Why Europe Has No Hollywood
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... At Making Money. They are great, calm down. But today Hollywood clearly dominates the medium. Once upon a time Europe was pioneering in film. What happened?
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0:00 Intro
2:14 A European Industry
7:30 The Rise of Hollywood
14:03 A Global Industry
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Small correction: Georgie should be Georges (Méliès) - sorry!
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Your map shows Denmark but you don't speak about it
Hollywood remakes Danish movies because they are great enough to made into an American version
It sounds a bit bias to me
Denmark is a small country but our movies inspires Hollywood today
Nordisk Film was founded on the 6th of november 1906 that's 6 years before Studio Babelsberg but I guess only big European studios that are no more interests you
2:17 Sounds like "In 1897" (and appears so on CC)- but of course it was in 1877
The new French Three Musketeers’ trailer itself is better than Disney’s Three Musketeers
Me explaining to a random how the assassination of duke ferdinand indirectly kickstarted the marvel cinematic universe
It was Disney all along.
@@Aluavin If you look closely at the photo of Ferdinand’s cold dead eyes, you’ll see Mickey Mouse in his pupils
The MCU is a bigger tragedy than WWI
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6:30 man i love how serious and in depth this channel i-
"shit escalates, WW1 happens."
.... Okay that was peak writing. wp.
I love how its said so flatly in the news reporter-esc voice. I had to double take at first to make sure I heard it correctly
Funny hearing the guy talk about weird reddit posts memes and trash tv on their german 2nd channel xd
I mean, those guys have a second channel in german where they talk about random trash tv stuff
They also called Edison a genius inventor in this episode, without laughing, which is really impressive.
Their German channel also strongly pushes the woke agenda
Sums up ww1 perfectly
Not mentioned is after WW2 McCarthy policies required all movies entering America from Europe to be screened and denied access for potentially harmful content, this further reduced the cultural and financial reach of European Cinema.
The House Un-American Activities Committee is not related to McCarthy even though people assume he lead it.
They had the rest of the world though.
Plus other than England I doubt many Americans of the 40s-80s wanted to see a major film in a different langauge in theaters.
More accepting now. But just thinking of what I know about the culture I doubt they would have gotten far.
@@baronvonjo1929 The rest of the world and what ways to view them?
Italian movies/collaborations were popular in USSR, sure. Besides that there was Japan, which is always a market hard to get into.
According to UN, Europe+USSR+USA had *87%* of the number of TV broadcasting transmitters worldwide in 1960. While you obviously don't need TV transmitter to watch a movie, there are cinemas for that, it kinda shows the difference in potential market.
@@baronvonjo1929They can just dub them. American movies are also screened in the local language in most places. Just that there is no willingness to do that.
McCarthy was a great man though
I really think language played a large factor as well. We see that the golden age of European film industries takes place during the silent film era. That meant whether it was German, French, Italian, American didn't matter as the dialog cards were all that needed to be changed.
American dominance coincides with English dominance (Chicken or the egg)
Not really, The German Expressionism era was in full swing during the 20's, but Italy became a cinema powerhouse after WW2 with its Neorealist cinema and France in the 50's and 60's with its New Wave. Although Hollywood films are more sucessful economically, European cinematic influences are felt in most of the films released ever since that era.
Language is not the issue, its jus how European movies are presented really..
If Europe wants to make exciting movies that the world wants to watch, then the European movie industry needs a bigger budget.
But it seems that movie making is about to change with AI around the corner, give it at least 2 more years and Hollywood has no more leverage on movie making since everyone can do it from home on their own computer, or on a smaller scale studio.
@@Siranoxz girl, whatchu on about? no
@@Siranoxzlanguage quite obviously is the main driver, from movies to pop culture to the internet (and US internet companies), and it's closely linked to a coherent, barrier-less, single language market. Mind you, English is by far the easiest language to learn. It's truly simple. So the barrier is extremely low. Even young children can easily learn it just through media exposure. I think technology aka. ubiquitous, free translation will probably affect that a lot more than you want to believe. Just give it 10 years and we'll see many more international players in the game.
@Stuntman175 you have a point but language absolutely plays a huge part in why US and anglophone countries dominate music and film etc
Good video. But it wasn’t just the sun that made LA the center of film production in the US. It was also the dryness. It hardly rains in California. And rain ruins external shots.
good point!
Wouldn’t money have a large role to play? Those are wealthy areas, and people of privilege are more likely to focus on film production…
@@BEAST.420GDid you watch the video? Hollywood film industry was built by Americans "escaping" the monopolistic control of Edison over film production in the East Coast, not by people born in Hollywood.
And Los Angeles itself was much smaller at the time with 300k people in 1910.
@@chinguunerdenebadrakh7022 Did you read my comment? Never once did I ever mention anything about Hollywood being the originators…
You pulled that right out of your ass lol. Perhaps you don’t realize that the Europeans who travelled to North America weren’t exactly ‘poor’.. matter fact they are some of the most privileged!
So yeah, your point being?
I always heard it was mainly so that studios could avoid edisson by choosing as far from new york as they could in the us and his goons wouldnt be able to reach them easily
Now we just need a video about the slow downfall of Hollywood.
moon did a video on that, check him out!
moon is a grifter
@@nazmulurrahmannazmul2681 I'm out of the loop on that one, could you elaborate please?
@@ShinigamiKristak He posts a lot of clickbait content that is meant to make people outraged. There is some truth to what he says but he blows the problems way out of proportion. Since people are more inclined to react towards negative media, Moon takes advantage of this.
Yeah fuck moon, his channel is the definition of "all talk no meaning". This channels is not as bad, but definitely should be taken with a grain if salt as well. I know the German channel they originally started out with, and it not only relies heavily on click bait, but is heavily politically biased as well. Sources are sometimes credited, but the level is _far_ from scientific.
You failed to mention the french cinema during 60s-80s and the movie industry in the eastern block, both of them were very massive
and both those are relevant to why europe has no hollywood in what way that it merits being mentioned?
Essays arent disney star wars where you want to have mentioning of stuff in lieu of a point, you ought to reason as of why it should have been included if you feel the need to moan over its absence
@@TheGahta I’d say that even with TV series, most messages or stories, even small tidbits, serve a purpose. This guy is just being obstructive.
There was a German-language series or movie called "The Lives of Others" and it was about young German adults living in Berlin in the 1980s.
They were big, but far from hollywood big.
@@TheGahta it is relevant, because that was the point of the essay, why does europe have no centralised, big budget, place, he provided france and EB as counterexamples.
I was going to spin it the other way, because of market niches if everyone makes blockbusters, blockbusters will stop behind profitable having to cut the cost, so european movie companies got away from the blockbuster towards the film-noar, comedy, budget films, and other cheaper to make, but high quality low coverage films that film enjoyers will enjoy, none of those mass produced toilet humor(unjustly overly cynical) move franchises trying to outclass the Simpsons in view time. Also some brain drain.
But not being public doesn't mean it's not there. That said i haven't seen the Italian film festival in recent years.
The world wars really put the breaks on European progress in many areas. People say that war can promote progress and innovation but these people should take into account that these innovations are often limited to military applications, at least for the duration of the war. They also come at the expense of other innovations, as ressources and research efforts are redirected towards the war effort and in the end the progress you make can rarely offset the destruction the war caused or the consequences it had on the economy, as millions of people had to leave their jobs to fight. Not to mention all the people we've lost who could have achieved great things.
Radar, jet engines, space travel, computers.
Just some of the innovations and inventions that happened during the few years that WW2 lasted. All European inventions as well.
The 'war promotes innovation' is very true, and these innovations really do find applications outside of the war. The thing is, that the US also benefited from the 'innovation' driven by war, but didn't have their cities leveled, and as a results was positioned to more easily benefit and take hold of these innovations immediately after the war.
@@Dennis19901yep war efforts once again .
I feel like this is one of the most important takeaways. Especially if we look into progress in the arts and culture sector - this is one the first whose funding gets cut in crisis.
Europe did not stagnate until the 2000s. Look at their GDP growth. It kept pace with the US until the 2000s. WW2 has nothing to do with it, in fact many modern innovations came from WW2. The stagnation is due to a myriad of causes like overregulation, low private investment, and a lack of high value industry like tech giants such as Google, Microsoft, and Apple.
One thing that people also miss is that European movies were effectively banned in the states until the 1970's because of their strict censorship. European movies were shown in the states but they were rarely officially released there and only really played in dingy back alley theatres in major cities. Which we only know because many European movies that are preseved today were only saved because they were found in locations like that.
The question is why couldn't anyone in Europe in a period of 80 years produce a single movie with mass international appeal? Probably for the same reason that in 25 years, Europe could never produce a viable search engine, even though companies like Thomson were given 4 billion euros directly from the French government with the explicit purpose of doing that.
@@user-yx2nl6le4l there were a few but they all got bought by yahoo
@@user-yx2nl6le4l Regarding the internet, Europe has data protection laws which seriously hinder progress. America didn't have those and became a perfrct hub for any form of IT development. Europe might have invested in a search engine, but America had all these social medias and forums, which they connected with their search engine. It was convenient and user friendly, and allowed for people to connect across the world, whereas the little bits and pieces of European social media were only domestic, therefore not interesting.
@@user-yx2nl6le4l Well it really depends how you look at it, several movies of European origin are being produced and distributed by American companies. At what point is a movie truly American?
@@user-yx2nl6le4lWell and then there's the fact that Europe isn't federated the way the US and Russia are. This is a place full of old cultures who have a long history of cooperating as well as animosity. You can't produce a film in Europe that appeals to all Europeans due to cultural differences, how the hell do you expect Europe to produce a polished, hegemony-flavoured movie that appeals to the whole world.
I think english as an international language also is a factor in the rise of american films abroad.
i think this is a really important point. Occasionally you will get a non-english speaker director who does manage to cross the barrier, but they usually make films in English : Guillermo Del Toro, Bong Joon-Ho, Yorgos Lanthimos, Luca Guadagnino etc
Also think so
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I would argue because of the dominance of Hollywood english became a world language. It wasn't the world language in the 20s or 30s.
American English is the dominant form of English now, spoken more than British English.
US is also large enough to thrive it's film industry, it's not really dependent on global earnings. Even today they make the most from domestic.
the "european films were too abstract for enjoyment by americans" part really makes me think because it's definitely true that most people prefer to watch films with a straightforward concept ("blockbuster" culture) which still applies today. productions made for money with nothing particularly special about them have been dominant for a really long time and i think it's reflected by the fact that we refer to movies as "content" now.
The high brow European cinema is a modern niche. It wasn't always like that. It used to have a wider appeal
@@hevnervalsTrue. I jusr think people got more stupid. Though at the same time movies that have funny person (a bit crazy), hero and villain are American winning formula.
Yep pretty much, my grandparents in Spain used to show me old movies and they were pretty good, see any Jacques Tati movie, but definitely too abstract
@@hevnervals au contraire....Cinema was way more intellectual in the second half of the '900 compared to today (at least in Europe). Less market constraints and more creative freedom. "Wider appeal" was due to quality and also to the fact that cinema was a more impactful tool in a society without other distractions. A great movie could be as influential as a book. Take Italy: Cinecittà had a golden age around the 50s and 60s, in terms of budget, themes, actors and directors. It went south once legendary directors died (Fellini, rossellini, visconti) and italian cinema became focused on comedies to make ends meet. The same applies to Sweden. The greatest swedish works, silent era aside, are all between 50s and 70s thanks to Bergman, Widerberg, Troell . Take Germany: Werner Herzog, Fassbinder and Margarethe von Trotta all made their masterpieces in the 70s and are all considered way more cerebral compared to modern german cinema. The biggest problem in Europe is that cinema is not as subsidized as it was 50 years ago.
there should be a balance between being abstract and fun i think thoese are the best movies
In my opinion, Europe has a lot of potential for filmable stories. Because Europe itself has a lot of history and no other continent has shaped the modern world like Europe.
That is if they are more in touch with their local culture than the American Ghost culture that infest every major city in the West even Dubai has it
Such an euro-centric approach. No other continent?
The whole world and cultures built upon each other, Enlightenment was direct inspiration from Mediterranean Islamic cultures, which were inspired from a mix of Persian, Greek and South Asian cultures, alongside inspiration of new philosophical and (then-modern) tech of China. Europe colonised the world, rewrote history to appear that they directly inherited everything from the Greek alone, and now they still control the mainstream media; silencing all media, arts and progress of non-Western countries and supporting genocide if it fits their narrative and new colonies.
Yeah. I feel like the US movies, just like Fern has described, are created just for economic purposes. So you get your feel good stories and endings and such. And now I am not saying that there are no US film artists that do not create deeper stories, but I, as an European citizen, get to see European films and they are just so very different. So deep, emotional, telling vulnerable stories and history. A lot of times they don’t even provide any closure, they just show difficult emotions and situations. And that is beautiful. But at the same time I feel like the market is just so much bigger for those “US made feel good stories”. Like I myself need both of these approaches like sometimes I just want to be entertained and sometimes I want to go to a cinema to learn something new. But at the end of the day, I feel like the classic European approach is much harder to sell even though the stories told in the films are so powerful and interesting. I wish there was this balance readily available across the globe. And that doesn’t apply to Europe only. I’ve seen some Asian artsy films as well and they too have a lot to offer. But again. Harder to come by. 🙃
Europe still doesn't have as much history as Asia and Africa.
@@jasonhaven7170 But significantly more than the US.
The French were certainly leaders in the field at the time, "a trip to the moon" is a classic example of early French cinema.
Korean production in TV series, Movies and Music is becoming so culturally significant for the new generation. Also the Japanese anime is almost dominating over disney and pixar productions in terms of popularity.
It's extremely odd that you scant Soviet Cinema, by far the most globally infliuential and dominant cinema of the 1920s...The battleship potemkin was the most influential film of the 1920s, even in Hollywood. It made its director Sergei Eisenstein the most photographed director in the world. Like what, USSR Isn't Europe or something?
The red scare and it's consequences...
USSR is communist and nonnegotiable.
99% of people can't name a single Soviet movie. The Soviet cinema was unimpactful
If there's ever a statement that will get a person laughed out of film studies I can't think of any other than the one just made by you.
1) Soviet Cinema was by far the most influential and impactful globally of any European cinema in the 1920s-1950s. The Battleship Potemkin influenced everything from The Godfather to Star Wars to DUNE.
2) You say 99% of people, when globally that includes countries like Asia, Africa, South America which were even more powerfully defined by Soviet Influence in various periods.
3) Angela Merkel, darling of EU, has said that her favorite film is Moscow Doesn't Believe In Tears, so even your centrist-liberal types don't qualify for your criteria. Try again.
@@ElvingsMusings Eisenstein has cast a long shadow over world cinema: Potemkin and Ivan the Terrible alone have been huge influences. The Odessa Steps sequence in Potemkin have been used over and over, notably de Palma's Untouchables where I think he even used the baby carriage. Lucas's Revenge of the Sith also utilised it as has Villeneuve's Dune and Gilliam's Brazil. Woody Allen parodied it in Bananas. I don't know if the Simpsons, South Park or Family Guy have parodied it, but I wouldn't be surprised!
I prefer the more "realistic" or "down to earth" productions that come out of Europe compared to Hollywood.
Especially when it comes to special effects, Hollywood loves grand explosions and loudness.
European cinema has explosions too, but they are more in tune with reality and doesn't involve 1500 gallons of gasoline.
It sends a better message overall to the audiences. And the focus is more on conveying the sensation than the visual.
I find it interesting how different countries have like national styles of cinema, the Netherlands for example has a very common, gritty style to it, you recognize it instantly, where as the French and Italians often have more bright colours and clean look to them, USA is very big, CGI and everything set perfectly, like unnaturally so.
Hollywood values creativities and inventions.
@@AndrewLoui hahahahahaha good one, what is this 2014?
@@golagiswatchingyou2966 For you, yes, it is 2014.
Bruh there are thousands of varieties in every movie industry, saying Hollywood isn’t down to earth is a massive generalization
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The first 'full length feature film" was actually Australian. It was about Ned Kelly. Australia had a booming film industry.
I don't think the movie industry can be compared to the music one because music is much cheaper to do. Anyone with a couple bucks can get a cheap guitar and recording. Movies are a massive effort that hardly anyone in post-war europe could afford.
Post war Europe they could afford them but chose to make abstract film instead.
“Anyone with a couple bucks can get a cheap guitar and recording” this isn’t true. More like a couple hundred bucks.
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Lingua Franca. America can make movies that are popular in 80% of the countries in the world because of how much the English language is spoken at some level. And the remaining 20% are so interested in what everyone else is doing that they certainly pay to subtitle it.
So unless you're making movies in English, good luck conquering international cinema. James Bond isn't an American film franchise and it qualifies for this just as much as anything from Hollywood. So technically Europe does have its own Hollywood it's just called Pinewood Studios. And it's still just essentially a duchy of the film industry.
The outcome of WW2 and the subsequent cold war ensured a pecking order that you see today. If Germany wins WW2, the German film industry would likely dominate the eastern hemisphere with the Japanese industry dominating Asia. The soviets also had a chance to become a dominant force but it really comes down to what each nations' sphere of influence is because where those spheres exist is where people teach your language as a second language. Imagine how many more German speakers there are going to be all across that continent, and now they're accessible to the German language film market. If Germany wins, the English language is going to be knocked down a significant peg in how many worldwide speakers it has.
Just the overwhelming amount of English is why Hollywood is basically a goldmine. It's also why mass culture is so apparent in it and why 'popular' and 'quality' often have little to do with each other. Lowest common denominator is incredibly important when you're selling a product to people who have a low level of language proficiency, so you have to do a lot more visual storytelling and it leads to an overrepresentation in films that are more action oriented that don't need a lot of listening to understand.
Even the English language has its nuances, most people are more likely to understand standard English(where most letters are pronounced) as opposed to say Welsh,Irish accents where some letters are simply glossed over. American English and I guess the London accent are the closest you can get to standard English
well, I've noticed more people watch anime now and often watch them without dub, people come for the product, if the USA stops making good product someone else will and replace them, it's not happening right now but there are some major cracks that could backfire hard.
@@golagiswatchingyou2966 yeah im unaware of europes opinion on japanese media, but its insanely popular in the usa.
@@damackabet.4611 I believe anime is bigger in Europe then in the USA, hell we keep finding warfootage of Ukrainian and Russian soldiers fighting with guns that have anime girl stickers on them.
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"How much the English language is spoken at some level"
But that level, especially if we go back 20 or 30 years, is most definitely not good enough to watch a movie in English.
Let's take Germany as an example (since I'm German). Even nowadays most German people are not able to watch a movie in English. They might get the gist of it, but they won't have an enjoyable time watching that movie in English. And because of that every single movie that's played on TV or in cinema is dubbed into German.
And that's the same for most other European countries. Larger countries dub the movies, smaller countries only sub.
But you will basically never find any movie that's just played in English.
With that knowledge I find it hard to believe that English being the Lingua Franca had much of an impact on this topic.
Studios' monopolies on theaters and distribution sounds familiar no? Streaming services owned by the studios? Independent Distribution platforms should be able to bargain and pick/choose content, irrespective of the studio that made it and stands to gain from it streaming.
The two aren't comparable. There's a limited amount of theaters in any area. There are far, far more potential streaming sites and distributors.
Writers, directors and showrunners usually approach multiple companies to buy or fund their projects anyways. They go with the one that agrees to it or offers the best deal. The exception would be established IPs that a streamer or its parent-company already owns.
I prefer Asian media nowadays. Hollywood feels so dumbed down and Europe is trying to do whatever Hollywood is doing.
Yea. Extremely low bar for stories.
Always get a feeling that it is made for mentally challenged people…
Also it feels more like some political agenda of representation and gender roles - no matter if the actual actors fit the roles of the stories.
I know what you mean. I don't care what they look like as long as they play their role well, but it feels like a lot of decisions are forced. Its probably just bad writers, executives being stupid, and greed; but thats why I hate Hollywood. Its all fake and not authentic acting. Its more about profit then the art. @@MetallicReg
Asian Media is pretty garbage honestly. Good luck watching a K-Drama without cringing. Anime (I watch a lot of it) also feels generally immature and not being as in depth in terms of character (or culture) compared to shows like 6 feet under or better call saul, or movies like Across the Spider verse or Forrest Gump
No you're just a simp for japan
@@MetallicReg”made for mentally challenged people”, because anybody who isn’t would rather read instead.
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One important aspect lies on technology as well. Holleywood processes the world's best VFX and computer vision technologies accompanied by the best hardware available. Without proper VFX, it's almost impossible to make a good science fiction movie at all.
Only due to the funding. Others could do it too.
True, but new technologies like wraparound screen stages like those used on the Mandalorian are starting to allow such productions on a cheaper scale. One that could be doable by the smaller European studios. Nordisk Film, the largest movie studio in Denmark for instance invested in one a few years ago.
Plus Danish movie productions do have a surprising amount of VFX expertise. Its just used more subtly, for instance to make the locations of shots look completely different from how they were IRL, to tailor a shooting location to the directors desires. Like if you want a scene at a train station by the beach, but the one local you can film at has houses behind it, you can get the VFX team to replace it seamlessly. And maybe make it a sunny day rather than a cloudy one too, and make sure it reflects off the train, tracks, platform, and everything. It's the kind of CGI you don't notice and which therefore make it succesful.
@@drdewott9154 Germany also has lots of talented vfx artists. The budget is the only real difference
Great stuff as usual, and very relatable too. It provokes deep thoughts about our own homegrown movie industry here in Nigeria- Nollywood. Obviously, there's still a long way to go in this regard. Bravo on job well done with this one Fern!
Europe used to have Babelsberg and in the 1930ies they were on the same level like Hollywood. They produced a new block buster each week. But than things went sour ...
No they were not on par with Hollywood. They never were. Movie industry started in Hollywood in the 1920s and was orders of magnitude larger than all of Europe combined. European movie industry was on par with the New York movie industry.
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The closest we ever got to Hollywood in Europe were the Italian movie industry, but their global movie industry died in 1980's.
All their movies were dubbed to English.
Let me tell you as a German:
German Films have mostly
- bad acting
- boring music
- uninspiring images
- uninspiring stories
I mean every sunday there is a NEW crime story. It’s quantity over quality!
Thats unfortunately true.
If they weren't so self-flatulating they might make something worth while.
We actually have some superb studios and great movies. But the state funding only covers the shitty stuff
@@MaticTheProto It's the same in Norway, cinema is not seen as a thing fit for the market but instead a cultural endeavour, meaning the state subsidize movies based on what a panel of artists feel like rather than what could make money and get popular
saw some in the 80's that usually featured a plumber coming to the house to fix a leak, the lady had no money, so the plumber took payment another way. If the plumber was busy, it was the window cleaner, or the guy delivering the milk, the car mechanic...
It's not strictly true. A lot of films like the Dark Knight trilogy is British -American co production. A lot of US funded movies get made in Pinewood in the UK.
Who puts the money in a movie, decides what the origin of the country is. Otherwise you'd be correct. Alien was also made at Pinewood Studios, byvan almost entirely English crew, but it doesn't on paper make the movie British, as the production company was American.
@@akyhne your right, a lot of movies are like this, Harry Potter is good example. Movie origins are not simple.
Britain barely counts as 'Europe' and they made it very clear when they decided to secede from the EU. No real attachment or bonds to the general 'Europe'.
do u not count norway, serbia, switzerland, bosnia, ukraine, etc as "europe" either? they're also not in the EU @@Killjoy_Mel
@@Killjoy_MelTo be fair most of the reason the UK voted to leave was to reduce immigration but the UK has a far left party called "The Conservatives" in power so they increased immigration.
I think this is the best time for European cinema to rise and show their movies to America, as I think most of the western world is sick of Hollywood movies and want a breath of fresh air
Or Hollywood to revert itself and make good movies again.
We are done with reboots, endless sequels, and dumb content and woke propaganda.
I personally do not care if I see a movie from India, Korea, Europe, Nigeria, Latin America, Japan or USA as long is a good coherent story that keeps me interested for 2 hours I welcome it.
America has blockbusters for the masses which no other country can do. But we also have smaller budget well written movies, with a good story.
Americans are too simple to understand films that are complex
@@Lgx-ie4if in the past couple years we made Oppenheimer, everything everywhere all at once, killers of the flower moon, 1917, just to name a few. But we also got big blockbusters more for kids, teens, and young adults. You think studios are just gonna make movies for old people where you have to think really hard. No we make it all sci-fi, thriller, horror, drama, romance, comedy, action. And are very successful in all these genres. If all you want to see is brain teasers, then so be it. But a lot of people want to watch a silly dumb action flick where you turn your brain off and just enjoy yourself every now and then.
@@Ace-mw9pm I must admit I did enjoy tenet very much but Nolans British American 😉
Being serious though too much of American media is way too in your face for me but I was also raised on different media across the Atlantic.
Even children’s media, here in europe its always slow relaxing and soothing whenever I saw American media it was the opposite haha
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Interesting analysis on the historical dominance of Hollywood in global cinema. It's a great blend of facts, history and influences that brought about its success. It's fascinating to think what could have happened if historical events unfolded differently.
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One aspect I miss in this video is the influence Television has in the industry.
Like Germany, UK and other European countries produce a lot that’s financed by public Television. It’s usually movies that are made for the average person of the individual country. And those movies are usually made by the biggest production companies of the country.
That definitely has a huge influence on the success of the industry. If you have companies that produce hundreds of TV police movies each year for “Tatort” and various other public TV movie series you end up with a totally different industry which definitely makes it more difficult to actually produce new stuff that’s meant to be successful in the whole world.
Also there’s actually some interesting development in Germany. The “Filmförderung“ is supposed to be changed next year to make it easier to get public funds from the German government as a film company.
But there’s no big details out yet.
Hope it can actually change something cuz we do definitely have great people in our industry and some great newer TV and streaming shows that already have the potential to become international successes. Unfortunately they’re usually not dubbed for international audiences. We definitely should start doing that more often too.
That government run industry must be the reason why European cinema was so bad.
It’s simple. Hollywood is in las Angeles. L.A. is in California. California is not in Europe.
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Same thing with Georgia, the Peach State.
Aside from not having a single industry but many national industries, it has to be said that european cinema has never been 100% about maximizing profit like american movies. Hollywood became a money machine. Often the best european movies between 50s an 70s tried to balance creative freedom, controversy, politics, social commentary. On one side the main goal is selling, on the other side the goal is to convey ideas (not special effects). They're simply historically different approaches. Hollywood golden age (1930s and 40s) for example was comparable to the great european movements and combined success, entertainment, intellectual content and innovation.
Great video! Also at 3:29, it's Georges Méliès, not Goergie ^-^
Because while Hollywood was being built Europe was rebuilding itself after WW2, they didn't have time to develop cinema and their people couldn't afford the luxury of going to the movies or buying a television when just last year they were annihilating each other with flamethrowers and 3,000kg of bombs. And since the US had the film tech since Edison, it was already far ahead by the time WW2 ended and well, here we are.
How about Japan? They also suffered after WW2. South Korea only started to get wealthy after the Korean War ended.
Hollywood was around long before WW2. In the mid 1930s a typical top ten US movie would have been bigger than all of the top movies combined in Europe.
very informative!
Mexican cinema was very successful in Yugoslavia.
Hollywood is a big advertising firm for USA
Nope. It is American culture. Not an advertisement.
You had truly European cinema in the 60's and 70's already. French-Italian action comedies would routinely top domestic box office there and also do well in Germany and Spain, then you have the "Weihnachtsvierteiler" co-productions between Germany and France (which were huge in scale) and the Spaghetti Western. For a Few Dollars More was an Italian-German-Spanish Production and Thre Great Silence was an Italian-French Production which pitted a French hero (Trintignant) against a German villain (Kinski) and then ofc Budd Spencer and Terence Hill who became far more succesful in Germany than Italy and started catering to that.
The 80's is when all of that truly declined and both German and Italian cinema completely imploded.
You're overplaying the role of Germany quite a bit but the overall concept is true
I feel like the exclusion of this period if a big miss for the subject of the video. The European cinema of 1960s-1970s (or even up until 1990s) was quite commercially successful both in the local markets and the US.
Where François Truffaut's movies take place, great friend of Spielberg and Lucas btw.
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3:46 oh man, I love how serious they Produce the Videos... oh 😂
calling thomas eddison a „great inventer“ feels a little unsettling ._.
I must say, I absolutely love how you skillfully introduced that brilliant platform. This is my first time here, and your captivating storytelling had me hooked right from the start. Fantastic work! It's fascinating to see how American companies and industries strategically capitalized on the 'opportunity' presented by post-war markets, especially in the realm of film and movies. They truly maximized their profits and boosted their industries, as is their motto in all things. The late entry into the wars also worked in their favor, allowing them to portray themselves as heroes and defenders of justice in many of those movies, further enhancing the brand of the US as a global force. It's remarkable how this genius strategy has been used and continues to be effective. Additionally, let's not overlook the role of the US Mafia and figures like Bugsy in 'assisting' Hollywood in reaching its prominence during that time. These are just my two cents, and I hope nobody takes offense. Thank you for sparking such an engaging discussion!
Nice editing 😮🔥
And most of the best actors and film makers moved from Europe to California.
Not even true. Some made the transition but most US film was domestic talent.
It always comes back to Archduke Ferdinand, doesn't it?
Great video, I learn something new every day 😃!
This video was edited and narrated very well 👍
"Shit escalates, WW1 happens..."
It's a simple reason why America is dominant in nearly every field: scale. A Californian can get investment, labour, ideas, etc from the entire continent and if they can't, they can go to another state with no barrier. In Europe, even now, things are split up between different countries, cultures, languages, etc.
Very true, I commented earlier that if Hollywood can't get the big funds for a TV show, we tend to go to Canada. Georgia also is growing in the film industry, and other independents are popping up, even in Hollywood there is support for the independent films.
And don't forget. One of the greatest strengths our country has always had is that it is made up of everyone else. America can be great often because it is the culmination of nearly every country's culture, to a degree. Not its own thing per se but often made up of the cultures brought over here.
@@evil993Americans say that but it's all under one monoculture.
Some states where French was spoken were literally forced to ditch their language and switch to English. People who spoke French were mocked. Foreign culture is often reframed and retrofitted in US. It never gets added to American culture in it's original form.
It's basically a spin of Anglo-culture from UK, absorbing and taking from other cultures in a twisted fashion.
Not true. EU law says that anyone can work and live anywhere in Europe. That's why we in the UK are so pissed off with Brexit because it removed those rights. I lived in Germany for 2 years in the mid 2000s and I just went there and got a job and a flat. No paperwork needed.
As for languages, well. That's really on you for not bothering to learn them. It's not that hard.
America embraced freedom and the free market. The vast majority of American trade is internal between the states. Once their film industry figures that out it will boom again.
Im starting to dig your videos.
I definitely see it. Polskie Legendy Allegro have far better scenario and CGI than newly released Marvel movies.
I think one big factor was the fear against each other in Europe and effects that come when we give into them. For example for me as a German person I find it ironic that the fear of France and Britain that Germany when it was a super power could become dangerous helped those people that wanted to do what the Entente feared.
The fear which motivated to say that one has to be the looser and has to be punished just further feed the flames of distrust and fear which gave the fascists more power.
The way that Germany was treated after WW1 and WW2 left a lot of conflicts unresolved especially in East Europe. A lot of injustices where either justified as punishment e.g. in case of Germany in and after WW2 or in case of other countries in East Europe not even acknowledged
e.g. Soviet Union re: Poland.
At lot of unresolved conflicts all over the world not just in Europe cause more tension and fear.
Sorry for talking so long about this but so much of the old conflicts are coming back to us.
I think one of the best thing the EU brought us that countries talk to each other, especially those that are not immediately close to each other, communication has improved.
Being connected and everything feeling smaller makes war less likely I hope.
We just should try to not look away from people that want to use the fear of others for their own gain.
War between EU states is impossible in any shape or form. The days of people actually fearing conflict are long gone. There is no fear of "the other" because there is no "other". The problem in the EU today is depoliticization on a national and EU level not about revenchism from WW2.
"The way that Germany was treated after WW1 and WW2 left a lot of conflicts unresolved especially in East Europe" Germany does'nt get to play the victim card, don't push it too far. We all forgave you, and the americans made you a superpower once again, and you still betrayed trying to take control of the energy with the russians. Stop it. seriously, it's annoying.
I don't watch content farm content, but Europe has a thriving native and arthouse scene. Please lay down the crack pipe. Just because the average American from the boonies might not know of the latest megaphenomenon in German cinemas or the most acclaimed French auteur project screened in Cannes, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Congratulations. You missed the point of the video.
This is such incredibly good stuff. I always learn so much!
16:48 when I asked you to make an English version of the military/hollywood video, I didn’t mean a 3 second montage 😢
I get what you're saying, but Britain has contributed to some of the most iconic movies, series, acting, dramas, classics etc. in history. Just because the UK is behind the US, doesn't make it ''irrelevant''. The UK has the 4th largest ''Filmed Entertainment'' economy.
I was thinking this too. British film making is a massive industry, it's just a shame our talent usually gets thrown in together with Hollywood. It's almost like what British contribution to film making is seen as well American by extension.
Berlin could definitely become the European center of the film industry. I mean there’s at least one Hollywood movie or Series a year that is filmed here. Like the new Hunger Games movie, The Queens Gambit, Russian Doll etc. were all filmed in Berlin and a lot of the workers on these projects are based in Berlin. I know people from Russian Doll and Queens Gambit who actually played small roles in those movies. They’re German Berlin based actors. I also know someone who made some significant props for the new Hunger Games movie. Also Berlin based.
The current industry here works basically with big American companies that invest into these movies but majority if all workers being based in Germany. Just the roles on screen are usually not played by Berlin based artists.
I guess that the current potential we have with all those Berlin based people who contribute to massive film projects could definitely lead to a new German film industry. There’s also a recent change with more German movies that are actually successful internationally. All quiet on the western Fron of course won but we also have a lot of Academy Award winning and nominated Germans in the last couple years. So we do definitely have some potential we just need the investments from actual German companies and not just Hollywood studios that use our industry to create American cinema by using our industry.
i was in the middle of watching your latest video when it suddenly disappeared?!
also, the link to hoog in the channel info leads to a random channel with 8 subscribers
Great video, but noticed a small error in the map of Europe, you're showing the correct borders of countries at that time. But the dutch province Flevoland was not yet made (pumped dry) at that time (before 1942)
Holy shit... you guys got Colonel Sanders, the German Film Professor in one of your Videos 😮
While I think it is true the music industry is more balanced between Europe and the US, I think at least part of that is down to the UK's incredibly outsized influence on the global music industry. While other European bands do achieve international fame from time to time, it is the UK and US that still dominate the industry internationally.
Don't forget about German music and German musicians. A lot of bands are from Germany (Boney M, Alphaville, The Scorpions, Rammstein).
Also, with the rise of the electronic music, many French musicians had huge influence on the industry.
@@RetsamX Sure, but they're not going compete with the roster of internationally famous British bands, especially during the 20th century.
@@Croz89 Why not?
Also, I mentioned this because a lot of people complained about not enough countries being mentioned in the video so I thought it would be fitting to add on here since you also only mentioned one country.
@@RetsamX No offence to the Germans, but several of the most famous bands, in the entire world, ever, are British, the Beatles, the Rolling Stones, Queen, and so on. Of all that you mentioned Rammstein comes the closest.
I'm not saying German bands are inferior, but it's well known that a large amount of Britain's cultural soft power comes from its music industry.
@@Croz89 of course they have some of the most popular bands. But you make it sound like these half a dozen bands make every other European band irrelevant. I was using Germany as an example for the huge quantity of bands which you didn't mention.
You’re forgot to mention also that mobsters not connected to Edison in New Jersey and New York were shaking down the studios too.
In the scene of Gavrilo Princip shooting Franz Ferdinand, you've depicted him holding a revolver. Princip actually used an FN semi automatic pistol :)
Nice topic
Apply the same criteria in reverse to the field of Science; you immediately realise why the U.S. has no particles collider, while Europe does...
If America wanted to they could. They can pay for anything.
everyone in
1900 : watching 15 minutes films
1950 : watching 90 minutes films
2020 : watching 15 seconds videos
Fascinating question. I had never thought about this before.
new fern video lets gooo
Not even mentioning early Russian or Swedish cinema is crazy!
Oh didnt you know - there are only two countries worth mentioning, when it goes about culture and history: US and Europe (Germany)
Yes, let's make a 2 minute segment about every country that had a huge film industry and make a 50 minute video!
@@RetsamX I don't think you know what "mentioning" means
@@nufo5878 I do know what that means. But you either just "mention" a bunch of different countries or you need to honor them equally with a segment. So you just want them to list some countries in a monotone sentence with no additional input?
@@RetsamX Yes. But not some countries, only two more countries. It's not that hard to understand, man.
Excellent video!
Learned something new, and died laughing at the summation of WW1 😂👌🏼
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You got something wrong… Muybridge conducted the experiment in 1878 not 1897. The film had a widely growing interest in 1897 which is why it is associated with that year. This is important to know because the “Roundhay Garden Scene” (1888) is considered the first actual film because it was a continuous recording on film rather than just a series of photos.
Europe needs to find a way to make European based movies more popular in domestic territory first before they ship elsewhere.
Why?, because Europeans themselves need to be encouraged to evolve their entertainment sector into a bigger budget and profitable industry so the rest of the world will recognize the creativity all of Europe can provide, the progress has to be gradual though.
And it seems that Americans themselves are growing tired of their own celebrity culture in Hollywood over making good movies.
But in general the whole world needs entertainment from all places and not just the US, the US monopoly and hostile acquisitions on many entertainment sectors needs to stop and give lean way to other countries..
European productions tend to upkeep the sense of reality in their movies. America does not, and have become incredibly cringe and cheesy. Look at modern action movies and compare them to action movies from the 80's, 90's, even the early 00's. Look at the first fast and the furious and look at the newest ones. The driving is completely ridiculous. There is also always the hero story in there. There is always the one hero that saves the day, usually the main character. Look at the new top gun movie. Completely ridiculous. Hollywood can't even make accurate biography movies. I'm looking at Sully, where the only thing accurate, was the landing. Everything after that, was complete bull****. They made it look like the NTSB tried to put the blame on the pilot, when that in reality never happened. In fact, the NTSB strongly praised the real Sully. So Hollywood is really nothing but cheap entertainment with huge budgets.
Italians do not watch German movies and that is how movies work in Europe. They are small market affairs.
wait, was this not called "why europe does not have its hollywood"?
Josephine Baker was not making films in Paris during WWI. She didn’t get to France until the 20s
It‘s impressive how the movie industry changed from the first motion picture movie to the modern science fiction movies. The first world war influenced the movie industry immensely by increasing german economy and developing movie production.
I think two other factors are 1) the coolness factor with certain aspects of American culture, and 2) Euopean movies seem to tend to be miserable or odd or tragic, when most people want a bit of escapism.
No, the biggest factor is funding, budget and marketing. Actually here in CZ, Prague Barrandov film studios we film many Hollywood blockbuster. Hollywood became international long time ago, people just don't know it.
french movie export was pretty strong in 90s/2000s though
In art house theatres not in culture.
@@Art-is-craft yyy how about no? Which art house used to screen Taxi, Leon or Les Visiteurs - literally first 3 movies when you type most popular 90s french movies and it does sound about right for these 2 to be on the top spots, the 3rd one though I don't think is that popular, I'd chose something else as 3rd.
Even going back further to 60s-70s it's not any kind of artsy pretentious movies but comedies such as 7th company and basically anything starring De Funes that are well known all over the world
I'm used to endless clones of channels like these but this has a suprising amount of substance! Good job 👍
I was so scared you were going to say "at the birth of a nationa" at the end 😭
How do the numbers look if you account for things like Anime, online streaming, and CZcams, etc.
America doesn’t make anime but we make cartoons and dominate in streaming and CZcams also.
American cartoons make far more money than Japanese anime. Super Mario movie released last year made 1.3 billion
@@millevenon5853isn't Super mario Japanese?
@@millevenon5853mario is a Japanese game character 😂
My beef is with the writers for film and there lack of creativity, and AI isn't gonna fill the gap between because AI doesn't understand human nature.
Myself who have read the epics of the ancients and seen so many films since the 1910s till today, and read the great literature of the last centuries, i can understand people because I've understood it through other peoples eyes
congratulations for your video
i see the thumbnail change good choice, tthis one is better!!!
American movie companies have been dying for like a decade or more now, I wouldn't be surprised if things change.
No.
Hollywood has lost itself
Jacksonville fl was the big film maker before Hollywood. There was plenty of sunshine and transportation south of Jacksonville was difficult. I can't believe you didn't mention Jacksonville