Knee Meniscus Tears - What to Do and Why
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- čas přidán 3. 06. 2024
- With a knee meniscus tear, the choice to treat your knee pain may seem straightforward. But should you jump into surgery for a knee meniscus tear? What does the research say? Can you heal a knee meniscus tear without surgery? We’ll dive into these questions and cover a story about knee pain out of Portugal.
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CHAPTERS
00:00 - Start
00:23 - intro
01:28 - Knee Menicus Tears and Pain
02:44 - Knee meniscus tear surgery effectiveness
05:33 - Pedro in Portugal
08:01 - Personal Knee Meniscus Tear Story
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I have meniscus tears on both knees. I had surgery on only one because it hurt so bad that I wondered if I would be able to continue walking without a cane or other assistance. After the surgery, I religiously followed the PT routine that my physical therapist taught me with both knees. Today the non-surgery knee is still the better of the two and I am convinced that the PT is mostly responsible for 'healing' my knees. As an aside my surgeon admitted that they can't actually repair a meniscus tear, they just trim the rough edges that irritate the adjacent tissues and most of my knee pain is from arthritis.
I had an inner side meniscus tear, back in 2012. I was wrapping xmas gifts while standing at a table. I turned my upper body to reach for some wrapping paper, but did not rotate my legs. I heard a LOUD POP. I did NOT feel any pain though. Within a minute, my knee was the size of a grapefruit!! I was shocked. I did the whole ice and heat thing. The swelling barely went down. After 48 hrs, the swelling dissapated, and then OMG was I in pain!!! I used a knee brace even while in bed, because any lateral movevent sent me screaming in pain!! That side to side motion was a killer! I went to an orthopedic doctor, but I refused surgery because everyone I spoke to who had knee surgery told me they felt the same or worse!
I decided to go the holistic route. I took glucosamine chondroitin supplements, MSM, turmeric as an anti inflammatory, and I used HOMEOPATHY. I used the heavy duty knee. brace and used crutches for several months, and then began doing knee strengthening exercises once my knee felt more stable. For over a year, after I could walk without crutches, my knee was very stiff. Weirdly, my knee would POP, and then I could bend my knee! But then, it would POP again, and it was stiff again! I could not bend it 90 degrees. I began using homeopathy for stiff knee and after a few weeks, the stiffness was gone! The POPPING in and out of place lessened in frequency. I could then do squats once again. 😀 I was already doing hamstring and calf stretches for years due to 4 bulging discs -- stretching my hamstrings really helped relieve lower back pain, etc.
For anyone with a torn meniscus, definitely try the suggestions in this video!! They do work! Inner meniscus side tears, I was told, are easier to heal due to the blood supply in this area. Also, please DO try homeopathy!! It does work!! You just have to find the right remedy for YOU. 10 people might have the same type of health issue, but they may each need a different homeopathic remedy. Do your research on homeopathy so you can learn how to choose the remedy YOU need for your specific issue. Homeopathy, a low glycemic diet to lower inflammation, supplements, stretches and strength training....they all help in your recovery. 👍 My knee will sometimes click and get a tiny bit stiff now and then, but it is MUCH less stiff than it used to get. Also, my knee seems to click back into place much quicker now, than before. I continue with the remedies, exercises, supplements on a reduced maintenance schedule as needed.
To the vlogger of Upright Health, THANK YOU for your great videos! ❤
Would you please make a video on the exact strengthening and stretching exercises you speak about in this video that you say help with external rotation, muscle balance around the knee, etc? I think that would help many of us.
Last 4 months back I have suffering left knee meniscus problem.
I am watching your videos and regular doing exercise. 60% feeling better now.
I went into my GP with knee pain that came after a steep hike. I can still remember the exact moment it happened. I let it go for a while because I didn't want surgery. When I finally went in my doc asked me if I wanted him to fix it then and there and I said sure. He rotated my leg from my knee down loosely and quickly. There was another pop and I was pain free. He said that my meniscus was folded not torn which is common according to him. He just retired and I'm afraid I'll never find another doctor like him!
I was moving a large, heavy object down a ramp and lost control and my right knee got bent backwards. I got a Vioxx injection and ice, wrapped it and went back to work, climbing ladders within a couple days. Doctor told me it would get worse and I'd probably need surgery. That was 23 years ago. I have no problems at all now. I wore spring shoes, which seemed to help for a while. Climbing ladders and weight training to strengthen and balance hamstrings and quadriceps.
I have a meniscus tear in my right knee, also a torn labrum in my right hip. This was caused by a severe pull on my leg from a new chiropractor. I now have a leg that swells from the hip down. Both my lower back, hip and knee hurt. No surgery for me. Have been doing different exercises and both are doing better. I now have arthritis in my back and hip and rainy days are difficult. But that said, exercise seems the way to go for me.
Thank you so much. I love your attitude. You are more highly trained than I am. But this is what I have done with myself most of my life. I do teach yoga and dance. And I keep chugging forward. And things eventually get better than they were. Personally, I stay away from doctors. Oh, and PS I watch your channel all the time.❤
I am learning so much from these videos. My goal is to avoid surgical intervention at all cost! I definitely have prior injury to both knees and the pain is in different locations for each knee. Fortunately, I have mobility and can do an Asian squat. Now I am ATM and working on strength around the knees!
Great video. Good information for those of us that have knee issues!! TFS!,💕🌴😎
I damage mine 3 back and I found your Channel and today I am pain free and can walk with no pain
I have an outer left knee meniscus tear, thought it was causing the pain, had scans, and found out I had fractured the smaller bone just below the knee joint
meniscus tear. had the scope. PT. knee still had issues; developed a baker's cyst, so swollen, could no longer walk. knee replacement on this
knee in 2016. have been in chronic pain with this knee since then. developed double meniscus tear on remaining knee (might have happened while
playing pickleball, as i remember when it "popped.") i have arthritis (76 years on this planet, female). got steroid shot as I developed a bakers cyst on
this knee and cannot really walk, and was going on a trip to Portugal. the steroid shot did not work at all for me! i have tried chiropractic, acupuncture,
PT; i am determined to keep this knee and avoid surgery. i am still looking. practice qi gong, stretch and strengthen. this has been over a year.
I’ve been doing Knees Over Toes program for my knees. Building the muscles around the knee is key.
Can you provide some links of your top knee pain videos? Thank you!
One thing that is absolutely ignored in those placebo surgeries studies is that... When you are under full anesthesia and muscle relaxants, the body stops resisting. Moving the patient around, also transfering from the operating table to the bed will "reset" a lot of joints, soft tissue... It will forcefully stretch various muscles, that would be spasmed otherwise, "floss" the nerves. Some deep back muscles incl. multifidus might finally relax after being stiff trying to change the body's posture to minimise the pain... And that alone sometimes is enough to "realign" the body back to more natural alignment, and afterwards with the help of physiotherapy finally leading to better healing.
Right...I worked as a circulator nurse in surgery with 2 orthopedic surgeons and the two I worked with said it was either their way or the highway for patients. ! No option outside of a surgical intervention. But I do not believe that they all think this way! Hopefully not!
I had a torn lateral meniscus, which did hurt a lot initially. The orthopedic surgeon who consulted on it advised AGAINST surgery. He said, we could go in and clean it up a bit, but then it would be bone on bone. It would be better, he said, to leave the remaining material in the knee, even if it was damaged. It was treated via physical therapy. I do still have to be careful to be sure the knee is in the correct position before I put weight on it, but I can do deep squats. (Note that, more recently, there have been some alternatives, such as installing a pad that acts as scaffolding through which new tissue might grow. I don't know what the current state of this work is. The company doing the work, Ivy Sports Medicine, which makes tools for knee surgery, got bought, and the web pages about the work are no longer present.)
When i tore my meniscus due to a slip and fall at work. The surgeon removed it, it was flipping my patella out. it took years to heal my knee.
I had a meniscus tear away from the bone. So thankful for the ortho I got. I got into the doctor, they were flabbergasted that I had driven myself to the appointment. He got me an MRI within a few days or a week, and referred to an ortho. The ortho walked into the room, explained that I have a discoid meniscus, and that I had a couple choices in terms of surgeries. I asked if he had ever worked on someone with Ehlers Danlos Syndrome, and my doctor hadnt even told him. He added a third option... So my options were 1 go in and cut away the part that is flopping around and not normally there. 2 go in, leave the flap and clean up the edges that showed wear and 3 PT and see if it heals on its own. His stated preference was #3 because I have EDS and he had never had an EDS patient come out of surgery and heal well. Even just the incisions are problematic with EDS patients. That PT experience was the only one that went really well. The other 2 rounds for other things didnt help, but he was consulted on my treatment plan every week and it really helped.
I love this guy ❤ he's amazing..
I’d love to see you make a video on hip flexor strains!
Love this video but can u make a video about gaining weight I have been trying to find one for a while
Okay it’s something different but I have a prosthetic ankle and of about 100 of my orthopedic surgeon’s patients with this kind of ankle prosthetic 6 of them had a tear or a crack in the prosthetic itself. 2 were complaining about pain for this newest ankle prosthetic so all of the about 100 people with this exact prosthetic were tested and examined and 4 more had that tear in the exact same spot but didn’t have any discomfort whatsoever! Only the 2 out of the 4. Exact same issue, no irritation or inflammation next to it, not in soft tissue, not in bone, nothing different.
The placebo effect is very real and the human body can sometimes achieve very, very amazing things against all odds but it is definitely not just a mind of matter kind of thing because my dad had one of the most resilient wishes to live and he fully intended to reach age 150 but at age 62 got diagnosed with ALS, which is terminal to this date and at first he simply refused to believe they diagnosed him correctly, then went on that they meant to diagnose him with the far longer lifespan expectancy of it’s lesser devastating but still terminal “brother” FLS or something like that (all that time is honestly a blur) but he’s muscles kept “dancing” (most typical trait of ALS) and atrophying and he soon lost movement and couldn’t lift his arms anymore, it just wasn’t there anymore. The man with huge strength who always broke things because he didn’t know his own strength and had the very ingrained discipline of both military and karate and fully lived by the philosophy of pushing through and overcoming something just by moving forward without anything holding you back and training and overcoming whatever, such a man Would have gone on despite ALS would it just be a matter of putting mind over matter. So I don’t know what does factor in exactly and what can be trained and in how much of a degree genetics does factor in as well (for example, he’s ALS is the hereditary kind so he might have gotten it from his father but he’s not around to test that theory). Or how much genetics will factor in for me, whenever I myself will get tested for that particular mutated gen (apparently there are more possible mutations that all result in ALS but they will only test the one your family member has), that, should I have that mutation, that my visons of life and the lifestyle I lead, will impact whether or not that mutation will “activate”.
This whole placebo effect and the same treatment (whether it’s something small or as invasive as a surgery) on several people having such a broad array of outcomes. I would love to see studies of clones that have the exact same gens, characters and even the same nurture and lets say, at age 25 they have the first difference in life and then all those clones with all the same aspects will have experienced something different in life that has the potential of altering something inside. Mind, body, who knows?? Man, I would love to know what factors in with this or that and everything. Sorry, maybe not appropriate here but it’s fascinating
Thank you for a great video. My knees are a mess but i dont want surgery.
That is great.. i would love to know exactly what exercises to do to help improve the situation..
Thank you so much for this. I have an acl tear that’s a ‘bucket handle’ tear. I really want to be able to do squats without pain. I refused surgery after it was pushed on me by several doctors until I found one that suggested pt first. I really appreciate this video and look forward to doing the lateral stretches.
I tore my meniscus in December 2018 while trying to get around a group of tourist while under scaffolding in Wall Street in NYC since i was running late from lunch. I got around them at the next openning and did a mini leap and landed on a loose cobblestone and I heard an audible pop in my left knee. I was an adult ballet dancer taking pointe classses ... surely, I thought an injury might happen there, but not this way. It quickly developed a Bakers Cyst and the Ortho doctor drained just 1/2 a syringe of fluid followed by one injection, which she told me I'd need injections every 6 months, if needed, for pain or else I should just have surgery. I declined any surgery suggestions because I believe the body can heal itself. In just 3 weeks (doing stretches) I was back on pointe but noticed a slight decline in range of motion when doing my arabesque. I will utilize your suggestions to strengthen the knee. Thank you for confirming my thoughts about no need for surgery. It's been 6 years.😊
Thanks
Huge thanks!
So interesting, do you think sometime you could do a vid on hip labral tears? Thanks 🙏✌💜
I had extreme pain in my right knee and walking felt like my knee was going to go off the rails. So I went to an orthopedic surgeon who gave me an MRI and then told me that I had torn My meniscus and needed surgery to shave the tear so that it wouldn't get caught in the joint and he said that it would never heal so the surgery was necessary. I told him that I wasn't going to schedule my surgery at that time. It was 2010. He changed from friendly to angry and predicted that I would be wheelchair-bound within 5 years !!!
I never had the surgery. I used a knee brace when taking my daily walks. The pain slowly subsided. I did a lot of hot towel therapy.
I met a man who said that I was wise to avoid it because knee surgery leads to whole knee replacement ten years down the road.
My only problem now is knee crepitus, which means that my right knee can creak with no pain. I am doing 20 squats daily to remedy this. Any advice ?
I had a meniscus tear in my left knee in my twenties. It was while I was at work in a plant nursery in late fall. It turned into a work comp claim and I had surgery and was off work for several weeks. My knee pain was terrible after the surgery and when I brought a chair to work from home to sit in because there was nothing at work to sit on (I was alone all day and cutting Christmas trees for customers) my employer fired me a week before the holiday. Merry Christmas to the single mom with a completely f’d up knee.
It must be pretty hard, how did you manage it?
It's not an overnight fix but I stuck to my guns and wouldn't give in to surgery suggestions ( I had seen Matts videos) at one point even considering disability. The pain was so bad at one point had two ste🫤id injections. Don't do that!
Then I found Matt 🎉 (years ago) and although sometimes I still get a "little lock" My knocking knees are🎉 fantastic 👍
Thank you for this video. I have been knee pain for while and thought it was a ligament injury. Then back in Sep/Oct, I really injured it by putting on too much resistance on the bike in a class. I was in agony and couldn't put any weight on my left leg ir walk properly. I was told by my physio it was a meniscal tear and would take months to heal. It has got so much better with me resting it but I really want to get back to my gym routine again. I am terrified of injuring mh knee again though. I was thinkimg of having an MRI scan done but after watching this video, I may have changed my mind. Have ypu done a video on recommended exercises for meniscal injuries? It would be really appreciated and helpful. Thank you for this video.
Sep 2015 I got the loud pop and instant collapse in one knee while walking in a place where I routinely walked. MRI confirmed a "small" (4mm) radial posterior medial meniscus tear. Ortho of course recommended surgery. I deferred pending research, where I discovered two separate studies of sham vs real surgeries, both with PT. No difference in outcomes. So I declined surgery and did only PT. No problems since, though I do find that knee feels a little different - subtly different alignment with the tibia.
Can you do a video on labrum tears?
This is interesting. Are you coming out with or already have a knee pain program? It would be fantastic if you did, my knee is killing me and I don't know how to fix it.
I was told nothing!! So I did exercise and lost weight! Now they say I need knee surgery! No way. 😊
I agree with the video. I tore my knee meniscus in a running race - this was proven by mri scan. For about 12 months I had real difficulties just walking. Doctor said though after surgery about a third of patients got better, a third were the same and a third actually got worse plus surgery no real cure and it might bring on arthritis quicker later on. But op. was up to me. So instead i went on plan at least of trying to build up muscles and stretching. Knee still not perfect as very light discomfort sometimes but seems not linked to volume of walking but after 2 years I feel much better and wondering whether to try light running. Also I wonder if I already had tear before because when I hurt myself in the race it was short and I had gone back to running after a long absence from training but had marathons previously. Also got new diagnosis😮 with gout during gap from running but it never knowingly went to knee but you wonder if mild attack could cause a tear if you also ran? My doctor never showed much interest that theory.
Thanks for sharing this story!
What about a bucket handle meniscus tear? It is flipped over. It has been 4 1/2 weeks and is still swollen.
PLEASE HELP ME figure out how can I help my knee pain. I did yard work and spend long time on my knees , at first back of my high thighs were hurting badly and then the left knee pain started. It hurts on the right side of the knee , kind of next to the knee cap. It hurts like a nerve when I bend it or rotate my leg left or right. I have not heard or felt any pop sound . Is there a way I can fix this on my own ? 🙏😊
Have had a complex tear in my inner left meniscus (behind) for more 20 years, can't run slowly more than 20 seconds because of the pain behind the knee. Did not have the surgery because that would mean removing the full meniscus. So I cannot run.