I've been using VKB's T Rudder pedals for years. I'm a big fan of single axis foot pedals like this. I use it for rolling in SC and the fact that it's only a single axis keeps me from moving another axis unintentionally. I've tried pedals with a toe break function and that was too many articulation points. I would move the toe breaks accidentally and if I needed to move them while also moving the main pedal axis, it compromised the accuracy of both. So yeah, single axis pedals all the way... I really like how these can be moved to a wider stance, just like a joystick extension.
Great and awesome review. Apologies for the way I might have come off the last time. Frankly, your flight sim product reviews are among the best out there. Detailed and informative on so many areas, yet concise and straight to the point. Always a pleasure to watch. Two thumbs up.
I sold my ace/interceptors and got these. For space sims these are just better. With a dual stick setup i wasn't using my toe breaks. Even mounted the motion wasn't optimal. My chair would roll back. The up and down motion makes them perfect for strife forward and back.
This was the comment I was looking for. I’ve been concerned about chair roll and thought the torq could be the answer. Sounds like they are. Still enjoying them?
I got my Torq set 2 days ago and i'm very happy with it. The build quality is what you expect from Virpil - top notch. All metal, very robust, durable, very precise and can easily adjusted to your needs. I was very excited when Virpil released these pedals. I don't have a way to keep the Ace models in place so the whole unit would move when pushing on the pedals. So this type of rudder pedal is ideal for me. I also like the smaller footprint of the Torq. I can easily move them to the side and they won't use as much space under the desk as one of the other Ace models would. So it's not necessary to remove them completely and i can keep them connected under the desk until i want to use them again.
jdoe your comment "i can keep them connected under the desk until i want to use them again" is an excellent point! I've been on the fence for pedals for a very long time because I wouldn't want to use them exclusively. Your comment made me realize pedals can be used at will. Do you know if yaw settings in Star Citizen can be assigned to 2 devices simultaneously? My yaw is currently assigned to right stick twist, could yaw also be assigned to pedals simultaneously?
2:07 - VirPil pedals in "mid entry price bracket" is VPC WarBRD pedals, with price similar to VKB T-Rudder €219.95 ~$ 228.00 for EU and $237.45 in the new US seller.
I would love to have had a mid tier option. Waiting on ACE pedals now, as my first bit of serious kit, and there was a bit of sticker shock. Still. Excited to be using premium stuff that I won't be replacing any time soon.
it's odd to me that in the review, you wouldn't immediately compare this product to the VKB T-Rudder as that would be it's direct comparison, as opposed to the ACE, or some other larger pedal set.
That would show that this rudder pedals are way too expensive. 300€ (incl VAT) for rudder pedals without toe brakes is just ridiculous (compared to the 200€ incl. VAT for the VKB), but some people just have way too much disposable income I guess.
@@NOOBIFIER1337 But then that should have been made really clear in the review. The review, from my interpretation was relatively glowing. However, this product is essentially the same as the T-rudder (it's actually much less ergonomic in some ways and is a less effecient use of space) in the same form-factor and design but 100 euro more. It seems DOA...??
@@NOOBIFIER1337 I loved the video, but since this product and T-Rudder serve the exact same purpose, shouldn't that have been your main point of comparison? That is, shouldn't the video have focused on whether the TorQ ACE provides enough benefit over the T-Rudders to be worthy of the higher cost? It seems like you're too shy to simply say that it isn't worth the price when the T-Rudder does the same for less money, but we can only guess if that's your opinion from the video.
I'm about to pull the trigger on these for the 2023 Black Friday sale. Mainly because I have a rolling rotating office chair and not a lot of space under my desk. I feel like I'll be more comfortable or willing to fly longer if can keep my heels nice and planted on the ground.
+BrianMP5T *VIRPIL® Controls has a daisy-chainable option for yaw input in the new ACE™ Torq™.* Ideal for control integration with the MongoosT-50CM2® Stick as a cyclic with a 200mm extension, and the SharKa-50® panel and collective grip with the Rotor-TCS™ collective arm. Eagle Dynamics DCS: Black Shark is majorly controllable with the VirPil set heretofore described, replicating the functions that OKB Nikolaija Il'ycha Kamova engineered into the Ka-50 and -52 coaxial-rotor attack helicopters, with dual triggers (the flip trigger for stores release and to safe the Grjazev-Shipunov-30-1 autocannon) and a brake grip on the cyclic.
good review, my thoughts exactly. or at least on the analytical points, the main one being the lower throw available. the difference is I was hoping for an upgrade for the VKB T-Rudders, but when I received the Torq's, I could only classify it as a side-grade. Better comfort due to width, lower precision due to less throw.
@@NOOBIFIER1337 Ok fine, let's give them a hop. :) Do you find the clutch to be a bit coarse? Just a bit, but definitely not perfectly smooth. I am thinking of lubricating mine, since I don't need the no-centre-return anyway.
Hi Speedom2, would you say the T-Rudders have more range of motion than these? Looking for good heli pedals, but Im worried about the limited range of motion of the Torques and the effect on accuracy.
As always, an excellent review. I have already purchased Virpil sticks based on your reviews and now I'm looking to also purchase rudder pedals. I'm trying to decide between ACE Flight Pedals and ACE Interceptor Pedals but I don't know why I would choose one over the other so any suggestion you can provide would be much appreciated. Also, Virpil released Rudder Pedals Damper Upgrade Kit so my question is, is it worth picking it up with the ACE pedals?
Great review, again. Thank you Noobifier! With all testing experience, if pitting the Torq agains the twist pedals (without toebrakes; the vpc warbrd rudders), which one would you prefer?
Virpil has been absolutely ON FIRE the past few years with fantastic products. I've spent nearly as much on virpil gear, as I've spent on ships in Star Citizen. Dont regret a single penny.
Have you taken a look at the CH Products pedals? I hear they’re built really well. Internals are unmatched but have an incredibly unassuming appearance.
They work ok but not on the same level as Virpil or other pedals. Much better than the cheap thrustmaster or saitek ones for sure. Good range of motion, nicely wide apart and comfortable, very clunky motion though going through centre and the spring noise is very loud!
Thanks for the review Noob. I don't know what your level of contact with the people at Virpil is. I'm not sure if you can answer this, but are Virpil products and support going to be impacted by the current state of affairs in that part of the world? I hate to be so self absorbed when so many people are suffering. But I also don't want to shell out significant $ for a company that may be shut down or at least blocked from delivering or providing support for their products. As always thanks again for the no BS reviews.
I can answer that question quite easily for you, they are sympathetic to the situation in Ukraine, they are working on ways to mitigate any difficulty. A lot of their company operates outside of Belarus to include some of the customer support elements and tech-support. Hopefully that answers any questions, feel free to join our discord and contact me directly in the future if you have any other questions.
The range is similar. TBH, they are close but VKB has a slightly more simple design. Both are metal and easy to configure. I would personally choose this type mainly for Helicopter use as that most closely represents that motion.
@@NOOBIFIER1337 You mean you'd prefer the Torque's over the T-Rudder for helis? Asking as Im looking for som good heli pedals, but I got a little worried when you said their range og motion was rather short, so thought I'd ask if the T-Rudders were any better here.
@@hummingbird9149 Never used Virpil but used to have the VKB MKIV. Highly recommended for helos. Decent range of motion. Very comfortable for desk or simpit use.
Being a student all of the virpil/ VKB equipment are unattainable with those price tags, however as an Aircraft Maintenance Engineering student, challenge accepted.
Seems like an odd product choice, considering the minor price difference, unless the price on the Ace is going up, or this is supposed to be a replacement.
First of all, thank you for the awesome review. Second, at some point are you planning to do a review for star citizen of various potential set ups that you have tried. With all the configuration options there are multiple paths you could go down. I would be interested in seeing the best you could do with a desk build that would enable you to go to mouse and keyboard for one foot, then switch to a duel stick layout for flying. So not a sim rig, setup But as well a sim-rig setup that would work that includes the on foot aspect and simple transitions between.
Is that review of the MFG Crosswind v3 with damper still planned? I’m trying to decide between that or the Virpil, and would like to know your thoughts.
Yes, it’s mostly done. If I were to choose between them as my only set of pedals, and I had space for the larger set, I would probably get MFGv3 to be honest
@@NOOBIFIER1337 Are the Crosswinds the only option for both a damper (from the factory, not a 3rd party) and toe brakes? I just tried seeing if I could live with taxiing a DCS P-51 without toe brakes and binding nose wheel steering to my throttle was painful :D
@@NOOBIFIER1337 thank you. I’m adding flight sim to my race sim rig and something like this would be perfect to switch between my race pedals and rudder pedals.
@@NOOBIFIER1337 thank you! Mine are on backorder so I don't think I am prepared to preplan voiding my warranty yet haha, so I will try and zip tie or 3m it down once I have my pedal mounts sorted out
Between the TRudder and Torq, I like them for chopper, but I’m not always trying to recreate “real” motion so I often find myself just using the larger pedals such as MFG or The larger ACE from Virpil. It’s a hard thing to advise you on as I don’t know if you are just trying to have fun with good results, or you have built up a full rig to be real.
I'm not currently in the market for foot pedals, but Virpil has taught me that I should NEVER purchase their first version of anything. They always come out with improvements that are usually not backwards compatible. So I'll wait a few years before I even consider this product.
One problem. Virpil is based in Belarus, I believe. Due to the dictator of Belarus helping Putin invade Ukraine, it wouldn't surprise me if there's a trade embargo against Belarus and its exports. I feel for the ordinary citizens of Ukraine, Belarus and Russia who are hostage to this war. Slava Ukraini 🇦🇺
I can not support any company in Belarus. It’s a shame for virpil. Get your money back if you preordered since sanctions are coming very soon on Belarus
@Luckdragon you can't pick and choose with sanctions. They're designed to bite, unfortunately, everyone in the relevant country, to initiate discontent against their government for the government's decisions. It's just another unfortunate aspect of international relations. Personally, I would think investing in supplies of food, etc might be wise, in case this war expands to a NATO vs Russia conflict. You won't need your pedals then. 😔🇦🇺
I've been using VKB's T Rudder pedals for years. I'm a big fan of single axis foot pedals like this. I use it for rolling in SC and the fact that it's only a single axis keeps me from moving another axis unintentionally. I've tried pedals with a toe break function and that was too many articulation points. I would move the toe breaks accidentally and if I needed to move them while also moving the main pedal axis, it compromised the accuracy of both. So yeah, single axis pedals all the way... I really like how these can be moved to a wider stance, just like a joystick extension.
Thanks for the perspective and experience.
Great and awesome review.
Apologies for the way I might have come off the last time.
Frankly, your flight sim product reviews are among the best out there. Detailed and informative on so many areas, yet concise and straight to the point. Always a pleasure to watch. Two thumbs up.
I sold my ace/interceptors and got these. For space sims these are just better. With a dual stick setup i wasn't using my toe breaks. Even mounted the motion wasn't optimal. My chair would roll back. The up and down motion makes them perfect for strife forward and back.
Perfect Use Case
This was the comment I was looking for. I’ve been concerned about chair roll and thought the torq could be the answer. Sounds like they are. Still enjoying them?
I got my Torq set 2 days ago and i'm very happy with it. The build quality is what you expect from Virpil - top notch.
All metal, very robust, durable, very precise and can easily adjusted to your needs. I was very excited when Virpil released these pedals.
I don't have a way to keep the Ace models in place so the whole unit would move when pushing on the pedals. So this type of rudder pedal is ideal for me.
I also like the smaller footprint of the Torq. I can easily move them to the side and they won't use as much space under the desk as one of the other Ace models would.
So it's not necessary to remove them completely and i can keep them connected under the desk until i want to use them again.
jdoe your comment "i can keep them connected under the desk until i want to use them again" is an excellent point! I've been on the fence for pedals for a very long time because I wouldn't want to use them exclusively. Your comment made me realize pedals can be used at will. Do you know if yaw settings in Star Citizen can be assigned to 2 devices simultaneously? My yaw is currently assigned to right stick twist, could yaw also be assigned to pedals simultaneously?
@@johnnystlouyes. I’ve done it accidentally to the expected and explosive result
@@ProBioMech Thanks for the follow-up, Pro. Good to know.
2:07 - VirPil pedals in "mid entry price bracket" is VPC WarBRD pedals, with price similar to VKB T-Rudder €219.95 ~$ 228.00 for EU and $237.45 in the new US seller.
I would love to have had a mid tier option. Waiting on ACE pedals now, as my first bit of serious kit, and there was a bit of sticker shock. Still. Excited to be using premium stuff that I won't be replacing any time soon.
I use my pedals far less often than my virpil sticks, and STILL think they were worth every penny.
Glad to see options… glad I have my ace pedals for that movement level. I still need to afford some grips, and get more time to play.
it's odd to me that in the review, you wouldn't immediately compare this product to the VKB T-Rudder as that would be it's direct comparison, as opposed to the ACE, or some other larger pedal set.
That would show that this rudder pedals are way too expensive. 300€ (incl VAT) for rudder pedals without toe brakes is just ridiculous (compared to the 200€ incl. VAT for the VKB), but some people just have way too much disposable income I guess.
Too expensive to do point to point with T Rudder.
@@NOOBIFIER1337 But then that should have been made really clear in the review. The review, from my interpretation was relatively glowing. However, this product is essentially the same as the T-rudder (it's actually much less ergonomic in some ways and is a less effecient use of space) in the same form-factor and design but 100 euro more. It seems DOA...??
@@c.cullum5526 I was pretty clear that the price was high, even going so far to say the larger, more complete set, is only $50 more
@@NOOBIFIER1337 I loved the video, but since this product and T-Rudder serve the exact same purpose, shouldn't that have been your main point of comparison? That is, shouldn't the video have focused on whether the TorQ ACE provides enough benefit over the T-Rudders to be worthy of the higher cost? It seems like you're too shy to simply say that it isn't worth the price when the T-Rudder does the same for less money, but we can only guess if that's your opinion from the video.
I'm about to pull the trigger on these for the 2023 Black Friday sale. Mainly because I have a rolling rotating office chair and not a lot of space under my desk. I feel like I'll be more comfortable or willing to fly longer if can keep my heels nice and planted on the ground.
Just got these and the build quality is insane! Not surprised but definitely pleased.
+BrianMP5T *VIRPIL® Controls has a daisy-chainable option for yaw input in the new ACE™ Torq™.* Ideal for control integration with the MongoosT-50CM2® Stick as a cyclic with a 200mm extension, and the SharKa-50® panel and collective grip with the Rotor-TCS™ collective arm. Eagle Dynamics DCS: Black Shark is majorly controllable with the VirPil set heretofore described, replicating the functions that OKB Nikolaija Il'ycha Kamova engineered into the Ka-50 and -52 coaxial-rotor attack helicopters, with dual triggers (the flip trigger for stores release and to safe the Grjazev-Shipunov-30-1 autocannon) and a brake grip on the cyclic.
Was that a question?
“…Plus I get to pay with toys.” The most important reason! :)
good review, my thoughts exactly. or at least on the analytical points, the main one being the lower throw available. the difference is I was hoping for an upgrade for the VKB T-Rudders, but when I received the Torq's, I could only classify it as a side-grade. Better comfort due to width, lower precision due to less throw.
Yeah, a prettier, newer version with a couple of nice upgrades, but certainly not a leap, more like a hop.
@@NOOBIFIER1337 Ok fine, let's give them a hop. :) Do you find the clutch to be a bit coarse? Just a bit, but definitely not perfectly smooth. I am thinking of lubricating mine, since I don't need the no-centre-return anyway.
Hi Speedom2, would you say the T-Rudders have more range of motion than these? Looking for good heli pedals, but Im worried about the limited range of motion of the Torques and the effect on accuracy.
As always, an excellent review. I have already purchased Virpil sticks based on your reviews and now I'm looking to also purchase rudder pedals. I'm trying to decide between ACE Flight Pedals and ACE Interceptor Pedals but I don't know why I would choose one over the other so any suggestion you can provide would be much appreciated. Also, Virpil released Rudder Pedals Damper Upgrade Kit so my question is, is it worth picking it up with the ACE pedals?
If you plan only for chopper, these are perfect. If you plan to fly a mix, the ACE might be better
@@NOOBIFIER1337 Thank you. Your suggestion makes the choice easier. Would you also add the Rudder Pedals Damper Upgrade Kit to the ACE pedals?
It looks like you mounted them to a base plate. Are the pedals prepared for this or did you have to customize the pedals (drill holes)?
Great review, again. Thank you Noobifier! With all testing experience, if pitting the Torq agains the twist pedals (without toebrakes; the vpc warbrd rudders), which one would you prefer?
Great content and showing my support to channel.
Virpil has been absolutely ON FIRE the past few years with fantastic products.
I've spent nearly as much on virpil gear, as I've spent on ships in Star Citizen.
Dont regret a single penny.
Have you taken a look at the CH Products pedals? I hear they’re built really well. Internals are unmatched but have an incredibly unassuming appearance.
I will take a look
They work ok but not on the same level as Virpil or other pedals. Much better than the cheap thrustmaster or saitek ones for sure. Good range of motion, nicely wide apart and comfortable, very clunky motion though going through centre and the spring noise is very loud!
Sturdy looking for sure.
Nice Pedals, i need to get a pair of these or the vkbs
Thanks for the review Noob. I don't know what your level of contact with the people at Virpil is. I'm not sure if you can answer this, but are Virpil products and support going to be impacted by the current state of affairs in that part of the world? I hate to be so self absorbed when so many people are suffering. But I also don't want to shell out significant $ for a company that may be shut down or at least blocked from delivering or providing support for their products.
As always thanks again for the no BS reviews.
I can answer that question quite easily for you, they are sympathetic to the situation in Ukraine, they are working on ways to mitigate any difficulty. A lot of their company operates outside of Belarus to include some of the customer support elements and tech-support. Hopefully that answers any questions, feel free to join our discord and contact me directly in the future if you have any other questions.
Does the tension screw come all the way out or does it have a stopper?
It could be removed if you keep turning.
Hello @TheNOOBIFIER1337, how would you say do these compare to the TM pendular rudders?
Great review! One question though: How do these compare with the VKB T-Rudders ? Seems like the T-Rudders have abit more range of motion?
The range is similar. TBH, they are close but VKB has a slightly more simple design. Both are metal and easy to configure. I would personally choose this type mainly for Helicopter use as that most closely represents that motion.
@@NOOBIFIER1337 You mean you'd prefer the Torque's over the T-Rudder for helis? Asking as Im looking for som good heli pedals, but I got a little worried when you said their range og motion was rather short, so thought I'd ask if the T-Rudders were any better here.
@@hummingbird9149 Never used Virpil but used to have the VKB MKIV. Highly recommended for helos. Decent range of motion. Very comfortable for desk or simpit use.
Being a student all of the virpil/ VKB equipment are unattainable with those price tags, however as an Aircraft Maintenance Engineering student, challenge accepted.
Seems like an odd product choice, considering the minor price difference, unless the price on the Ace is going up, or this is supposed to be a replacement.
this is for helicopter
Would these work for strafe forward and backwards or accelerate and brake/reverse in star citizen. I know nothing.
yes, but the are only one axis
First of all, thank you for the awesome review. Second, at some point are you planning to do a review for star citizen of various potential set ups that you have tried. With all the configuration options there are multiple paths you could go down. I would be interested in seeing the best you could do with a desk build that would enable you to go to mouse and keyboard for one foot, then switch to a duel stick layout for flying. So not a sim rig, setup But as well a sim-rig setup that would work that includes the on foot aspect and simple transitions between.
Dig back into his videos. He covers desk mounts for the sticks.
He used a standing desk for SC in the past. His studio and sim pit have grown.
A lot.
@@lordfraybin yeah, I am interested to see what has changed in his option as he has acquired new gear over the years and tested it.
I would love to try the pedals with the yoke you previewed last week
But
That’s expensive to just try out to see if I like it or not
They are costly.
Is that review of the MFG Crosswind v3 with damper still planned? I’m trying to decide between that or the Virpil, and would like to know your thoughts.
Yes, it’s mostly done. If I were to choose between them as my only set of pedals, and I had space for the larger set, I would probably get MFGv3 to be honest
@@NOOBIFIER1337 in the same boat. Would you go with the Crosswinds over the TORQ because of the toe brake option?
@@ColonelAkirNakesh Crosswinds are really SOLID.
Is it easy to adjust the damper and swap out the spring frequently if I flitted about between fixed wing and rotors in DCS?
@@NOOBIFIER1337 Are the Crosswinds the only option for both a damper (from the factory, not a 3rd party) and toe brakes? I just tried seeing if I could live with taxiing a DCS P-51 without toe brakes and binding nose wheel steering to my throttle was painful :D
What’s that mounting plate that you use on your rig?
It’s part of the Monstertech MTS sim system. They call it pedal quick change
@@NOOBIFIER1337 thank you. I’m adding flight sim to my race sim rig and something like this would be perfect to switch between my race pedals and rudder pedals.
I wanted to ask are these setup to be mounted to a plate like you have show or did you have to do anything special to hard mount them?
I did need to drill from below, I added a Helicoil, then used a bolt
@@NOOBIFIER1337 Thanks good to know. 👍
Are the pedal legs solid or hollow?
question if i use 3 axies joystick throttle and pedals with toe axies can i get 6 dof in star citizen?
How have you attached yours to the plate? There are no mounting holes on the bottom of the frame
I drilled them, but you can use 3M tape and they will never move until you want to remove them.
@@NOOBIFIER1337 thank you! Mine are on backorder so I don't think I am prepared to preplan voiding my warranty yet haha, so I will try and zip tie or 3m it down once I have my pedal mounts sorted out
How is the range of movement on these vs VKB trudders?
Comparable travel
What would you say are the best pedals for helo drivers?
Between the TRudder and Torq, I like them for chopper, but I’m not always trying to recreate “real” motion so I often find myself just using the larger pedals such as MFG or The larger ACE from Virpil. It’s a hard thing to advise you on as I don’t know if you are just trying to have fun with good results, or you have built up a full rig to be real.
@@NOOBIFIER1337 I have a full rig. but may be moving to a Monstertech chair soon (getting a little tired of my rig). Thanks for the response! :)
some nice toy's :)
Interessting but i don't know if they relly neccessary if I'm being honest.
I'm not currently in the market for foot pedals, but Virpil has taught me that I should NEVER purchase their first version of anything. They always come out with improvements that are usually not backwards compatible. So I'll wait a few years before I even consider this product.
One problem. Virpil is based in Belarus, I believe. Due to the dictator of Belarus helping Putin invade Ukraine, it wouldn't surprise me if there's a trade embargo against Belarus and its exports. I feel for the ordinary citizens of Ukraine, Belarus and Russia who are hostage to this war. Slava Ukraini 🇦🇺
I can not support any company in Belarus. It’s a shame for virpil. Get your money back if you preordered since sanctions are coming very soon on Belarus
They have a strong social media presence, denouncing the war on Ukraine
@Luckdragon Regardless of personal opinion, if they get sanctioned you're shit out of luck.
@@Mach1Greeble exactly my point
@Luckdragon This isn't the place bro. Just a buyer PSA, read the news about sanctions and decided for yourself on a purchase.
@Luckdragon you can't pick and choose with sanctions. They're designed to bite, unfortunately, everyone in the relevant country, to initiate discontent against their government for the government's decisions. It's just another unfortunate aspect of international relations. Personally, I would think investing in supplies of food, etc might be wise, in case this war expands to a NATO vs Russia conflict. You won't need your pedals then. 😔🇦🇺
Way too expensive...like most Virpil products.
Sold my Ace after 30Min use. Bought the MFG.
Unsubscribed. This is a very bad taste joke.
I checked ned, You were never subscribed, nice try.
@@NOOBIFIER1337 I was, for 3 years or so. Check my entries on your giveaways.