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I was under the impression that Armament Haki was always invisible but was shaded black so that we, the readers, could detect when it was in use. Not sure who or where I learned this from but I subscribed to that idea.
I thought of it like this too, but swords imbued with haki turn black. I'm unsure now, but I still want to believe that armament haki being black coating is just visual flair.
It’s obviously that and people are just coming up with explanations to try and justify it in universes
You’re not wrong, Haki is invisible in the verse. No one can see it, and oda didn’t color it in until after the time skip when luffy and the others could actively use it themselves, so that the audience could keep up.
@@minjufan1034haki turning blades black is not confirmed and also likely isn’t the case to begin with, since haki can’t be seen. If turning a blade black only took haki, and seemingly a lot of it, Napoleon would have been a black blade. Whiteboards weapon would have been black, fujitoras as well, or even Roger’s. The list goes on.
I’m almost positive that’s a BDA Law thing. He prob said it in one of his halo videos. Or maybe KOL
The nun joke was so underrated it flew beneath the radar
it was actually brilliant
Fr, I'm still laughing about it
Had to rewind to double check I'd heard that right XD
Came here to say this lol
no it did not. if it did, you wouldnt be talking about it.
I like to think the reason we couldn't see Armament Haki pre-timeskip is because none of our PoV characters (Mainly Luffy) had Observation Haki, which can be headcanoned to be needed to visually see Haki.
I think that is it.
While that does make sense, there was never any mention of it pts. If CP9 had it they wouldn’t rely solely on iron body. We’ve also never seen a scene pts like we did with Vergo/Pica stating what it was
does that mean they could visably see chakra in naruto with observation haki?
@@6JoyBoy9 Dojutsu (Whichevergan) users can.
When haki is explained it’s said most people have one or the other and very few can use both so I don’t think so
Luffy has shown us that you don't need haki to beat a haki user. Armament haki is an invisible armor, and like any armor it will break if enough kinetic energy is applied. Also, I think Law's awakened ability broke through Big Mom's defenses simply because it was strong enough to do so. Unlike his normal powers.
I guess it’s like concentrating his powers into a single point as opposed to an area
@@alhakeem5768 Depends how good they are with their devil fruit and how strong/weak the armament user is
@@alhakeem5768luffy can't beat any haki user without haki that's why pre time skip luffy was fodder. Sentomaru beat him!
@@alhakeem5768 Its not like haki is an invincible shield, it only amps up the user to a certain extent, it doesn't make them invincible to all non haki users like a logia does. It just makes them more durable/powerful.
Kid did the same against Big Mom, the dude throw a fucking metal bull at her without haki and almost crushed her to death
One thing I wished you had mentioned was doctor hiroluk's description of what a pirate is to chopper. The whole eyes of an eagle, body like stone, voice that tears the sky thing. Either amazing foreshadowing or another example of how Oda takes existing ideas and makes the new info fit into a cohesive whole.
Or?
That has to be foreshadowing
It’s far too close to how Haki works to just be a coincidence
@kruegerpoolthe13th maybe. Depends on how much you think Oda plans stuff out. I fall into the camp that he is the best there is at taking his existing ideas and forming a cohesive narrative even as he improvises. Take the famous example of his improvising the supernovae like a week before the chapter. Bonney didn't exist when he introduced Kuma at thriller bark but with the new back story, everything Kuma said and did works with the story with Bonney as we know it now. I think he did the same thing with Haki. Had the idea and made it work within the story.
@@Crsnod65 true
Both are possible
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I would say Bonney didn't exist as a Supernova, I think Kuma having a child and his backstory was planned though, too much of is it is important to not be. Same with Law, I imagine Doffy and Rosiante's backstory was the same and that Law might have just been a Dressrosa citizen or such but Oda changed it to fit the Supernova's.
Essentially having those plot points there, wanting those emotional beats but then he created the Supernova's and went "Ah, this could be the Dressrosa person and she could be the Kuma daughter! That works wonderfully well!"
As a lot of writers do this, they have ideas and story points and then later fit characters around them even if those characters were never intentionally meant to be there at the point of the origin of the idea.
I kinda figured haki only became colored in when we, the readers, became aware of it through Luffy. Also kinda figured the 6 powers were just low level haki abilities. Physical enhancements using very basic haki control
Iron body and the finger move are totally armament haki. The paper art stuff is just keeping your body loose while using observation haki. The other moves (speed, running on air, and whatever the last move was) is just advanced speed or strength martial arts techniques
I actually thought, Haki was mentioned as early as Skypia, when Shanks met with Shirohige and all the mantra was happening.
On the note, that we couldn't see haki, only post time skip, it's because we are seeing the world thru luffy's eyes, and with no observation haki, he couldn't tell.
To support that theory, the 3 admirals deflected Shirohige wave attack using only hands and a gesture 🙌, this makes a lot of sense if their hands were covered with haki but it was invisible to us, in retrospective.
Indirect it was mentioned a lot
But the first time it was properly foreshadowed was in alabasta
When luffy fought crocodile underground he hit him but he had no water
Crocodile said:this cant be.. is that...
Luffy cut him off that blood is also liquid
So he punche him with blood but crocodile thought that he might already have haki
I do like this idea tho i do think its a bit of a stretch to call luffy (or any straw hat) our pov character since we see many different scenes that are outside the perception of any character (we are not literally seeing the story through a persons eyes) so it technically doesnt matter who knows about haki or not the story isnt reliant on one persons knowledge, i think oda just kept his cards to his chest and said damn the retcons
@@idontknowyou2222 You are misrembering, he never said it like that. He was just talking about his weakness to water/blood. The concept of armorment haki didnt exist back then
Devil fruits just fit the vibe of the story so much more, I love it when the series tries to stick to the pirate elements. The idea of these exotic tropical fruit evokes the image of an untamed world (Grand Line) like the Caribbean or Indian Ocean in the time of pirates, with sailors and explorers finding cool new fruits that are unexplainable. Haki is just magic or Chi which is far more prevalent in Asian cultures, which makes it far more common in most animes.
You are correct about haki is just like chi. As an asian I can confirm you are absolutely corect.
I'll bet you that Haki is more than we think of now. I have a feeling that its Willpower Manifestation and is one of the reasons why devil fruits exist in the first place. A haki user is literally using his/her's Willpower as a weapon. Acoc
[ Advance Conquerors Haki] basically confirms it. We literally see haki negate every supernatural force. It can affect other things as well, such as objects, intangible things, and even spiritual beings.
Now look at this:
Zoro desired to cut steel, and guess what happened later........
He even negated attacks that passed right through him and cut what was behind him in his fight with Mr 1. Which should have killed him.
Zoro's slash attack literally transforms an opponents attack into mist[ Kaku]with his Ashura. And Zoro's attack didn't even make the debri move but he negated an attack that cut the giant building like butter.
Zoro can even use sword attacks....without the need of a freaking Sword. He literally used Usopp as a sword and actually made a sword attack come out.
His sword attacks which are made from haki, literally bypasses Gravity to hit an opponent
Gets enveloped in fire and uses it to attack, later on he isn’t even burned against Mr. 5
The fact that he can negate energy attacks and even cancel them out is crazy
That's just some things I found haki does with Zoro.
I also think Joyboy and Imu are gonna display the best haki feats we've ever seen. If we ever get a backstory on them or Imu possible is a Haki master as well. He had the ambition to become king of the world and managed to do it. I also think the reason why Imu doesn't leave the castle is because of the same disease Ginny caught.
It became chakra, but it was more mystical before everything slid towards power levels.
@@nathanlevesque7812 chakra, chi, haki, nen all are aura. Energy that inside our body. But there are different layer of aura. So you are correct that it is like chakra because it is aura. Just the way of using it is different.
@@eonragnarock2366 Yeah thats all fine and dandy but what has that got to do with Pirates?
I figured that the lack of haki before timeskip was because our viewpoint characters weren't trained in its use. You can only see the black coating when you have haki of your own.
Also, I've long thought that Crocodile and Moria literally got the haki beaten out of them - they lost their ambition, after all. They settled for lesser seas and got lazy and soft. So they can't coat stuff or see into the future anymore. Could be even Buggy had haki back in the day and just decided not to put in the effort anymore and so lost it. As for the CP9, they're perfectly sufficiently trained to function on five out of six seas of the world, which, when you take the protagonist-centered goggles off, is almost entirely all of it. Haki only really shows up in the crazy-ass New World. And for that you have CP0.
Maybe CP9 agents get promoted if they ever manage to pick up haki.
Fully agree. I could also see CP9 having some form of haki (armament=tekkai, observation=the evasion thing) but it is not fully developed yet.
Same with Zoro when he cuts Mr. One. He can manifest small parts of haki (to beat Mr. One) but has‘t developed the technique sufficiently enough to do it in regular fights / on command (he didn‘t have to since Mr. One fight, maybe Enies Lobby but there he showed Asura which could be a development).
Haki is also not required IMO in the Now World to beat other haki users (e.g. Frankie and Robin fights with Tobi Roppo). It would make it easier but you can beat them, just have to improve your other skills. This could also be a reason for example that Kaido (seemingly) hasn‘t awaken his devil fruit. He relied more on haki (he mentions that) so he didn‘t have to evolve his devil fruit abilities. One could argue that Robin (and Luffy to some degree) chose the other path. Totally valid reason IMO.
you can't see coating at all, it's just for readers/watchers
@@Seppjos " (he didn‘t have to since Mr. One fight, maybe Enies Lobby but there he showed Asura which could be a development)." : Skypia vs Enel.
That is incorrect, it's just the fact that Oda didn't plan haki much better. Remember One Piece was supposed to be a 5 year story.
@@Seppjos Tekkai is not a form of haki, nor kami-e.
I see it as there being a difference between "having haki" and "using haki" or "using haki well"
You can have strong muscles, but techniques that utilize that strength is a different thing, and advanced techniques can be learned by people that are not very strong to boost their capabilities even with low strength.
It's easy to assume that anyone could use magic in fantasy even tough not everyone IRL even have the same skill sets, not everyone could become masters of playing tennis or such 🙃
To be fair, CP9 could have been using a primitive version of armament haki. Remember Jabra specifically says he is the only one capable of moving while using the tekai technique. This could have been the next step to armament haki and CP0 could only accept those that have made the jump. Expectation is that at that stage nobody should be able to beat Lucci, not that he would never lose to anyone.
I think that nobody is able to beat lucci is because most of the people in "Paradise" (first part of grandline) don't use haki while lucci has haki. Non haki users are generally weaker than haki users but that is not always the case.
jabra could move with tekai cuz he had scooter shoes
atleast thats what i remember not sure tho lmao
Honestly i think one of the most interesting aspects of haki is the way that it interacts with devil fruits. Like upon introduction one of its main benefits was providing a way to damage logia users. Now that we know that it can also act as an automated defense against paramecia abilities (specifically the ones that don’t do material generation or body manipulation), it calls into question a lot of devil fruit user’s capabilities when fighting at higher and higher levels.
The one Reason for Laws powers working on Big mom later is that the silence-room doesn't affect Big Mom directly, but the Air around her to nullify sound. Only the Powers directly affecting you can be blocked by Haki, not Areas of Effect.
Law used several techniques against big mom that affected her physical body. I think just for the sake of keep the fights interesting, any move that could instantly defeat her is blocked by haki but any move that just does a little bit of damage still works. That's how law has always worked otherwise why not just instantly cut all opponents to bits? He seemingly can only do that when he is significantly stronger than his opponent in terms of haki.
the problem i have with that is not with haki effecting her more like why cant the homies do shit when she is silenced they are part of her soul
Zoro got lost on the difficult tree
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@@maxschnell3658 I believe they are seperate entities from her soul. Yes they are made from pieces of Big Mom's Soul, but like with the case of Zeus, he still exists after Big Mom was defeated likely due to the fact that he possesses a separate piece of soul from Big Mom. The same logic applies to all the other homies, they are essentially all separate living beings from Big Mom that act freely from her own soul so they wouldn't have some sort of connection allowing them to hear her when she got silenced.
Cant expect Oda to have a story of this magnitude figured out 100% from the start. This series has been going for longer than half its fans have been alive...
Me and one piece are basically twins
But some One Piece fan boys think that Oda has it all figured out in the very first episode. What a bunch of dmbasses
@@theonepieceguy9081one piece is 1 year older than me lol
@@bm7502only vague ideas are possible, No human can possible plan something that much in detail, even if you do, you might have a change of mind and think no that was better, people can have change of mind even in a year, that's why divorces happen lol
@@kiraamv5507yea
Tô be honest, I would prefer if Haki was saved to very few characters. The reason why people say that Haki is a post time skip thing is mostly because now everyone seems to have it, and if you don't, you lose. While pre time skip, fight seemed more creative, since strength alone wasn't the only deciding factor
True, bit sad that we won't see another Perona fight, since Luffy will just outhaki her
Well yeah, not many people have it, but everyone who does is gonna be in the New World
Post time skip they also r fighting harder opponenets
Everyone has it because they're in the most dangerous part of the sea, you don't get there without haki. And that said, from the crew only Luffy, Zoro, Sanji, Jimbe and Robin have Haki (with one moment so far of Usopp also using it) and only Luffy has the the three colours of Haki.
@@RockoEstalon Zoro can also use all 3?
Strong haki negating devil fruit powers is my breaking point for me
figuring out a fruits weakness and countering it was peak. just spending alot of haki to undo it is so lame
Garp and kuzan punching battleships without haki was so refreshing.
I think the limit to haki should have been what we saw up to the begging of time skip.
Kaido did say that Haki is the ultimate power where people like Roger, Garp, Rayleigh and Oden beat strong Devil Fruit users with Haki.
Oden beat a weaker Kaido who was most likely just above Yc1 lvl, who wasnt even in his prime. He was less experienced, had less mastery in haki, had weaker stats as well as less variations of his Zoan fruit. He wasnt even using his hybrid form which is his strongest form (Full dragon is definetly the weakest) oh, and not to mention that he wasnt utilising ACOC. But oden beating Kaido is still very impressive, which scales him above Yc1 definetly.
Random goofy ah powerscaling comment cuz...why not?
@@Jestiiiyou just gotta love the way oda power scale :|
@@Jestiiifull dragon form being the weakest is wild
@@YonkoAgenda It kinda is true tho. It's speed and agility are pretty bad, not to mention it's humongous size make it such an easy target for Swordsmen as well as brawlers. I'd argue Base form with Haki is much stronger.
@@Jestiii true, I wonder what it would have looked like if kaido was awakened
The thing about haki is that people think of it as a power level (or 3 different ladders of power), when it's actually an intangible thing that can be used to develop techniques. Now, those techniques have power level, but being good in one does not mean you are good in all.
Like, some characters have stronger "hardening" technique, but others may know how to harden their whole bodies, and others learn how to make it flow as a shockwave into an opponents' body. Look at what Don Sai could do back in Dressrosa with his shackwave techniques. Luffy only learned something similar in Wano, but no one would think Sai was stronger than Luffy.
So, when people think X character has "stronger observation" than Y character, it's not always the case. X may know a technique that Y doesn't, like future sight, but Y still can know their own techniques.
What the strongest characters have is not stronger haki, but more techniques of how to use it. Still, some opponents may still show up with new techniques we never known before.
In short: haki is composed of 3 "skill trees", with each skill having its level. Not a power level for each type of haki.
As for Haki depiction over the series: I think Oda had an idea of an invisible ki-like power since the beginning. However, he only established the details way later. And then only started defining visual effects as information even later. And then still hasn't decided how to portray advanced conqueror haki consistently.
However, haki was present since the beginning, we just weren't informed of it. Beyond Shanks using it in Chapter 1, you have as far back as Baratie with Krieg saying Mihawk has some sort of power (which he thinks is a Devil Fruit) and considering there's a way to fight Devil Fruit powers (which is why he wants Zeff's journal).
Then there's Zoro in Alabasta (when he uses both Observation and Armament, thought Oda may have not have defined the specifics then), Mantra in Sky Piea, Lucci's Rokuogan technique that produces a shockwave, characters calling haki by name in the Whitebeard/Shanks meeting, and finally the system starts to be better shown in Sabaody/Amazon Lily/Marineford and is explained by Rayleigh just before the timeskip.
Also, I think it's a misconception that you need haki to beat a haki user. No, Luffy beat two haki users in Amazon Lily without knowing haki. Haki, like I said before, it's a bunch of techniques that enhance your fighting style. Having haki makes you stronger and faster, but if someone trains to be physically stronger and faster, they can still overpower a haki user. The thing about the New World is that the opponents aren't just haki users, they are also monsters in physical strength.
Besides, other power sources like technology and special lineages can give someone an edge similar to haki.
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@@tiagomoreira8905if I may add another observable haki feat; luffy vs Mr. 3 on little garden when Mr. 3 made a bunch of wax statues of himself and called Luffy a simple minded idiot that only relies on his instincts that’ll never beat a “man with his superior intellect”, only for Luffy to find the real one in one shot and when asked how he did it Luffy responds, “my instincts!”
This is a good way to put it. Each person can unlock the tree for, say, observation, but their skills with observation depend a lot on who they are. There's some general skills that are shared (like being able to sense people around them and incoming attacks) but their own skillsets and understanding of the world and their powers will dictate what abilities they get from it (a sniper being able to be super accurate, a tank being able to anticipate attacks to defend, a speedster being able to dodge attacks better, etc).
It's different for each person. An assassin with Observation will use the power differently to a mother who has it (though in both cases, feel bad for the spiders in their lives).
bro lol, it seems that Haki is more of a set of skills that can be developed and improved upon, rather than a straightforward power level. There are three main types of Haki: Armament Haki, Observation Haki, and Conqueror's Haki. Each of these types of Haki has different abilities and can be used in a variety of ways.
Armament Haki allows the user to harden their body or objects, making them more resistant to damage and more powerful in attacks. Observation Haki allows the user to sense the presence and movements of others, as well as to predict their actions to a certain degree. Conqueror's Haki is the rarest and most powerful type of Haki, and it allows the user to dominate the wills of others, knocking them unconscious or even killing them.
While there are some characters who are generally considered to have stronger Haki than others, there is no one definitive way to measure Haki strength. Ultimately, it comes down to how well a character can use their Haki abilities and develop their own unique techniques.
This makes Haki a much more nuanced and interesting system than simply a matter of power levels. It also allows for a wider range of abilities and strategies in combat, making fights more exciting and unpredictable.
I always thought Haki was invisible from the get-go, and we only see the visual effects as a representation of it, so we, as the audience, know someone is using it. Like Crocodile was using Haki, it was just not shown that he was.
Also it's crazy to think that the 1st opponent Luffy faces with Haki like powers is Kuro (Who looks like he uses one of the Six Powers)
We also never see haki be shown as black until luffy gets ovservation haki, its probably a visual representation of luffy observing armament with observation haki
Yeah, no character in the anime ever mentions being able to see any part of haki unless they have observation haki and the blackening of limbs and clothes is never once mentioned by anyone, only black blades which is also confirmed to be different then just infusing it with haki.
What I found most confusing about haki was how it compared to the 6 powers. I thought the 6 powers were a form of haki but weren't animated the same way because the characters couldn't tell what was happening. Especially iron body. When I learned that people still used finger pistol without any armament haki appearing, it stopped making sense to me.
Just because finger pistol was used without armament haki, then haki stopped making sense for you?
The 6 powers are not a form of Haki. Instead it is just the physical strengthening of the body like Shaolin Monks or smthn.
I agree that the 6 powers 100% are haki and I think that single pistol is definitely using armament haki. The only thing is that post time skip we never see somebody's finger just shilling there being finger pistol'y, its always so fast we dont even see the finger or immediately inside of someone. So I dont thing their is any contradiction.
If I remember correctly Oda said 6powers are a different power system and not haki.
Haki was first invented as mantra to spice things and make the clerics and god of skypia a challenging obstacle. later it was changed to Haki and many unexplained pre powers been collected to this system.
@@pinkdifferent5533 it was NOT changed to Haki. It was explained it is Haki.
I feel like Haki is mostly meant to serve as a counter to overpowered Devil Fruits.
Because without Haki there’s like, nothing stopping from someone like Sugar walking up to Kaido, booping him on the nose and erasing all memory of him from the face of the planet
Good point. I had another idea but it might be a bit of a stretch: that with strong enough Observation Haki, one could learn the intent of someone like Sugar and then evade or counter attack however they see fit. Mostly just food for thought though since we already have an established system for how Haki beats Devil Fruits.
@@Entei9000 Sometimes since Ceaser was able to "defeat" Katakuri using hallucination gas even thought he have Observation Haki to see the future
So a remedy for bad writing and a underdeveloped power system
@@davigabriel783 now that you mention it, having recently rewatched the Punk Hazard ark, Caesar actually put up a surprisingly good fight Luffy and actually had him on the ropes a few times, despite not having Haki himself. I guess it still depends on the power and the level of Haki of the user to some extent
Idk that I'd call it bad or underdeveloped, but rather that there were some unfortunate oversights. Namely with Logias
Didn't Luffy use Haki against the waterbull that the Sanji lookalike was riding? That happened just before Sabaody arc and the crew make a big point of how strange the event was. Luffy looked angrily at the creature and it fainted. Just like Shanks made some of WB crew faint when he got on board.
Yea it probably was innate use of conquerors like how Zoro innately used it on bounty hunters in Sabody
It is considered part of the sabaody arc. Pretty much the start of the arc where they are not on the island yet.
yes but, it appears that Luffy did use Haki against the Waterbull that the Sanji lookalike was riding. This occurred just before the Sabaody Archipelago arc, and the crew made a significant point of how strange the occurrence was. Luffy looked angrily at the creature, and it passed out. This is similar to how Shanks made some of WB crew faint when he got on board.
Haki is a powerful ability that allows its user to exert their will over the world around them. In this case, it seems that Luffy was able to use his Haki to intimidate the Waterbull into fainting. This is a testament to Luffy's growing strength and mastery of Haki, and it is also a foreshadowing of the important role that Haki will play in the future of the series.
The fact that Luffy was able to use Haki without even realizing it suggests that he has a latent talent for the ability. This is further supported by the fact that Luffy was able to learn to use Haki relatively quickly once he was taught about it. It is clear that Luffy has the potential to become one of the most powerful Haki users in the world.
The use of Haki against the Waterbull is also a significant moment for the story as a whole. It is the first time that Haki is used in a non-combat situation, and it shows that the ability can have a wide range of applications. This suggests that Haki will continue to play an important role in the story, and that we can expect to see even more creative and surprising uses of the ability in the future.
@@SOLDAT_MENDES bro used chatgpt
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One of my main issues with haki as it is in the OP verse is how random it seems who has managed to be able to access it is. Like some characters are shown to have been training in various types of fighting or doing actual battle for years without ever being able to access it while others just randomly seem to have a lot of mastery over it.
A lot of characters that are regularly involved in battle also seem to just have no interest in trying to learn to use it despite how much of a power boost it gives for some reason.
Not unlike nen in HxH
Exactly, Rob Lucci, the most powerful member of a secret military force can't use Haki, but Oden's retainers, some fuckin kids he met that liked him, can ALL use Haki.
I always thought Lucci's Rokuogan technique was haki-infused, as it bypassed Luffy's devil fruit. It would make sense as Lucci was probably the most likely of CP9 to develop haki naturally.
Personally I think it is just strait up Haki, but like he said in the video, the power of haki is mostly from willpower. Rokuogan is a form of haki that the government invented to teach to people like Lucci who just blindly follow the governments orders how to use it while not teaching them about personal freedoms that make people like Garp a problem.
I love the English translation though.
“Ambition” just fits so well mentally, especially with “Conqueror’s Ambition” or “King’s Ambition”
Haki makes sense to me. It is one's will imposed upon reality. It allows a person to strengthen themselves in various ways, from someone's body's and tools to one's senses and presence.
It is fueled by one's ambitions and willpower, it is strongest when the characters using it are confident and when they really want something to happen. That is at the start and end of a fight. It is one's willpower transformed into something physical. It is an emotional force that affects reality, really Shounen-like.
You can argue that Crocodile and Gecko Moriah couldn't muster their Haki because their willpower was crippled by their defeats at the hands of Whitebeard and Kaidou.
It is a power that strengthens with strong belief in yourself and overall delusions that you can do anything. They had their wills broken, their dreams shattered by the New World. Because of that, their Haki was crippled, they couldn't believe in themselves properly. It took Crocodile some time in the locker thinking how mr. crackhead got one over him and see him doing the impossible like three times to notice that.
That's how I see it.
Edit: 15:31 yeah, the silence bubble is a bit different from the teleport, don't you think? One affects an area around a person, the other affects the person directly, no?
no it doesn't stop it....lets just wait for Oda to explain what it REALLY does WHENEVER he's ready...
@@kcidd12 excuse me, but what doesn't stop what?
Thats a bit of an abstract definition. Obviously haki isn't just a do whatever you want ability according to your will it has some very strict limits. Its basically just making the users body harder and heavier via the standard anime internal energy. I do think its based on a characters confidence and will to an extent but its more than just that.
Yeah but considering that Rayleigh said "When you face a strong opponent it grows for you" shouldn't that be happening for the villains as well?I can take and accept that Katakuri was the last straw where Luffy truly met his matchup but come on , as good as the Kaido fight is , there's just too much plot armor for Luffy all over the place , he won by chance , it wasn't a fair fight for Kaido at all.Kaido is still top 5 , it's just Luffy's die hard toxic meat riders won't accept it.
Luffy got knocked out like 5 times and of course he will come back stronger because he is the main character.
Kaido gets knocked out once and then of course won't get any chance for a comeback.
Kaido also won't have an awakening.Oh yeah , of course.
I love Luffy , he's the Ash Ketchum equivalent of One Piece , but honestly his victory over Kaido wasn't earned at all.
No no no no don't get me wrong , when it comes to the Admirals , Oda chose the right path , young Luffy is Garp and Old Garp will be Old Luffy , Luffy takes so much from his grandpa , it can be shown through his attitude , his fighting style , everything and i accept that Luffy's tremendous Haki growth is the one thing that upscales him as a worthy opponent to any Admiral , since even by gear 4 , the Logias are just too powerful on their own , well mostly tye forces of nature fruits , not fruits like Caribou's or Monet's.But honestly , there's just something extremely off about the Kaido fight.
@@lorddarkrai5753 what does that have to do with Haki? This is all about the clashes themselves, this could happen in any other type of power system. Also, wasn't Kaido attacked by like 14 people along with Luffy during that battle? The fact he stayed tall after all that for an intensive battle with Luffy later just shows how legendary he is in combat.
He stayed there just like how whitebeard kept going until the very end (only that Whitebeard's situation was even crazier)
I think the black coating is more like a visual thing which also serves as a reminder that the characters now know how to use it. For example, pre timeskip, Blackbeard after a small clash with Luffy in Impel Down comments that "(Luffy's) haki has improved". So it was definitely a thing back then, but it wasn't visualized most probably in purpose.
For me Haki was always manifastation of willpower. So in my head-canon everyone can use haki in some way depending on their fortitude and willpower. I think that is what was shown with Ussop when he used observation Haki on Dressrosa. He focused his willpower because he wanted to save Luffy and in this moment he gained the ability to use what we perceive as observation Haki. But I would not say, that this power is just like a level up. It's gradual. Ussop was always super-human in his ability to focus on his target by just wanting to hit them.
So for me Crocodile and Moria for instance have some kind of Haki, but they haven't trained it to just use it when they want so in a fight against Luffy their willpower was not stronger than Luffys.
I find it's all a bit more sensible when you don't see Haki as discrete power level, but as a continium and at some point you see concrete evidence of their improved willpower.
I feel like it there's a strong enough attack from a non Haki user, it could still in theory be able to hurt a confirmed Haki user. Or at least that's the idea I got from Luffy fighting Hancock's sisters and I feel like it could help with cases like Robin and Franky's fights on Wano. Although while I see that it was necessary to fight Logias without their elemental weakness just conveniently lying around, I still have a couple issues with it. Namely that having a strong enough level of it just cancels out Devil Fruit powers all together, and the widely accepted idea that regardless of individual strength, a non Haki user can never defeat a confirmed Haki user. Although I do think it's funny that up until Wano, Conquerer's Haki was deemed useless by many, and now look how things turned out.
Radical beam is broken
I would suggest, that Luffy was already able to use haki to some degree against Crocodile. Even during the small crash against blackbeard, bleackbeard sad, that luffy's haki is already quite strong. Willpower overcomes everything was in a way already a topic during the first arcs with don creak and Zorro agains Mihawk (All of them talked about willpower all the time). During the end of fight 3 against luffy, crocodile was straight up suprised and afraid of the durability of luffy, which in a way broke his will. Haki is also about ambition and taking the hard route to win. So I don't think the system is broken. And since Oda also introduced devil fruites as embodyments of wishes and that the devilfruit chooses its owner, some devilfruits giving Godlike powers und others even represent Gods Protection and seem to spawn only inside certain countries. There is a lot of mysteries going around with devilfruits and the like. Its more like, that people with really strong ambitions and a lot of willpower are able to make miracles happen. At least that is my interpretaion.
Conquerors Haki was useless since it was just a tool for dispatching fotter and couldn't harm anyone you would actually struggle to beat. That's why oda had to give it more applications which in truth are just the same applications as regular armaments haki but stronger. With your other point, I think that non haki users can absolutely defeat haki users. Since a sufficiently strong physical strike can bypass the additional durability haki provides. Like if kaido without using haki slapped vergo when he fully coated in haki I'm pretty sure it would still fuck him up because vergo is insanely weak compared to kaido's raw natural strength.
Yeah we literally saw that on-screen dude. lol.
dude, It is certainly possible that a strong enough attack from a non-Haki user could hurt a confirmed Haki user. This is because Haki is not an invincible defense, and it can be overcome if the attacker is strong enough.
We have seen this happen in a few instances in the One Piece series. For example, Luffy was able to hurt Boa Hancock's sisters even though they were Haki users. This was because Luffy's attacks were infused with his Busoshoku Haki, which allowed him to bypass their Haki defenses.
Similarly, Robin and Franky were able to defeat some of Kaido's subordinates in Wano even though they did not use Haki. This was because Robin and Franky are both very strong fighters, and their attacks were able to overwhelm the weaker Haki defenses of their opponents.
However, it is important to note that these are exceptions to the rule. In general, Haki users are much stronger than non-Haki users, and they are very difficult to defeat without using Haki yourself.
This is why it was necessary for Luffy and the other Straw Hats to learn Haki in order to defeat the powerful enemies they encountered in Wano. Haki is simply too powerful to ignore, and it is essential for any aspiring pirate who wants to reach the top.
As for Conqueror's Haki, it was indeed underestimated by many for a long time. However, the events of the Wano Country arc have shown that it is a very powerful ability, and it can be used to defeat even the strongest opponents.
And, Haki is a very complex and powerful ability, and it is essential for any serious One Piece fan to understand its mechanics. It is a versatile tool that can be used in a variety of ways, and it is a key factor in many of the most exciting battles in the series.
I think haki, while a little more complicated than people think, is still easy to understand.
The biggest thing is that Devil Fruits and Haki coexist. When Law pierced Big Mom, I believed his awakened Devil Fruit power was stronger than her Haki, since Devil Fruit awakenings are known to change reality around the user.
I do agree that Conqueror’s Haki has overtaken Armament. I kind of wish Conqueror stayed as “If you’re weak enough, you’re instantly taken out of the fight.” It was a good way to show a person’s power as well as getting rid of the people who weren’t even worth fighting. A good way to easily get rid of the small fries.
Good video as always!!!
I understand where you’re coming from with conqueror’s but it was always going to end up like this. Because yes, if someone’s will is strong enough those with weak wills can’t even stand in the same room as them. But eventually, you would have to ask what if two people with strong wills clashed? It makes sense, they can clash without even touching because it’s a literal clash of wills.
What do you mean by overtake armament haki?
Yeah, so in short, it doesn't make sense
@@Lucky-km1nt Like what Grandline said. In the fight against Kaido, Luffy got stronger by using Conqueror’s haki instead of armament to cover his attacks, which dealt more damage than armament. Conqueror’s haki turned into a better armament at this point instead of a different ability.
I prefer it this way tbh, with how much conqueror's haki was hyped up during the series it would be kind of a let down if it could only be used to take out weak enemies
Wano having Ryou makes perfect sense. They are an isolated island that is not “under protection” by the marines. They have been isolated since the void century. It’s actually a brilliant detail that might not have been done on purpose.
I like your point, and I agree! But please, the video even explains (10:15) that it is 'RYUO' and not 'Ryou'... 😂🥲
Haki is represented by the following squiggles is so disrespectful and made me laugh so goddamn hard. Well done.
I laughed at that, too. It's the kind of harmless disrespect that is genuinely funny. 😂
I think Haki is more like a multiplier. If you are strong enough to overpower someone who is using Haki, you dont need to use Haki. The different forms of armament Haki have different properties like piercing or blunt damage and conquerers has an overall larger multiplierer + maybe a stun effect, explaining why people without strong willpower lose conciousnes.
By the way, Haki never became visible, it’s only visible as ‘black’ after the time skip because Oda wanted to make it clear when someone was using it and thought ‘Now that Luffy can since Haki, the readers should be able to know as well.’
16:13 This is something I’ve been saying for a while when I mention directing in anime, and someone on Reddit called me an idiot for thinking you had to direct an anime, because you’re just copying the manga which acts as a storyboard…
But Manga and Anime are so different that a direct adaptation with no skilled direction would be almost unwatchable! A lot of the things people hate about anime are a result of manga… like super drawn out fights, because it’s easy to draw cool poses and add basically as much dialogue as you want and a few flashback panels thrown in… and it can keep pace just fine… but in animation someone actually has to say all of that dialogue… mid punch. Those single panels need to become a full flashback scene because you can’t just put up a still image over 30 seconds of dialogue… you need a director to make it interesting somehow. Another one is the Naruto “Tree Flying” sequences where it seems like they just fly through the trees for 50 miles, and occasionally hop slightly and fly again for 10 seconds… because again, you can just draw an image of a character jumping through the trees and add a ton of dialogue, but that just doesn’t work in animation! The odd back and forth still image with mouth flap dialogue is a victim of this too… a good director will add in new angles and shots to make it interesting but a bad director will just keep cutting back and forth to awkward still images with mouth flaps.
It gets much more tricky when you’re trying to adapt action and fights for the same reason, you have the same issues but just on a faster pace. A good animation team and director will make it their own and make the action more fluid, dynamic and add new shots and angles to the fight, but a bad director makes fights feel like an awkward series of poses with jerky animations in between, because they’re just copying the exact poses and images from the manga and then awkwardly connecting them without trying to understand the intent of the artist and understand the fight itself to make it work. When you look at really good fights like JJK, Demon Slayer, or cool shots like the ODM gear from AoT… etc. it shows that directing really does matter when it comes to adapting manga. You really have to add and change a bit to make it work, and a good director will bring the story to life by following the wishes of the Mangaka getting what’s in their brain, onto the screen. One Piece is a mixed bag because sometimes the directing is great and fluid and others it’s an absolute mess. Sometimes it has all of the marks of great directing like interesting dialogue sequences, fluid fights and well timed emphasis on panels or splash pages… but other times it commits every awful anime sin!
Personally I’m looking forward to the anime remake, and I hope they cut out all of the filler, and use more than 8 sound effects. If I ever hear that damn robot footstep sound fat people make I’m gonna flip. The sound design is so awful on OP and whoever is in charge needs to be fired! The whole audio department must have a single 2gb flash drive that they share, because the show has like 30 sound effects, and 8 songs… that’s it. Wano brought a bit of new stuff, but not much. You still have flying birds that sound like jet engines, people walking on grass, dirt, snow, wood, and more and they all sound like a horse tap dancing on a marble floor… they still use that horrible screeching sound for all haki, electricity, and power up, they use the same weird leather crunch sound for fists, and the same jangling for Zoro and his janky loose jangly swords! His swords sound cheaper than the crappy flea market swords I bought as a kid! Why do they jingle jangle so much?! They also sound like lasers when they cut anything… so idk. I give up lol
I've never understood the Crocodile and Moria confusion; the two characters who we're shown had their dreams and ambitions crushed into dust somehow can't use the willpower abilities. HMMM I wonder why that could be? I'm sure those explanations came as a result of that Haki confusion, but at this point I feel like Oda's given us a really sensible answer to that question
I always interpreted that haki is invisible to anyone who doesn't have observation. Like a lot of other power systems in anime except instead of being a explanation of why civilians can't see the magic powers it's an excuse for the characters and audience not being able to perceive it pre time skip
It's stated by the author that haki is invisible to everyone, i mean when rayleigh is explaining haki he states that armament is an "invisible armor"
@@jeremiahbennett3004 It makes sense that Haki becomes visible in the anime to make it obvious to the viewer when it was being used. It also makes it more obvious which parts of the character are armored and which are not. Also, it looks cool, and as we know, a lot of fictional works run on the "Rule of Cool".
The nun thing was crazy
fr caught me off guard lmao
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That nun joke was gold😂 this is why youre my favorite
The intro summary lined up with why haki can come across as a clumbsy retcon.
Haki was probably intended to be clarified very late in the series, possibly right before the end. But haki became important with a lot of story to go, which is why it feels so weird a lot of characters from earlier don't have it.
My biggest problem with Haki is how it made most Devil Fruits almost pointless. Most of which are the Logia fruits. I miss when they were super strong and you needed specific tactics to counter them.
I like Haki just fine, I just wish it wasn't a counter to Devil Fruits so they could still be somewhat relevant.
That’s exactly how I feel
Haki just evens the field against logia users. It is not an auto win.
I disagree. I feel haki is kind of mandatory for any non devil fruit user to ever have a chance against a good devil fruit user without it being too unrealistic. And of course because they aren't mutually exclusive you have more options for what kind of heros and villains we get to see. You could have a super strong haki user with no fruit like mihawk and Zoro, a mix of both like Luffy and Kaido, or just a really strong devil fruit user who doesn't use haki like crocodile or kuma.
Logias are still super strong, they just don't win automatically anymore. You just have to look at Kizaru, his fruit grants him extreme versatility and power, even against an Haki master like Luffy.
If Haki didn't exist then Smoker would be the strongest Logia because what the hell could possibly counter Smoke. Oda would have had to have written a BS counter for that.
i think the strength of haki is determined by how concentrated and how strong his will is.. if the user is tired and bruised and hungry the capacity of haki varies. its not just on and off. if someone like big mum fights long enough and becomes hungry and tired etc she might be weared down enough so someone like law can actually use his powers on her despite she having her haki active. much like weapons and armor in most rpgs where the maximum dmg and absorption can be worn down if you dont repair your stuff regularly.
Yep we also know that not only was haki limiting gear 4 which has a time limit seemingly draining luffy observation haki requires the user stays focused. Definitely a important aspects which is why when fighting for something or zoro putting on his bandana is a power boost as hes getting serious and will is rising as hes concentrating.
Haki is also connected to dreams and is physical health people whove given up on dreams like moriah basically got there Haki nerfed white beard whos sick has worse haki as hes not well.
So what impact hakis mental state physical state will/ dreams
Haki is definitely affected by your health perfect example look at whitebeard in marineford he was in such poor health and wounded that it looked like he couldn’t even use haki at all and when he tried to he had a heart attack because on top of his wounds and poor health using haki over worked his body to the point that it almost killed him. That being said the fact that he was that terrifying even though he was a c**t hair away from death and did that much damage and was able to hold his own against admirals and pretty much the entirety of the marines by himself he must have been the most savage and terrifying monster ever seen in battle in his prime
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I think all (or most) of the Straw Hat crew should be given some form of Haki at some point. Like it would make sense with how tough enemies are getting and could explain some of their Wano battles. It would make sense for Franky to be able to use basic armament. It would make sense for Usopp to have advanced observation since he’s the sniper (although I think this has been hinted at). It would make sense for Nami to be able to use observation to better detect weather changes. Robin using armament would make sense too given what we saw in Wano. Like it would fix some of the Straw Hat post-timeskip issues of Oda came out and confirmed that more of the Straw Hats could use some basic trivial form of Haki. It would make matchups against tougher enemies easier too, as he wouldn’t have to write as many work arounds or actively ignore his own established rules.
In my understanding, the reason law couldn’t use his powers agaisnt big mom in the beginning of the fight was due to his haki/willpower being weaker than big mom. He was intimidated.
Then, as the fight progressed, they noticed their attacks had an effect on the seemingly invicible big mom. But also remember what rayleigh said, that haki blooms in the heat of battle. As you face somebody stronger, if youre not defeated, your haki will grow stronger.
Also, the other main villains who fought luffy did use haki, if not, they wouldn’t be able to hurt rubber. Similar to garp’s love fist, no coating/armament, still hurt luffy. Rayleigh also “plain kicked” redirected kizaru’s beam.
We just couldn’t see it because we weren’t “taught” about it by oda. That’s why after time skip we can see the coating of armament. It’s oda’s way of saying “the eye can only see what the brain knows”
Honestly I think moving the reveal of Haki from Sabaody to Enies Lobby would make a lot of sense. Having it be luffys first clash with haki and even if he can’t tap into it there it’s in own will to win that let’s him overpower it. As for crocodile and moria, crocodile didn’t really have a use for it against luffy till it was too late. Luffy already couldn’t hit him so there was no point in using haki there, and by the time luffy could hit him crocodile couldn’t really get in anything edgewise cause he had already severely underestimated him. And for Moria he’s the shining example of a knob who’s become excessively reliant on his devil fruit to the point where haki is probably something he could do but over time it’s diminished to being basically useless compared to just jacking the body of an ancient beast and throwing himself in it like a messed up gundam.
how did you type all this in 15 minutes
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@@spy6615 that's just called being fast
But also Moria fell into a depression after him and his crew were destroyed by Kaido. He then came up with the idea of shadow zombies to the point where his mindset and ambition were more complacent and lazy since why would he need new crew or do any of his own work when zombies and his shadow powers can do it for him. So his weakened mind and will as well as over reliance on his zombies and DF made him lose his haki mastery over many years and so didn’t find the use of it any longer with his new powers he gained
Agree with Moria, but Crocodile is just bad writing. There is no way such a legend would lost to a Rookie.
That nun line had me stopped in my tracks 😂😂😂
I think Sanji was the first to use Haki. On Little Garden, he uses his Observation Haki and says he thinks he heard Nami screaming. It wasn't intentional, and he brushed it off because of the hunting tournament with Zoro. My point is, if Sanji's ability to hear distressed women is observation haki, he did it before Alabasta
Sanji unlocks ultra advanced observation haki only when a woman is in danger
The reach of the century.
My original impression of conqueror's haki was that while having its own branch, it also aided the other two and amplified their strength, rather than replacing them (specifically in the case of armament haki)
Agreed. A lot of people seem to forget that "ignoring external defenses" and "hitting without touching directly" are aspects from Armament Haki, not Conqueror's. Advanced Conqueror Haki alone doesn't give you those abilities, bc Yamato didn't have them. That's all from Armament, while Conqueror just makes those attacks even stronger.
Which makes me curious to see how kings haki effects observation. 🤔
@@GiRR007 I think we've already seen the answer, both by Shank's deeds and one of his nick names. It's likely it allows longer term future sight, like what we saw against Kid, but 2nd it probably allows him to choose what others see with their observation Haki. While I've heard some people think his killer of observation haki name comes from him just shutting it down, I think it might be more in his style of overwhelming force and presence to just send so much information through the observation haki that his opponent can't figure out what to do with what they've seen.
@@linkster291 maybe it allows him to not just see the future longer but change it ? 🤔
There's a phrase from what recall that differentiates the black lightning clashes. When garp was fighting there's a specific kanji that's around that's not with koby. I think artur did a video on it because of the confusion at the time.
it is so invisible, its visible, but only when its necessary.
Don't think this is in any way canon or Oda's super secret plan, (I recall haki being shown as something to do with animators demands rather than Oda's idea being mentioned?) but I always liked looking at it from the Straw Hat's point of view. They didnt know of/understand Haki, so they didnt see it. Post-Timeskip, theres a greater understanding so they can "tell" when haki is being used, and that translates to us as the readers/viewers.
i feel like the fight between big mom and the law and kid showed the haki problem the most. It seems like against kaido bm has acoc and on the roof she showed good haki proficiency. But suddenly, she didn't use haki at all against them or wasn't drawn for whatever reason which made it harder to scale powers. the same problem occured with admirals pre-time skip which only led to fans speculate and scale to remain consistent with the story.
You forgot to mention that in skypiea the annoying round and loud enemy(satori?) could use mantra to damage the internals of his enemies without touching them.
0:15 I see what you did there with consistent 😂
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Mmmm not necessarily.
Yes pekoms rocked caribou with Haki, but it wasn't a matter of, "pekoms had stronger Haki. Therefore he oneshots."
It was more that carribou was a wimp who was used to not being hit. Meanwhile Pekoms is a yonko officer who can hit him and can hit pretty hard.
I can argue that conquerer haki always existed in Oda mind. But armament was created because logias where way too strong, writing a way to defeat a logia user would come to bulshitery at some point. Remember that to defeat Enel, Luffy had to go through soo many hoops that he basically became a circus artist.
To defeat Enel Luffy only needed his rubber body. Armament was created at the same time as Logias. From a writer's standpoint makes no sense to create character whom can't be punched without creating a way that eventually allows other characters to punch them.
@@victorarroyo5401 there was ways though. One is catching them off guard, the other was seastones and the final one was figuring out their natural weaknessesm
@@raiford5082 Catching them offguard? Crocodile trained his body to turn into sand whenever he was punched.
@@victorarroyo5401 trained his body to react to attacks he knows are coming. So what is going to do if he's relaxed?
@@raiford5082 Did he know were every attack from the gatling gum was coming?
Just a few thoughts you might have missed, when Luffy and Zoro first clashed due to Luffy being tricked and fed food, The moment they both clash you see a spark in the air foreshadowing Luffy and Zoro both having Conqueror's haki very early on. Also when Arlong was introduced, people had questions on how Fishmen can damage Logia users and his answer was Fishmen have something called Blue Haki. The next example I can think of prior to the timeskip was when Garp knocked Marco down as well as imo the main give away which was when Whitebeard fought Akainu. Everyone says Whitebeard was able to hit Akainu via his DF but if you go back there were a good amount of fight scenes where Whitebeard is just punching Akainu left and right with just his fists. In my opinion Haki has always existed only they added the color effects to showcase it after timeskip as well as expanding what Haki can do. Enel definitely showed immense observation haki and he probably has Armament as well by now.
Rayleigh has mentioned that haki HAS ALWAYS EXISTED IN-UNIVERSE, that's why we saw Roger using haki in the flashback, which chronologically is set before Marineford, meaning Whitebeard was 1000% using haki and so was everybody who should have known how to use haki like all the vice admirals, the admirals, etc.
Aokiji used observation to avoid a lethal stab from WB, the admirals used "emission" when all 3 lifted their palms
Garp HURT Luffy in Water 7....
Maaaaany examples that are disguised in gags too
agreed my brother@@n1hondude
@@n1hondude i dont think garp needed haki to hurt pretimeskip luffy
@@surafielnetserab8388 probably not but that's the in-universe logical explanation as to how punches can hurt a RUBBER MAN :)
For some reason i feel like the concept of Haki was introduced during Alabasta when Ace was explaining the different fruits. Didnt he or someone during that arc mention that logia arent all powerful or that something could affect/hurt them?
Could just be Mandala effect, but that thought tickles my brain.
Back when One Piece was starting, I was sure that the answer to "How would Zoro/Sanji/Mihawk/Shanks defeat a logia?" would simply be Seastone, like a Seastone-coated Sword, or shoes, or gloves or brass knuckles, etc.
I kinda still wish that was the case, because the idea of "how do we put someone like Kizaru in seastone handcuffs before he kills us all" still sounds more interesting of a fight than simply punching harder, as fun as that last one has proven to be.
That idea could be just as tedious. This is coming from someone who read superman, having all his enemies somehow having the only thing that can kill him him taking it away then them having more Kryptonite got boring. I don't mind it but I much prefer when Superman fights someone head to head.
If done right having "seastone users" would be a great way to mix up the power system. Maybe if Haki didn't automatically cancel out devil fruit it could have been a rock-paper-scissor type power system where haki > seastone > devil fruit > haki. Sadly what we got was Haki trumps everything and having a devil fruit power that isn't godlike is more of a weakness than a strength...
@@gogokowaiit would be either seastones or finding their natural weaknesses like crocodile and enel. In essence it would force oda to have to write around the fact that some of his characters are almost indestructable and essentially living gods which actually when you think about it makes the original 3 admirals alot more logical as world powers.
Mate that quip at 0:18. Nearly clean as. I had to do a double take on that pun
Another somewhat statement was from Garp. His "Fist of Love" when punching Luffy was a Haki Punch. Happened pre-timeskip
I actually know that the first mention of haki in all translations is when shanks got on board the whitebeard pirates ship and talk to whitebeard and started knocking people out on the boat, and jozu said “that mans haki is impressive”
Concerning advanced conquerer's Haki, I always felt like it kind of reinforced Armament Haki. All effects of advanced CoC can be explained by boosting different Armament applications.
So Zoro was using imbuent of Armament into his swords and reinforced it with Conquerers.
Meanwhile Luffy, Kaido, Whitebeard and also used Emission Armament and therefore the no touching effect happenend.
Also Conquerers infusion into Armament may add the typical Conquerers effect of overhelming opponents, kind of adding psychological or mental damage to the physical one.
Therefore Luffy was koed by Kaido with one hit because he was not only dealing physical damange with massive strength and Armament but also by a overhelming him mentally with infused Conquerers.
i think while robin and franky might not have hockey, they both have other forms of power. so while haki tends to be the better or stronger power in general, something like a devil fruit or technology can also "trump" haki. this is potentially backed up by Luffy learning adv stages of haki just to fight kaido but still needing gear 5 to actually finish him off.
Since color was brought up so much when referring to Haki, I always assumed their was an entire color spectum for Haki abilities. You often see Red and Black because those colors work best in combat scenarios, but other colors like Blue, Green, and Yellow would have their own uses. Whenever you see a supernatural ability that doesnt fit into the more commonly used forms of Haki, that is the user tapping into a different color that most people don't use and aren't aware of.
had to do a redo on that nun joke to make sure i heard correctly and damn that was unexpected, well done
I think that haki and devil fruits could actually be the same thing. If devil fruit abilities come from desire, and haki is the embodiment of ambition, basically both of them are powers that develop and evolve because someone wants to achieve something really much. That is why haki beats devil fruits in general, but there are times that devil fruits prevail.
i'm curious on the lore and relation between haki and devil fruits. Both are obviously closely related to each other. If cursed swords (and black swords) are manifestations of the user's haki and obtain a will of their own, could this extend to other objects, like a ship for example? Could this be the case of the going merry, where it would a manifestation of the haki of the SH crew? Could devil fruits be byproducts of haki users from the past (fruits being imbued with haki)? How does tie in with Vegapunk's research on devil fruits? I don't remember him ever mentioning it, which is odd and i hope he gets to it at some point.
1:20 as a French teaching conjugation to kids in primary school, you're so right 😂
I was always acting under the impression that Haki was invisible unless you had observation Haki, at which point you can see it.
I love it whenever I see Liam post a new video
Haki is basically aura,energy, chi, fighting spirit , whatever you want to call it.
Normal Haki means application of normal aura, conquerors Haki means you are born with a monstrous high level aura and advance conqueror means application of the said high level aura. And yes those cp9 guys are using Haki and the strawhats like Zoro and Sanji can use it unknowingly a bit too but they can't control it proficiently yet. All those with superhuman capabilities like cp9 are all basically using Haki
My interpretation has always been that certain characters have always been using Haki and are even supposed to be understood to be using Haki. For example CP-9 and all of their special moves I feel like were almost explicitly laid out to be Haki based, like using armament Haki to do the finger pistole, all of their little special feats they could all do can easily be explained as use of Haki, even if some of them might not have understood it to be that or how to properly use it. I'm pretty sure that's almost straight up stated when Rayleigh is teaching Luffy about how Haki works. And then its also pretty well agreed upon that the reason we cant see Haki being used by anyone pre-timeskip is because Luffy doesn't know how to see it so we aren't shown it. Sense the attack and defense aspects of Haki essentially cancel out any fight between two people using Haki will look like a regular fight to anyone watching who doesn't have observation Haki. And the only two characters we see who should have Haki who we see losing to someone who doesn't, without anything that could be interpreted as Haki(the only situation where its relevant because of precious points), is with Crocodile and Moria. Crocodile whichever way you look at it has to be understood to have not been taking the fight seriously and just not used it because he was being stupid because even without Haki that's the only way to explain that fight. And with Moria, 1. he doesn't do too much fighting himself, and 2. its reflected in his body how much he's declined and regressed sense his journey into the new world, an excursion that was very short lived by his own words so its not impossible that he didn't have Haki or wasn't the best with it and lost the ability to properly use it for a number of reasons over the years and that the only reason he was a warlord was because of his devil fruit and Army which is also supported by his own words during the arc.
Dr. Hiruluk made the first solid comment foreshadowing haki which I think is when oda decided he wanted to implement another power system later on
I think franky would easily be able to use haki (as he filled with so much self confidence and willpower,) yet no one wants to teach him :(
Zoro was the first to use haki for the Strawhats and against Mr. 1 Zoro used observation to focus and feel his surroundings this dodging the objects unconsciously and then used armament (which was invisible in Pre-TS) to harden his blade for more offense, since armament haki is great offense and defense, and his observation to perceive a vulnerable target to pierce the Iron Body of Mr. 1
Black lighting is a necessary condition for the Conqueror's Haki, but not a sufficient one.
If Conqueror's Haki is used → Black Lighting = ~Black Lighting → ~Conqueror's Haki
But Black Lighting → ???
We just don't know. It could be Conqueror's Haki, or Armament Haki, or some other power system Oda decided to come up with.
conquerers haki is like using your willpower as a tool, observation haki is enhanced observation, but i cant explain where armament haki armor comes from
I think that Haki is supposed to be mysterious, especially Conqueror's Haki, that is, at least for now. It's kinda like the awakening of devil fruits, which we do not really know of that much, especially logia awakenings (Kizaru is probably the main reason behind this question). It feels like Haki is basically something to rival Devil Fruits so as devil fruits aren't completely explained, even Haki isn't completely explained as of now. Another thing I wanted to mention is that Moria probably knew Haki, but as it is the manifestation of willpower, Moria just couldn't use it as he himself exclaims that he had become lazy after he lost his crew against Kaido and so was using other people's shadows to do his work. His willpower extended to the shadow creatures, but I don't know if haki can be extended to shadow creatures like that.
I also have an interesting theory for Crocodile. He probably knew Haki when he fought against Whitebeard, but then after suffering a crushing defeat against Whitebeard, most likely due to Whitebeard having the superior haki, including conqueror's, he probably thought that he would stop using haki as he could never reach the level of WB's haki and will try defeating Yonkos some other way. Like it makes sense as he is a really cocky person, and if he couldn't defeat him in one way, then he feels like the person who would try something entirely different, completely forgetting about what he previously used.
Oh and I forgot to mention, amazing video like always.
I think Zoro was just using basic armament against Mr.1 if anything. He just made his sword hard/sharp enough to cut steel.
That's just a Redcon, the idea of Haki didn't exist back then. The trope of "cutting without cleaving" isn't new, and certainly not tied to a powersystem a mangaka made up
@@edwardblake8575 My point was that it definitely wasn't an attack that cut Mr.1 from within. If it was Haki, which we are assuming it was (even if it wasn't intended back then), it was basic level armament haki.
00:18 nah, you not finna get with that GLR!
Wano in general was highly stylised, most of the flashing colours were just artistic flare
I've said this before, but if Oda had made advanced conqueror's any other colour of lightning besides black, E.g. pure red or even gold, there'd be a lot less discourse on matters such as whether or not Koby is a conqueror since those colours can remain white in the manga
Haki as a DF equivalent for unique ambition abiltiies would support the theory that DFs are peoples imagination. Hence, they arent so different. One comes from the devil, the other from oneself. Id have honestly liked that more than what we've got. Id also make so much more sense why Kaido said only great Haki can be KotP. You have to manifest your own power, instead of eating the power other people imagined. Omg, pls make a deep dive into this dynamic.
12:20 Coby could literally read minds at Marine Ford!
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There’s something that a lot of people don’t catch onto. Big mom when she isn’t in overprotective mum mode barely used haki. On Onigashima Big mom only used Haki to smack page 1. She never used it as any other point. I think this is related to her split personality. I’d argue nice big mum is stronger than when she uses haki too. Evil big bum was over reliant on her devil fruit.
I started to appreciate Haki.
It seems to me to be inspired by the spiritual forces inside of humans our ancestors valued so highly they sometimes structured their communities or cultures around it.
Call it Haki, Ki, Qi, Manitou, Prana, Mana, ...
It is a transcendental spiritual energy which can influence the material world. You might see the influence, but you can usually not see the power itself, you have to sense it. Since Manga and Anime is visual you can try depicting it by some aura or sth.
But because you can not see it and only sense it, because in real life every culture, religion etc. has their own words ... I started to love Haki, Mantra, Ryou, Rokushiki, ...
I my self am interested in how Luffy has attributes of Maui of Maori mythology. This is something you could get into since you life in Australia Liam, but probably not since it would not fit into your video style. Probably do it myself I guess.
A good indicator for ACoC is black lightning when a character "charges" their attack. Though it happened sometimes during Luffy vs Katakuri, which contradicts it, but it's a good indicator during Wano.
Great vid! You forgot to mention how Garp's punches seemed to hurt Luffy 😁 (devil fruit user hurt by haki?)
My head canon is that every Straw Hat has Haki, but most of them don’t know how to use it in the traditional sense. Because Haki is supposed to be the manifestation of one’s will, it honestly makes no sense to me why most of the other Straw Hats don’t have any forms of Haki, considering that they are some of the most ambitious people in the world. You shouldn’t need training to have Haki, it should just manifest on its own and be used however they choose to use it.
I mean, we know that haki can awaken unconsciously, as it happened with zoro, luffy, coby, and ussop. Blackbeard even said that luffy's haki had grown since the last time they met at jaya, but they didn't know how to properly use their new awakened powers until they were trained to refine it. Haki is an energy that everyone has, it's the embodiment of a person's will, somebody learning how to utilize haki however is about strengthening your will and your resolve. Think back to those awakenings of haki, luffy using CoC at marineford and amazon lily was the manifestation of his will to save ace, and usopp awakening his observation was the same, his will to save luffy, and for coby it was his will to save the marines that were needlessly dying in a conflict they already won. You need training to utilize haki because otherwise, it's just power going through an open circuit, without a connection in that circuit, the haki will go nowhere. Also i think people overestimate how much the crew needs haki, it's already been proven that technology can make you insanely strong(being able to replicate devil fruit power like kizaru's light beams), with the crew being at egghead island, and them seemingly going to escape with vegapunk, i have a feeling the crew's weaponry is going to take a major step up.
I think Haki is one of those things that makes more sense the less you look at it. There are plenty of people looking to scale and analyze via black lightning and such, but I think it works way better if you look at the surrounding scenes, circumstances, and emotions behind the intent and willpower on display. The Robin example Liam used in the video is good because, even though we could look at the aura as a Haki thing (which I'm sure it's not), the scene and Robin's emotions make that aura read far more as a visualization of her mental and emotional state at the time. The colour choice was probably to disassociate that specifically from Haki, however, the animation team has chosen a tricky (albeit, kind of the only) option to showcase Haki, as auras have been used across anime for decades to visualize plenty of emotional states. Like, I can't think of a specific example, but I'm damn near positive you could go back into pre-timeskip and find a use of aura in a scene where Nami is threatening Luffy or Usopp gets a burst of false courage or something, and there was clearly no Haki intent there.
Admittedly, showing the use of Haki becomes tricky because it is mostly an internal ability, and animation is primarily a visual medium, so displaying that power system in a way that makes sense is tough. The use of sound design helps (think the iconic *swshwshwsh* of your classic Super Saiyan ki flame), but there needed to be a surefire way to let viewers know Haki was in use in the event they're watching on mute.
Same goes with the manga and the use of black lightning--it could mean just a heavy clash, and it could mean Haki use--just use the prior knowledge and weight of the scene to determine of Zoro is busting out ACOC on Lucci in Egghead, or if the two are just sort of going at each other in a fun little bout. Artistic choice becomes tough in a strictly black and white medium, so take it with a grain of salt and trust that Oda has seeded every actual Haki user prior so we don't need to deep-dive on whether Prince Grus is somehow a Conq. user.
i genuinely wanted to read but DAMN
@@onlyenzoYT yeah, I kinda don't do things in bite-sized format lol. I'm sure lots of insight I have on stuff gets skipped because of it but oh well
Its a fools errand to try to use the anime to make sense of things, they literally just do what they want they don't care about consistency or the authors intentions. Its just about churning money and the animators trying to make a name for themselves with these random nonsensical auras. Some of the animators have admitted to just putting it in cause its cool not cause that it was intended or if it makes sense for the story. They know the anime audience will watch any filler slop they put out if its flashy enough, thats how they've been able to get away with adapting half a chapter per episode. Its better to stick to the manga if trying to scale/decipher canon events
thats the one thing thats bothered my for quite awhile since you brought up mantra, like the one aspect of haki you could use to detect/foresee attacks for example, and everything worked out fine unnnnntil oda brought in katakuri where somewhere along the way, the ability to see 2 seconds into the future, or future sight was a totally new concept but at the same time has bin established for a long time now.
The way I've always interpreted it has been that Haki was first really hinted at during Skypiea as Mantra. Pre time skip I always wondered how Luffy would handle other Logia users like Crocodile, because he cant *always* have a trump card to perfectly fit the enemy, (right? ha.. ha...) and he'd need some way to fight Logia users. Then of course post time skip, thats what Haki does, its what allows someone to physically attack a Logia user and nullify their ability to a degree. I also always got the impression seeing Armament Haki on the body as black was strictly for us to be able to see it being used since we're now seeing what Luffy sees after his training, and that it eventually would go away, but they decided to stick with it.
As things progressed, its not seemed so complicated to me, it just keeps getting more and more powerful as the story progresses and the Straw Hats become stronger. The Color of the Supreme King or Conqueror's Haki, became a baseline for someone genuinely powerful, and anyone who doesn't have it is on a much lower level. With someone like Katakuri having mastered Observation Haki, I don't see that as an extending branch of Observation Haki, but as previously stated, mastered it fully. Luffy realizes he still has more to learn with his Haki during that fight, as we not only learn about said Observation Haki, but Advanced Armament Haki when Luffy tries to punch Katakuri and it hurts.
Luffy didn't master Advanced Armament until he learned "Ryuo", which to me is simply what Wano calls Haki, much like how Skypiea calls it Mantra. Difference being, Wano is so far along in the New World that of course its on an entirely different level than what Luffy (and by extension Zoro) have mastered. Most combatants in Wano should know or be learning Ryuo as that is *their* baseline for Haki, they're not weak people. Similar to how some combatants in Skypiea knew "Mantra".
The black lighting is just cool as f**k so I dont care what context they use it, If its Luffy, Shanks, Zoro or some other powerhouse like even Blackbeard, I just see it as their Haki is that mf'n strong. The only thing that confused me was that the way its implied to me visually, is that you can mix your Haki *with* your Devil Fruit powers. But then again, thats literally what Gear 4th does. I just thought that mixing Haki with DF powers was a Luffy specific thing at first.
Thank you to anyone reading this long drawn out bucket of my thoughts on Haki, I hope you have a wonderful day.
Usopp has unironically one of the best observation haki feats in the series, seeing sugar from that far away through multiple walls and knowing where to shoot to hit the target
Sometimes i get this epiphany where all Haki makes sense and i remember how it was subtly used in marineford by admirals and you start getting everything and sometimes i just go back to square 1
Katakuri's fruit didn't help either
Haki is not as well defined as we think it is but it's still a cool system
I think Merphy Napier has a point it's all about how oda is feeling the winner is decided by the story not power scaling or haki
back than in Water Seven / Enies Lobby the CP-9 Members used some kind of armorment Haki - even if this wasn´t called by that name back then. they yelled out something - a name of an ability that should explain why the Strawhats had so much trouble hurting and damaging them. in the german dub of the Anime, this ability was called "Eisenpanzer", which roughly translates to "iron armor".
and as far as i´ve heard about that topic some years ago, the black colour of the armorment Haki was alledgedly added in in later chapters / episodes, so the audience was able to recognize the effects of that ability.
Laws awakened powers probably worked cause he was using the Knife Room for attacks, so Haki was probably in tere as well.
And the Silent Room didn't affect Big Mom directly, just the area around her.
Everytime Liam speaks french, the video is automatically better