HELIUM TANK FOUNDRY - EASILY MELT METAL AT HOME! - ELEMENTALMAKER
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In this video we start with a free helium tank that was being tossed out and end with a glowing bright orange foundry! After cutting the tank into an upper and lower section, we insulate the foundry with Satanite and Insulating wool. This eliminates the need for homemade refractory that only last a few firings.
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Thank you for posting sub + 1 ,
ElementalMaker what size bag of satanite did you need for this size of foundry?
Thanks
Hey mate, at the risk of sounding like an internet-smatguy, you can do the same with vinegar over several hours.
Thats a nice corvette in the background, do you still have the car?
I really tried sticking through the entire video... a lot to teach my kids about how to handle equipment from HCL to drills, etc. You can always learn something especially when the maker has done a good jobn filming and talking through it. Nice work EM.
Love this dude! Doesn’t edit out his fuck ups. Shit happens and he doesn’t pretend otherwise. Keep rock’n brother!
Looks like the best yet! I just started researching metal working! Thanks. Joe
Really hope you crack that refractory diy mystery! If anyone can you cold, I believe in you!
AWESOME! This was really cool thank you for sharing this! I will be making one of these in the future so this helps me.
I did a propane tank foundry and removed the valve the same way you did with a holesaw. It was a adventure for sure. I used fire clay and vermiculite as refractory and it worked really well.
I'm a fridgy, and have a lot of scrap copper and these jugs lying around. Made one of these foundrys a month ago and she goes well. Thanks for the inspiration.
I actually just cut one of those exact tanks up this weekend, and should have watched this first. My grinder was overkill, so I ended up cutting it with my handheld jigsaw. Worked like a champ.
I've been holding on to a tank exactly like the one you are using here in this video to try and make it into a foundry and somehow I found this video. Thank you so much for making it because now I know exactly what I need to do you are awesome!!!!!!!
Hi Prep stepper,
I Also have exactly the same tank, but I don't know how to get sure there is no Helium left in it ? I heard that you should inject some water inside the gas tanks but don't know how to proceed here.
Could you help me with that ? I'm afraid to start cutting and blow the shit out haha
Thank you in advance !
@@raonimoisan4614 Helium isn't flammable, and you can cut into a helium tank with anything, no need for venting or a washout. Propane tanks on the otherhand...
Also have the same tank
Your videos are as funny as illustrative. Really laugh and enjoy watching this, and the one before. Thank you very much man, you really help me with a project I'm working on. Greetings from Colombia
How did your project work out?
2020 Calling?
As a retired automotive ASE Master Tech, this stuff is fascinating watch someone use their noodle to make stuff in the shop. I really had to laugh out loud in the garage when you started talking about post “This will kill you, etc.” I think some of these people grew up snacking on Lead Wheel Weights! I am not going to tell you how to build like others, but tips on some tool issues. #1 hole saws have the same drill bit but breaks off once cutting hole. I change the drill bit out, replace it with metal rod stock the same size to save drill bits.
#2 After drilling holes and they are off or need larger perhaps offset, I found it works great to chuck a rat-tail file of the right size or end to other end to fit. Once in the hole, wearing welding gloves, but place a 4-6” length of gas/water pipe (Even Conduit), but you can steer the rat-tail file any direction and reverse it if climbing up hill the wrong direction. This one works great and hogs the hole out where you want it. I was surprised when I tried this about 15 years ago. Just a couple of new option for the creative guy and getting it done.
Oh, fire can give a Boo-Boo if you touch it! LOL!
Subscribed, liked and saved it to my favorites folder. Thanks for the video and info!
Thank you for giving me motivation. Ive literally had the exact helium tank already cut up and ready to be put together for a furnace, and also an old 100 gal propane tank cut up to make a forge (swap burner between the two). And they have been sitting off to the side in my shop as "not priority projects" as other jobs that im actually getting paid for came in. I just finished up a pneumatic power hammer for a local blacksmith and considering he already has forges, and i happened to watch your awesome videos over these builds, im gonna get them knocked out. Subscribed and probably gonna binge the rest of your videos lol
I swear i wrote this comment before the end of video where you mentioned the same thing. Great minds think alike
New to the channel, and you're an instant favorite. Good humor and invaluable knowledge. Keep it up.
Thanks a bunch Danny! Glad to have you aboard 👍
ElementalMaker great video! Thanks for sharing the build!
I don't know it all, but I was a plumber for many years. You should neutralize that acid with some baking soda or it may keep eating away at your fitting. A water rinse works to some extent but it usually fails to get into all of the "pores" of the fitting.
P.S. I also worked with galvanized pipe and fittings every day for many years, tinning and soldering galvanized sheet metal etc., etc., and I did not get any "zinc poisoning."
I don't know how you can stand to work with that insulation barehanded. Every time I work with that stuff I itch like crazy from the fibers that get embedded into my skin. I'm itching just watching you work with it.
Love what you did with thia build i made one just like it need to finish it up soon its all most done looks like it going to work well good job
Commentary on these videos is just as great as the content.
Solid work, man.
Turn the top until it all lines up as it did when you cut it and mark the top and bottom so that it will line up correctly every time and limit your leaks!
Simple, easy construction and good video! Enjoyed your burner video, too!
"Fukn heavier than I thought" lmao. You're killing me. New sub my man. Wife's been after me to get rid of the helium tank from a birthday party forever. Now I can tell her to suck it, I got a reason to hang onto it. Looking forward to more
Thanks for your sub David! Glad you enjoyed!
A couple of suggestions for future projects: As you mentioned propane tanks but also electric (probably gas too) hot water heaters offer a great variety of sizes for different uses. They generally fail because of the anode and elements so are still in good shape as far as the tank goes. Free is also nice. The other suggestion is a technique I have used and I am sure many others for making the lid fit perfectly every time. Use a piece of 2" strap (or whatever size) 14 gauge or so and cut it oversize for the circumference of your lid. Weld and bend as you go around the cut surface fitting and end welding as you complete the circle. Voila a perfect fit over the bottom section of the tank or forge. It also gives a very good surface for attaching a hinge. I made a rod oven with water tank and kept the insulation (I stripped only where I cut it apart) using this method.
I wonder if anyone has shown how much fuel is needed for different sized foundries? I have access to outboard motor blocks and would like to make a fairly large size one to alleviate excess cutting but don't want to spend a fortune in fuel. There must be a sweet spot? I am sure at some point you need more burners to even out the heat too? It would be ideal for me to have about a three or four gallon crucible. Great video. Take care. Doug
Thanks for dealing with that galvanized fitting. Now I have nothing to complain about!
I'm just here to make you happy John Haha
I absolutely cannot wait for you to get into forging! I'm a blacksmith myself, so that'll be much fun!
I got myself an old 1890's Trenton 89lb anvil! So the time is coming!
To cut a tank more evenly screw 4 casters and an end post to the top of your bench. Put the tank on the casters with the butt end pressed against the end post. Now you can hold the cutting wheel still and spin the tank to cut the top off.
do this all the time its great
Gonna have to do that next time! Thanks for the solid advice!
Also weld some was halfway in the lower half. This will hold the lid in place so it doesn't slip off. And it will help keep it centered.
@@ElementalMaker a piece of advice for any future forge making, use steel bolts (not galvanised ofc) to secure the wool, if long enough it'll also double as feet for the lid so it doesn't come in contact with the ground/concrete/etc
@@shadowmaster335 do you mean instead of the welded box at the bottom?
I just found one of these tanks in a dumpster that I grabbed up to build a foundry. Little did I know I saved this video 2 years ago. Perfect!
Awesome! Can't beat that!
Excellent been wanting a furnace / Forge. Not even try case hardening at least on something not real valuable. Thanks, great video again, thank you for spoiling us.
no worries on the zinc... Good on you for addressing it and fixing it in an informative way.
Cool project! I have at least 2 of these tanks. Now I have a use for them. Thanks. If you extend your base you could add a cradle for the burner to maintain alignment.
I thought to my self why is the glove on the other hand then you said some thing and I laughed so hard!! Something I would do in my shop great video
Hello, un très grands merci pour les deux excellentes vidéos, MERCI BEAUCOUP,
My mom used to fire up her electric kiln to cook her ceramic painted dish ware. She used little ceramic cones, like an inverted ice one only just an inch high. To tell her the temperature. You don’t have a thermometer on the furnace. I’m sure you can buy the cones in various heat ranges to tell you the approx temp in the forge if that is something you need to know. Her kiln could get to a couple of thousand degrees if I remember correctly. Good luck with your project
JoeB
For any future cutting projects, electric carving knife ( like for carving turkey) works great for cutting this type of material plus extra long blades make for much smoother cuts!
Great video... I have been wanting to build one of these for some time.
Thanks for the build. Just finished and fired mine up today. (R134a bottle).
Far out, (age showing) I did this exact same thing in 2006! Great project.
Very cool I just found your channel and I love your stuff ...I will follow your videos Out standing..now I have to build foundry
Thanks!
Great Video! I would pack wool in the hole around the burner as well and make a hanger to hold the burner in place like a rest or something. Keep up the good work!
John Sellers I appreciate it! Thanks for checking out my channel!
I like your style! And your honesty. I like the fact that you show your mistakes and how you take them as part of built. Niiice!
Thanks a bunch Andre! Glad you enjoyed 👍
@@ElementalMaker At this time im still wandering in your channel. Im having fun with silver coins xD
Brilliant video man I'm loving it, I'm in the process of building one of these from an old 13kg calor gas tank. I don't know if I should go for the kale wool or just use some briar buff clay with a lot of bentonite and aluminium silicates but I have the clay already and I've got a few of the tanks so I think I'll maybe use the clay for a coal heated tank and eventually go butane powered with a kale wool tank if that seems to be the way to go. Super interested to see this in action and what you do with cans cause I've saved a few hundred myself.
not sure what impresses more; your ingenuity or the fact you still have all your fingers
Great info from this guy.Im learing so much from his channel.Thanks man.
That means alot Michael, I appreciate hearing that your enjoying it! Thank you for checking out my channel.
Th tape as a guide is a nice idea. Will have to use that next time I cut a pipe.
Awesome, well done. Thanks for sharing.
Nice video, loved the glove on the wrong hand. Guess that's better then mixing moonshine with power tools.
The foundry is cool, but I wanna see more of that Vette!!! 😲😲
Great job mate. Well done.
Absolutely agree with the grinder. I had a disk break on my yesterday and it cut the leather on my boot down to the steel. People don't get it until it's to late
I know I'm two years late but might I suggest if you haven't already done so: add a second side hole hooked up to a blower or heat gun which should increase your temperature quite a lot and give you more uniform heat in the cyclone. You also need a slag hole in the bottom in case a crucible (When...) cracks and spills all over the base. You can also plug the gap in the burner hole with the scrap fire wool. I'm working on my next foundry this summer. How did yours handle these past two years?
Man I love your vids, your workshop is an awesome place!
Subsonikronic thanks I really appreciate it! Just moved and am setting up my new workshop!
Great tutorial. I'd be interested to know how well the insulation has held up over time.
You might be surprised. I bought a foundry like that pre-made and it was even about the exact same color. I got it up over 2500*F and the paint held up surprisingly well
Nice! Hope mine holds up as well!
at first i was like yeah people are boring with their comment about the safety and security stuff
but after i saw your way of working i understand their way of thinking :)
you are a random clumsy dude
Buuut you do deliver a Job Done
Fennex OsDz this was a bit more haphazard than my usual work since many of my tools are at a remodeling jobsite
Good stuff man...good humor 👌🏻👌🏻
I enjoy your videos. When we first started using our Kiln we tried to use Aluminium cans. The cans have a lot of waste products in them. There's paint and a clear coating inside. I'm not sure what else but we stopped using them, because we had a large amount of dross to skim off. If you can get aluminum from other sources might be better.
I enjoyed your video and believe it or not, I have no advice or should've dones to offer. lol Good job.
Keep it coming brother! Subscribed. Love the content!
Thanks a bunch! More on the way!
Very interesting viewing keep up the great teachings
Emmett Toomey will do! Thanks for checking out my channel!
Cool video. Man I love that Gum Cutter, as an Armorer I use it all tje time, greatest bug killer ever! Remember, when casting your AR Lower, use only soda cans. They are made of a higher grade alloy to resist the acid due to the citric and ascorbic acids used in sodas.
but you need alot of them and here in germany we get 25ct for each... well im not doing real castings anyways, im just doing it for fun and pour it into what i feel like right now
Soda cans actually have a thin coating of epoxy inside of them, that is mainly what resists the acids in soda.
My dad's been a welder (among many other things) my entire life - I instinctively looked away when you started welding lmao... Even on a video, it still feels weird to sit and watch it.
Nice work Tks for sharing.
I STARTED IN JR HIGH WITH MY BROTHER BUILDING SAND RAILS , I DID WELDING FOR 27 YEARS & HE IS A WELDING INSPECTOR FOR THE STATE
Thanks for the videos they are great water glass is a great adhesive for the kaowool keep them coming
Robert Anderson appreciate it Robert! Thanks for checking out my channel!
Sand and plaster of Paris 50/50 mix works really well about an inch thick and it holds the heat..outside you can touch and not even warm to the touch.
Unfortunately that mix only lasts a few firings before cracking to oblivion. Proper refractories like used here will last hundreds of firings without issue.
thank-you I going to try doing it after seeing you it is not that hard thank s for the safty tips
Nice Work 👍
I might start making videos, I'm sure it would force me to keep my bench clutter free😁. BTW: Nice forge!!! Thank you!
I have five benches. As of last night they were all so cluttered I couldn't even fit a paint can LOL. I spent some time organizing. Filming definitely helps you keep it cleaner!
Greate entertainment and technically interesting - every time!
you have a awesome content, more videos please!
For cutting those large CIA holes those bits that have the diamond bits coating the edge work great!!
Nice job!
I just got some ceramic blanket recently and it is surprisingly heavier than expected.
Matthew Wilson it does have some heft!
Awesome i learned something brand new.
Glove on the wrong hand😂😂 i like this guy xD
Bet your gonna be itchy as hell from the ceramic fibers have fun!
I just found myself a helium tank that was being thrown out as well! The same one! Time to make a foundryyyy >:)
Sweet find!
Definitely subbed! You remind me of the older days of AVE, which I actually like better than what he's doing now. Your burner is definitely running rich if you're getting that 8 inch flame out the top. I'd be willing to bet it'll burn closer to neutral when you really let her rip though. The Venturi will be much more efficient with higher gas flow so I wouldn't change orifice sizes just yet. My burners run rich when turned down low, but are almost perfectly neutral at 18-20 psi.
Learning the Hard Way thanks very much! Yeah it does seem to be a bit rich depending on where it is in the pressure range. Glad to have you subbed!
A suggestion, if I may. If you had punched out the valve and turned the unit upside down before cutting the other end off you would have been able to use the handles as a stand and have a nice drain hole for the day when your crucible fails and fills the bottom of your furnace with molten metal (just make a plug you can knock out to drain the melt). Nice job though :)
Thanks man. What a genius badass
Some bar stock and lag screws will hold down the helium top. Use some 2×4 material as a surround to help keep 'er in place.
Or try drilling while it's a complete tank. Strapping her down is always a good ideer.
Love the idea. How is it holding up?
When I find the space I’m going to build myself one of them!
Had a large diameter cutoff fail spectacularly one time. Thankfully it only cut to the toe cup and sliced my jeans. They arent to be played around with.
If I were you I would think about ppe as in gloves and respirator because that wool is harsh on your lungs and skin. Just putting that out there bud.
Agreed. I'm assuming this is like Kaowool and that's a possible carcinogen for your lungs; think sorta like asbestos. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mineral_wool
@@BattleChemist Also silicosis, ohh nasty.
Agreed. You're gonna want a LOT more satanite so you can coat any exposed material.
Y'all na sayers must be from California or over the pond.
Cancer this cancer that.
Known only to the state of Ca.
Life is a death sentence...enjoy be safe but don’t freak out with this PPE just be smart and common sense...heck generations before us somehow survived without living in a safety bubble
Next one you build you might want to make the side hole the size of the pipe not the fitting. And if I were you I'd buy some 1"x3/16" flat strap and weld it to the top with a 1/2" overhang ,then weld a second piece around the bottom tank at the point where the top strap is hanging to. Both those ideas would help to keep your fire in the tank. Granted you will lose quite a bit of heat out of your top hole but more of the propane and fire will stay in the tank. Just some thoughts.
Another great video you crack me up! Can you do a video on how to melt gallium. Like on the stove or in the oven ect......
Happy to provide an informed chuckle. I recommend hot water for melting gallium, I've found it to be the easiest way.
Use a good electricians knockout punch for the holes.
I use them all the time for all sorts of projects in metal up to 10ga Mild steel.
They cut very clean very round holes that dont need to be deburred usually. And work perfectly on concave/convex surfaces.
If you use a good cordless impact gun (or air impact) and socket to drive the arbors, holes up to 2 7/8" take almost no time or effort.
Glad I saved the empty helium canister)
How many pounds of Satanite to fill that?
Any tips on top reasons to own a foundry?
Vinegar works just as well, is readily available and less toxic than HCl for removing galvanizing
you can use brake clean from auto part store it works great as a degreaser. spray on (dries in seconds ). and paint
Now that I think about it, one of these for a foundry will work great. Then I need to look for flame proof yellow paint. For the blown top 🤯 emoji on one side and 😎that one for the other seems it is mostly my son's.
Awesome 👍
Ages ago we used muriatic acid in school when designing circuit boards. Word of warning. The fumes will fckup your lungs even with ventilation. Vinegar will do the job if you dont mind waiting 4 days +- . Phosphoric acid isn't as strong as muriatic acid but it might be worth trying. They use it in soda and works great with rust.
Always wanted to try to line one with Starlight....... cornstarch glue mix.🔥😜
After watching this I'm making one, What size hole is needed on top, the chimney hole?
Will it get hot enough to melt steel? Maybe pipe in a bit of HHO to bring up the temperature?
I'm guessing I'm going to have to check out more of your videos. You are very likeable so make sure you have someone else have access to your channel. That way when you blow yourself up, someone can comment and we all aren't wondering wtf happened to cousin stumble? Doesn't he like us anymore?
LOL I'll let the wife know! Thanks for the laugh!
Mr Mental Maker err Elemental Maker, I have a question about acids/bases and zinc removal. I’m making a burner saw your video didn’t use muriatic acid but citric. I made a tub of baking soda base to rinse the parts when done. I dunked the three pieces in and as I had a lot of room left in the large base tub I poured the citric acid in it to neutralize them both but as I poured the last out the parts started bubbling again and very vigorously at that. They stopped totally in just the acid solution. I made the citric as strong as I could used hot water and added acid until it was no longer soluble. I had a big big bag of soda and split an ass load in when making my base had 1/2 cup or more sitting on the bottom of the tub. Both solution where approx 3-4 cups. When I stored the acid and base mixture to get more soda dissolved it had the opposite effect. What gives? Any theories? I think maybe after 12 most of the citric acid had fallen out of solution and was super concentrated at the bottom hence why it started up again when pouring in the last of it. But that doesn’t explain why the zinc reaction totally stopped, as the parts were on the bottom also. I bees a bits cornfuzed hep me!
Use the metal
After coating with satanite both parts with satanite leave a surplus on the edges of both.
Then pres both parts together to trim of the surface neatly
A large band saw is best to use to cut the top off, and the top should be the bottom. The handles make great legs!
How'd you rig up that propane torch? Is it just like a regular torch with a big pipe on the end?
Someone made an AR-15 lower out of brass shell casings too.👍