, compared to Sabans (IE: What type of Players does he look for/primarily acquire in Building UP a “Championship Caliber” Team???… What is his ‘Player Choice Formula’, or Recipe?)
C. Saban had a Success package that he called “The Process”. Will he pursue it (Study it, learn it) & implement that concept into His Program?… try his Very Best to keep it intact?
D. Saban was an Old School NFL Defensive (Super) Master, & grew to become a Genius at neutralizing offenses (Who Also had Greatly Strong NFL Ties & Knowledge, that was Great in getting his Players Drafted). What’s DeBoers NFL Resume & Specialty?
E. Lastly: Can he & his Staff Develop the Players (NFL Ready) as Saban and HIS (Chosen coaches) Coaching Staff well did? Due to Sabans long NFL tenure, he knew First Hand/Key knowledge of what NFL Scouts (as He once was) & Combines are Looking for… etc. Furthermore, Saban was consistently Great at Replacing Coaches that left the program… had a very good idea on who he wanted to be his assistants.
- Obviously, DeBoer has MASSIVE Shoes to Fill, in coming behind a Great Coach as Saban was.
And 😁 “NO!… I’m not Saban” 😁…
If anyone is overrated it’s Dan lanning. In all the big games he’s played he hasn’t won a single one. Stellar recruiter good hype guy and maybe he hasn’t had a long enough time but hasn’t won a big one yet and now he has to play the better teams out of the pac 12 and Ohio state. Who has about 10M invested to just beat Michigan hahahah
Meh, Screw the haters. Bama has already shown the world how much they can win. Bama is too much of an amazing brand to care. True slice of American pie. 🥧🥧🥧🎸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Poor Andrew! Wishful thinking that Bama is going away
Alabama better watch out for Wisconsin they may be a handful when they play before Georgia
Alabama has a bye in between Wisconsin and Jawjuh.......I very much doubt anyone will be overlooking a team they play right before a bye week
*BECAUSE OF* the Saban effect...or *AS A RESULT OF...*
We have alot to prove so ppl bet of refs and crap now Nil changed the game ROLL tide
Saban set lsu up for 5 yrs after he left. Bama will be ok
@@davebryant8050 I disagree. He loves Bama and wants them to remain a power. His late decision was due to how hard the decision was, hard for him to leave. Alabama got the best coach out there to replace him. What coach would've been better?
@@davebryant8050 You are a fool, Kalen DeBoer was Alabama’s first choice to replace Saban.
and Nick Saban made 5% of the impact on LSU as he did Alabama
@@user-zy7cl9mg9g He would've done the same at LSU if he were there longer.
@@user-zy7cl9mg9g no sir he left Less Miles stacked
I'm wondering where all of those potent transfer portal players turned up who were supposedly waiting in the wings (behind the scenes) to come to Alabama, according to Josh Pate??? Saw nothing of that magnitude anywhere. Another waste of time resource.
Bama has the #5 transfer portal haul in the country dum dum
@@michaelbaker8633 I guess you missed the context (dates, etc.) of my statements... not the end results, dummer dummer.
Bama will be just fine under Deboer. I know that's not what yall wanna here but just watch.
Alabama isn't overrated, but Kalen DeBoer certainly is. All the "lists" I've seen have him as a top 3 coach in the country. This is absurd. After Ed Orgeron won the NC with the best team in the history of college football, no one had him as a top 3 head coach - and they shouldn't have.
DeBoer has won everywhere he's coached. I think he is elite.
@@davebryant8050 Shula🤣 you wish.
He can't be overrated yet because he has yet to coach a single game at UA. There's nothing but speculation to go on until we play the games
@@davebryant8050Oregon isn't a real team? Or Texas? What are you talking about?
@@Mavyn316 ESPN has him as the #2 coach for 2024. Do you think they would have him at #2 if he was still at Washington?
Alabama will win 8+ games this season
8 is a pretty low bar
RollTide win it all
LSU is on the rise
Thanks for the level set Josh. We Love flying under the radar. The real story is going to be what happens when UGA comes to Tuscaloosa and loses…..again.
Only a Bama fan could think that after losing the greatest coach of all time they will be the same. Even a minor drop off will result in more 50/50 games and thus more losses in a given year. The games against Tennessee, Ole Miss, Georgia, Texas, LSU, and Auburn will be much closer. Games against the rest of the SEC are no longer near-guaranteed W’s. That will lead to more losses on average.
Bama will have a much better offense because the boring 10 play offense is gone. Teams won't be able to put 7 guys in the box and stuff the run in the backfield. Defense will be better, no more playing an overly complex scheme with 8 guys dropping into pass coverage and letting the QB run for first downs on third and 15. The blitz is back baby. Under Saban, he put in the guys that understood the defense, not the best athletes. Josh Jobe, anyone?
Saban recruited great but when half those recruits never made it on the field what good did it do? His last 10 years, Bama made the playoffs 8 times and lost 5 times. They had to win in 2015 on the last play of the game. In 2017, Saban had to abandon the game plan (40 total yards of offense in the first half) and put in Tua to win in OT. He blew a sure win in 2016 by not letting Kiffin coach the NCG and in 2021 blew an easy win by failing to give young receivers meaningful playing time during the season. If Saban was the goat then Bama would have won 10 National Championships not 6. His last 5 years, 4 two loss seasons and missed the playoffs twice. At Saban's first press conference, he said Bama would be the type of team that opponents hated to play because they knew Bama would dominate the physical game. Do you really think anyone feared Bama in the last 5 years?
This is the most cope post I’ve ever seen
Alabama was really good before Nick Saban (has this fool Andrew never heard of Gene Stallings, Bear Bryant, Frank Thomas or Wallace Wade?) and they'll continue to be really good after Nick Saban. Will they ever be "win six titles in 15 years" good again? Probably not, simply because there are so many teams that now will have a legitimate shot each year to win a title. When there are 10 teams that can win it all and they all make the newly expanded CFP, even if Alabama is one of those teams every year they should win an average of one title every 10 years.
Really good before saban not exactly we had a few good years obviously bear Bryant dynasty and gene stallings teams but the 2000s for the most part weren’t great I’m only 25 and even I know that
@@Toast2222Bryant dominated the SEC and the nation for 3 decades. Alabama has always been cracked
Saban Brought Bama back from the gutters
@@davebryant8050 Every program has a few down years somewhere.
@@Toast2222 Even the greatest programs have down times. Look at Oklahoma between Switzer and Stoops.
God dang Georgia is sooo overrated tcu and injured bama team blowing out weak cupcakes in the east every year they are so beatable I got Bama winning by 2 possessions in Tuscaloosa this year I promise you we hate UGA over here in Tuscaloosa it will be a very loud stadium
Wade, Thomas, Bryant, Stallings, and Saban all have national titles. Show me a school who compares.
Alabama always overrated till they team gets beat
deboer IS NOT the solution, but he is the best case in a bad situation of no truly relevant coaches being available for hire.
THIS JUST IN: Making the National Title game in your sport doesn’t mean you’re relevant!
The only coach Bama fans thought was worthy is in Athens. Having been to both places, well Athens is the easy choice.
Tell me in what way is this a bad situation??? Your wishfully thinking here.
We'll see who's overrated when the scoreboard is up your ass, haters. The question is going to end up being how do idiots cope when Bama remains excellent.
Jim Harbaugh runs Saban out of town.
Jim Harbaugh runs to LA to avoid the humiliation Michigan is about to deal with.
Yes they’re over rated. The mighty tide has turned. This clown will be fired in year three
Tennessee fans would get on their knees for DeBoer if it meant switching rosters with Alabama
You are so naive....And a HATER
@@davebryant8050 Total logic used: 0
@@davebryant8050 😂
Very. They're going to go 8-4 and get thrashed by Tennessee.
Hey Jawjuns, come back in 100 years. Maybe the gap will be closed in SEC Titles. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Baby Yoda is Saban-esque!
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Absolute shit show of a program. Prove us wrong! No balls!