Outstanding video! I must say, the review videos you've been pushing out are far superior to anything I've seen of late. Keep up the good work!! I am quite impressed with WW's build quality, better than 90% of their competitors, by far, and their prices are quite reasonable. Though, their customer service needs a lot of improvement.
Thanks a lot! I'm putting a lot of effort into them and it's really nice to see it appreciated. Yes, I keep hearing people complain about WW customer service. Cant make out though whether it's a general problem or a loud minority. Only Winwing really knows... Did you also run into some problems with support?
@@WatchMysh Indeed, I did. I had inquired about getting a z-axis module and MFSSB Kit. WW said, basically, "No. You can't have them. You mere humans are too stupid to install them. They must be installed by us." Yet, those, and other items WW refuses to sell, are listed on their website(s) as being "for sale", yet, for well over two (2) years now they have been constantly "out of stock".... And only now can you purchase an Orion 2 joystick base pre-installed with MFSSB. That is now the only way one can get it. So, yeah, WW's customer service is about as helpful as having a raging case of hemorrhoids while racing in the Tour de France. Although(!), that is not to say I will not do business with them. They have an extremely high quality product of which few can match - let alone exceed. And it has a very reasonable price, too. So, yeah, I'll be going back, if only to get the rest of my soon-to-be sim pit.
installed mine this week, after several other brands in the last year. They are by far the best i have used so far, excellent for heli flying, and perfect for a320 as well. love the set !
@@WatchMysh VKB, turtle beach, Logitech. VKB’s are okay but no brakes and no dampener, the others were just crap, badly designed and a lot of friction, impossible for heli. The winwings are buttery smooth
@@WatchMysh no, i try to be as close as possible to reality 😁 The feature i was missing the most is dampening and smoothness. The bonus of the winwings is the option to convert centering in a sec by adding / removing the spring. Just brilliant and overall thought out product. I have not tried the Virpils though, using all other gears from them but rudders
Thank you for this great review 👌🏼 I searched for reviews of the pedals and found nothing for days but all of a sudden your video comes up, CZcams is so strange 😂
@@WatchMysh I'm currently looking for some pedals and winwings pedals just look the best and are all metal and have the three operational modes. And after your video I think I'm going to buy them because seeing that they are what they look in the winwing pictures it's almost a no brainer😂
Very high quality review thanks for sharing. If you’ve tried them, how would you compare these to the mfg crosswind or Virpil ace? Sounds like they’re in similar class for cheaper price.
Thanks for the appreciation :) I can't compare them objectively since it's the only high end set I own. But I plan to review the other pedal sets as well and make a comparison video then. Could take a while, though.
I'm using the Milan Flight Gear Pedals and they are awesome. Especially because you can order different foot rests. Back then, WinWing didn't have good pedals. I would have bought them, because I love the F16 Stick and throttle from them.
@@WatchMysh oh, they are of quite good quality. Parts are created by CNC machine. It's a hard and dense plastic. Feels almost like hard wood. The dampener looks like the winwing one. It was around 230€ and Worth it all the way. It is very stable and of good quality. It will probably be my first and last set of pedals.
Really? Wait, I have a link to the according manual. It's mistakenly named "dampener manual". I'll contact WinWing about the issue. I've put the link to the manual into the video description and will pin this comment. Thanks for letting me know! :)
Thanks! There’s nothing on their rudder webpage either. They should at least have a little piece of paper with a QR code or something. Your video helped. I opened a ticket with them, too.
Instructions in English are available on the Pedals webpage !? But if you already completed anything from IKEA you don't need any instructions at all .-)
What kind of screws are safe to use with these kind of metal controls? The reason I ask is that there is something like galvanic corrosion might occur and I am by far not a metal expert. I got myself some used Virpil control parts ( not a full hotas set yet) and I may need some screws to connect it to some desk mount.
Tough. I'd say: get them without the dampener since the TB pedals also don't have one. Then the difference is "only" 100 bucks and you probably will buy your "forever pedals". The Skywalker set peforms a league or two above the TBs. For 170 the TB pedals aren't bad, though. A lot better than the 120-ish Logitechs. Still you'd need to prepare mentally to resist the urge to immediately sell them if you by chance try out some proper pedals like MFG, Virpil or Skywalkers, since the difference is huge.
Great review I cant find information anywhere except here about those tension screws for the pedals when I turn them all they seem to do is loosen the housing?
Thanks. I asked WW support and it worked for me. I just adjusted them slightly as proposed by the support and measured the resistance the pedals gave. Maybe they just were too tight in my case and interfered with the mechanism inside? And don't do a lot of adjustment at all? Would be an option. Have to check...
Hey man! Great review! Im watching all the reviews for each rudder pedal haha! I have the alpha and bravo from honeycomb but I’m looking to buy a pedal and I was about to press the trigger with the V1 (today it’s $30 off on Amazon) but I’m so confused with all these options, would you suggest to buy it anyway or spend a little more for the winwing?
@@DanuForhonor Oh. I thought maybe Honeycomb had a V1 rudder. Was new to me because I'm only aware of the Charlie. Get the WinWing. It's at least one league above the VelocityOne and the additional cost is worth it.
@@WatchMysh great! Just one last question please, how much time it takes to be delivered? In you case how much time it was? Thank you again! Really appreciate it!
@@MozTS It's not garbage, let's not over overexaggerate. Just cheaper and therefore not as smooth and robust as this one obviously. They will have a hard time selling it for 230€ though when the WinWing set is around now for 278€.
@@MozTS If you call my review promotion then I suggest you never take a job in marketing. I also call it overprized and have zero ties to turtle beach. Bought the set with my own money as well as the stick. I'd gain nothing from promoting anything from them. But most importantly: please either give a nuanced opinion in my comment section or stop commenting at all. It might be garbage in your books, that's okay, but support it with a proper explanation. Also please refrain from baseless accusations and keep it civil. First and last warning.
Thanks! I explain it in the video. It's for flying helicopters primarily. But a little dampening also makes the whole mechanism smoother and more convenient to operate.
@@joshharris2793 Yes, it's just my chair. Bought it on Amazon at some point during the precambrian era. I have no idea how it's called and what kind of material it's composed of. :D
und kannst die pedale empfehlen? Hab aktuell die von Thrustmaster die 99€ teile, find die jetzt nicht so hochwertig, da ich auch in der Flugschule gerade meinen PPL mache.@@WatchMysh
@@scabostar Die TM Pedale sind wirklich nicht das Wahre. Ich denke die Skywalkers sind das beste was man vom P/L Verhältnis her bekommen kann und sie stehen teureren Pedalen wenig bis nichts nach. Sind auch super universell. Speziell wenn man auch gerne mal Helikopter fliegt ist der Dämpfer und die Möglichkeit die Feder in ein paar Sekunden zu entfernen Gold wert. Das Sperren ist auch echt gut, weil man dann zB Fahrzeuge einfach per Toe Brake fahren kann. Bin immer noch total zufrieden mit dem Set. Viel Erfolg beim PPL! :)
Ich hab sie auch direkt auf der Winwing Webseite gekauft mit der Auswahl EU. Die Lieferung kam mit DHL. Geliefert wurde aus einem Lager in CZ. Bestellt am 23.03. und geliefert am 27.03.24 Zusammengebaut in etwa 30min. Anleitung nur online! Leider sind die Teile schwergängier als erwartet. Ich hab schon extra OHNE diesen Damper geklauft, weil ich mir schon dachte, dass der alles nur noch schwieriger macht. Ich bekomme die Dinger praktisch nicht bis an den Ruder-Anschlag gedrückt... Bis ich bei der Bremse die Switches aktiviere brauche ich enorme Kraft. Im MSFS hab ich Probleme die Bremsen einzurichten. Es gibt kein Default Profile. Man muss alles selbst suchen. Treiber scheint nicht notwendig. Mit der SimAppPro von der WinWings Werbseite kann man aber hinten noch 2 LEDs einschalten...
Thanks! Care to explain? I checked a million times and came to the conclusion that dampener is correct as well. Did I miss sth? Cambridge dict says: Meaning of dampener in English: a device that reduces vibration. Other sources say: "A dampener is someone or something that dampens. So damper and dampener can both refer to one that deadens sound vibrations. But damper does not work for something that makes something slightly wet."
Your definition is correct in that something or someone than dampens (i.e., that makes something damp) can be called a dampener. But a mechanical device (e.g. hydraulic or pneumatic) that deadens, inhibits, dampens movement or vibration is called a damper.
At least that is to my knowledge. I guess Cambridge implies that dampener is also correct (and it may well be) but to my knowledge a damping device for movement is called a damper.
@@vincentsantucci2478 Might be - but ... why? I've did a bit more digging and found out, that "dampener" seems to be a colloquial term from the US while the correct engineering related word would be "damper". So I'll use that instead in the future.
@WatchMysh yep, that's what I think - dampener is a generic term but the engineering term for that specific device is damper. I've only ever heard mechanics and engineers refer to it as a damper. But I'm neither an engineer, mechanic or linguistic expert! :)
Also missing: cam profiles for different centering and extreme forces.
That's correct. Thanks for pointing it out, I'll make a sticky comment. But ... "also"? What else is missing beyond that?
@@WatchMysh I think you're good. Well done review and I'm going to keep checking with you for new products reviews!
Outstanding video! I must say, the review videos you've been pushing out are far superior to anything I've seen of late. Keep up the good work!! I am quite impressed with WW's build quality, better than 90% of their competitors, by far, and their prices are quite reasonable. Though, their customer service needs a lot of improvement.
Thanks a lot! I'm putting a lot of effort into them and it's really nice to see it appreciated. Yes, I keep hearing people complain about WW customer service. Cant make out though whether it's a general problem or a loud minority. Only Winwing really knows... Did you also run into some problems with support?
@@WatchMysh Indeed, I did. I had inquired about getting a z-axis module and MFSSB Kit. WW said, basically, "No. You can't have them. You mere humans are too stupid to install them. They must be installed by us."
Yet, those, and other items WW refuses to sell, are listed on their website(s) as being "for sale", yet, for well over two (2) years now they have been constantly "out of stock".... And only now can you purchase an Orion 2 joystick base pre-installed with MFSSB. That is now the only way one can get it. So, yeah, WW's customer service is about as helpful as having a raging case of hemorrhoids while racing in the Tour de France.
Although(!), that is not to say I will not do business with them. They have an extremely high quality product of which few can match - let alone exceed. And it has a very reasonable price, too. So, yeah, I'll be going back, if only to get the rest of my soon-to-be sim pit.
installed mine this week, after several other brands in the last year. They are by far the best i have used so far, excellent for heli flying, and perfect for a320 as well. love the set !
Nice! :) I'm still happy with them, too. Which ones did you try out besides the Skywalkers?
@@WatchMysh VKB, turtle beach, Logitech. VKB’s are okay but no brakes and no dampener, the others were just crap, badly designed and a lot of friction, impossible for heli. The winwings are buttery smooth
@@butterflycam1052 Did you try out the "virtual toe brake" of the VKBs?
@@WatchMysh no, i try to be as close as possible to reality 😁 The feature i was missing the most is dampening and smoothness. The bonus of the winwings is the option to convert centering in a sec by adding / removing the spring. Just brilliant and overall thought out product. I have not tried the Virpils though, using all other gears from them but rudders
@@butterflycam1052 oh dammit. I'd be really interested whether it works reliably or not. You mentioned them not being as smooth as the WinWings?
Thanks for sharing! I've had the pedals for a while, and I'm impressed. They feel excellent and behave much like real rudder pedals.
Finally a proper review. Subbed!
Thanks! 🤗
Thank you for this great review 👌🏼
I searched for reviews of the pedals and found nothing for days but all of a sudden your video comes up, CZcams is so strange 😂
Thanks! :) Happy you liked it and it was helpful.
@@WatchMysh I'm currently looking for some pedals and winwings pedals just look the best and are all metal and have the three operational modes. And after your video I think I'm going to buy them because seeing that they are what they look in the winwing pictures it's almost a no brainer😂
@@suilui17 I think they are really good and well worth the price. I'd get another floor mat though. Winwing needs to supply a better one...
@@WatchMysh they are ordered 😂😂
@@suilui17 Lol. Have fun! :)
Thanks for the video, I am expecting delivery soon. Happy days.
Very high quality review thanks for sharing. If you’ve tried them, how would you compare these to the mfg crosswind or Virpil ace? Sounds like they’re in similar class for cheaper price.
Thanks for the appreciation :) I can't compare them objectively since it's the only high end set I own. But I plan to review the other pedal sets as well and make a comparison video then. Could take a while, though.
Winwing would smash it if they would a retrofit load-cell mod to replicate the already lookalike F16 pedals
I'm using the Milan Flight Gear Pedals and they are awesome. Especially because you can order different foot rests.
Back then, WinWing didn't have good pedals. I would have bought them, because I love the F16 Stick and throttle from them.
Never tried these. How are they? :)
@@WatchMysh oh, they are of quite good quality. Parts are created by CNC machine. It's a hard and dense plastic. Feels almost like hard wood.
The dampener looks like the winwing one. It was around 230€ and Worth it all the way. It is very stable and of good quality. It will probably be my first and last set of pedals.
@@moranjackson7662 interesting. Need to check them out.
@@WatchMysh He is from Croatia, i think, not that far away from germany.
@@moranjackson7662 Yeah it's not that far
Mine just arrived. First impression out of the box is that it's quality but there are no instructions anywhere, in print or online.
Really? Wait, I have a link to the according manual. It's mistakenly named "dampener manual". I'll contact WinWing about the issue. I've put the link to the manual into the video description and will pin this comment. Thanks for letting me know! :)
Thanks! There’s nothing on their rudder webpage either. They should at least have a little piece of paper with a QR code or something. Your video helped. I opened a ticket with them, too.
@@jdshkolnik Totally. Yes, open a ticket and tell them. No chance to get better without feedback.
Instructions in English are available on the Pedals webpage !?
But if you already completed anything from IKEA you don't need any instructions at all .-)
@@RFI-DE They've been added after Winwing got informed about their absence. They're also restructuring their document downloads at the moment.
What kind of screws are safe to use with these kind of metal controls?
The reason I ask is that there is something like galvanic corrosion might occur and I am by far not a metal expert.
I got myself some used Virpil control parts ( not a full hotas set yet) and I may need some screws to connect it to some desk mount.
Any stainless steel bolt/screw should do. You're not connecting copper to aluminium or similar.
These are 320 with the damper, but the turtle beach rudders are currently 170.... It's a tough choice! What would you do?
Tough. I'd say: get them without the dampener since the TB pedals also don't have one. Then the difference is "only" 100 bucks and you probably will buy your "forever pedals". The Skywalker set peforms a league or two above the TBs. For 170 the TB pedals aren't bad, though. A lot better than the 120-ish Logitechs. Still you'd need to prepare mentally to resist the urge to immediately sell them if you by chance try out some proper pedals like MFG, Virpil or Skywalkers, since the difference is huge.
Great review I cant find information anywhere except here about those tension screws for the pedals when I turn them all they seem to do is loosen the housing?
Thanks. I asked WW support and it worked for me. I just adjusted them slightly as proposed by the support and measured the resistance the pedals gave. Maybe they just were too tight in my case and interfered with the mechanism inside? And don't do a lot of adjustment at all? Would be an option. Have to check...
@@WatchMysh Thanks for the reply you have a new subscriber, keep up the great work
@@1Skymed Thanks! And welcome aboard!
Are these pedals now being called Orion rudder pedals instead of Skywalker? Looks the same.
Yes, they've renamed them
Hey man! Great review! Im watching all the reviews for each rudder pedal haha! I have the alpha and bravo from honeycomb but I’m looking to buy a pedal and I was about to press the trigger with the V1 (today it’s $30 off on Amazon) but I’m so confused with all these options, would you suggest to buy it anyway or spend a little more for the winwing?
Hey, thanks. :) sorry, but I have no experience with Honeycomb rudders. Can't help you with this decision.
@@WatchMysh actually is the V1 the velocity one rudder pedal 😅
@@DanuForhonor Oh. I thought maybe Honeycomb had a V1 rudder. Was new to me because I'm only aware of the Charlie. Get the WinWing. It's at least one league above the VelocityOne and the additional cost is worth it.
@@WatchMysh great! Just one last question please, how much time it takes to be delivered? In you case how much time it was? Thank you again! Really appreciate it!
@@DanuForhonor Depends on where you live. I got mine from the EU warehouse which took only 48h.
How does it stack up vs the MFG Crosswinds, Turtle Beach set and Virpil set?
Turtle beach is garbage
It's in another league compared to the turtle beach. I neither have a Virpil nor an MFG set, so I can't give an assessment on them.
@@MozTS It's not garbage, let's not over overexaggerate. Just cheaper and therefore not as smooth and robust as this one obviously. They will have a hard time selling it for 230€ though when the WinWing set is around now for 278€.
@@WatchMysh it's over priced garbage and you promoting this for their marketing is embarassing
@@MozTS If you call my review promotion then I suggest you never take a job in marketing. I also call it overprized and have zero ties to turtle beach. Bought the set with my own money as well as the stick. I'd gain nothing from promoting anything from them.
But most importantly: please either give a nuanced opinion in my comment section or stop commenting at all. It might be garbage in your books, that's okay, but support it with a proper explanation.
Also please refrain from baseless accusations and keep it civil. First and last warning.
How do you think this would go on a carpeted floor? I'm unsure if the anti slip mat or feet will stay put
Hard to say. Depends on the carpet. If the feet don't stay put some self adhesive velcro on them.
Nice kit! I have a question though: what is the purpose of the dampener? I can't seem to find any info...
Thanks! I explain it in the video. It's for flying helicopters primarily. But a little dampening also makes the whole mechanism smoother and more convenient to operate.
Fantástico.
What rug or anti slip mat did you have down before you placed the pad for the peddles?
Nothing. I've just put the WinWing anti slip mat on my wooden floor and placed the pedals on it.
@@WatchMysh oh I meant the mat your chair must’ve been on
@@joshharris2793 Yes, it's just my chair. Bought it on Amazon at some point during the precambrian era. I have no idea how it's called and what kind of material it's composed of. :D
@@WatchMysh what does the rest of your setup consist of because I own the winning peddles throttle and joystick
@@joshharris2793 you mean my PC? I also have a VR reverb G2, a trackhat head tracker and soon a tobii tracker.
wo kann man das am besten kaufen wo die Lieferzeit nicht zu lange dauert?
Direkt bei WinWing. Wenn verfügbar dauert es nur ein paar Tage nach DE weil es ein EU Lager gibt mittlerweile.
und kannst die pedale empfehlen? Hab aktuell die von Thrustmaster die 99€ teile, find die jetzt nicht so hochwertig, da ich auch in der Flugschule gerade meinen PPL mache.@@WatchMysh
@@WatchMysh bist zufrieden damit? Mache gerade meinen PPL und benutze aktuell die 99€ Thrustmaster Pedals ... nicht so geil die teile.
@@scabostar Die TM Pedale sind wirklich nicht das Wahre. Ich denke die Skywalkers sind das beste was man vom P/L Verhältnis her bekommen kann und sie stehen teureren Pedalen wenig bis nichts nach. Sind auch super universell. Speziell wenn man auch gerne mal Helikopter fliegt ist der Dämpfer und die Möglichkeit die Feder in ein paar Sekunden zu entfernen Gold wert. Das Sperren ist auch echt gut, weil man dann zB Fahrzeuge einfach per Toe Brake fahren kann. Bin immer noch total zufrieden mit dem Set.
Viel Erfolg beim PPL! :)
Ich hab sie auch direkt auf der Winwing Webseite gekauft mit der Auswahl EU.
Die Lieferung kam mit DHL. Geliefert wurde aus einem Lager in CZ.
Bestellt am 23.03. und geliefert am 27.03.24
Zusammengebaut in etwa 30min. Anleitung nur online!
Leider sind die Teile schwergängier als erwartet. Ich hab schon extra OHNE diesen Damper geklauft, weil ich mir schon dachte, dass der alles nur noch schwieriger macht.
Ich bekomme die Dinger praktisch nicht bis an den Ruder-Anschlag gedrückt... Bis ich bei der Bremse die Switches aktiviere brauche ich enorme Kraft.
Im MSFS hab ich Probleme die Bremsen einzurichten. Es gibt kein Default Profile. Man muss alles selbst suchen. Treiber scheint nicht notwendig.
Mit der SimAppPro von der WinWings Werbseite kann man aber hinten noch 2 LEDs einschalten...
What is this?
A good set of pedals
Where are these manufactured?
China
is it usb 2 or 3 pls
I have no idea but it should work perfectly fine on USB2. The standard is downwards compatible and there's not a lot of data being transferred.
Damper not dampener 😊
Thanks! Care to explain? I checked a million times and came to the conclusion that dampener is correct as well. Did I miss sth?
Cambridge dict says: Meaning of dampener in English: a device that reduces vibration.
Other sources say:
"A dampener is someone or something that dampens. So damper and dampener can both refer to one that deadens sound vibrations. But damper does not work for something that makes something slightly wet."
Your definition is correct in that something or someone than dampens (i.e., that makes something damp) can be called a dampener. But a mechanical device (e.g. hydraulic or pneumatic) that deadens, inhibits, dampens movement or vibration is called a damper.
At least that is to my knowledge. I guess Cambridge implies that dampener is also correct (and it may well be) but to my knowledge a damping device for movement is called a damper.
@@vincentsantucci2478 Might be - but ... why? I've did a bit more digging and found out, that "dampener" seems to be a colloquial term from the US while the correct engineering related word would be "damper". So I'll use that instead in the future.
@WatchMysh yep, that's what I think - dampener is a generic term but the engineering term for that specific device is damper. I've only ever heard mechanics and engineers refer to it as a damper. But I'm neither an engineer, mechanic or linguistic expert! :)
Now they just have to nail how to f_cking be able to buy the thing on their site.
Out of stock again? Ask customer service. They can usually give you a good estimate how long it'll take until the next restock.